you will not regret it. not a lot of pictures. and the type is super small. 700 pages. >> sandra: i'm surprised you read it, then! [laughs] >> bill: it's a great read. >> sandra: and we just kicked off the new week. thank you for joining us. "outnumbered" starts now. ♪ >> melissa: the next round kicking off in this showdown over president trump's border wall at the white house and lawmakers from both parties begin talks to try and reach a spending bill amid the temporary truce allowing the government to reopen for three weeks. this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here today's harris faulkner. fox news analyst and cohost of "benson & harf" on fox news radio, marie harf. post of kennedy on the fox business network, kennedy. and joining some accounts, vendor and the public and strangest in chairman of gopac, david abella. he is "outnumbered." >> david: happy national for

network day! also, it coincides with happy national kazoo day. >> melissa: wow. [laughter] >> harris: a lot of info right out of the gate. >> kennedy: go into greatness! >> melissa: did you bring some customer you can't just say that a not have a kazoo. >> harris: kennedy can make every noise. >> kennedy: [kazoo noises] speech he well played. now down to work. lawmakers facing a february 15th deadline keeping the government up and running. president trump telling "the wall street journal" that he thinks the possibility of a deal is still less than 50/50. and that another shutdown is an option. the white house again suggesting the president is ready to declare a national emergency to get wall funding if lawmakers refuse to act, but g.o.p. senator marco rubio warning against such a move. >> we have been hoping for months to do it through legislation with democrats, because that's the right way for the government to function. but the end of the day, the president's commitment is to

defend the nation and he will do it either with or without congress. >> is not a good precedent to set in terms of action. it doesn't mean i don't want border security. i do, i just don't think it's the right way to achieve it. it doesn't provide certainty and you can very well wind up in a theatric victory at the front end. >> melissa: and a new nbc "wall street journal" poll finds 50% blame the president for the partial shutdown, while 37% blame congressional democrats. 10% think "my goodness, let's blame everybody." in the meantime, moderate democrat policeman mcadams calling for borski. >> there's a conversation, a debate about wall or no wall. let's step back from that conversation where it's divisive, let's talk about what we have in common. let's find that thread of commonality amongst republicans and democrats. i think the thread of commonality is that we all want to protect the border. we can find common ground on that. >> melissa: david, let's start with the idea of another

shutdown or even calling a national emergency. the other shutdown did not go well. it doesn't seem like a good idea for the president to do either of those things at first glance. what do you think? >> david: as long as the government is open, there is more pressure on nancy pelosi to deliver something than there is on the president. let's keep in mind, if this were a democratic administration, this kind of spending would be called "economic stimulus" and nancy pelosi would be the hr director trying to get more government jobs created by more government spending. let's also keep in mind that this is a much deeper discussion about immigration. ten years ago, when the state of arizona wanted to do policies and stronger than ice, you had the democrats -- the obama administration -- saying "no, ice is standard. anybody should do but ice does." ten years later, you have state governments -- california, washington -- that are trying to undermine ice to the point of saying, "you can't put ice facilities in our community."

and now the discussion changes to what suits the democrats best politically. not what they have supported in the past. not policies they've been for in the past. now it's about what we can do to make trump look bad. >> melissa: kennedy, these government dell micro humans have it worked, though. you can agree with everything david has said and still look at what happens and say that there is no way to paint this except that it was a trellis loss for the president. and you can't convince democrats at this point to move. it seems, i don't know. >> kennedy: i don't know that there are too many shutdowns when you look back and say with great relief, "man, that was really worth it." [laughter] this one in particular. you're standing here come everyone is exhausted. the workers who didn't have paychecks, they are still reeling and have a little bit of this professional ptsd. and you look a few weeks down the road, and you think, "wow, we are going to repeat this whole exercise? "for what? i think you're right, the traditional arguments don't work. the traditional politicization doesn't work. but if they really put on

earmuffs and blenders and just focus on the advice that he's got in congress right now, and get away from the exterior a little bit just have a conversation. with some of those democrat lawmakers, in border seeds and elsewhere, who understand the need for security. you don't have to call it a wal wall. i think there can be a point, a very sweet spot, were republicans and democrats get together on that check list of things both agree with. i know it feels like we are on two different tribes -- except for those of us who are independent on not on the right or left track -- but there is something that can be done, and you can keep the government open, and you can keep the economy flourishing. we just need those rational voices to come together. >> harris: this is what mercedes schlapp said about that very issue. let's listen. >> looked, i think there is definite with pressure from the rank-and-file democrats. they placed pressure on the democratic leadership, because they were wanting to make sure

we were able to reopen the government and then negotiate with the president. this is an opportunity to bring the democrats to the table. they refused to negotiate. now that we are back on, we are able to reopen the government for the next few weeks. this is going to put pressure on these to get a good negotiation done. >> marie: i agree with what kennedy said. there's a sweet spot. it looks like $5 billion for border security including new barriers, that experts agree need to be done in certain places. whether that is cities, particularly in more urban areas. in exchange for a permanent fix to dock. i think there are some things that could make sense, and both sides would agree to. >> melissa: right. be five here's the challenge -- the present seems to be on the little bit of an island. you have senate republicans who are the ones who finally pushed him last week, when six of them voted for the democratic bill and they said, "look, we can't continue this. we want to move past this." they are not going to support and other government shutdown or

national emergency, if you heard marco rubio say that. if president trump listens to mitch mcconnell and the folks on the hill who say "this is the kind of compromise you can get," it doesn't give it to the stephen miller's of the world who like to put poison pills into these pieces of legislation. huge cuts to legal asylum. you don't and you do that now. that will cause any compromise to fall apart. if you stay focused and actually listen to republicans on the hill, i think democrats feel like they're coming to the negotiating table right now from the position of strength. and i could be good from compromise. >> harris: i see a lot of things that have happened for the president didn't lose the base the way the democrats that he would. yes, his disapproval numbers are up. high. however, when you look at the core support for him, that mid-to-upper 30s percentage for approval, it's still about the same size as his base. so what does that tell you? he still has the men he still has them believing that he can get something done. why is it that today i'm not

seeing democrats saying, "you know what? you have reopen government. we are going to do will be severe going to do." and said i'm seeing a lot of rhetoric in the direction of "still don't want a wall." but can we get to the point where democrats are keeping their promises now to this president, and sitting down and coming to some sort of agreement? nancy pelosi with a wall that works in their state, 100 of miles -- will hurd of texas, who understands -- a republican -- who understands how the board of all works. getting this people to come together on the 600 plus miles at a body been built. >> marie: i think they are, in this do it committee. i think this is the form to start hashing some of this out. the president has kept his base so far, but a lot of that depends. you hear from voters out there, on what he eventually gets in three weeks. speed when you hear those voices that were cacophonous outside the circle. >> marie: it's the republicans in congress were not part of that base who are very fed up with how they handled this, i think. >> david: until nancy pelosi decides to move, nothing

happens. the senate can agree on something, thousand senate democrats -- >> harris: from the far left? >> david: from the far left, none. they wanted even more radical proposals than what she has offered. where it's going to have to come from is moderate democrats in the house who sit in districts like in oklahoma and in texas and ohio, virginia, that are going to face voters here at the end of the year and they put pressure. >> harris: they have to stop saying that they one. nancy pelosi has one some of them. >> kennedy: because we are not done for this not a victory. >> harris: that's not what this is about. it's about border security and the american people. that's what i thought. >> kennedy: i just have a very quick question, because when you argue that more moderate democrats helped the democrat party secure the victory in the house of representatives? >> harris: absolutely. >> kennedy: where are those voices? they are critical because the -- is easy to make a caricature of the democratic party, especially as nancy pelosi involved in the house. but not everything a person

elected your caucus is aoc. >> david: they have lower approval ratings now than the president does. >> melissa: that doesn't matter. >> david: it does matter, melissa. >> melissa: why does it matter if she's not up for election again? >> david: because at some point moderate democrats say, "look, why are we following this unpopular speaker of the house? we need to get a policy done." >> marie: she's the first politician to go against the president and any real way. >> david: he loved playing the political angle. >> marie: it's not playing an angle, david. >> david: what we hear from the left is, "oh look, we made the president look bad! he took a los!" this is about securing a border. >> melissa: that's not what murray said, but we have heard that from others. democratic senator kamala harris officially kicks off a run for the white house at a big hometown rally. her big attacks on the president as she outlines her liberal agenda amid criticism from some progressives. and how she stacks up in the growing primary field. plus, longtime trump associate

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committee, adam schiff, and the committee upon stress top republican, devin nunes, sparred over the stone case on the sunday shows. >> he is presumed innocent, but these are very specific allegations of lies and witness intimidation. they are matters that will be easily provable. these are not ambiguous statements. they are very detailed, and i think he's going to need a better defense than the one you much don't i just heard. >> roger soto's comment on political. he's one of these flamboyant guys that runs around and scatter press guy. i think the mueller investigation is really the bottom of the burial when it comes to people like this. >> harris: meanwhile, any bc news "washington post" poll shows a lot of skepticism of the mueller investigation. it finds half of americans say they have some confidence or not at all that the report will be fair and evenhanded. why do think that is, david? >> david: you hear one thing, and two days later, it wasn't as

bad as we follow the media. the media coverage has driven much of this. this continues to be a cat chasing his tail that hasn't caught. we don't have one concrete piece of evidence that there was collusion between the term campaign and the russians. we didn't have flat and imprudent sending ads over to the campaign and saying, "hey, here's a good attack against hillary clinton." we don't have the time campaign sending things over to the russians telling them where to place will facebook ads. we have allegations that they have told lies to the government and they will be tried for that. if he did commit the crimes, the need to do the time. >> harris: because some of them are serious crimes. >> david: but we haven't yet seen collusion proven. >> harris: marie, are we seeing what we would call the military a "mission drift?" a mission creep from that original? how important is it that we are drifting away? >> marie: i'm not sure we are. the mueller investigation had to think he was looking at -- whether there was anyone who colluded in russia's attempt to interfere in our election, and

the obstruction of justice question about when jim comey was fired. both of those things seem on track. they are looking at issues on both. to david's point, what roger stone lied about -- the substance -- he lied about the fact that he was communicating with wikileaks, which mike pompeo has said is a hostel for an intelligent aligned with russia, to release hillary clinton's stolen emails. i don't know who in the term campaign knew that. i don't know if donald trump knew. but in this indictment, the substance of what he lied about actually matters here. yesterday on george stephanopoulos' show we played that clip. roger stone went on to say, "well, if i said anything that wasn't true, it's just because i didn't remember it." where there are hundreds of text messages and emails that are totally at odds with what he said about working with wikileaks. >> david: one piece of evidence has come out that suggests that any actions that have occurred because taylor clinton the election. her approval rating was the same in january of 2016 as it was in

november of 2016. >> marie: david, you're moving the goal post. >> harris: i see a large thought bubble over kennedy's head. >> kennedy: always. for some reason, both campaigns dove into the gutter that is russia. but somehow there was only accountability for one of the campaigns, because it was the victorious one. i think this whole thing is a big warning sign for anyone who is running for president -- beware of who you put on your team. beware of their past, and be aware of how that might come back to haunt your future. i look at what roger stone might have done, who he might have talked to, and he is like -- you know, if you think the president needs to be a surgeon and he needs to be focused and he needs to have some expertise, i give you that, but roger stone is the guy in the operating room juggling scalpels. which is entertaining, but is not necessarily going to keep the patient alive. >> david: [laughs] >> harris: tell us what you said about if he did or said anything that wasn't right, that

it might have been immaterial. i believe his attorneys have already argued now, "under stress of the campaign." but here's roger stone himself earlier today. let's watch. >> mr. comey, mr. brennan, mr. mr. mccabe, general clapper, hillary clinton. they all lied under oath regarding material matters of great consequence. i am falsely accused of lying under congress, which i did not do. when are they being prosecuted? where is the equal application of the law? >> harris: and that touches what you were saying, kennedy. i do want to get the conversation because there was a reporter who put this out in his twitter feed, speaking outside florida home stone says he's no intention of cutting a deal with miller. this would see dell might be the same melee of reporters he saw. the reporter says, "are you willing to cut a deal with mueller?"

and he says "i have no intention of answering hypothetical questions. i have no intention of doing so, however." >> i don't think we have any idea of what he's going to do. i don't think he knows what he's going to do. i think what this does is there's a group of people on the left were convinced that the president new things, and did a lot of terrible things that should be impeached. there's a bunch of people on the right, as this continues, who think that democrats will stop at nothing to try and get this president out of office. as joy behar said so well on "the view." be when she was transparent about that. >> melissa: that should get both camps excited, but it reminds those on the far right that it makes them stand behind the president because they feel like the people on the left are out to get them at all costs. >> harris: do you have a few last words? >> david: well said. [laughs] >> harris: be sure to catch "hannity" last line. he will talk about his court appearance, 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on fox news channel.

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>> harris: breaking news, we will hear from the white house

today in a first briefing of 2019. 3:00 p.m. eastern. not only the first one of the year, it also the last one was december 18th. so it has been more than a month and there has been some pressure put on by the white house press corps. now that it would ever be done because they say so. but there has been some questions about whether-been one already. you have the shutdown, the state of the union address that had been rescheduled. no doubt those issues will come up or you had some movement in the talks with china. in the terrorist situation there. the state to permit also talking a second summit now being under works with north korea. there's a lot to get to today. that press team, the press briefing schedule at 3:00 p.m. inside the white house press briefing room. we will bring to life when that happens later today. >> with faith in god, with fidelity to country, and with the fighting spirit i got from my mother.

[cheers and applause] i stand before you today to announce my candidacy for president of the united states. [cheers and applause] >> melissa: that is california senator kamala harris touting a liberal agenda as she officially kicks off her 2020 campaign for the white house, and an announcement sunday in her hometown of oakland, california before a crowd of 20,000. harris, presenting herself as a leader who can best unite america in slimming president trump on the list of issues that using his name. ripping trumps border wall, and claiming foreign powers are infecting the white house. her platform also promises medicare for all, and it free college. however, will she be -- others cast or campaign as less

defined than those of other candidates, such as elizabeth warren's platform on economic populism. kirsten gillibrand's focus on women's issues, or sherrod brown's message of dignity of work and julian castro's youth push. i will start with murray. do you think that among those candidates she is the one with the best chance? >> marie: as of right now, absolutely. at least judging from how they announced. that event over the weekend was a big event. 20,000 enthusiastic democrats, just judging from my friends that have worked on hitler's campaign, obama's campaign, with me. other campaigns. she is the candidate that people are most excited about her most enthusiastic about. >> harris: why? >> marie: i think she has a strong message, but she's not limiting it like you said and some of those other candidates. elizabeth warren is not a broad based popular candidate in the democratic party. neither is sherrod brown. we will see if he can be.

neither is julian castro or kirsten gillibrand. kamala harris has law enforcement background. she's been a senator. she is worked on criminal justice reform. she brings, i think, to allow democrats what they see as someone who looks like she can stand on stage and go toe-to-toe with president trump. that's intangible, but i will say that just from people i've talked to so far she has run the best rule out of her campaign. >> harris: is it a missed opportunity -- and maybe she talked about this and i didn't see were to begin, but previously hadn't seen it -- that she doesn't jump in to the current conversation? because it does sit in the hand of the senate needing 60 votes is democrats about board protection and the border barrier. because if i'm not mistaken, doesn't her state has some of that slat system? >> david: it does. let's keep in mind, though, and all of this democratic nominations, the party that gave us hillary clinton could equal in 2020 give us something or someone who is also outside the mainstream. >> harris: i want to see where she stands on it. >> david: unlikable.

let's keep in mind why kamala harris is a potential front runner. because california is moving up its primary. they will be much earlier in the process. it's her home state. what do americans like more, even democrats, like more than anything? winners. if you can win that california primary and tied it with a new hampshire or iowa, then her campaign gets left off. because the reality is, as much as we talk right now, most voters -- even democratic primary voters -- don't have high name i.d. none of them except for joe biden. that's because he has already run three times for president and he was vice president of the united states. >> harris: interesting to hear you mention south carolina. would it be interesting, kennedy, if democrats could run without one of those traditionally black majority states? i hear south carolina and the comes into play, and it comes into play because of that category of voters usually having that change? >> marie: is also an early primary. >> kennedy: there are a lot of black v-8 don't like what is resin it with kamala harris or she resonates with them.

>> harris: none of the issues that david brought up -- >> kennedy: there are things about her. one is that she's harder to turn away from. joe biden, has a lot of gaps. maybe he's too old. elizabeth warren, "the dna test and the awkward beer drinking. it's not going to work." and with beto, "he just babbled on about nothing and doesn't have a vision." kamala harris is the only one so far they keep turning back to. she has a horrible record on criminal justice in the state of california, she let people who are clearly innocent lindgren president. many of them are still there she fought against the death penalty being ruled -- >> harris: she said she fell behind the scenes for that not to have it. >> kennedy: she can say whatever she wants. the progressives take great issue. that's why #kamalaisacop is

trending. she's a law and order hard-core -- she's not a progressive. >> harris: marie, i saw the eye contact. we'll get even the second parade >> marie: i'm cool. >> harris: to further that can help me, it's giving democrats love heartburn. for the reasons that kennedy just listed. howard schultz, the former ceo of starbucks, has told "60 minutes" he is considering an independent run for the white house. watch this. >> i look at both parties. we see extremes on both sides what we are sitting today with trillions of dollars of debt, which is a reckless example not only of republicans but of democrats as well. as a reckless failure of their constitutional responsibility. >> harris: some democrats are saying a run by the billionaire schultz, a lifetime democrat, will also all but give president of a second term. after all, independent or third-party bids have not been

successful in presidential politics, and they are often seen as spoilers for one party or the other. ross perot, ralph nader, amongst the most infamous examples. any democrats still steaming over jill stein's 2016 bid. the democratic party in washington state where schultz's former coffee empire is based treated a photo of a starbucks cup with the words on it, "don't do it, howard!" 202020 democratic hopeful julian castro voicing the fears of some in his party, here. >> obviously, if he runs, it's going to make an impression on the race. but i do share that concern. i have a concern that if you did run, essentially it would provide donald trump with his best hope of getting reelected. so his only hope, if things stay the same -- and that's a big "if" -- is essentially to get somebody else, a third party, to siphon off those votes. i don't think that's in the best interest of our country. we need new leadership.

i would suggest to mr. schultz to truly think about the negative impact that that might make. >> harris: and that's a democrat. president trump also got his digs in. "howard schultz doesn't have the guts to run for president. watched in on "60 minutes" last night, and i agree with him that he's not "the smartest person." besides, america already has that. and i only hope that starbucks is still paying their rent in trump tower!" pay me their rent! [laughter] melissa? >> melissa: i see this different from everybody else i've heard so far. because a lot of what he talks about with the idea that it's a two party system not working. i think it's a little bit of the same thing the president said before. it is an antitrust message. after you watch this chart on a deep said, "look at all these people, they got together and fought!" and in the end, they didn't help anybody. they didn't help the daca

recipients, there is no wall, the federal workers didn't work -- it was politics as usual. >> harris: they didn't even have themselves. >> melissa: nothing. in the end you do have people like nancy pelosi declaring victory, and you say, for what? you guys just proved that it's broken. and somebody like howard scholz is saying, "i don't want to be part of the two party system. i'm independent. yes, it would siphon off some of the democrats, but that also hints at that trump narrative of there is a swamp and it stinks. >> harris: but even president trump aligns himself with one of the two parties. right? so why doesn't that third party ever really work out? >> it's a great question. part of it is you need an infrastructure and a party operation to help with your grassroots efforts. right now, howard scholz is the tim tebow with major league baseball and that he was successful in one sport. can he be successful elsewhere? he has been a successful businessman. can you convert that to being a good politician?

>> harris: do you think he can? >> david: that's to be seen. first he has to get on the ballot in all 50 states. to prove he's a legitimate candidate. i will contend you that democrat secretaries of state will be far more scrupulous on the signatures that howard schultz turns in then republican secretary to keep them off the ballot in their state. >> kennedy: you just outlined why we haven't two party system. it's a struggle, it's a cartel, and they work together in order to keep this malfunctioning duopoly. i like howard schultz. he does not have a good reputation in seattle. he does not necessarily treat people that great. but i say "run, howard, run! bring all your friends!" if he really wants a shake of the system, he has to get away from the two-party nonsense. because this shutdown has shown, as most of just laid out, it's getting a septal in a way. >> harris: real quick -- >> marie: the only way a third-party candidate will win some days if they are credibly charismatic, independently, they have their own power base.

i would vote for that. but the interview, he was like the most boring man of ever seen on television. that's not going to win without an infrastructure. >> harris: i know people are going to jump all out for that. >> marie: i would take free coffee come actually paid >> harris: here's what we look for a covert lie would have it sprayed the first white house briefing 2019. terry sanders, press secretary, scheduled to take reported questions at 3:00 p.m. eastern. we will bring you the white house press briefing alive when it happens. also, house democrats have been valuing to put the pedal to the metal. pursuing investigations of president trump and his business. will they do a customer for show the support for doing that. much less when it comes to impeachment. so, do democrats risk overreaching? jump the shark? we will talk about it. ♪ >> i think the american people want to see checks and balances. we are a separate and equal branch of government. we don't work for good

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♪ >> marie: house democrats ramping up their investigations of president trump now that they hold the majority. and their list of targets is a long one. while new polling may embolden democrats and their probes, it also shows the need to be careful. an "abc news" "washington post" poll finding 60% of americans support obtaining and releasing the president's tax returns, and majorities also favor investigating russian collusion. the president's relationship with vladimir putin in any financial ties to foreign government. but, a plurality of 46% believe the investigations will "go too far," while third say democrats will's and of them properly. only 40% or favorite of impeachment, down 9.6 august. here's hakeem jeffries on that issue. >> is certainly not appropriate

now. we have a responsibility pursuant to article one to check and balance on an out of control to bridge. we take that response billy seriously. however, were not going to over investigate or over politicize. but i'm going to overreach as it relates to that solemn constitutional responsibility. what we are going to do is make sure we focus on the issues of importance to the american people. >> marie: david, let's start with the i word that allowed democrats what to say. that's impeachment. i think for a lot of democrats in the house and the senate, harris left. >> harris: i don't know where you're going there. >> marie: they will say things like, "we have to wait." many of them import. they are pretty far ahead, but most of the nursing that's what are merely peer that's where i think the caucuses right now. >> david: the bigger impact in all this that we've been discussing is the fact that he says he won't support anybody's not for impeachment. it matters if you are in a congressional race trying to get support for the u.s. house. as an impact long term for us.

it keeps in mind on the front burner this impeachment. and the desire by democrats, and it underscores what wasn't talked about often during the democratic primaries last year during the congressional races. that democratic candidates talked about impeachment. that's how they won democratic primaries. each team that with medicare for all, those were the top two issues the democratic candidates talked about. that's going to have an impact on the 2020 presidential race. it's going to have an impact on the congressional races. it has an impact on the securing of the portable. yes, this message of impeachment to that he is pushing and forcing democrats to be beholden to has a huge impact. >> marie: i think you are mostly exaggerating his affection of the party. as candy mentioned earlier, harris, moderate democrats when the house back and they didn't talk about impeachment. >> harris: i don't know they would put hakeem jeffries in that category. i interviewed him on the network around election day. i was really surprised when he called the president the name he

called him, a grand wizard. i think when you are in the top five leadership in the house -- and i believe he is position number three -- not only is that a distraction and potentially damaging for your message, but he is going to carry the message of being moderate. of carrying out these investigations evenhandedly, so on and so forth. it frustrates the believability of the credibility of the person to be that. that's not personal. that is a man who sat and then unapologetically called the president the kkk grand wizard. that's your leadership in the house. >> marie: that doesn't necessarily have to do the investigation. >> harris: it does! he is speaking on where you're going to go. and we know what he really thinks about the person -- >> kennedy: i think harris is right. he's relaying the tone, certainly. >> harris: the tone, that's a better way of putting it. >> kennedy: that's when people are frustrated. yes, you have to keep the executive branch in check. no matter who is the president. that's really important.

leadership has to sit down and say, "what are the most important things we have to investigate? one of the most egregious things?" and not everything. when you only embrace that, you lose sight of being the party of ideas. >> kennedy: we will see. the >> marie: a lot of investigation will be following. president trump going overseas, promising to withdraw u.s. troops from afghanistan and new signs that he may be able to deliver on a possible breakthrough in the peace process that has some hopefuls over to end this longest work. the debate up next. ♪ alright, i brought in ensure max protein... to give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you don't. (straining) i'll take that. (cheers) 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar. ensure max protein. in two great flavors. wenit gave me a leafput in the names almost right away. first. within a few days, i went from knowing almost nothing to holy crow,

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♪ >> kennedy: with president trump pushing to withdraw troops from syria and afghanistan, there is significant progress in peace talks to end america's longest war. u.s. and tele- benefit is reportedly agreeing on principle to the framework of a peace deal, in which insurgents vowed to keep afghan avoided to being used as a stage ground for terrorism. they say the deal could lead to a full withdrawal of u.s. troops, but only if taliban officials agree to a lasting cease-fire and enter peace talks with the afghan government. something the taliban has so far refused to do. the u.s. envoy returned to

afghanistan after six days of talks with the caliban the retired government generale says it's right to take a deal. >> hotel van over the last two to three years are given everything they had to bring this regime down. we are still mated. they were not able to do it. nor can the afghan regime defeat the taliban, even with the u.s. minimal assistance we are providing. we are stalemated. the taliban now are willing to talk. momentum for the first time is really on the side of the peace talks. >> kennedy: just now, president trump's new acting defense secretary called peace talks with the taliban encouraging because he is not been ordered to pull all u.s. troops out of afghanistan. david, is this a break in that long-running stalemate that jack keane was talking about? >> david: it's seems to be. that secretary of state pompeo pointed out in july, the taliban is eventually going to realize they are not going to out fight

us and they are not going to outlast us. we are in this for the long haul, the taliban now seems to be acknowledging that and encouraging. >> kennedy: how much longer it's going to be customer gives already been a long haul. >> melissa: absolutely. the obvious question is, can we trust anything about the taliban agrees to? i'm sure the other side would say the same thing. i don't know but i would defer to jack keane and i would ask mary. >> marie: i think this is a promising sign. we have to remove her the reason we went to afghanistan. it wasn't to create a flourishing democracy were to build women's schools or roads. those are all important things that tied into the mission. the mission was to prevent al qaeda or affiliate groups from attacking the u.s. basically got rid of al qaeda in afghanistan. we have intelligence resources that can be put -- continued to that fight in afghanistan, pakistan, iraq, syria, whatever else al qaeda may go after this. but the group that attacked on 9/11 no longer has a foothold there. if there is a way --

>> kennedy: would you argue they have morphed into a different kind of group, like, i don't know -- >> marie: absolutely. having tens of thousands of u.s. troops on the ground in afghanistan fighting what is a stalemated war is not the way to fight al qaeda in 2019. it's bringing our troops home, and putting intelligence resources to it. the fact that kids today board after 9/11 can fight in afghanistan -- that's how long we've been there. the reason -- it's mind-boggling -- the reason we went there was limited. we achieved that success. it has morphed over the years, and people kept keeping troops there. it's time to bring that home, if we can get an agreement like we are talking about with this framework. i'm cautiously optimistic about it. >> kennedy: it definitely is a move of the right direction. but this is why people who are anti-interventionist, they look afghanistan -- >> marie: absolutely. >> kennedy: it's so easy for an american incursion to turn into this. absolute. >> david: it is.

hence during the campaign on president trump that he was not going to have the type of foreign policy, that he was going to look to get out of areas that we can get out of and still keep america safe. this is an example of that. and, not being talked about too much, but the fact that now we have nato allies that are now putting more money in after president trump got on them that they all needed to start paying their fair share, another success. just the foreign policy accomplishments continue to get added up. >> melissa: but how do you keep it from being a rock or one of these other places where you see terror creep back in and make it a staging ground? how did you do? >> kennedy: especially the geography come it's so vastly different that it is -- >> marie: the bigger child has always been pakistan. that's where they fled, that's where most of the threat comes from. it's actually not of guinness and prekeep intelligence resources focus there. if you see a threat arriving, send in special forces were unmanned drones. i know can be hates when i say that, but there are ways without u.s. boots on the ground to keep an eye on the threat.

>> kennedy: with got an eye on you, baby. [laughter] morris b25 a just a moment. please, keep it right here! we are going to be back in a moment. ♪ i'd like to take a moment to address my fellow veterans, because i know so many of you have served our country honorably. one of the benefits that we as a country give you as a veteran is the eligibility for a va loan for up to 100% of your home's value. if you need cash for your family, call newday usa. with automatic authority from the va, we can say yes when banks say no. give us a call. call now: 1-855-376-1361.

>> melissa: thanks to david avila. i wanted to ask you for your final thought, but we haven't played our kazoos. [laughter]

[kazoo noises] speech either go. pretty good, actually. it was a good day on the couch we are back here at noon eastern tomorrow. for now, here's harris. >> harris: we are awaiting a press briefing at the white house, as the president appears pessimistic about a deal to end the standoff over border security. this is "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. for a vote of workers back at work today, as president trump threatening another shutdown if he doesn't get his border wall. that's what's being reported. an interview with "the wall street journal," the president said he thinks it's unlikely congress can reach a deal in the next three weeks, putting the odds at less than 50/50. and that he is doubtful he will accept anything less then the $5.7 billion he wants. meanwhile, while a tough dumb i put top house or public insurers the president's pessimism, a key democrat in the senate appears