truly amazing. truly bringing joy to a whole lot of people. ruby k, you are tonight's midnight here. most-watched, most trusted, most grateful you spend the evening with us. i will be back at 1:00 a.m. tomorrow for the state of the union. thanks for joining us. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." another twist in the bizarre and revealingry story after the weekend of commiserating with his advisors, he now says he is not one of the men pictured on the 1984 yearbook page wearing black face. at first, he said that one of the men was him. now he says he has no idea who those men are, though he strongly disagrees with their outfits. he joins us to start out. trace. >> tucker, in a meeting with his top staff members, he says he needs more time to clear his

name because he doesn't want to leave office as an "races for life."." his support system has evaporated, particularly within his own party. he initially apologized for appearing in the photo, showing a person in blackface, and another in a kkk costume, although he didn't say which was him. and then he backtracked. >> i will not excuse the content of the photo. it was offensive, racist, and a despicable. when i was confronted with the images yesterday, i was appalled that they appeared on my page. but i believe then and now that i am not either of of the peopn that photo. i took an oath to uphold this office and serve the people of this commonwealth to the best of my ability. as long as i believe i can effectively fulfill that task, i

intended to continue doing the business of virginia. >> so in a twist, he denies being in the blackface photo but admits dressing up in blackface as michael jackson in a dance contest. >> i had the shoes, i had a glove, and i used just a little bit of shoe polish on my cheeks. the reasonse i used a very litte bit is because i don't know if anybody has ever tried that, but you cannot get to polish off. it was a dance contest. i had always liked michael jackson. i actually won the contest because i had learned how to do the moonwalk. >> and northam appeared for a moment willing to demonstrate the moonwalk. now if he doesn't step down, just in fairfax would likely take his place, except fairfax is now facing abuse charges from backck in 2004, though he claims the relationship was consensual.

if needed, the virginia attorney general is third in line to become governor. tucker. >> tucker: thanks very much. well, looking back on it all, the greatest irony of his career is that he got elected governor by claiming the other guy was a racist. race is not an obvious part of the campaign. but they injected it anyway. succeeded in the ugliest possible way. >> ron! ♪ , on! >> is this what donald trump means by the american dream? >> tucker: well, what you just saw was liable.

it was a corporate lobbyist from new jersey to increase nonwhite immigration in the country. but for the purposes of the campaign, he had to be a racist fear not because he really was but because calling him one works. it always works. watch as the robots over at msnbc explain that this is actually, despite what you may think, the products of republicans. it strums false. watch. >> d when did blackface become a thing again? why is it all of a sudden front and center in america again? what's happening closer mike >> i think it has something to do with what donald trump has unleashed. it has to do what is in the reservoir that is underneath our politics i can always be activated at any moment. i >> tucker: the former general of commonwealth of virginia.t. he joins us. thank you very much for coming on.

it seems to me, the last guy in the world to have a hood on. who would be affiliated with an ad like that.de run by an independent group. >> oh, yeah, they didn't back away from that at all. >> tucker: so i hate to gloat over a man as he is being destroyed, and i mean that, but there is an irony here. >> if you're going to weaponized charges of racism where there is no basis. t everyone who knows at gillespie, on both sides of the aisle, knows he is no racist. he isn't bigoted in any way. >> tucker: ed gillespie. >> frankly, i served in the state senate with ralph, he is a very mild-mannered individual. for him to not distance himself from something like that was very personally disappointing, and then you see this from 35 years ago. the blackface and the klan.

he either thought it was amusing at the time, and remember, doug wilder was running for lieutenant governor then. this is not the 1920s or the 1950s. so ralph is hoisted on his own here. and as are some other democrats. >> tucker: what does thatn mean? >> well, kamala harris, when she congratulated him when he won the race. oh, thank goodness virginia has been preserved from bigotry. she was one of the first to throw him over the side when these pictures emerged. of course, this is two days after he made comments that were quite accepting of infanticide. a child born alive -- >> tucker: i am just a bit confused. i have seen the democratic party standby to its credit or discredit, either way, i guess, standby politicians who have been accused of far worse than this, objectively speaking, but it didn't take long for the party to decide that northam was expendable. >> a lot of people are saying that he should resign, they are

saying well, ralph isn't racist. i have known him for a long time. i have never seen a racist bone in hisis body, but with these o, he has to go because he can't govern anymore. and i was on with bacardi sellers. he said if i'm going to keep calling donald trump a racist, i have to call this guy a racist. so they know that they can't back away from this on the left and still maintain their weaponized use of racism, even when it is inaccurate. >> tucker: this should have been my first question. you know him. you do not consider him a bigot personally? >> no, andea i haven't frankly heard of anybody in virginia politics who has said that he is a bigot. they have called -- many of them have called for him to resign because of these pictures that have come out, but none of them have said no, i r have seen himo this. none of them have said that. none of them have said that.

>> tucker: do you think he will stay? >> i do, and part of the reason is not because just in fairfax is under a cloud of sexual assault allegations that appear to be a straight he said-she said, andt" his firt counterattack on it, "the washington post"al themsels came out and said it was false. he has dug himself a hallmark too, and it makes it easier for him to remain in the governor's office, when if they left, they would essentially be importing a sexual assault scandal. >> tucker: the whole thing iss unbelievable. the longest-serving democrat, the longest serving senator, really, in american history was a formerer kkk recruiter. when he died in 2010, then president barack obama heaped praise on his memory. northam is not occupying an important seat. he could be replaced tomorrow.

therefore, democrats are demanding that he resign immediately. watch the latest. >> he needs to resign immediately to stop the pain in virginia, and frankly, around the nation. >> i think that the governor should resign. >> he has lost the authority tog govern. >> i think he should resign. >> should he resign? >> yes. >> he should step down and start his road to redemption. >> he should step down. so racist. there is no place for racism in our government. >> tucker: so far be it for the show to defend ralph northam, and to be clear, who would put that kind of garbage on a yearbook page, but it does nevertheless ask the question when is it okay to forgive the mistakes of others? he is aha man of the left. he try to answer that question in an insightful essay that he wrote. he put it this way. "we've all done things we are not proud of in our past, and our most offensive and obnoxious moments do not encapsulate our

lives, but given the american elite culture that is regressing to a secular culture of old puritanical norms, branded for life, and there are political points to be scored for passing into hellfire," it was not surprising that he was automatically asked to resign. thanks for coming on. >> great to be here. >> tucker: the reason i love this essay, i thought he made a very fair point and that when can we forgive someone? in american politics now. is that impossible? does everyone have to lie? >> ancient religions and science agree on, people's behavior and attitudes do not stay the same over time. people change dramatically. they have certainly changed. no one has said that he is in any way bigoted or racist, so why is this snapshot from 35

years ago being used to totally encapsulate who he is? by the left are jumping on this bandwagon and calling him to resign, they are undermining their own philosophy. we need to let murderers and batterers out of prison, which i agree with, by the way. i do think that they should be rehabilitated. s but someone who did something offensive, obnoxious, stupid anr racist, should therefore be barred from office no matter what he has done the rest of his life. it doesn't make any sense, and they are being totally unfair. >> tucker: so you actually had an example. i wish i had it in front of me, of a felon who is going on to run for office after getting out. and this was an argument against him. it was approved of by the left as an example of redemption. >> this man in texas actually killed a man. and a number of left wing said it's great that he is running for office because it shows that someone can turn their life around, redeem themselves cured im the way, i don't disagree

with that. but at the same time, they have gone after 15-year-old teenagers on the mall who may have made inappropriatein gestures. they are creating much stronger behaviors. 1 out of 3 black children in thn state of virginia are living in poverty. why isn't that the national crisis or emergency? why is that photo from 35 years ago the emergency? >> tucker: exactly. maybe because i don't feel like changing the structures that are destroying children. speak honestly, a lot of them don't. i have worked in and around the democratic party, and i think a lot of them are not convinced that that is the main priority. >> tucker: so they focus on symbolic crimes, rather than actual crimes. >> because the reality is, for instance, kirsten gillibrand was one of the people who toldas northam to resign cute she was a corporate lawyer for philip morris for four years when the clinton administration was seeming big tobacco. she helped an industry that killed millions of people. she is out here saying that what b6 did was inexcusable.de

and she -- something symbolically wrong, she defended in an industry that was actually killing people. if we actually focus on the substance of policy, these are the people who should be apologizing and making amends. he should not resign. it would create a terrible norm. we would be searching the tweets and facebook likes of every kidy for 20 years, trying to find something racist. he should make amends, he should apologize, and then he should pursue politics to improve their lives. that is what he should do. >> tucker: you are welcome on the show anytime. thank you for that. there was a brief window between the moment he publicly endorsed infanticide and the day that reporters found klan hood. he held a press conference to explain why he supports abortion. familiar, who funded so many democratic campaigns. but buried in the slogans was something genuinely revealing.

here is what ralph northam said. "we believe that reproductive freedom leads to economic freedom." freedom. you have heard thatm word countless times from pro-choice politicians. the argument is that abortion is liberation. abortion sets you free. none of that is true. the closer you get, the more obviously false it is. at best, and abortion is a deeply sad thing. ask anyone who's had one. so why does our ruling class keep pushing abortion on the country? well, ralph a northam just explained it as clearly as anyone has. abortion leads to economic freedom, he says. it brings prosperity. almost everyone in coastal america believes this as a matter of faith. but when chelsea clinton once explained the reasoning here in some detail. "american women entering the labor force from 1973-2009 2009d three and a half trillionn dollars to our economy. it is not disconnected from the

fact that roe v. wade became the law of the land in january 1973." in other words, abortion boosts markets. it frees women from the tiresome demands of motherhood and allows them towh fulfill their higher duty, which is to corporations. childless women make more beautiful, obedient workers. they can work longer hours. they take less time off, they are loyal to the company first. this is all great for gdp. chelsea clinton and the rest of the investor class strongly approve of it. stop breeding and get to work. that's how they feel. how ingrained is this attitude? here's how "the new york times" describes attitude about the japanese economy just this past weekend. "japan needs moms in the workplace, but many are stuck, shouldering most of the bread and at home. "limited roles. that is how "the new york times" describes motherhood. and from the perspective of private equity, they areha righ.

having children may perpetuate the species, it may add meaning to your life, but it won't boost the stock price. it does nothing for shareholder value. as an economist at the united nations put it, and it is on their website right now, when more women to work, economies hgrow. well, that means that when women decide to have and raise kids, economies shrink. so from this perspective, motherhood is shelf selfish ch. mush. get to work here two yearsni ag, they called for the government to ban stay-at-home moms. they should be in the workforce, adding to the bottom line. so this is the real reason our elites who enthusiastically support abortion. it doesn't set you free. it will make mute happier, but itit will make companies more profitable. that is what matters most. pro-choice means pro-corporate. whatever else he has done, ralph northam has made that clear.

well, the media have made it very clear over the last week that they are very upset about ralphto northam is yearbook pho. they don't care about infanticide. we will talk about it more after the break. chicken?! chicken. chicken! that's right, candace-- new chicken creations from starkist. buffalo style chicken in a pouch-- bold choice, charlie! just tear, eat... mmmmm. and go! try all of my chicken creations! chicken!

♪ >> tucker: will come of the press spends most of the weekend telling you more than he wanted to know about a 35 euros yearbook photo, which was offensive that appeared on ralph northam's yearbook page.

that is the only thing that he did in the last week that was newsworthy. he supported killing children after they have been born. here's how he reacted when a guest inconveniently brought that i. >> you kind of didn't exactly report what happened this week when i think it was quoted that the lapsed abortion restrictions. this was basically a bill that literally allows, almost literally allows an abortion up until the time that you cut the umbilical cord. >> that is -- that is what came out this week. i don't want to get into the meat of it. >> i would make the case that that was an even worse offense on this picture. >> okay. >> let's talk about it. >> no, no. >> we are going to talk about the issue of racism. i know you would like to divert the issue to a conversation that is more comfortable for you, about abortion or something. >> tucker: but the real crime is -- mark steyn, best-selling

author. probably the greatest person on tv. he joins us tonight. so what do you make of this? >> it is actually surreal. the position is that she is totally cool with partial birth abortion, but she just doesn't want a guy in blackface doing it. she's got nothing against the governor's proposal for infanticide. she just doesn't want him singing nanny when he's down there. this is actually encapsulating the real problem, i would say, with public discourse in our society, that we always prioritize the trivial over the difficult questions. and it's precisely because the abortion issue is so huge and real that we would rather leap back to a 35-year-old yearbook picture and talk about that for the next two weeks. >> tucker: it's interesting because one of the guests in the clip that we just watched set exactly the opposite of what you

observed, meaning that the opposite is true. he said let's get back to it. you don't want to talk about something uncomfortable like klan hoda, you want to get something that is comfortable, like infanticide. it is very i'm comfortable to talk about blackface on the yearbook page. everyone is against it. no one is defending it. it never occurred to me to defend it. why would you? it's awful. so it's not even a conversation. it's like group affirmation that we all think it's bad. were not even talking about that, are we? >> well, in a sense, it is a kind of menstrual show. and it shows where it is kind of putting on a show about being concerned about black people. for example, abortion. black women account for -- i think it's somewhere between the 35-40% of all abortions. in new york city, more black babies are aborted then born.

so if you actually take the black community seriously, that is a huge question. and it is much more relevant than some guy putting on klan hoda for his stupid yearbook photo. >> tucker: let me ask you a question. so, more african-american kids in new york are aborted then born? if you thought that was a good thing, and you push to make it easier, would you be for or against black people? simple question. >> well, i think you are against black people. you mentioned the japanese baby bust, which is what is going on in japan at the moment. japan is a nation that is going out of business because they don't have enough babies. here, if you are in favor of black people, if you like black people, if you think you really want to be affirming about the black community, why are you in favor of something that actually

will ensure that the black community diminishes as a proportion of american population? this is because abortion is the central sacrament of the democrats these days, and so this menstrual show routine, where everybody gets annoyed about stupid action jokes or wants to tear down someone hundred 50-year-old statue, this actually, this political scene l serious debate. >> tucker: that's right. the approved conversation is a distract from the front of her conversation. >> yes, absolutely. >> tucker: we are being totally manipulated. >> absolutely, tucker. >> tucker: mark, thank you so much. more scary news from russia on nbc news. which agent of the kremlin has the hard-bitten shoe leather reporters at nbc news smoked out of hiding tonight?

glenn greenwald joins us after the break to tell us. ♪

>> tucker: video has >> tucker: video has emerged of the brazen ms-13 murder that happened in broad daylight yesterday. it shows a group of men brawling on a crowded platform. then one of them repeatedly opens fire. we warn you, the video is awful. the alleged shooter is in custody tonight. police say he is a 26 rolled ms-13 member with previous arrests and without them or do you just saw was related to gang violence in the area. as the police say, talking heads on tv say, the whole thing is fake. none of this is happening, and you are a racist if you think otherwise.

while, you may have noticed, we are undergoing a kind of religious revival here in w washington. not the old-fashioned tented kind of thing, the modern version or climate policy takes the place of the eucharist, and member of congress from san francisco where is the pope had. no less fervent. watch nancy pelosi issue her final decree on the ethics of border walls. it is swift and final. >> wall is an immorality. it's not who we are as a nation. the wall is an immorality between countries. >> the wall in my view is an immorality. >> tucker: and morrow. that is the final word from the high church of progressive liberalism. do they know about this in the holy land? apparently they don't because just yesterday, israel, america's closest ally in that region, started construction on a massive new wall. it's 20 feet high. it will be made of galvanized steel. it is going to be built directly

on top of an existing underground wall. officials in israel say the new wall will connect to another wall that will extend right into the mediterranean. that means that it prevents migrations from the sea as well. once all of this is done, the gaza strip will be entirely surrounded bynd walls. israel expects toea finish by te end of the year. they have a similar barrier with egypt. cutting the number of african migrants to an almost 15,000 in 2010 to a total of just 146 years later. that some wall. hass anyone told archbishop nancy pelosi about any of this? will she denounce israel as a moral? someone not to ask her that question and keep asking until shent answers. while, the media have been telling us about all kinds of russian conspiracies for over two years now. that's a pretty simple model. you a person or a group who you don't like who are saying things that you disagree with, then you build a narrative that ties them

to russia. the latest example comes as a previous example has come from nbc news. nbc news is smearing a presidential candidate tulsi gabbard as a kremlin favorite. basing the story on the so-called experts, a group recently caught fabricating russia stories on the behest of the democratic party. the very first to point this out as he joins us tonight. i'm glenn, summers for us you would what looks like a hit by nbc news on tulsiar gabbard. >> they claimed in a headline that one viral that she was the kremlin's favorite candidate. one of the reporters who wrote the story tweeted that the kremlin has a crush on tulsi ougabbard. something that if it were about a democratic favorite would be to announce, not just as racist, but also a sexist. the democratic party has this maniacal obsession with russia.

if you try and debate anything with them about the war in syria or the ongoing viability of na o or troops in afghanistan, they just start babbling about the kremlin and vladimir putin and accusing you of being a russian agent. it is kind of like a neural malfunction or mania at this point. doing this to tulsi gabbard, she was a democratic star just four years ago when she was first elected, msnbc said "the first asian woman elected to the democratic -- the senate, the house in u.s. history. she's an iraq war veteran, on the fast track to fame." they made her a chairwoman of the democratic committee, now they are smearing her as an asset of the kremlin, using extremely dubious journalistic tactics for which nbc has become notorious on behalf of both the cia and the dnc. >> tucker: what's so interesting is all of these smears comport precisely with neocon orthodoxy, and it seems like tulsi gabbard sin was

violating it. or my reading too much into thi this? >> in 2014, and you can go google this, there is an op-ed by someone who was trying to tack neocon for a long time, saying it was clear that there was antiwar sentiment in the republican party, and they were migrating back to the democrats. especially the excitement over hillary clinton being the nominee in 2016. neocon foreign policy. supported the regime change, the war in iraq, she was highly critical of obama for not doing more in libya, for not arming anti-russian factions in the ukraine. they love filler clinton, and they were migrating back to the democratic party, said democrats have become reunited with neocon's. so anyone who deviates from the agenda, whether on the left or on the right instantly gets accused of being an asset or a

stooge of the kremlin. end of that is what they did. nbc relied on on a firm that just got caught six weeks go fabricating russia data. they got kicked off of facebook for doing it, and that was nbc's leading "expert" for claiming that the kremlin is now favoring tulsi gabbard. >> tucker: that is unbelievable. it is a pretty obvious tactic. thank you very much for that. appreciate it. >> hey, tucker, thanks. >> tucker: seems like the kind of disease that doesn't exist anymore. except for an undeveloped parts of the world. but no, it's in los angeles now. we have details after the break.

>> tucker: it's happening with relat >> tucker: well, it's happening with relatively little notice. almost none.oi but the u.s. is quietly going broke. it is real. the congressional budget office just released their forecast for the federal budget.di economist there predicting a deficit of 897 billion. it is far above the $500 billiom deficit of the george w. bush years i generated so much alarm at the time. remember those? well, getting close now to the

trillion dollar deficits ofst obama's first term. the differences those came in the wake of the worst recession in decades and the wars were still running at high intensity. the national debt, most significantly, at the time was less than half of what it is right now. so why is all of this happening in 2019? it shouldn't't be. they tell us our economy is in strong shape. our leaders say that we are so rich we can give free health care to illegal aliens. no problem. these are boom times. but if that's true, then why aren't we running a surplus? the national debt is $22 trillion. it is bigger than our annual gdp. what do i you think is going to happen if there is another market crash? or if suddenly we have to find another war, if the democrats succeed in pushing us to war with russia, for example. if we are this underwater doing a peacetime boom, imagine what things could look like when something goes wrong. and it inevitably will.

and life, something always goes wrong. sometimes you can predict what it will be. interest rates, for example. our current debt scheme works, they amount to 370 billion. that is about as much as our entire budget for medicaid. once interest rates go up, and they will, that figure will explode. at that point come your tax dollars won't go to roads or health care or seal team six fear they will t just go to interest payments. you will get nothing in return for that. only the bankers will benefit. both parties not to be very worried about this. neither party seems to be. they assume that they will be long gone when the bill comes due. they will be living in florida. and that is usually right. but this time they are wrong. this is on the long-term crisis we use to talk about. it's happening right now as we watch. changes to the economy, california was once america's richest day. it was a mecca for americans seeking good weather.

things have changed. how much? there is an outbreak in los angeles. it started in a homeless community that has transformed into an epidemic. it is spread by rats and fleas and the streets of downtown los angeles. one city prosecutor in l.a. says that she contracted typhus from fleas living in her city hall t office. that tells you a o lot. our medical correspondent. he joins us tonight. dr. siegel, typhus doesn't seem like the type of thing that we would have a problem within this country. >> you wouldn't think so. good evening. it is ancient, but we are seeing it in los angeles because there is 55,000 homeless in los angeles county because of the terrible housing crisis. to give you an idea what this is like, there are typhus sounds. city blocks where 4,000 or more people live where storm drains are used for human waste, where there are piles of garbage, rats roaming through thee streets, ad

people who are on the city streets, spreading fleas, which then bring typhus, which is a bacteria come into the body. the homeless don't have any way to get get a treat it. no antibiotics. the solution would be getting rid of the rats, getting rid of the garbage, finding places for these people to live. >> tucker: so typhus is a disease that is spread through filth and disorganization. two things that we thought that we had been conquered. >> and rats, which have been around since the bubonic plague. to give you an idea how horrible this is, that city hall official that we are talking about, talked about a headache so severe, it felt like tides were going through her head. she had high fever, muscle aches. and a bad rash. very, very bad disease. we can treat it, but it's a terrible thing to be afflicted with. it is spread because of garbage, rats, and fleas. all things you would think los angeles could take care of. of course, big business has left

los angeles. they don't have anywhere to stay. what is interesting about the homeless, they don't have shelters to go home to at night. you would think oh, beautiful weather, but when you have no were to use the bathroom, you are using a storm sewer, you end up spreading disease. >> tucker: it's really -- it's unbelievable. dr. siegel, thank you very much for that. >> good to see you, tucker.5t >> tucker: well, today is the 15th birthday of facebook. happy birthday, facebook. theth social media company has transformed life in this country. not always for the t better. author of thek new book. he joins us tonight. thanks very much for coming on. so, standing back after 15 years of watching facebook, what's ebbeen that company's effect on our country? >> you know, when we started out, it was really a beautiful thing. us to connect with people that we didn't see very often, been. it was all babies and puppies

and really fun stuff. once they built a business model, they took the notion of advertising, this idea that the people who are watching are not actually the customers. they took it one step further. they went to this really invasive surveillance. they went to this idea of manipulative technologies. and as thehe result is that nowe are thee fuel. this was a fine company. i think these are good people, but the reality is they have completely lost perspective. and in their success, they have accumulated a political power that is unchecked, and there isa really no accountability for what they do. it's time for us to step back of people and recognize this is not a right or left issue. this is a right or wrong issue.n frankly, we can all be on the same side. you don't want to hurt kids. you certainly don't want to her privacy. >> tucker: was interesting, you have written about the differences between facebook. also google. the platform companies.

the traditional industrial company that really didn't build the country. g.e. give us a sense of the scale. >> here's the thing. on terms of rocket capitalization, they got to levels that none of those companies ever did. but instead of employing a million people, they employ tens ofch thousands of people. so the issue is that it goes and disrupts the industry, the part that they forgot about traditional economics is that when you do that, you're supposed to rebuild and find places for everybody, and they haven't done any of that, right? i understand the notion of hay, we can make this huge return, and we don't have to bury any of these costs, but the fact is, somebody has to appeared in the chemical industry,he we decided when you leave toxic waste, you have to clean that up. that is what wend have to have with facebook and google. they have effectively acted eminent domain. they said we on this, even though it is yours. andoi that is wrong. what they are doing with it is

causing long-term harm to little children. you and i have talked about the you know, this-- really predatory stuff with kids. the bullying that takes place on instagram. it's not because the people of facebook, google, and instagram are bad people. the real problem is that there is nobody there who was telling us hang on, guys. there has got to be a limit. you have to take responsibility. i think it's time for us to step up and do this. my goal is very simple. i still own stock in facebook. i was involved early, and i feel i have a responsibility to fix this thing. i can't do it by myself. all ii can do is call attention to it. but well come of the users, we have power. we have the power to make our politicians step down. that is what i'm trying to do. >> tucker: let me ask you a question. a lot of media companies, new media have been shedding employees. one of the main reasons for that is that it is impossible to make money, to be profitable with digital advertising because it

is a duopolyol controlled by facebook and google. you almost never see that story written. why aren't a journalist writing about what is actually happening to their own countries? they are being strangled by the own -- >> the thing i can tell you is that i totally agree with you. one of the problems in the current version of the market economy that we run is that there are a lot of things that really matter. things that matter to democracy, things that matter to you -- civilization. the market doesn't want to pay for. one of those things right now ib journalism.ud facebook and google controlled the audience, so they get to control the terms under which any journalist or organization reaches. all of the money for us, none mfor you. t that doesn't work. so my great hope is that one of the things that comes out of this is that we are going to see local journalism in particular find ways to makee m sure that school board meetings and at town halls have the proper coverage soo that people know what's going on in their community. >> tucker: well, i agree. >> one of the reasons journalism

is so bad is because it is falling apart as an industry. roger, thank you so much. > thanks for having me on. i hope people read "zucked." we have a lot more power than we realize. >> tucker: good to see you. take care. there was a little bit of drama last night at the super bowl. the national football league some security guards to remove a clear and present threat. who was it? he was dragged from his seat during the super bowl. but he had persistents. he is here to tell us what happened. just one free hearing test at

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♪ >> tucker: dave portnoy of barstool sports has been one of the only people in sports media, really one of the only, to take on nfl commissioner roger goodell, to do it sincerely and persistently, and he has been punished for it. portnoy was banned from all nfl events. last week, he was arrested and forced to leave an nfl press day after he showed up with credentials under another name and a fake mustache. last night, security passed out pictures keep him out of building. he got in, located, and ejected from his seat by force during the halftime show. s he was once again in his fake mustache. shwatch. >> [shouting] [bleep] [bleep]

[crowd booing] >> tucker: dave portnoy looking none the worst for wear. he joins us tonight. the most amazing description i read in a long time wasr. a piee about you right before the super bowl, and the former head of the nypd, who is not running security for verizon said, we have been told to give this man out. he was asked, why? what's wrong with dave portnoy? and the answer was celebrities don't want him there. is that grounds to keep a man out of a public place because celebrities don't want it? >> and by the way, i think celebrities like me. i think that was a lie to begind with. >> tucker: [laughter] >> i would say no, that is not grounds. that article said they were looking for terrorists, sex

portnoy. looking for terrorists, sex traffickers and dave portnoy. those are the three guys they said they were looking for at the super bowl. >> tucker: we talked about this ahead of time. and even in my wildest imagination i never thought that roger goodell would be dumb enough to have youut pulled out on camera in the middle of the halftime show. why? >> i told you he was dumb as a rock last week but even i didn't think he was that dumb either, tucker. i have no idea. i wasn't making a scene. i paid $5,000 for my ticket. the guy next to me paid $5,000 for his ticket. we were paying customers. they told us -- i can't believe that they actually did it. i don't know how they found us. we were just enjoying the game. i noticed around halftime the security started circling around me. we went to our seats and i said, you know what? if they come for me, i'm going limp. i will make them drag them out of here. we had more social news than the nfl themselves. my name was tweeted fifth out of everybody, players, not players, everybody. this idiot keeps giving us publicity.

i cannot believe how dumb, how thin-skinned he is -- and by the way, tucker.en i went to the patriots post party after.pa i was invited by the krafts. the nfl tried to kick me out of that, too. front.ought me to the so many patriot fans, they started booing, and the security was like, uh-oh, we havend a problem here. called up the nfl and i believe the guy's name is tom hunt. he has a very intimidating resume. they said, we got to let this guy stay or else we have a riot. i don't know what it is with this goodell guy. this is the type of guy now keep in mind, his wife had a fake twitter account to defend him. so he is that thin-skinned.e he makes $40 million a year and he is worried about a patriot fan just watching the game. it's insane. >> tucker: it was, by the way, the most entertaining thing to happen during the halftime. this was the highlight. for those viewers tonight who missed the super bowl or t missed its significance, as a man from boston, from the hub yourself, tell us why this was not just a victory in a

football game, the sixth for the new england patriots, but why it was a moral victory for this country? >> well, you got to appreciate greatness, tucker. great to finally see the good guy, the right guy, win. and if you listen to the crowd at the end, when roger goodell was handing the trophy -- now, keep in mind ite was already injected i was in jail and they threw me into the street with three minutes to go i watched the replay.he the booing, the booing, we booed roger goodell into the next county. that is what this country is about. the bad guy should always lose. this case it's roger goodell. >> tucker: speaking of that -- and i'm not a good journalist. this should have been myat first question to you tonight. i want the camera to pull out a little bit. what is on your shirt? >> that is a roger goodell's face and he's wearing a crown nose. we sell these shirts. the coach of the lions s wore this shirt off the plane when the patriots won three years. sean payton, he wore this shirt in his press conference because he hates goodell.

everybody hates goodell. this shirt has been the sign of rebellion because you can't speak publicly or else he will punish you. p he will forcefully remove you even when you paid $5,000 to attend the game. he doesn't care. so not a lot of people will speak up. not a lot of people will take the punishment. i will. but this shirt now has become the sign of rebellion. we had 70,000 of these at foxborough. we handed out towels and every fan had it when goodell showed up for the first time. he is well aware and very thin-skinned, but i'm not going anywhere. like a game of chicken right now. we are both looking at each other and i don't know how this story ends because he e doesn't seem to care andes neither do i. >> tucker: i think you are winning. >> so far. >> tucker: you speak for millions of us, as you do. dave portnoy, the bravest. man in media. congrats by the way. >> thanks. big win. >> tucker: wow. i can't believe the hour is over. we will be back tomorrow night, 8:00 p.m., the show that's the enemy of lying,p pomposity, smugness, and

groupthink. and as, by the way, that segment was going on we had a little security breach here in the studio. an unexpected guest snuck in, sitting at the anchor desk, sean hannity, ladies and gentlemen. >> sean: i don't have any issues with the nfl commissioner roger goodell, this is about opinion. why do you kick a guy out just because he doesn't like one person? >> tucker: he has your face with a bozo nose on. >> tucker: my face? >> sean: not yours. goodell's face. >> sean: i thought they could have handled kaepernick better. beyond that he was a height. my son loves barstools. >> tucker: everybody does.ak >> sean: it was like a right of passage for my son. i have done nothing. >> tucker: my wife loves it, it's that good. >> sean: good to see you. welcome to "hannity." much breaking news tonight we will cover a huge and damning development from the deep state. it's leaning oh right into the office of the special counsel robert mueller to the rise of the radical left. we are getting all of this tonight. we begin though with our