"i want to hold your hand," its number one status coming just days before they made their now-historic appearance on. sullivan show. a wonderful look back at the beatles. >> jon: what a great group. hey, thanks for letting me come in. >> sandra: it was great to have you this morning, jon scott. thanks for joining us. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> melissa: fox news alert, president trump is holding a meeting at the white house and the issue of human trafficking along the southern border. as the commander in chief refuses to back away from the option of declaring a national emergency to building portable. we are expecting comments from the president out of that meeting. this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here today, my partner, harris faulkner. fox news contributor and correspondent, katherine timpf. functions can become a jessica tarlov. joining us on the couch for the very first time, mike's leader. he has host of the mike slater radio show. >> harris: look at those.

>> mike: i'm no mike huckabee. >> harris: know it is, mike! no one is. >> mike: he had killer boots yesterday. >> jessica: they weren't cowboy boots. we talked about it. it's an awesome store in fort worth that you have to go to. >> mike: these are much less impressive less impressive. >> harris: those are great, though. you may need them. [laughter] we've got a lot of work to go don't mike do. >> melissa: let's get to it. the president wearing lawmakers that he is ready to act if they won't budge on his pressing for more than 5 billion dollars net supposing mating and a hard line, sing the committee will not be agreeing to any wal. in a new view with "the new york times," the president responding. take a listen. >> i think nancy pelosi is hurting our country very badly by doing what she's doing. ultimately i think i set the table very nicely. i think people understand. they understand, peter.

they didn't know what was going on at the southern border. i've set the table, i've set the stage for doing what i'm going to do. i'm going to wait until the 15th. i think it's a waste of time. >> melissa: the white house is reportedly already drafting a plan for the president to use his and emergency powers to obtain wall funding. democrats warning against such a move. watch. >> what is this, a game to him customer at 35 days of a government shutdown, and he is saying, "i just set the stage for an emergency declaration," which he created himself. there will be a lawsuit if he does that. i hope that the judiciary, which is supposed to be an independent branch of government, will not allow him to have this kind of unfettered power. >> melissa: micah, your thoughts? >> mike: i'm really grateful that the president is framing this as a humanitarian issue. because it is. it was amnesty international who said that 80% of women, migrants who come across our border, our

raped along the way. i live in say diego. busiest border crossing the country. it was chaos, absolute chaos. it was a complete no-man's-land between the countries with an imaginary line between them. one area was called dead man 'canyon. full of migrants who have been robbed, raped, and murdered. they call them bandits. and the corrupt mexican police officers, murdering people in these canyons before he could take control. you know what we did? we built a wall. it you know what's there now? a mall. you can go to the polo outlet star and the wall is right ther there. >> melissa: why does a wall change what is happening on the way through? we are talking about people that are being victimized as they are trying to come into this country. >> mike: ultimately the goals to put the coyotes out of business. so they are not sending false hope to the migrants, the women and children coming across, that you can even make it across illegally and you have to properly go to a port of entry so we can take care of you and protect you from the bandits and criminals and give you proper

health screenings, bring you through the asylum process. we need order at the border. you need to do that with a wall. >> melissa: doesn't that just move the place they would be taken advantage of or assaulted further south? they would still be making their way to wherever the legal point of entry was. but being attacked somewhere else along the way? i'm just asking the question. >> mike: unless you asked on the wall. >> jessica: where, to honduras? >> mike: wherever you need to go. >> melissa: but doesn't just push it south of there? >> kat: make the whole world a wall! >> mike: there would be no false hope if you come up and make it happen -- >> jessica: especially if you're going to be coming humanitarian aid to the countries that needed the most to deal with this crisis, and we all agree it's a humanitarian crisis, you're going to have people who will still be trying to leave. we are having some issues are and i with mexico, who now says they don't want to do this fact-check a system and keep the migrants there. people are going to continue to come. i agree, we need order at the border and a kind and compassionate and fair way of dealing with all of this.

but you are saying, people who live in san diego decades ago -- we had a much bigger illegal immigration problem decades ago. customs and data protection shows it's 90% down from the year 2000. when people push back like nancy pelosi and others have been paying attention, senator hirono, they say it's an emergency -- >> harris: if that's the case, why did they build 600 miles of wall? >> jessica: we've talked about this in a number of times. >> harris: if those numbers are true, and i don't doubt that your research is right, but if the end result of what you are saying is true then why do we need 600 plus miles of wall? we should ask democrats specifically. >> jessica: they do, many of them voted for it. many today are saying there should be extensions of physical barriers where it makes sense. heard that from steny hoyer, jim clyburn, et cetera. but the wall has become a lightning rod issue, here, and the reason the numbers matter about it is that you don't have the flow of immigrants, migrants, that you did have then. so it's unnecessary to be building a wall of the size that

the president is asking for. >> melissa: jessica, i think the point a lot of people would make is when you talk about their not being a flow through this area because there's a wall there. and it's going to other spots where there isn't a wall. i think his point is that it has worked in san diego. >> jessica: some democrats don't deny that. that -- not nancy pelosi. she doesn't want to undo the walls that are already there. >> kat: she says walls are moral, she did want to tear them down. i think everyone in the situation is acting like children. we have republican saying, "no wall, no deal." we have democrats saying, "no deal with a wall." didn't you learn how to compromise in preschool? i've seen preschool aged children better at compromising with how to share their crayons than i have seen these politicians being able to compromise and how to mark the government. i'm concerned there could be another shutdown, because this is the exact thing going on when we were in the shutdown. >> melissa: exactly, especially because we are talking about a wall anymore. >> harris: i want to go back

to what you said at the top, mike, about how this is more of the crisis than the argument about whether drugs were other things are coming across. because we dislike you to all of fentanyl go through and get caught through a port of entry. the drug problem, it seems, is outside the boundaries of this. but you say this should specifically be framed because amnesty.org -- and i've got the website up here now -- is putting out numbers like one in 20 women under the age of 15 has been raped, and they looked at more than just our country. coming across borders. one in ten has experienced some type or form of sexual violence. as a lot of people. again, that's on the amnesty.org website. anybody can track it. so this isn't even a matter of democrats or republicans having a vision about walls and barriers or what not. those numbers are staggering. whatever we can do to mitigate that crisis as human beings we

should want to do that. >> mike: i am for speeding up the asylum process and the legal immigration process to great amounts. we need to speed up a lot. that's totally fine. in san diego county, the county voted to open up a micra shelter in downtown san diego. we want migrants to go to an embassy come in a neighboring country from where you are fleeing, or to a port of entry. so we can give you proper care and put you in a shelter and connect you with people and places to go. that's a passionate compassiono do. >> harris: are you confident we can do that? because right now we have detention centers that are overrun. jessica and i have conversations that all the time, and she has read about this. we are at capacity as it is. >> mike: there's a compromise. we build the wild places that are necessary, not everywhere. >> harris: and where it's possible. >> mike: sure. and to speed up the process. >> jessica: that's why jim clyburn said toward the end of the shutdown that we can come to some compromise deal that includes a smart wall.

it has the technology where you need technology, and an extension of physical barriers where you need an extension of physical barriers. >> harris: that seems a reasonable, so easy, what you just said! >> kat: but some of the thing is about semantics. that it will fire up his base, trumbull think he has a success. they don't want to do that. that it's about politics. >> harris: north of 300,000 created jobs that came out toda today. they've got -- >> kat: that should be firing up everyone, by the way. >> harris: but they've got to fire up a compromise. i think we are going to pause here. [laughter] we are not! we are not going to pause. >> mike: i will keep talking, i'm a radio host! i've got a lot! >> harris: meanwhile, january's job numbers are shattering expectations to put on mike despite the government shutdown. here's the full number, 304,000 nonfarm jobs were added. that marks 100 straight months of job growth, all time records.

the unemployment rate take slightly higher to 4%, which the labor department says is a likely technicality of the shutdown due to some workers being temporarily listed as unemployed. wages also continue to improve in january, growing 3.2% over last year. now, a look at the doubt. it's friday. boom, there it is. we are in green territory, they are. that good. we burst above 25,000 again. melissa being money melissa, that is. [laughter] the president is touting the numbers by treating this. "that's generally for the dow in 30 years. we have by far the starkest economy!" !" >> melissa: that's true. there are things working in the market for right now. a china deal look like it's getting closer to coming together. we will get everything we want out of that. >> harris: neither will they. >> melissa: there was never a

chance we will get -- with the market want to see is the tariff battle to end. we are getting closer to that. the federal reserve is looking more relaxed about tightening the money supply. that wage growth is great, people coming in off the sidelines. thinking they can get a job. these are the kind of things. ironically, within that, you see that we need more skilled laborers and day workers. and we need immigration reform. that goes into this conversation as well, and it would be a way to keep the economic ball rolling. >> mike: proof that tax cuts work, too. there's gotta be some connection there. one more thing -- i know there's a lot of talk during the shutdown, that the shutdown would affect the economy. there was a big bank president saying that their gp to be done my gdp growth was zero. it had no effect whatsoever. the commerce secretary said that if all of these employs never got, it would only affect the gdp by 0.3. big picture.

>> harris: i want to go out on this quickly if i can. >> melissa: we do need to see those gdp numbers when they come up. it will have some impact. i believe you are right, that it's temporary. go ahead. >> harris: kat, we talk about what it feels like. the heat index of the economy. all these numbers can be there, but is how people feel. i check in on that by seeing not only job creation but, as melissa was pointing out, people feeling like that if they apply for a job, they can just get one. they don't need three that they needed after the great recession to match what they had. >> kat: writes, the economy is strong. people are feeling that. i think that something we need to be excited about. i think the tendency of a lot of democrats is to kind of root for things to not go well because then president trump is doing well. i think this is something that we should all be celebrating today. we should all be happy that the shutdown didn't have the impact that a lot of democrats were saying that it might have. even some economists were saying that it might have. we should all be happy that it didn't happen. >> mike: are you happy,

jessica? >> jessica: i'm like 90% happy, which is really hard for me. [laughter] >> melissa: you are always super happy! >> jessica: i am always happy. energy simple to look at is the wage growth. that's what democrat candidates for president are going to have to focus on. i'm a big fan of sherrod brown. he comes from ohio, talks on his campaign. it seemed to be launched. the slogan is "dignity of work." when you look at the wage growth, it was only a 3% wage growth and 85. dioxins of the lesser. in the terms of adding drops, that's not as much growth as you like to see. that's 32,000 jobs, that's awesome. we will wait for the gdp number numbers. we need to be focusing on that wage growth. i think that's where democrats will be putting their attention in this. no crumbs comments, of course. >> harris: can i ask a question about how the communication that's coming out of the democratic party now -- and i will even say it's more of a hole, because it seems like there is more voice amplitude about this issue, and that is

the extra taxation of people who make above a certain amount. >> jessica: above $10 million. if you look at candidates like elizabeth warren and bernie sanders, they talked about it a long time. aoc is a great spokesperson for that. >> harris: so how do you raise wages question agree distribute the wealth? i'm trying to understand. >> jessica: not of one has put out their plans that you will see higher taxes on people who earn $10 million plus. >> harris: how does that help wages and other issues in the economy? >> jessica: money going back into the economy, more job creation. >> harris: using the government is going to give up what they withhold? >> jessica: the plan that elizabeth warren put out, for instance, the money that she is taxing. her billionaire tax ghost education education, health car health care. >> mike: that's not wages. the >> jessica: it doesn't up being wages because the economy is better. people have more money in the pocket, spending as much for health care. speed when talk about these issues on the radio all time

who -- people doing the thing that kat and i were talking about. the people on the ground. now that billionaires aren't real people, but when you talk about extra taxes on them, what happens if they decide they don't want to do business here? that affects all those people calling to the radio station. >> mike: have never talked to a business owner who doesn't want to hire people. who doesn't want to raise wages. he doesn't want to give more money for health insurance. they all want it, but they literally can't. especially california. there's another 12% personal tax rate on top of that, at another corporate income tax rate. it's harder and harder, more businesses are leaving. it's a good microcosm of the country where we are headed. >> melissa: one of the facts that is really tough is that we just fell under president obama. during that recovery, that was the time when wage growth was really stagnant. people fell further behind because of the structure of the economy. because of the restriction. >> harris: have we made it up? >> melissa: we've made up a lot of it, but this wage growth that's a pittance now is much better than under the lessig administration pair that's one

of the big economic talking points. while everyone wants the same outcome from how you get there's different. bite taxing the big companies in the mission limiting the economy in that way, you make which is even more stagnant. >> harris: i want to slide in the question prayed i was joking earlier, that billionaires are peopled, too, but we tillich they are rb vilified capitalism why does that happen? >> kat: it's the cool, hip thing to vilified capitalism paid which is disgusting, because it's the reason so when people are able to be prosperous. that we have freedom in this country come all the sorts of things. it's seen as this evil thing among so many people, and socialism is becoming more popular even though we can see real examples of where it didn't go so well. >> harris: it changes the fact that what happens when you take those wealth dollars out of the economy. >> melissa: how many jobs did howard schultz create? it's worth talking about, that he's a billionaire and he invented the company. it's a lot of jobs. >> jessica: what happens if oprah gets in customer she's a

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president is saying. "the democrats can play their game, but they want to get off that topic as fast as possible." what's immoral is when someone can into our country and kills innocent victims." "if we didn't have a quality want tijuana, people would be coming in by the tens of thousands. the committee's waste of time." of course the president of always said it's because, if there recommendation doesn't include a wall, it's a waste of time. secretary nielsen is saying that it's a horrific ongoing crisis, an insidious form of modern-day slavery. young girls being used as pawns. she talking about some of the crisis on our southern border. we will give you the notes as they come to us. most importantly, we will give you the words and the video from the president of the united states as we get it. melissa? >> melissa: top white house advisor kellyanne conway weighing in on the remarks by virginia governor ralph northam about a late term abortion bill in the senate.

here is kellyanne conway. >> in the case of virginia come in the words of the governor, as far as i know he has retracted them, the baby is already born. we will "keep the different comfortable," and have the mother consult with the physician. is this america question rick is that what it is to be pro-choice now? i think so. >> harris: yesterday governor northam responded to the growing criticism, sing his comments are being taken out of context. >> i regret that those comments have been mischaracterized. the personal insults toward me, i really find disgusting. >> melissa: also, yesterday republican senator ben sasse says he does not believe the remarks are being mischaracterized. here he is on "the daily briefing." speak of the comments that the governor of virginia set on the radio are about fourth trimester abortions. this is not a fortune it's infanticide. every democrat should have to answer for whether they stand with little baby girls who are

born alive, surviving an abortion, or whether they stand with governor northam's repugnant comments. i think the 2020 democratic presidential candidates should have to answer for this. >> melissa: and now politico is reporting that president trump is telling conservative allies he wants to talk about the issue of abortion in his state of the union address on tuesday. liberty university president jerry followed jr. saying, "the legislation in new york and virginia is really forcing his hand, and he's reacting to people who have just gone off the rails. i don't think he's going to mention it for political reasons, because i don't like it will help them much politically. i think he's doing it because he really believes it's important to protect life. ." jessica, i wonder if bringing this blue cultivate background right now, starting at such an extreme point of departure when you go back and listen to what the governor actually said, in his own words, it strikes me as a very extreme position, what he's saying.

is it not? >> jessica: only 13% of american support late-term abortion, whereas a majority to support abortion up until the 20 week point. >> melissa: but what he's talking about isn't late-term. >> jessica: it is, actually pair the clarification to give initially, not yesterday but the day before -- what was going on there is that was a fetus that was not viable, would have lived only a couple of hours outside the mother 'spotty. that's what he was talking about. that's what the bill addresses. as a sponsor made clear, this bill wasn't about extending the number of weeks in which you could have an abortion. there was about lowering the threshold to be able to have one from seeing three doctors down to one or two. because that was too burdensome on women. the bill in new york was trying to reverse a 1970 decision that would have let women be punished under the penal code for having an abortion. treacherous territory that the president weighed into during the election campaign. rhode island, as well. a sickly because there are so many states that are rolling back protections for women to control their own bodies and you also have a right to privacy,

like ohio, mississippi, and texas, you have doctors coming from california to perform abortions there because the women do not have quality, affoe health care. >> melissa: i just want to run out of time before we let mike respond. >> mike: in a way, i'm grateful the democrats are overplaying their hand on this. because they are proving the logical end of their principles here. there is is made up idea of when we should allow abortion or not. what's 24 weeks? what is the question rick if it's not conception, you're making stuff up. 24 weeks, 30 weeks, 40 weeks. viability -- yesterday had a great back and forth with mike huckabee. i have a 2-year-old and a 10-month-old. they can't survive on their own. was his idea of viability? they are always dependent on the mother come on parents. you roll your eyes and i paid my 10-month-old couldn't survive on his own. before there's a difference between a 10-month-old that eats externally versus fetus in the room that's connected to an umbilical cord. >> harris: that's not what this is. i want to interject, just with the fact of what was going on

the radio. appearing to discuss what wouldy cabin after field abortion, the governor of virginia, governor northam, said, "the infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired. then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother." so after it was delivered -- it's -- >> kat: it's a baby that has already been born. does not abortion. >> mike: there's never a situation for the health of the mother when aborting the baby inside the womb saves the mother's life. if possible, has never hadn't, will never happen. impossible. there's no situation where killing the baby in the womb saves the mother's life. >> jessica: i have this discussion with -- it continued during the break, with mike huckabee. there are thousands of doctors who would disagree with you about that. otherwise no one would be performing abortions. >> mike: you deliver the baby and try to save the baby's life. you're not intentionally killing a baby. >> jessica: this is the reason -- >> kat: at such a losing issue for democrats.

by far, most americans do not think this is okay. >> harris: not to mention the fact there have been two statements now by the governor of virginia, northam. you know what they say, when you are trying to explain what you said clearly and there is documentation, it gets you further and further away from winning that message. >> jessica: he's a pediatric doctor himself. with the g.o.p. is doing and vilifying him as someone who supports infanticide, and that he would be a bp killer, seems completely out of step. i'm not sink its popular position. but do you really think that of governor northam? >> melissa: the infant would be delivered and kept comfortable. and then at that point they will decide what to do. >> harris: this is a wider discussion. you've got new york, rhode island, other states where this is being talked about. maybe not in the incendiary form that we are discussing happened on the radio, but it's a topic among democrats. >> melissa: we've got to go. i think we will be discussing with many more times, without question. democrats looking to be facing a

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>> harris: fox news alert, new jersey democratic senator cory booker is making it official today, announcing his throwing his hat into the ring for 2020. it comes amid what appears to be a growing divide amongst democrats headed to the primaries. potential candidates, former new york mayor michael bloomberg, and senator amy klobuchar are criticizing a plan by 2020 candidate kamala harris to scrap private health insurance. bloomberg also going after senator elizabeth warren's proposed wealth tax, comparing it to socialism.

but warren doubled down, accusing billionaires of mooching off the system. watch it. >> i want these billionaires to stop being freeloaders. i want them to pick up their fair share. that's how we make a system that works not just for the rich and powerful, but for all of us. all i'm asking for is a little slice from the tippy, tippy top. >> harris: just yesterday, independent senator bernie sanders rolled out his plan to drastically increase taxes on the very rich. self-described centrist and also cooper-wealthy former starbucks ceo howard schultz, who is considering an independent bid k hard. he lamented the democratic push to the left. >> the democratic party is moving so far to that position, and that's not where i am. i don't believe there's any room for me as a centrist person who could get the nomination within the party today. >> harris: you solve a book on

the little table there? outside that book event, people were protesting where scholz was promoting a book. democrats have been very vocal in attacking him. fearing that he would siphon votes from the democratic nominee an end the president in office right now a second term. mica, as you watch this -- and we talked a little bit about vilifying those people who melissa pointed out, how many jobs to the ceo of starbucks create custom arc where are we in all of this? >> mike: sci-fi writer robert heinlein says that the state of man is poverty. it's only for the makers. not the moochers paid the makers like mr. howard schultz, that we have jobs and industries and growth and prosperity. when you start attacking this people, then you're going to fall back into a state of poverty. >> harris: can ask you, where is the freeloading that senator warren is talking about? i don't understand. when i think of somebody who is free-floating, they are staying at your house and they won't leave after you've said, "hey, next tuesday!" [laughter]

>> mike: it's the same exact rhetoric that they are pulling out here again. they have to attack howard schultz. first of all, he's a white man. so in the world of intersectional politics, those are two since. he's rich white man, so those are three terrible things. and he's reasonable. you can't do these things that cost trillions a year. they will attack them. >> kat: was interesting is cory booker's pretty pro-business, too paid any sports things like charter schools. he's a lot more moderate than we have seen in the other democrats entering the race. so i'm sure he will get hit for those kinds of things. i think it's quite interesting to think about what this will look at it. with the go with somebody aggressively girl is warren in customer somebody less progressive like cory booker? >> harris: was interesting about that, melissa, where cory booker came from in newark, new jersey, he would need to do that in order to get things done. you are listing people out of from different economic periods in terms of him. has background may not be in sick with reddest parties going.

>> kat: pretty moderate. >> melissa: goes back your basic philosophy, of how to get there? it's like what jessica said earlier on. do you think government creates jobs and wealth and is the answer, or do you think that people and industry, and we are response before ourselves? is government the solution or is it often times the problem? the government taxes and creates job, that's antithetical since what we believe. but it's what democrats believe, and we think that howard schultz and steve steve jobs and all te people who have become billionaires, and howard schultz, in his case come from nowhere, have created all e jobs. but that is the heart of america. and that is what we stand for. >> harris: i want to come to you, jessica, but i want us to watch representative omar on raising taxes. >> we could increase the taxes that people are paying. people who are of the extremely

wealthy in our communities, 70%, 80%. we've had it as high as 90%. the other thing that we can do is we can tax corporations. 1% must pay their fair share. >> harris: we have seen others. alexandria ocasio-cortez, seeing these similar things. is this for your party is going customer and 70, 80, 90% custom xp five a moderate tax rate of people earning timely dozier? i would add, there's a pretty popular far left progressive who is also a white man and he has the money, is also. bernie sanders. so it's not just that howard schultz's crime is being a vet demographic. joe biden, as well. i think you will have a big influence on the race if he gets in there. >> harris: that's a good point. if you have there's no question. do cyber clinton get pushed there, as well, by bernie sanders. then she came back more or less to the moderate position for the general election. so it didn't pan out as i would have liked.

i think the most interesting thing happening right now is about health insurance and what happened with kamala harris sync she would eliminate private insurance. it's a bad idea and it almost seems like she misspoke in saying it. the >> mike: she said, "i feel very strongly about it." >> kat: there would be no private insurance if there is medicare for all. she did say she supports medicare for all. that would mean no more private insurance. >> harris: that's how it would turn out. >> kat: a poll last week found that only 37% people support medicare for all, once they are informed and realize that naming the end of private insurance. >> jessica: in countries like england they have both. >> harris: we are tight to space today, so sometimes we may cut in at each other because we are waiting to see the president and the white house. if your watcher, you're wondering, "what's going on?" new div elements in the infamous trump tower meeting during the 2016 campaign. the mystery of her blocked phone calls has possibly been solved. if the reports are true, this

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interest in suppressing a to donald jr. and the trump administration. for more records on the trip to our meeting jr. calling out adam schiff, tweeting, "has anybody heard from adam schiff question rick i imagine he's leaking of information from that committee. but schiff says he won't aunt it, because they want give the phone records. >> is an obvious investigate of step and one that we will take very early on now that we are under way. and that is to find out that donald junior was talking too and that meeting about trump tower. it could've taken place over the phone or by donald jr. walking down the hall to talk to dad. >> melissa: i love just give reading as president trump. [laughter] when you do the tweets, it is my jam. >> jessica: i like to give it millennial vocal five. big deal, small deal, doesn't matter? >> kat: i think if the calls were to dad, that would have been a very big deal.

it's one thing for him to this meeting, which we can all agree is not the smartest move. optimize moves that donald jr. has ever made. it's one thing for him to take the meeting, and another to take it with his father. effort has been said that he is talking with his father, democrats have been talking talking about that a lot as they do should be. but it surprised me that he wasn't. because i'm someone who tells my dad everything. if the boy i liked doesn't text me back, my dad is getting a phone call. >> jessica: or if you are getting some russian info? >> kat: if i were getting russian opposition info, my dad would be definitely getting a phone call. [laughter] it looks like this was not the case. i don't know if it completely vindicates everything, the way the president is saying that it -- it separately a plus for trump. >> jessica: today it came up again that steve bannon, about a year ago, he would have called pretty would have walked upstairs. so do you think democrats now -- i take the elevator, i don't know if you use the stairs and

trump tower. i haven't been invited. >> harris: you can shop there anytime. >> jessica: it's okay. [laughter] do you think this matters in the context of the narrative? or do we have to wait for the mueller report? >> melissa: is also deep down in the weeds. i think the american people are so much more focused on what their family is doing and even who is going to win the super bowl. it just is -- it has gone on for so long. >> mike: thank you, melissa. >> harris: without the evidence will be sought before. i just want to throw this out there. kat, you asked how it all fits in? "newsweek" writes, "democrats have claimed that trump jr.'s meeting at trump tower was the epicenter of russia collusion in the 2016 presidential campaign." >> mike: what was the genesis of the whole thing? the accusation was that donald trump was colluding with the kremlin to steal the election for miller clinton. give me some evidence of that. >> harris: but the so-called

epicenter is wiped away. until the so called, as they might come epicenter of the theory about russia collusion with the campaign -- what do you do when that is at least challenged by the facts? >> mike: what are the facts? >> harris: it was donald jr. talking to two of the people. not instead. >> jessica: i think then adam schiff will still want those phone records, and he will want to talk to the people that donald jr. did call, and say, "we have a kremlin lawyered coming in to talk to us about opposition research." that's where we go from there. but we have to leave this succession. the president says they are all good. his true of unity, whether for media bliss out of proportion. we'll talk about it next. ♪ ensure max protein... to give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you don't. (straining) i'll take that. (cheers) 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar. ensure max protein. in two great flavors.

♪ >> kat: president trump saying media coverage is to blame for an apparent rift between him and intelligence agency leaders, following their congressional testimony to speak about global threats. the president yesterday tweeting a photo of his oval office meeting with intel leaders, writing, "just concluded a great meeting with my intel team in the oval office, who told me that what they said on tuesday at the senate hearing was mischaracterized by the media.

and we are very much in agreement on iran, isis, north korea, et cetera. their testimony was distorted press... "jessica, i heard you sign loudly. >> jessica: it was on tape! can't be distorted if you are just watching it. the media didn't distorted. there was a rift. he goes out all the time and says things that contradict with the intelligence committee says. to his base likes it. that's just the kind of way that we live here. no one -- he could just say, "we are on the same page," and not have to bring up some media distortion part of it. because they were very clear that they assessed the first up and leave them at present is predidn't think isis is defeated. they think iran is complying with the deal. they think north korea isn't denuclearizing. and he's running a different show. >> mike: what you think about the intelligence chief staying on with the president? not quitting, staying with him, meeting with him, and continuing

to serve? >> jessica: absolute should produce serving your country. presidents come and go and it's not about political affiliation. i hope he is reading those briefings and taking them to heart. when we watch something, it happens. >> kat: melissa, some democrats are coming out of think of the relationship between president trump and the intelligence community accounts to national security threat. what do you think about comments like those? >> melissa: i mean, when you go hyperbolic it undermines your whole entire argument. while -- with the president says that we can get out of syria and everything is fine and isis is defeated, a lot of people would disagree with him about fat. and there are a lot of people who he trusts. i think, in fairness, he has listened to those arguments and responded. he has even changed his mind on things. based on the advice that he is given. that makes sense. i can understand people in the intel community being frustrate frustrated, when he goes out and makes statements or announcements on twitter, and

they are frustrated that they disagree you didn't hear about it first. that sort of thing. but it doesn't amount to a national security crisis. when you say that, all, all of a sudden everybody rolls their eyes and kind of the conversation. >> kat: i would tend to agree. when he said something like that, people say, "they are saying terms when and where the! the world has still been here every time they said that. i think we're good." do you think the relationship between the committee and president trump is an issue, ord how it is? >> mike: you want that to be as close as possible. i like your point, it seems that the president has changed his decisions on some things. let's pray he continues to do that. >> jessica: it was chuck schumer who was calling for an intervention. i don't know what that looks like between the intelligence community and the president. i think it's kind of like going big of a primaries. say the most extreme thing, hoping we will get to the 50% line. and maybe that tweets -- at least half of it -- was getting there.

but he is saying, "no, we are on the same page, calm down, we are not getting out of syria, we will still talk to allies. nato, nato, nato, whatever. ">> mike: big spread and become a later! >> kat: guess what, we've

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>> melissa: think you to mike slater, your first time on the couch. what did you think, how did he go? >> mike: ? >> mike: "outnumbered" and outmatched by you ladies! afford between roses. love it. >> melissa: we are back on the couch on monday. now, here's harris.

>> harris: and we have breaking news awaiting remarks in president trump might just two weeks away from another government shutdown. "outnumbered overtime" now come on harris faulkner. you are inside a two-minute warning. i want to get straight to our john roberts they are, chief white house correspondent. because, john, you were in there as the president was speaking. we are awaiting the video. >> i was, he was in the cabinet room with members of the homeland security department talking mostly about human trafficking. at the end we asked him a number of questions on the wall and about whether or not he would declare a national emergency. he doesn't be going down the road toward this idea of a national emergency. he said he would have more to say about at the state of the union address, and this crisis on the border. he feels that the conference committee is going nowhere. that the democrats have decided politically that they don't want to put in any money for a wall because they want to make this about 2020, not about the immediate problems on the southern border, harris. a lot of the president had to say over