>> sandra: he might be with that crowded atlanta airport right now. thank you for the last couple days, good to have you. that's it for us. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> harris: we have a busy hour for you know. virginia's democratic governor ralph northam so far as resisted calls to resign after racist photos discovered in his medical school yearbook. he originally apologize before backtracking the next day and saying he doesn't believe is in the photo. you are watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. first time on the couch, "washington examiner" political columnist and republican pollster, kristen soltis anderson is here. did i not say your -- yes, it's soltis anderson! when you have three names come you got to work them. former democratic senate minority leader capri cafaro.

taking the center seat, chief national correspondent for this, ed henry. "outnumbered." with a man's name, i understand. you have to own it. it's good to see. >> ed: it's so nice to be here. i was inspired by tom brady, the goat, greatest of all time. but adam levine really inspired me. [laughter] >> harris: isn't he on the cover of "the new york times"? >> ed: he did, he took his shirt off. spew when you see tom brady on the far right, right? probably the left on their screen. he actually has a shirt with a number the people care about. maybe that's why. >> ed: the final insult, the patriots win. because if you are a new yorker you are not too happy. congrats to the patriots. rachel, our producer, loves the patriots. congrats. >> harris: we will move on. we will move on with this news. governor northam has called an emergency meeting with senior staffers to talk about his future. a signal that he's looking to weigh support in his administration is evaluate the

options. this, as fellow democrats are pressing him to step down. watch. >> he was completely disingenuous when he talked about that he didn't understand this, 1984, that this was commonplace. he's basically saying that he participated in it. speak out ralph was a good, moral, decent man. he may have made some mistakes in his past. we all have made mistakes. ralph will do the right thing for the commonwealth of virginia. he will put virginia first, and i think that will happen relatively soon. >> harris: the controversy comes just days after northam sparked outrage over his comments in a radio interview defending a late term abortion bill. garrett tenney's life for us in richmond, virginia, and just in the last few minutes i'm getting emails for you on updates. >> yeah, harris. on saturday, ralph northam said he would continue to serve as governor as long as he could do so effectively. with the party of the state and national level calling for him

to resign, that would likely be hard to do. on sunday evening, he huddled with some of his senior advisors to discuss his options going forward. that's according to a source familiar with the talks. this morning he met with his cabinet for the regular scheduled meetings, as well. all of this comes after his press conference on saturday, which was supposed to smooth things over. but northam's explanation for why he changed his story appeared to have only made them worse. >> my first impression is that this couldn't be me, but there was so much hurt that i was feeling, people were calling, so i reached out and apologized to people for this very picture being on my page. last night, i finally had a chance to sit down and look at the photograph in detail. it is definitely not me. i can tell by looking at it. >> democrats in the state legislature are now trying to apply enough pressure on northam to force him to resign. they say even if he isn't in that racist yearbook photo, he

still needs to go. >> the question now is, can you lead to? can you help us heal? given actions he has demonstrated over the past 48 hours, the answer is clearly no. it can't be you and the photograph one day and then it's not the next day. >> democratic leaders are also concerned that if northam doesn't resign this controversy could cast a shadow over the 2020 elections and jeopardize them winning the white house if they are able to win this key swing state of virginia. that is another part of this bigger picture, here. as to why they are trying to get him to step aside and move on. harris? >> harris: garrett tenney, thank you very much. one of the things garrett was telling us, too, is that we will likely hear from the lieutenant governor at some point today, fairfax. but he's going to wait, reportedly, until he hears from governor northam on whether he is stepping up or staying where he is. the former democratic governor,

terry mcauliffe, said, "do the right thing." nancy pelosi said the same thing and i tweet. what does that mean, exactly? >> ed: first of all, nancy pelosi, when it came to this seem governor's extreme positions on abortion last week, she was ducking questions about it because she didn't want to talk about it. when she talks about principles and doing the right thing, i put that on the table as number one. when he was basically defending infanticide. number two, he never going to place as a politician when you're first applying for, "i am either the guy in blackface or the kkk hood." then overnight you say, "no, i know i'm neither of them. by the way, i was in blackface another time eddie michael jackson comedy thing." this is -- he's dead men walking. >> harris: what you were saying, kristen, your defense for not wearing black faces that you were wearing blackface. so my question is, how many times did you dress up in bigoted gear such that they give you the nick nickname "coon man?

"which is underneath his name. >> kristen: the fact that on friday night, when hit with accusations, the response wasn't, "let's take a step, but see what i'm being accused of, and craft a statement." it was to meet lee put out an apology for something he says he doesn't do. why did he have reason to believe that he might have done what he was accused of in the first place? the handling of this from start to finish has been a disaster. >> harris: but we know the answer that question prayed because we know of at least one other picture that might be out there, because he talked about . and that's when he did wear blackface. >> capri: wright, the michael jackson thing. right? we were at least spared the moonwalk. thankfully the governor's wife tamped that down in that press conference. i agree with you, kristen. this entire thing has been handled soap. so poorly. if he had stood his ground the first time around and said, "i'm embarrassed, ashamed, i apologize," maybe he would have had a shot.

it's so disgusting. but then when you walk it back, he is done in the state of virginia. we do have one term governor's in the commonwealth of virginia, so i don't know if that plays into his calculus of whether or not he sticks around. but he needs to go for the sake of the common will as well as democratic party. >> harris: i want to get to this. "new york times," the governor's refusal to resign plunge virginia into political turmoil and created a crisis for national democrats who have a sealed trump for his demagogy on racial issues and have made claim that they cannot abide a prominent party leader associated with emblems of bigotry. i see the thought bubble of your head, i'm going to go to melissa first. >> melissa: i just -- reporters, we are always looking for the story behind the story. i'm a little suspicious about the idea that the conversation moved so quickly onto this and away from what were his own words recorded. that come in and of themselves,

were very shocking and grisly when he was talking about this medical procedure. very quickly, the conversation turned. >> harris: you mean late-term abortion legislation? >> melissa: yes. even worse than that, when he was describing it as words, after the baby was delivered, and resuscitated, make them comfortable. when you discuss what to do. and there was no way around that, because there were no pictures that could have been someone else. that was his own voice, recorded. in the conversation turned to this. i just wonder, has the debate shifted away from that original conversation? was that the intention somewhere in here by someone? >> ed: this is a conversation democrats don't want to have. >> harris: two questions. with what you're bringing up, melissa, he issued one and then a second statement on that. so this is kind of a theme or a trend with, "well, let me find the right way to put this before i get this all together."

so we have already heard multiple already on different things, now. why is it that this pops up at this point? to what melissa is saying, all of it is egregious. all of it is offensive. all of it is in need of many statement of explanation. >> ed: well, "the washington post" had a story suggesting yesterday, i believe, that some of his classmates for medical school were so outraged with the comments that melissa was talking about that essentially he was supporting infanticide, they were so outraged that they leaked this yearbook deal. we don't know. that's one story out there. >> harris: how do you leak a yearbook that's been out there, though? >> ed: it was out there, but not out there. it was available, but ed gillespie who ran against them in governor in 2017 didn't use it. when you said i had a thought bubble overhead, as you were reading the editorial, it was talking about all the democratic parties saying it'll make it look bad on race issues when they want to call president trump a racist. this is someone in ralph northam, who in 2017 was trashing the president about

harleysville and other issues. there were people who ran an ad in support of him that showed a trumpet gillespie supporter in a pickup truck with the confederate flag running to a minor to kids if you want to accuse the president of being a racist, you've got problems. >> melissa: in the meantime, president trump such to deliver the state of the union tomorrow night after a one-week delay due to the partial government shutdown. he said his speech will stress bipartisanship but he will likely face a tough crowd amid the portable standoff and with new house speaker nancy pelosi standing right behind him. "the washington post" reports that in his third primetime address the to the nation, he l call congress to work with him on five key issues. immigration enforcement, protecting u.s. workers by confronting china on trade, rebuilding america's infrastructure, lowering health care costs, and protecting america's national security. the post also reports a senior

demonstration official, reading "together we can break decades of political stalemate, heal old wounds, build new coalitions, forge new solutions, and unlock the extraordinary promise of america's future. the decision is ours to make." kristen, this is a golden opportunity. the president could stand there and make a very big offer. he could talk about border security but he could also say, "why don't we make a dream or security permanent?" he could put something out there that challenges both sides and it looked like the bigger person, and make it very hard for democrats to turn that down. would that be smart? >> kristen: i think any opportunity he has two highly positions he holds at a very bipartisan. it's a huge opportunity. because congress has changed since he last stood in front of that chamber. it's now at least partially controlled by democrats. things that he was able to accomplish over the last two years, reforming the tax code, pointy conservative judges, repealing regulations, those were very sort of republican party wish things.

with a new congress, know things like infrastructure that are not just your public and wishlist things but he actually may be able to get more done with democrats in some ways, that's what i think he needs to be taking this opportunity to talk about. >> capri: same thing on trade. i think this is an opportunity, as you mention. democrats have to be very careful here, because he's going to present this list that i think both democrats and republicans can agree upon. certainly there will be a divergence in how you achieve those goals, but i think it's an opportunity for both democrats and republicans to say, "okay, we're actually going to legislate, do our job, and of democrats are obstinate about this than president trump is in the position to say that if they are unwilling to work, they are still not coming to the table. speech e what about that question rick if you look very reasonable and he put things on the table that everybody would want, would that be a disaster r democrats? how would they counter that, if

he said, "here come the border barrier yes, but smart will and all these other things, plus let's visit immigration paid this is my offer." >> ed: and it was able say. they will say one word, "no." he has tried to work on infrastructure. >> melissa: a few permits under to the country -- >> ed: i agree with you that they could look bad, democrats, but on the other hand he just reach out to them two weeks ago and immigration. made that major address from the white house in the middle of the government shutdown, and said, "look, i will give you something on daca. on keeping people in the country longer." i democrats wouldn't bite. >> melissa: but now the government is open. >> ed: there's another thing. nancy pelosi come the speaker, she has got great power. she said, "reopen the government, and let's negotiate." where's the negotiation? he could have pushed harder on infrastructure a lot sooner, to kristen's point. and everything, and health care. you had that list, rising health care costs.

he talked in the campaign about how he would fix rising health care costs. he did a big chunk of repealing obamacare by taking of the individual made it, but he hasn't followed up. >> harris: i want to follow-up with you, kristen, on the theme give us right then prayed that was what the president should say tonight. just a touch on it, should he say the word "wall? ">> kristen: i don't think so. part of it is because when he talked about border secured it, that's a bipartisan parody. when you talk about giving the patrol agents with a need, reinforcing a couple hundred miles of venting, add some new fencing, that's a sort of thing that will get tested at 60% or 70% or 80% of the polls. the word "wall," if you're talking about a physical barrier to provide border security, love your support just evaporated. let's understand that democrats control the majority of the house. the word "wall" is an unnecessary political impediment to giving these patrol agents what they want on the border. >> melissa: amen to that. president trump delivers his state of the union address tomorrow night. as i mentioned, that's 9:00 p.m.

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>> harris: all right, they have to do it. the negotiations are about to press up against a deadline to reach a deal on border security funding. president trump has gone after house speaker nancy pelosi, saying she is playing political games on the issue. >> she was very rigid, which i would expect, but i think she is very bad for our country. she knows that you need a barrier. she knows that we need border security. she wanted to win a political point. i happen to think it's very bad politics, because basically she wants open borders. >> harris: and, while democrats are not binding on the presidents border wall, texas democrat hendry curry are who is on the bipartisan negotiating committee says they would be open to "an enhanced barrier." because were not going to wall. can we look at some sort of enhanced beer? that's something we can certainly look at. i have to say, living on the border, you have to let the local border patrol chief have the say so in love the local community be involved so they

can come up with maybe some sort of enhanced barrier. >> harris: we have 600 plus miles of enhanced barrier. yes, we can. but they g.o.p. negotiator tells fox news the president could be forced to declare a emergency phone makers can't reach a deal to fund it. meanwhile, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell warned the president against declaring an emergency, saying the risk of losing the support of senate republicans is too high. all this comes with another migrant caravan set to the u.s. border this week. the pentagon set to deploy nearly 4,000 additional support troops to the border. that got announced yesterday. ed henry, the president called nancy pelosi rigid. that's putting democrats and ina tough spot. did they go broke a cancer? >> ed: he makes up your about an

advance period. she's also on that bipartisan panel. she said, "everything is on the table." that suggests a beer, wall, and the number of things. within minutes plus he comes out and says, "nothing, no money." the fact of the matter is, what these rank-and-file democrats say matters very little under these talks. it's about nancy pelosi and the president preaching has been, "no, no, no." will she pay a price? i don't think so, because the base loves it. they love taking on this president. >> melissa: i disagree with you. real quick, before we go. there are two movies going on. the political movie going on between president trump and speaker pelosi, and then there's that bipartisan group that's actually working together to get some things done. when she comes out and says, "not $1 for the wall," i think to myself, fantastic, because that group isn't talking about a wall. talk about aporia. though mike barrier and i was of the stuff. it's logical and everybody seems to grant it. a >> ed: if they can get a consensus, but when the government was still shut down

the row over 30 conservative house democrats write a letter circulating saying they wanted enhanced barrier or wall over it if you call it. it went nowhere because nancy pelosi put her heel on it. >> harris: of the 17 democrats and the republicans, capri, we are finding out for members who come out -- and i've interviewed several of them -- is that they are where we say the compromise is. it's around semantics. it's around this enhanced barrier. i wasn't just kidding right then. we already have this. in fact, part of it is a nancy pelosi state. this getting repetitious, about the fact that a wall exists for 600 plus miles of barrier, of strong line fence. whatever you want to call it. >> capri: and i think that most americans -- and kristen probably knows better at somebody in the polling business -- but i think most americans are supportive of the security. what i think is happening here is there is absolutely a schism between the rank-and-file members in the leadership. i think nancy pelosi is playing

a very strong card to the base of the democratic party. saying, "i don't really care, we won't shut the government down. if you want this, donald trump, you go ahead and issue a national emergency. put that ball back in the court." i don't think is good policy, good politics, because i think they really should follow the recommendations of the bipartisan committee. because that's what government is supposed to work. >> harris: some polling issuing a pretty steep slide now for popularity for speaker nancy pelosi. it's impossible to know exactly where this will end up in terms of that. does that matter politically? >> kristen: any time you're losing populated, it's bad place to be. if you look at president trump's approval, it fell by about a percentage point every week or so as a church i went on. i don't think i've said benefits from the shut down. from a second shut down. they're going to land on something that looks like a duly

been talking about. she's going to come out and say, "i didn't give him a dollar for a while." and president triple say, "wethy give me money to build my wall." they both thought want that political when it will put on different statements about the finger they both agreed to. >> harris: when something does matter, ed, but the presidents base, the one thing that republicans have wanted to protect and access are those people who would support him no matter what. so when he keeps the promise like that, is it a bigger deal for him than nancy pelosi keeping her promise? >> ed: he has to get something out of these negotiations. by the way, we didn't mention the mitch mcconnell part. the reason why mitch mcconnell doesn't want him to go national emergency route is because it will be like when harry reid said, "let's go nuclear on filibusters." barack obama's a great idea, and now he's out of office. you can pull up in your face down the road. if this president goes national emergency and you have a democratic president on the road doing socialized medicine and all kinds of things by executive

fiat, that's a problem. >> harris: but in all fairness, we've seen executive for talk fiat. he's already put forth executive orders. president obama did it at the same time. the family that you are saying r iraq and those were narrow or -- >> ed: big wall, billions of dollars. >> capri: statutory changes. whatever emergency act of 1976 will end up at being amended if there is an overreach. >> harris: we will move on. president trump accusing democrats to move too far to the left, and he says there is no one who can beat him in the growing field of potential 2020 challenges. maybe capri will run! >> capri: no! >> harris: is the president right to be dismissive about those potential contenders and challengers? plus, the president defending his call to bring u.s. troops home from syria and afghanistan. and weighing in on the apparent split with his intelligence officials on the iran threat. we will debate it. stay close.

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president's comments were in stark contrast with the testimony of his top intelligence officials last week at a congressional hearing. but he is tamping down talk of any sort of significant risk. watch this. >> i have intel people. that doesn't mean i have to agree. president bush had intel people that said saddam hussein in iraq had nuclear weapons, had all sorts of weapons of mass destruction. guess what? those intel people didn't know what the hell they were doing. >> melissa: but if these two top senate republicans expressing concern over the president's dismissal of the intelligence chief's testimony. >> is troubling. i think there's got to be a real good conclusion between the president and his director of national intelligence. these are professional people. the people in the front lines, the people who analyze, who gather, and disseminate intelligence information to our

higher-ups. we should respect them. >> melissa: this, as a new of the gun inspector general today releasing a report warning that isis will likely regain some territory in syria as a result of the decision to withdraw troops. kristen, let me start with you. this is one of those interesting times when he looks to be bucking both his own party but also what would be conventional wisdom. is that smart? or does he give his opponents a real opening to go after them? >> kristen: i think it's unlikely that democrat will go after him because, anyway, the idea of bringing the troops home -- this is one of those issues were not the politics are so scrambled from what they would have been about ten years ago. president trump took a position that was very different. 15 against the 60 people that he ran against the president and the republican primary, so we had to bring the party along. i do worry worry about

intelligence community being criticized too much. as a leader he should always be taking thinks critically, looking at them with a critical eye. he is right that there were a miss consolations but what the situation was in iraq. he's not wrong to bring that up. i do think you want the intelligence committee to know that with the work they are doing is valued. they have some free from the commander in chief. some of the president's comments do worry me a little. >> capri: is a pattern, all salsa. people look at how this is a pattern that president trump has criticized or undermined the intelligence committee before. i don't think it's this vast russia and spacey. but he operates on instinct. it's part of his leadership style. somebody doesn't have government experience, and the implications of not listening to the intelligence community are so significant that i wish he would think this through. >> melissa: ed, is that what he's doing? not listening to the intelligence community question records he does not accepting at face value what has always been

the wisdom and drilling deeper on it? in other words, do you feel the intelligence community feels undermined, or do they think someone just won't accept at face value what they say and they need to demonstrate what's going on? >> ed: the american people -- not everyone, but largely they respond to his positions that they did get it wrong, the intelligence community, in the run-up to iraq. that led us to be in iraq for a very long time. spending not just a lot of money but a lot of blood spilled on a war that we were sold on. yes, as kristin said, the republican party has come a long way on that. that maybe he's right about it. and his whole notion of, we can't just take what they are saying at face value and have these endless wars -- we are now in afghanistan going on 18 years. has there been an important sacrifice and important goals? absolutely. i think people in this discussion lose sight of the fact that he was handed in a administration where isis had a huge landmass.

they have not been dropped onto a tiny landmass. he probably should listen to the generals, and listen to lindsey graham and others who are telling him, "don't pull out altogether because you will use those gains." but people forget to give him the credit of wiping isis almost completely out. he needs to listen to the intelligence community and the generals and others to finish the job. >> harris: so, in this new ig report, the pentagon, isis could likely resurge in syria within six to 12 months and regain limited territory. that's a pretty quick time. remember, it wasn't all that long ago but that, i would think for his national advisors, was also paying close attention to intelligence chiefs. because we fired those tomahawk missiles from aboard the uss monterey. i met with some of those men and women who did that work, when they returned home to norfolk, virginia, last summer. you listen to them, when chemical weapons are said to been used. the president does pay attention to this. is it possible that he knows a

few things that he's not sharing? i noticed in the interview yesterday, annexing a previously, can you give us -- maybe not a certain date, but women to pull out? is not going to tell us that. that's what he said in the campaign trail. he's not going to give you any information on when it might happen. did he give away too much? is it too much truth to policy? that's for the american public to decide. >> ed: he's going to keep some troops in iraq in order to be -- >> harris: a counterterrorism pressure point. >> ed: need to keep it that turns against iran. what frustrated him about the intel cheeses they suggested iran is not as big of a threat as he thinks they are. we aren't seeing the secret intelligence we don't know who is right. >> harris: we do know they are killing americans in on the ground inside syria. >> melissa: democrats in the house judiciary committee set to question acting ag matthew whitaker on special counsel mueller's russia probe as president trump will not commit to making the mueller probe -- the mueller report, public.

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♪ >> harris: democrat lawmakers set to question acting attorney general matthew whitaker later this week, after he entered to reporters last week that special counsel robert mueller's investigation may be coming to an end soon. democrats have long raised alarm bells over whitaker's past criticisms of mueller's probe, saying that they made him unfit to supervise the investigation. meanwhile, president trump is deflecting questions on whether the report should be made public, saying that is up to the attorney general. >> totally up to the attorney general. even the mueller report said it had nothing to do with the campaign. when you look at some of the people and the events, had nothing to do with -- >> you wouldn't have problem it became public? >> excuse me. that's up to the attorney general. i've no idea idea what is going

to say. we won a bipartisan pair of senators, richard blumenthal and chuck grassley, have introduced a "special counsel transparency bill come" that would ensure that the robert mueller report is released to congress and the public. kristen, how much to be needed protection for robert mueller based on what we know now? >> i would like to think that we don't need a protection, but it sure does make me feel little better knowing that that -- >> harris: why? >> kristen: if he could support that this report be released so that it not be subject to, "let me read it first and then decide if i want to put it up." i think that in a way protects president trump. if, in the end, the report is not released and it is decided that he was the one not putting it out, then all of a sudden it becomes, what is the president trying to hide? in a way, politically, therefore being out there gives him the ability to push back on things that he thinks is unfair. >> ed: i don't think the president said he had to read it first and decide. i thought he said in the interview to leave it up to the attorney general. >> capri: but he also said, "i don't know what's in it."

i agree, yeah, he said it's up to the attorney general. technically it is. but there is no reason not to have a belt and suspenders approach to this. it's bipartisan effort. i think if we don't have this level of transparency, we have been litigating this in the public, in the court of public opinion, for months. almost years now. in order to put this whole thing to bed, wiens and i was in there. >> ed: remember when democrats met all this time saying that matt whitaker is the worst person in the world, that he would kill the mueller investigation? "we can't have him x" he hasn't done anything. >> harris: but then we saw a read on roger stone. which i've been asking for a better part of the week, how much of that does whitaker know about it? a couple questions we should ask and can ask for the bottom line and all of this is that when it comes to transparency it's going to be rejected. have we seen anything come out of this? >> ed: pieces of intel. in the end, the pressure will be so great for transparency. >> harris: you think not much of it will be redacted?

>> melissa: i think we will see the whole darn thing. because i think there has been so much focus on this, in one side of the other is going to -- >> harris: you think we need legislation to protect it? >> melissa: no. you could, but it strikes me as totally unnecessary. go for the belt and suspenders if you want. i don't see any way we won't see this thing, with all the leaks, with all the interest, and everything else. >> ed: if they hold the bat, somebody >> harris: >> melissah futile posted. >> capri: passed legislation, everybody can see we are taking it out of political hands and putting in the manse of the american people. in america will be able to come around and say, "president trump only release it because he let it and what was in it." you could place the fact -- >> harris: is there any downside to a transference of legislation for getting report out there? >> ed: is it really needed? i've heard for months and months, that the present was shut this down. that is going to fire mueller. now it's that he won't release

the report. this thing has been going out for two years. >> harris: but then we found out that rod rosenstein, the deputy ag, after all that talk with the president, whether he would fire him or be angry with him for saying he might surreptitiously record him trying to enact the 20 for the memento out all that. even though rosenstein has said he didn't do that, so on and so forth, and then he quits for other reasons. >> ed: it's been suggested he will be leaving with the new attorney general is actually sworn in. we are still waiting on barr to be confirmed. >> harris: william barr, the president's pick, who was very good in his professional relationship with margaret miller. >> ed: part of this is because barr and his hearing suggested he was leaving the door open to holding back some of this report. he said we need to see. >> harris: he said based on what is required. >> ed: that should legally suggest that it's up to the discretion of the attorney general. so they don't have to release

anything. >> melissa: rosenstein is the smartest one in the whole mix. notice he hasn't moved, he has gone nowhere. that's my own personal take on this. >> harris: we will move on. president trump giving his opinion on the current presidential democratic field, and zeroing in on the man on the right there. senator cory booker. with the president said, and whether he should be concerned about his 2020 democratic rival. stay close. ♪ reach her health goals! i'm in! but first... shelfie! the great-tasting nutrition of ensure. with up to 30 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals! ensure. for strength and energy. ensure. take your razor, yup. up and down, never side to side, shaquem, you got it? come on stay focused. hard work baby, it gonna pay off.

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>> melissa: more "outnumbered" and just a moment. first let's check in with harris and see what's coming up on "outnumbered overtime," just a few minutes away. >> harris: new information coming together, and a guest counselor to the president, kellyanne conway will join me next hour with a preview of the presidency of the union address tomorrow night. also i will gather some reaction from her to the latest developments on embattled virginia governor democrat ralph northam. as he refuses to resign over a racist college yearbook photo, and more. how much could this controversy be costing the democratic party? kellyanne conway, at the top of the yard. and news of the day that is making headlines over time. back to you. >> melissa: good stuff, thank you. the 2020 democratic presidential field continues to grow. hawaii congresswoman tulsi gabbard if it truly official tr out into the ring this week and after cory booker's announcement

of his candidacy. in massachusetts senator elizabeth warren has teased a big announcement for later this week. she is expected to formally announced her candidacy for president. in the meantime, president trump weighing in on his political challengers, including cory booker. listen to this. >> cory booker announced today that he is also running. there are a lot of democrats. >> he's got no chance. >> why? >> because i know him. i don't think he has a chance. >> who has a chance? >> so far i don't see anybody. i'm not impressed with their group. >> capri, i will ask you from democrat excited. he dismisses cory booker. there was democratic strategist who worked for him who use the word "lazy" to describe them on the campaign trail. >> capri: that's not a good sign. >> he was frustrated by the fact that he didn't put in the work. and this was a democrat who worked with him. do you think that rings true? >> capri: i know a lot of democrats that are not fans of

cory booker. he was, full disclosure from a failed phila stanford olympia so i have met him a number of times. i don't claim to know him or his work ethic, but i do think i have to agree with president trump right now. this field is not going to compete with him. what we are seeing on the democrat primary side -- and this is pretty well-known -- is a very crowded progressive lane of all all these people from elizabeth warren and now cory booker. going further and further to the left. they will cut each other up. we have to remember, this is a delicate game. it's anybody's game. we have to think about who can win the election. you can compete. which means the foot goes through the mid midwest, we need a moderate think alike with the middle of the country. focuses on the economy. written other person is not of this race. b2 kristen, people say that's what it was like last time with us republicans. there was a huge crowded field come all these people. but the different was you didn't have an incumbent you were running against for a second

term. does that make a big difference? or is it like the republicans were there were tons of people out there? >> kristen: there are no reason that you don't give it a try this time, if you are a democrat who wants to run for president. it will be a crowded field, you may as well throw your hat mirroring. >> capri: unless you want to be donald trump. >> kristen: you never know who will catch fire. as we saw it, having a wide field doesn't mean suddenly can't win the white house. to the president's point, where he says cory booker and has no chance, my only statement is i think we should be careful about saying that anyone has no chance. a lot of people said that when a certain men went down an escalator couple years ago. we live in a moment where anything is possible in politic politics. >> ed: barack obama, too. >> kristen: the challenge they will face is that the party has moved to the left of the last decade. back in the mid-'90s, if you ask democrats if they are conservative, liberal, moderate, about equal numbers to liberal or conservative. nowadays conservative democrats

are almost extinct. >> capri: gerrymandering, partially. >> ed: i've heard good things about senator booker terms of his work affect adult back ethic. his moments like "i am spartacus." >> melissa: you lost your microphone. we love hearing what you have to say. six the bottom line is, the i am spartacus moment blew up for senator booker. if you think about the president, he's in his element wins giving people nicknames. he was got a free one with spartacus. but this is shades of 2016. low energy. he defines his opponent. people may think he's in a bad political status right now, but this president, once he has an opponent, is going to be strong. >> melissa: thank you. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. don't go away. ♪

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>> melissa: all right, thanks to ed henry. >> ed: and filling in for shanna tonight. >> melissa: we will check out. kristen, your first run on the couch. what did you think? >> kristen: it was a blast. it's much more comfortable than it looks on television. i feel like i could take a nap

here. [laughter] >> melissa: absolutely! we sort of the politics, we recovered from the super bowl. we love it. we'll be back here at noon eastern tomorrow. now here's harris. >> harris: fox news alert, virginia's democratic governor's resistant growing pressure to step down over a racist yearbook photograph as some even bring up the idea of impeachment. we go "outnumbered overtime" now. i'm harris faulkner. governor ralph northam meeting with his top admin attrition officials today after several hours, days of shifting explanations over a racist photo that appeared in his 1984 medical school yearbook. northam claimed he was not in that picture despite previously apologizing for appearing in that picture. watch. >> i am deeply sorry. i cannot change the decisions i made, nor can i undo the harm that my behavior caused then and today. but i accept responsibility for my past actions