went by like it was nothing! if it like 3 minutes. you're headed to the super bowl. have fun! >> bill: rams, pats, here we go. enjoy the game as they warm outside. >> julie: "outnumbered" starts now. thanks for joining us. >> harris: a lot going on the server. we will begin with a fox news alert. if your new back and forth between president trump and the democratic leader of the house. through the 24 hours after the first meaning of that bipartisan committee of lawmakers working to reach a deal on border security, and now we are awaiting new remarks from the president of the united states that would likely come inside this hour. we will bring it to as it happens. this is to is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, cohost of "fox & friends," jillian mele is here. fox news contributor morgan ortagus. fox news contributor jessica tarlov. and in the center seat, former arkansas governor and fox news contributor, mike huckabee. great to see you. this >> governor huckabee: thank you very much, i was going to wear spiked heels, too. but i decided not to.

[laughter] it's too cold out. >> harris: those are fabulous! >> governor huckabee: these are my own version. ostrich. >> morgan: the governor had to endure a lot of girl talk from jillian and i. [laughter] to be when you've made it. shall we do the news? >> governor huckabee: it's okay, i will tweet out everything i heard. [laughter] you have no idea. >> harris: president trump is expressing doubt that lawmakers can reach a deal. democrats and republicans remain divided over the need for a wall or barrier at our nation's southern border. the president tweeted this -- "republicans in the homeland security committee are wasting their time. democrats, despite all the evidence, proof, and caravans coming are not going to give money to build the desperately hyphenated wall. i've got you covered. while it is already being built. i don't expect much help!" house speaker nancy pelosi reacted just within the last 60 minutes or so. let's watch. >> there's not going to be any wall money in the legislations. what did he say today? it doesn't matter what congress

does? i knew that he wanted it all tossed out. really? a president who wants to have congress be completely irrelevant in how we meet the needs of the american people? no, come on. >> harris: meanwhile, members of the bipartisan committee still appeared to be far apart on the need for a board or. watch. >> smart border security is not overly reliant on physical barriers. >> our border patrol tells us that they need physical barriers to help them do their job. >> harris: all of this, as mexico is confirming it is ending the fast track visa program for migrants traveling from central america. nearly 13,000 migrants have apply for visas in mexico since january 16th. governor huckabee, are we getting closer or farther away from seeing the president to get what he promised? >> governor huckabee: i don't think we know yet. i don't think we will until closer to the deadline, because

the sides are playing this politically rather than administratively. they are not really working toward a solution, they are working toward a win. that's unfortunate. everybody understands, you're not going to put a wall over the entire 2,000 miles. the president doesn't even think that. but you do need physical barriers and some places, some places electronic in some place. everybody says they understand that. but they are dug in against this idea that they would be any physical barrier. if that's true, tear down the 600 miles we have and prove that it doesn't matter at all. they're not going to do that. that's hypocrisy, to say the 60e more mile than that. i just don't know how they come out of that looking like anything other than obstructionist. >> morgan: the polling still says -- >> governor huckabee: it's not about polling. >> jessica: but it does matter when he don't want people come out to vote. we know that the wall and being against the wall were two motivating factors when people voted in the midterms in 2016.

so it does actually matter. >> governor huckabee: can enter up to question her gums are to do that. >> jessica: you are our guest. >> governor huckabee: the polling stuff bothers the heck out of me as somebody who ran for and held office. he run for office to solve problems, not to get reelected. i'm tired of these people who are so poll-conscious then rather than solve a problem they're looking at the polls to try and bring the political capital. b5 polls take the temperature of how the people who you are serving field. so what happens when things go through congress as their representative from very different places across the country, some live in border states, some don't. their constituents are very different feelings about the effectiveness and the need for a portable. what is going to say, which is more conciliatory than you suspect, [laughter] is when you go back to the language that steny hoyer jim clyburn reason last week, they were talking about a bill that did extensive barriers in certain areas. i am hopeful that we will move forward on this.

i don't think the president wants to call a national emergency. it's politically very peerless for him to do. >> harris: the problem is that i have a lot of time. see you asking them to do something in short order that they haven't been able to do in a year or two. when you and i were first talking, governor, the question was do you think the president will get what he wants in all of this? senator graham's answer would be yes. >> to everybody, he's wondering why how this movie ends, it will end this way. i talk to the present 10 minutes i came to the show pair the president isn't doing anything crazy. what's crazy is that they are fighting him after having voted the way they did in the past. >> harris: morgan? >> morgan: i think the governor at the nail on the head of the very beginning. he said people are negotiating for a win rather than to legislate. rather than to compromise. what the president hasn't all of this is senate republicans.

i don't think that given everything that's happened the past two years, i don't think senate republicans get it. many of them are stuck in a very old-school republican mentality, and they are not -- i think they are ready to give in. we have more senate republicans who vote for the democrat version of opening of government than for the republican version. where i think senator graham is right is that democrats are signaling every day that they are not going to compromise, they are not going to legislate. so what other resource does the president have but to declare a national emergency to get his wall? >> harris: that is complicated, potentially legally. >> morgan: right. >> jillian: to your point about what we just heard from senator lindsey graham, we talked about this briefly before the show started. i said i think senator graham does the president will have to get what he wants. i don't know how that will happen, nobody is at this point. is my issue, and carries what have you been to fix about this. you have the president tweeting, "let's just call them walls from now on stopping clinical games.

a wall is a wall." this is after he had already said, "okay, fine. you don't want to wall customer google, the barrier." going back on something he said he will do and i take issue with that, because it takes a step back now. >> harris: does it, or does it do something else? his dealmaking, he was contemplating to be $2.5 billion. maybe $1.6 billion. but if you are dealmaking, you go back to that original number because it's all or nothing. >> governor huckabee: if the other side is obstinate and gives nothing, you back to your original position because that's where you start the negotiation negotiations. i think the unfortunate thing is that he was reaching out with a real compromise on daca and tps. he was giving away half the store and democrats could have something that they said they really wanted. when they didn't even budge, in my mind, what they did was say, "we are not interested in those daca kids. we don't care about a hundred thousand government employees. >> jessica: if i may interrupt you back -- [laughter] a >> governor huckabee: yes

you may. >> jessica: it's only the a block. it's a long day. the proposal to president put forward actually didn't give democrats anything but rescinding things he had ruled by executive order. the daca kids were only going to get three years, not permanent legal status or the pathway to citizenship. that's what the democrats wanted and what nancy pelosi promised. in terms of keeping the people who are already here, that something he had gone after that nobody was really touching. it was about who was coming in here new. >> morgan: what is the democrat plan for these kids and for the tps? >> harris: excellent question. as >> jessica: nancy pelosi wants a clean dreamer's bill. she said that is the beginning. >> governor huckabee: under the president's -- you got for years to get it done. >> harris: my question is, if you haven't gotten it done in 36 months, how the heck we get it done in 14 days? they made a promise. if you reopen the government, they will be consider border security. we know from both sides of the political aisle that people, technology, and barriers work.

that's why we have 600 plus miles of them now. >> jessica: absolutely, and that's why democrats -- >> harris: if they don't get this done? >> jessica: if they don't keep the government open, or if they don't get dreamers a deal >> harris: if they don't do the 3-pronged approach that i just talked about to get everything to stay open and to go forward with border security. >> jessica: are not sure it ends up broken promises with reverting to wall talk. he started compromising with whatever materials he wanted to use because he was good and close to the shutdown deadline. now he is starting over again because he is three weeks. >> morgan: they could give the dreamers and they could get -- >> jessica: but they can't. >> morgan: they could work out a compromise within 15 minutes. they could give what they wanted. for the dreamer kids and tps. they are choosing not to because they don't want to give donald trump a wall. they would rather not do that then give them release pair that's the bottom line. >> harris: not just to give donald trump a wall. 200 miles more than what you already have. when you look at the 17

conferees, governor, of all the democrats, four of them are in the same stage with nancy pelosi. what do they have in that state of california? >> governor huckabee: a wall in san diego. speech and border patrol agents. they are saying, "this is what we need, we need a barrier." >> harris: but they need help. there are 2,000 job openings according to the border patrol paid the retention program is not what it could be. >> jessica: but then you have people like will hurd, a republican congressman, and 42% of the border is in district. he says, "we don't need a ball, this is not the smart way to do it." >> harris: i will talk with him about that on "overtime" next hour. let's move. dangerous and increasingly deadly weather gripping much of the nation. police investigating the death of a college student and whether it is linked to this frigid weather. i have the latest from the fox extreme weather center. plus, virginia's democratic governor facing growing backlash over his comments on a late-term abortion bill. he says critics are

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look at the images there, the frigid weather also stretching up to the northeast and new england. at least eight deaths are now blamed on the arctic blast. chief meteorologist's live in the fox extreme weather center with the latest. i know, rick, a lot of people are just looking for some relief. >> it's coming. his mom was there, in fact. we just have to get through today, tonight, and tomorrow everybody sees a big improvement. this is last night's low temperatures. minus 45 actual air temperature in international falls. it's colder than it was the night before. chicago got to minus 21. mondays 27 all-time record. even over to the eastern seaboard. 5 degrees in boston, here in new york it's 2, in new york. winchell still in effect. feels like minus three up in albany. it feels like minus 30 in chicago. see you get the idea. it's still very cold. detroit,-13. winchell warnings, a shark in every compared to yesterday. winchell may be up to about

negative 45 in some spots. this will quickly get out of here. here's what happens from the. it slowly begins to decrease by tomorrow morning. he will feel like minus three in chicago, i know that's totally cool but it's a lot better than it's been for the last 48 hours. watch what happens though the day on friday. that blue is sub zero. that may be out of here by the time we are up to friday night and into sunday morning. in fact, chicago -- today will get to about -- by the week and will be in the 40s. by monday will be in the 50s. there will be the case all across the northeast as well. here is the cold it all my gear that still settles here. the pink is gone for tomorrow, so a big warm up. about 20 degrees. by saturday, another 20 degrees in chicago. you go toward sunday, a few more degrees. take a look at this monday. we've got 50s, even in buffalo who is having a ton of snow right now. he does unpaid overall, julian,

the pattern swaps for the next week and half. the eastern part of the country will be much more murder. the cold air will go out to parts of the west. >> jillian: so stay bundled up longer! rick, thank you. >> harris: back and forth now over one of the most controversial issues in america is the democratic governor of virginia is defending his remarks about late-term abortion and he bills there. here is what governor ralph northam, former pediatric neurology, said yesterday in radio. >> third trimester abortion don't like abortions, these are done with the consent of, obviously, the mother. with the consent of the physicians. more than one physician, by the way. and it is done in cases where there may be severe deformities. there may be a fetus that is nonviable. in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, i can tell you exactly what happened. the infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept

comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if that is what the mother and the family desired. and then the discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother. >> harris: the exact intent of his comments is not clear, but some commentators and lawmakers took them to mean he was discussing the possibility of letting a new born died. in response to the criticism, governor northam has now treated the system don't like stephen. "i've devoted my life to caring for children, and any insinuation otherwise is shameful and disgusting." today, ben sasse of nebraska responded to governor northam in the statement. "what is shameful is that you are too cowardly to say point blank that you leave babies to die after birth. you could have said that yesterday. but because you are terrified of an extremist pro-abortion lobby that now defends even infanticide, you are still ducking." this comes as the governor of rhode island gets behind the push for a late-term abortion legislation. after new york's death mike

democratic governor, andrew cuomo, signed a bill last week dropping rejections on abortion. governor huckabee, where we going? >> governor huckabee: to hell in a hand basket is where we are going. uncivilized behavior. to have a fully developed baby, and we take the baby's life at the point of birth. this is not a political issue. it's not democrats, republicans, left, or write. this is up and down. we are either going to respect human life and believe that every person is equal, or we are going to go back to the horrible days in history where some people are more equal than others and we did not respect that every human life has intrinsic worth and value. when we do that, we take ourselves on a road from which we cannot come back. i pray to god that this gets out of the realm of the political back and forth and we look at it from a human rights perspective. an issue of personhood, not an issue of politics. whether or not, when 23 chromosomes from a male and 23 from a female come together and

create a human life, do we believe that the personhood that is created in that moment matters? do we protect and honor that human life? are we to believe that we can choose some life to be more valuable than others, and god help us when we ever say, "this person has value. this person doesn't. this person we keep, this person is disposable and expendable." we know longer will be able to say, "god bless america." we will only be able to say, "god forgive america." >> jillian: if i can ask of you but if there pending on this, if killing a pregnant woman is consider double homicide, double murder, how is this different? that's a hard question i have a hard time wrapping my mind around. >> harris: that's interesting question. >> jessica: it's my feet and life on the couch to be the one to defend governor northam 'comments and the bills in new york and rhode island,

which do a lot of good in protecting a woman's right to control her own body and what the supreme court and tended with v wade, but the reason it's different than murder is that murder comes with malice. these late-term abortions are occurring when the life of the mother or the fetus is in danger. the codification made clear that the baby he was discussing was not a viable. would have lived maximum a couple hours outside of the womb. this isn't about leaving babies to die. some little known facts what went on in new york, our penal code actually said that the woman could be punished for having a late-term abortion. we talked about that during the presidential election when then-candidate trump stumbled into a mess where women should be punished and even the susan b. anthony group said, "no, that's not the case here. this is about women's reproductive health. it is about privacy. it's about ensuring that states are doing what roof you wait intended when we see rollbacks

of women's productions in ohio. >> governor huckabee: what is reproductive about the death of a baby? >> jessica: but is not the death of a baby, governor. that's not a viable fetus. >> governor huckabee: viability is interpretive. >> jessica: really customer because i thought viability meant if it's going to live or not. space exhibit lives, he lives. if it doesn't, let let god be the judge. >> jessica: medical professionals have to do they should have this procedure. that's what that bill was trying to override. because it has to go to three different people. >> governor huckabee: i fight in france believed in science. biologically, it's not a part of a woman's body. if it was, it would have the exact dna of a woman. would have the same blood type. it doesn't. it's a distinct human being for the moment of conception. the >> jessica: one that can't live on its own. >> harris: we are kind of talking about two ends of the spectrum, here. i want to make sure we are apples to apples. you guys are now talking about conception in the beginning. >> jessica: the governor is, i'm not. >> governor huckabee: i'm

talking about -- >> harris: going what with the governor virginia said, he said it's the beginning of life. the baby has been delivered. >> jessica: but it can't live on its own. >> harris: where are we going, though? morgan, you got three states -- virginia, rhode island, new york -- in this issue is popping up. jessica put it well, at a time when roe v. wade is being talked about more. everything is seen through that prism. politically, is there -- i don't want to see the term "coincidence," but is there a thread here among democrats in this particular issue and where we are? >> morgan: i think it's an incredible difficult issue for people to talk about. with the democrats have done here with these cases i think has turn up a hornets nest. probably, many americans are fine with things under five months. but once you start getting into a full-term baby, you start to asking as yourself -- and i'm not a medical professional -- but if the baby can be born, i understand where the governor is

saying. why don't you let god or fate determine whether that baby -- birth the baby, whether it lives or dies? i think these are choices that women need to have with their doctors. they need privacy to do it. as a society, i think the pushback that we saw yesterday is people really want to say, "wait a minute. this is a full-term baby. this is a human life. postcode i don't want to hit any women over the head, i don't want to demonize people. that's not the message i want to convey here. whenever you start to see baby that could live fully outside of the womb, you start to ask yourself, "who are we if we are not doing everything we can to protect that baby?" >> jessica: i think that's correct. i don't think any of us feel different lee about that. what's going on here with these cases -- which i might add, only 1% of abortions occur after 20 weeks. it's a very small percentage of that ever happening. >> harris: but if you aren't that 1%, that's a lie. >> jillian: there also been babies where their parents are told they are going to die and

they have it. i get that it's rare, but it still happens. >> morgan: the bill is there, what, to protect the woman from being prosecuted? is not the point? >> jessica: that's part of it. it's also to ensure -- 's be when i haven't heard that from the doctors were governor cuomo. >> jessica: it does happen rarely, but it has happened in some instances. again, roe v. wade is the law of the land. governor cuomo and the governor of rhode island returned to make sure the states are in step with what has been provided by the supreme court. that women have the right to make their own health care decisions between them and their doctor, and that they have a right to privacy. it is a very small percentage when this happens. i think the governor should clarify even further his comments that the fetus he was discussing was not viable on their own. >> harris: i did return to his office today, i'm waiting to hear back. today on "the daily briefing," dana perino will talk more about this issue with republican senator ben sasse of nebraska. don't miss it, 2:00 p.m. eastern, right after "outnumbered overtime" ." they have already met face-to-face once.

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♪ >> jillian: happy for us to, welcome back. top senate republicans planning about later today an amendment warning against the withdrawal of u.s. troops from syria and afghanistan for the measure is sponsored by senate majority leader mitch mcconnell.

the amendment also warns that isis and al qaeda can still pose a continuing threat and those two countries. it's been seen as a rebuke to the president, who tweeted last month that, "we have defeated isis in syria," and that he would bring american service members in the country back home. meanwhile, senate minority leader chuck schumer urging top senate officials to stage an intervention with president trump, after president trump criticized their intelligence senate testimony on global threats that contradict it his optimism on what is a administration has accomplished with isis, north korea, and iran. you may recall, part of what the president tweeted yesterday included this. it says, "the intelligence people seem to be externally passive and naive when it comes to the dangers of iran. they are wrong." governor, are they wrong? >> governor huckabee: first of all, i'm going to do a go fund me site to get chuck schumer some glasses that fit. [laughter] that's the first thing i want to do. i thought it was ridiculous for him to talk about an intervention. i also would say that i think the senate is perfectly within their rights to offer a sense of

a senate resolution to say that the to the present that they disagree. they have every right to do it. the president may not like you, but they have every right and responsibility to do it. it's part of the process. glad to see them do it. whether i agree with him or not is immaterial. i have some misgivings about the president about stress announcement of the pull out of syria, mainly for the kurds. i feel we owe something to them. they have fought for us and with us, and they have never asked us for a thing. i think we have a moral obligation to make sure that they are not just slaughtered, and also the syrian christians. >> jillian: morgan, what you say about this? a lot of people criticize the president when he said he wanted to pull out of syria. a lot of people still criticize that move. what you make of how it's playing out? >> morgan: everything we have read publicly is that the president and his team of actually slow down down the withdrawal, talking about keeping some of the outpost open. remember, in syria, iraq, and afghanistan, there's lot of

negotiation going on behind the scenes. publicly, we know that his representative's in afghanistan, for example, continue to have talks with the taliban. we are talking about a war that's going on for 17 years at this point. i'm on the board of the american university in afghanistan, i very passionately dedicated to afghanistan. but with people serving there and voting in elections who havn or were toddlers when we started this war. i think with the congress is doing -- and i agree with the governor -- is giving their opinion to be known on these issues. but it's important to know that the president, despite all of the rhetoric, i think is actually working to strengthen nato. look with the nato secretary general to fox news over the weekend about the additional $100 billion in spending. in all of these things, the responsible and prudent things to do with the defense and say to permit arguing. which is to negotiate with the taliban in afghanistan and slow down this withdrawal in syria.

a precipitous withdrawal would be similar to what the obama administration did, and it would clearly not be productive. speed when i'm taking some notes he because we have breaking news inside the oval office. the president's meeting, he's going to sign an executive order strengthening by americans. we know that his assistant for trade and manufacturing, peter navarro, has been given some notes. we also have reporters in the oval office right now. as this video becomes available with the president speaking on other issues as well, which i will touch on pertinent to the conversation here, we will bring you the president from inside the oval. as far as listening to intel chiefs, he was just ask about this and this is what the president said. again, these are notes. he doesn't exactly answer directly, but he said, "i think the time will prove me right. i think we are doing so well on foreign policy basis, meetings with north korea. they're going to a certain location. it's not a big secret, he says.

we are doing really well. our military is close to being built. i didn't see the report from intelligence. it was very different from what is reported. "i have great respect for a lot of people." and then he moves on to talk about china. there is more. we will either competitively give you what's coming out of my phone come over on camera. whatever's first. just to get that into the conversation. >> jillian: jessica, what you make of it? people argue that you don't want to be in a war in these countries forever. >> jessica: that would be ideal. you have seen already democratic 2020 hopefuls having to talk about this, saying, "yes, we need to pull out, but has to be planned better and it can't be off-the-cuff." think that's what chuck schumer is reacting to, which has been a long-held issue with the way the president communicates. that it doesn't seem like he has discussed it with anyone but himself or maybe jared kushner or whoever was standing in the room when he got the idea. he has also put himself at odds with the intelligence community on a number of issues, and it hasn't looked good for us.

russian interference. and i will say, what i think is most important here, north korea obviously because we are about to have a summit with them. but the long-held back and forth over the iran deal, where the intelligence community continues to say they are in complying ad the presence as they aren't. people who oppose the deal. i don't know if there's a better deal we can get. but that's an issue that has really polarized the two sides. >> harris: that's key, what you just said. we don't know if there is a better deal. president trump wants to find out if there's a better deal that we can get. >> jessica: right, but he's also saying they are not complying, which is not fact. >> morgan: the administration position isn't just about compliance and noncompliance. it's about maligned behavior and being the largest state sponsor of terrorism. and the ballistic missiles they test in violation of the men. don't get me started on the subjects. meanwhile, secretary of state mike pompeo appears confident about a second summit between president trump and the north korean dictator kim jong un. telling hannity he is already laying the groundwork for another sit down. he expects it to happen at the

end of february. watch this. >> i think it will be a summit at the end of the month. that's the plan, that's what north koreans have agreed to and what we have agreed to with them as well. we will do it someplace in asia. i think that looks good. i am dispatching a team, they are headed that way now to lay the foundations for what i hope will be a substantial additional step toward the path for not only denuclearization of the peninsula but a brighter future for the north korean people. >> morgan: secretary pompeo also telling fox news that kim has told the u.s. he is prepared to denuclearize. harris, yesterday when the dash or come earlier this week, when dan coats testified before the congress, the intelligence community assessment is that north korea is actually not prepared to denuclearize. what you think secretary pompeo knows that the intelligent side of the government does not? >> harris: here's what lawmakers on they'll have told me that they hope he knows -- and that is where north korea sees the meaning of denuclearization.

and doesn't mean our meaning of the same thing? so in order to check them and make sure that they are doing what needs to be done on the ground, from what i have been privy to, that is the starting point where we need to be. we are still not clear on that. the other thing is, what is our end game and all of this question what does it look like? because the president sends a really strong economic message with the last summit. "get a little taste of how the rest of the world lives! we will meet you in singapore." singapore is one of the most beautiful cities on the planet. you go there, don't you want to have a great time question write an image of that spaceship in the sky. you take that back, and the trend that i think -- i haven't been on it -- it doesn't have any windows, you go back into that hermit kingdom. and what is it like to take that message for kim jong il -- kim jong un, rather question write back to his people? it's a 2-pronged approach. it has to do is denuclearization. we are to get clear on how they see it. but also, kim jong un has to answer to some people to stay alive, i would imagine.

you take back too much economic promise, what you do with it, governor? >> governor huckabee: he's got a 70-year issue of having a totalitarian government. i think anybody is a bit naive to think he's going to sign a piece of paper last june and it's all done by september. this is going to be a process, not an event. we need to see it as a process, not an event. >> morgan: this plays into the discussion of the congress having, at the beginning of a summit we talked about the president not withdrawing troops from south korea as part of this process. it comes full circle. new criticism for howard schultz from top democrats after the billionaire former starbucks ceo says he may run for president. whether this shows a big divide amongst the democrats are not. we will be back. as a good

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♪ >> jessica: it struck a nerve. democrats continuing to pile on howard schultz as hillary clinton's former campaign chair blasts as talks

about a potential white house run as an independent. watch. >> an independent can't win. all he will do is end up splitting the trump vote. i would think about mr. schultz would rather have as his legacy the fact that he became a millionaire selling proper chinos then helping donald trump get elected president of united states. >> jessica: showed yesterday on "the daily briefing" with dana perino said there's a reason he's running as an independent and not a democrat. part of it has to do some of the socioeconomic views of some democrats. >> if iran is a democrat -- at which i would not do -- i would have to beat disingenuous, given the platform that they are moving toward. which is a level of government takeover of health care. the government takeover of the free college for everyone. a job for everyone. which tallies about $40 trillion on the basis of a 21 and a half trillion dollar level of debt. >> jessica: meantime, 2020

contender elizabeth warren, who has already locked horns with schultz over prepare proposed packet, says they need rules. >> i believe in capitalism. i see the wealth that can be produced. but let's be really clear, capitalism without rules is theft. encouraging a company to build their business model on cheating people? that's not capitalism. what i believe is capitalism with serious rules. that means rules where everybody gets a chance to play. >> jessica: that's not really news from elizabeth warren, that that is her stance here. the schultz may be-run since he hasn't declared comic it's getting up a bit and bothered. as somebody worked for a pulling team for mike bloomberg -- [laughter] howard schultz, to my mind, hasn't actually told us what he's for. can you make out any sort of

platform from what he's been discussing? >> governor huckabee: he is for caffeine and lots of it. [laughter] he's a smart guy, i have great respect for his business acumen and his story is amazing. but i don't think he fully understands. he has made a couple of, i think, big blunders. when he did the interview with dana perino and he said, "i'm going to get a lot of republican votes if i run," and then he said "i give zero credit should donald trump in deregulation and cutting taxes for the economic uptake," that was very foolish thing for him to say. because now he is insulting mainstream republicans and he is making all the democrats mad. his smart play would have been to run as a democrat, run as a jfk kind of democratic, not as an aoc democrat. and say, "let's go back to our roots as to be our is a democratic party." which was a rational party with very thoughtful ideas. they were in for stuff that was way out of left field. they could have done that.

and independent -- i've seen many times, it's a train without a track. you can't run as an independent because you don't have an infrastructure. you don't have any national organization in place. the two parties, like it or not, those are your platforms on which to run. if you don't, you will lose. five jillian, that's why mike bloomberg -- >> harris: i'm going to slide in with some breaking news because we've been watching that situation in the oval office. the president signing that executive order on strengthening american goods. we know he is a proponent of buying american, and has come up with three different lanes that you go down when you do that. his assistant to the president for trade and manufacturing policy, peter navarro, giving us some notes on that today. but he's also talking about other things. we know that because we are getting some notes coming out of the oval office, per the reporters who are in the room with him. we have been waiting to be able to hear directly from the president, and as we are able to do that, we will bring it to you. that executive order for strengthening america, as i was

telling you about, has some people on capitol hill who have been pivotal in advancing the "buy america" agenda paid he's got people in that room, and it's called strengthening buy america for infrastructure projects to encourage heads of agencies to apply for "buy american" requirements. questions and answers with the media. let's watch. >> reporter: do have confidence in gina haspel or dan coats to do this? >> president trump: i disagree with think that they said, but i think i'm right. time will prove me right, probably. i think iran is a very big threat. i think i did a great thing when i terminated the ridiculous iran nuclear deal. it was a horrible one-sided deal. it was $150 billion, plus $1.8 billion in cash and lots of other bad things. if you remember, they took our ten sailors out of waters that people are disputing and made us look very bad. but of course the payment was

due the following day, so that you eventually let them go. which they had to. i disagree very much on that. i also think -- and you will be seeing something next week, because you look at what's happened in syria with respect to isis and the caliphate, we took over a lot of area in the last couple weeks. we've done tremendous and the last couple of weeks. at the same time, we are consolidating and a tremendous about of good things are happening. you look at what's going on, i can tell you that this is a guarantee because we are going f being in afghanistan. for the first time, they are talking about settling. they are talking making an agreement. we bring our people back home. if it happens, we will see what happens. but there are very serious negotiations for the first time. there's a reason for that. i think we are doing so well on a foreign policy basis, you look at north korea and many of you will be traveling with us to north korea. for the meetings with

north korea, we are going to a certain location. i think most of you know where the location is. i don't think it's a great secret, but we will be announcing the location and the date, the exact date it will be. at the end of february. we've made tremendous progress with north korea. when i came in, or let's say at the end of the last administration, frankly, it looked like we were going to war with north korea. now there is no muscle testing, there is no rocket testing, there is no nuclear testing. we got back our prisoners or our hostages, and we are getting back out remains. they are coming in. we have had some beautiful ceremonies in hawaii, and other places. i just tell you that we are doing really well, our military is being rebuilt, it's very close to being rebuilt, we have tremendous amounts of new aircraft, new ships, new weapons of all kinds, which we need. because hopefully the stronger

we get the less we have to use it. i guess you know that from growing up in school. the stronger we are, the less you're going to have to use it. we don't want to have to use it. but we are going to have the strongest military by far that we have ever had. i didn't see the report from the intelligence -- when he read it, it's a lot different than the way it was covered on the news. i think iran is somebody, is a nation we have to watch very closely. they sent a big rock at the other day and it failed but it was sent up. they say that they are sending up for civilian purposes, but i'll think too many people believe that. they're doing protests and we don't want to be in a position where we are behind. we will be leading from behind anymore. that's the story. i have great respect for a lot of people, but i don't always agree with everybody. [reporters asking questions]

[indistinct question] >> president trump: we are going to go into everything. you probably sounds more to come i put out a statement. we are going into everything. this will be a small deal with china. it'll be a deal that we will postpone for a little while. but we have been dealing with china, we have a great relationship, i have a great relationship with president xi, the relationship of my people through chinese representatives has been very good. they are negotiating now. it will be coming here at about 4:00 and we will be talking to, actually, one of the top leaders in china. as you know. i think probably the final deal will be made. if it's made, it will be made between myself and president xi. we are certainly talking about theft, we are talking about every aspect of trade with a country, and we are talking about fentanyl. as you know, most of the fentanyl -- which is killing 80,000 americans -- it comes through china. in china, it was not criminalized. they have agreed to criminalized

fentanyl and give it the maximum penalty. the maximum penalty in china if you are selling drugs is death. it's the death penalty. they have agreed to do the death penalty for selling fentanyl. if it's shipped to the united states, that would be a very severe penalty. i think this will have a tremendous impact. we put that one item into the trade deal, the fentanyl. i think that's an important item to put in. but they have agreed. they agreed very readily. we really appreciate it. to criminalized the sale of fentanyl. >> do you think you will make the deadline? speak down my >> president trump: i can tell you, a lot of people are workin working. we are judging large tariffs to chinese products that are coming in, which hurts china. as you know, you saw the report reports, out of the 25 points we are paying for four. they are paying for 21.

that's a big difference. i've always said that. we are taking billions dollars. trinka, we are creating a lot of industry. the rate goes from 10% to 25% on march 1st. so they would like to do it. i would like to accommodate them, if we can pray i would like to accommodate china if we can get the deal done. it's a lot of work, because this is a very conference of deal. this isn't what what we are talking about -- they would buy some corn, nsb it because michael flew by lots of corn and wheat and everything else that we have we are also talking every technology, heavy manufacturing, financial services, and everything else. [indistinct question >> president trump: i think we can do it by march 1st. can we get it on paper before then? i don't know. i can say that by march 1st the tariff on china goes to 25%. that's a big tariff.

[reporters asking questions] [indistinct question] >> reporter: stacey abrams, ran for governor of georgia -- any thoughts -- >> president trump: i campaigned against stacey abrams. i know that president obama campaigned for her. michelle obama campaign for her, and oprah campaigned for her. all he had was me, and he won fairly easily. i hope that she does a good job. i respect her. i don't know her. i haven't met her. but i hope she does a good job. i think it's unification. i think it's industry. i think it's about the people you see right here. it's also working with people because they have been incredible. we've had some incredible reports and incredible republican support. the problem is, the democrats -- when they say, as an example, "we don't want to build a wall

because it doesn't work, because it's immoral." it's also immoral, the people who come here to our country and kill people. that's a lot more immoral. i really think it's going to be a speech that is going to cover a lot of territory. but part of it will be unity. >> reporter: nancy pelosi said this morning that there's not going to be a wall in this deal, but she did say she would be open to other kinds of barriers. would you accept that? >> no, because if there's no wall he would work. she's playing games. if there is no welcome it doesn't work. we are building the all right now. a lot of people don't know that come up we have a lot of while under construction. we've given out a lot of contracts over the last three or four weeks. good contracts paid a lot of wall will soon be under construction. we are finishing up design on certain areas, the most important areas, the rio grande area and others. we are building a a lot of wall. i'm not waiting for this committee. i have told a lot of people, i don't expect much coming out of the committee.

because i keep hearing the words, "we will give you what we want, but we won't give you a wall." without a ball, it doesn't work. we have caravans right now coming up from honduras, who we give a lot of money to. which is stopping, by the way. we have paid hundreds of millions of dollars to guatemala, honduras, and el salvador. and then they have caravans leaving their country, coming up here. by the way, if you go to tijuana, and you take down that wall, you will have so many people coming into our country that nancy pelosi will be begging for a wall. she would be begging for a while. she will say, "mr. president, please, please give us a wall." it would be very interesting. some people have suggested, let me take the wall along california and move it to arizona. let's move it to texas. you know, it would be a very interesting statement.

about nancy -- so, in california they wanted the wall built in san diego so badly and we built it. probably, i should have waited. because as soon as it was finished, they started screaming, "we don't want a wall medical medical school but they wanted it so badly. by the way, it worked. nobody's getting through. but the minute it was built they started saying, "we don't want awol." without a wall, doesn't work. it's very civil. i'm not saying this as a republican or as anything other than a fact-stater. without a well it just doesn't work. >> reporter: after listening to the hardships from mending federal government workers, as well as those contracted with and who relied on the federal government's employee finances to fund there is, are you willing to jeopardize the economy again and also your

presidency with people who are fearful of another government shutdown over this wall? and also about jussie smollett, if you heard about that story. who was allegedly attacked. >> president trump: that, i can tell you, it's horrible. i think that's horrible. it doesn't get worse. as far as i'm concerned. as far as the people are concerned, many of those people wanted me to stay out. i didn't want to do it because people were getting hurt. what i think is the worst sin of all is the fact that we are allowing people to come into this country and sell drugs and human traffic and do all of these horrible things, that if we had the simplicity of a well-constructed, beautiful barrier or wall, they wouldn't be able to come into our countr country. that comment to me, as the great sin. everybody knows it works. i watched early in the morning, somebody trying to justify that

walls are immoral. if walls are immoral, maybe we should take down all of the walls. you will see a mess like you've never seen before. i only say this -- i was elected partially on these issues. not as much as people say, but partially on this issue. it's a very important issue. nothing to do with elections, the thing to do with votes. only to do with common sense and only to do with security. if we don't put up a barrier or a wall, that is strong and looks good -- in the old ladies, these to bill them, though terrible now we both them and they look really good. if we don't put up a physical barrier, you can forget it. our country would be an unsafe place. people are coming in, tricks or command, human trafficking is coming in. which is so horrible. things are happening that won't happen after the wall is constructed. so we are building a a lot of