the car and don might commonwealth of virginia. >> sandra: we will continue to follow all that. it's been a big morning. the morning after the state of the union address. think of it during a service money. we'll see you back your tomorrow. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> harris: we will pick up on the breaking news now. controversy in virginia escalating. the state attorney general, democrat mark herring, now says that he too wore black face to a college party back in 1980. herring is number three in the state behind governor northam, and then-lieutenant governor justin fairfax is embroiled in controversy, too , for gang controversy of assault. ralph northam is still clinging to power after being asked to resign. he is reportedly hired a private investigator to identify the people of the picture. virginia's attorney general just released a statement. "although the shame of the moment have sought to be for

decades, and though my disclosure of it now pains me immensely, what i am feeling in no way compares to the betrayal, shot, and deep pain that virginians of color may be feeling. this conduct is in no way reflective of the man i have become in the nearly 40 years since." pete, i say the word "also" because we know that northam has said it wasn't him and that your book photo, after saying that it was, and apologizing. but to the actually wear black face or bigoted garb on another occasion? to honor, somehow, as he says, michael jackson? >> pete: eventually that fact would come out. so you could deny it, but he found out that later on you actually had done that at a party, impersonating michael jackson, and i've got a double whammy. so you try to clear at one time. we don't know, but that's likely what's happening. i'm guessing this attorney general is getting out front of a revelation that, indeed, he did wear black face

in 1980. >> harris: also started, leslie, with northam's comments about what the president has called "super-late-term abortion." he was on the radio show, he issued a secret to clarify that, and then another statement. and somebody did some sort of a deep dive and picture started coming up. what does this mean for the democratic party in virginia? >> leslie: well, right now i think the democratic party is having a "come to jesus" moment with some of the past. whether it's 30 or 40 years ago, with individuals specifically right now on state of virginia, over issues of race. at first, if you remember, the governor came out and said, "that was me in the photo." lemme tell you something -- i was one of the first no caps to come out on this network, on "special report," saying that he should resign. and this is why. it's not just because he admitted he was one of the people in the photo at first. he picked the picture that went on to that page. the school, the yearbook that did it, like in some schools.

approximately a quarter of the voting population of virginia are african-american. there are other people of color in minority groups in virginia, as well. i feel the people need to decide, in addition to republicans and democrats in politics, they are asking them to step out and there clearly saying that he must step down. >> harris: i would point this out, too, katie. the original comments about late-term abortion where what got the focus on him. it was becoming politically complicated for democrats in several states where that is being talked about. the way that he forensically described a newborn baby, the discussion that would be had away from that child about whether to end that life. and we don't have to interpret or guess about that. those were his comments. he felt they were strongly enough, if you will come out refuted in terms of the public. and then being actively upset about it, that he needed to issue several segments. more than one. >> katie: yeah, and the left is very out of touch when it comes to even pro-choice around

the country who don't believe that late-term abortion is acceptable. but back to the news of the day, which is mark herring admitting that he wore black face 1990s. he said this was a one-time occurrence that he takes hold responsible before, and that in no way reflects the man he has become in nearly 40 years of life. okay, i'm willing to accept that all three of these democrats -- by the left standards, they should be fired, run out of town, resign, never have any other job ever again. that's the standard they have set. i'm willing to say, "okay, you made some mistakes, he did a horrible thing, you are apologizing for it now. america is a very forgiving country. people get through things, and forgiveness is something that is offered to public officials." but the problem here is that democrats and virginia have been accusing republicans, and ed gillespie who ran against ralph northam for the governorship, who barely lost, of being the exact thing that they wear. and they haven't apologized to ed gillespie. they haven't apologized to the foot is for lying about it and

not disclosing it. for them to continue to use race as a weapon against republicans where it does not belong, that's on them. so we can either offer give each other and move on or we can continue this back and forth over whether you should be run out of town or forgiven or whatever. but if democrats continue to use it in an unfair weight against her republicans with no evidence to back it up, and here we are with people admitting it and photos and kkk garb, and yet there is no consequent support. >> harris: typically when you see an admission of this level, it's because someone is trying to get out in front of something. we don't know what that could be, whether they were other people at that party, if there are pictures of this, or whatever. i would say this -- melissa, as we look at this in total, keeping in mind what katie just said, a lot of this has to do with who is allowed to be right about these issues and who is not. politically. and it's confusing sometimes. like, if it's wrong, it's wrong, it's wrong. >> melissa: yeah. so, this whole series of story

hits on two things that i really hate about politics. i think a lot of our audience probably feels the same way. the first is what you said -- hypocrisy. when you hold someone to a standard that you can't live up to on your own. so this is something where all these things keep servicing, the background, and like you said, they have thrown "racist" as other people and they have a solution going on. it's not that things weren't different or were not different that many years ago. they are so quick to yell "racist" and" it appeals. and the hypocrisy this smacks up to me, i wonder about everyone's ulterior motives. here we are, we have kicked through the top three people in this state. the number four in line is the speaker of the house, who is a republican. >> harris: kirk cox, speaker of the house of delegates in the state of virginia. by the way, just couple of days ago he had already issued a statement calling for the resignation of governor northam. so here he is, it would be lieutenant joe governorate jusn

fairfax. and we know what has gone on with him, sexual assault allegations. attorney general mark herring, we have just heard about. and speaker of the house delegate, kirk cox. >> melissa: the way this is going, he may have something to admit on his own. doing these people are falling by the wayside. i say that half jokingly, but kind of not really know that we've seen a whole bunch of people. i wander in the same way that you asked the question about the beginning, the conversation shifted rather conveniently away from the through the grizzly description of what many people would continue infanticide, it shifted to this other conversation. i wonder, too, as you see all these people falling by the wayside. i don't want to not acknowledge that he changed in party, as all this happens. that would be something -- >> harris: we will go deeper into this because the news continues to develop on it. we want to hit this fox news alert as well. reaction from some democrats now rejecting resident trumps appeal for unity in his first state of the union speech before a divided congress.

the president called for washington to break political stalemate. spot like his historic job gains. and he brought the chamber to its feet, recognizing the second man to walk on the moon, while vowing to send americans back to space on american-made rockets. watch it. >> we are joined by one of the apollo 11 astronauts, who planted that flag -- buzz aldrin. [cheers and applause] no one has benefited more from our thriving economy than women. [applause] we must reject the politics of revenge, resistance, and retribution, and embrace the boundless potential of cooperation, compromise, and the common good. [applause]

>> harris: but the president did not back away from key parts of his agenda, including calls to restrict late-term abortions, rejected socialism, and build a border wall on the southern border. >> most of the people in this room voted for a wall, but the proper wall never got built. i will get it built. [applause] i am asking congress to pass legislation to prohibit the late-term abortion of children who can feel pain in their mother's womb. [applause] tonight, we renew our resolve that america will never be a socialist country. [applause] >> harris: and then first

thing today, democrats going after the speech. >> he did it for his base. that was a job won for him. >> you cannot give a speech where you talk about unifying end than all the emphasis on the speech is divisiveness. that won't fly. he was sort of like dr. jekyll and mr. hyde, but he was much more enthusiastic about the mr. hyde role. the one pete hegseth, how did he do? >> pete: i thought he did a fantastic job. i thought he reach the exact audience he wants to reach. basically, to ignore that room. they have already made a decision about what they want to do. speak the camera, to those americans really get a few moments to dial-in. he dials and on the core themes he wants to hit. not just now in this legislative session, because a lot will get done, but moving into 2020. >> harris: he says what he would want and what america should want. nothing is ever perfect. what would you have liked to have heard that you didn't? >> pete: he could have laid the gut went down a little more on exactly how the while funding is going to happen. there wasn't an ultimatum

delivered there. >> harris: you think that is still a sticking point, that mexico isn't paying for the wall? >> pete: he would say they are through other means, and other people would say they aren't. i don't think it's a mistake to not have done that. that my resume in the details, what everybody would be talking about today. i love the line, "america will never be a socialist country." and the democrats kind of golf clapping that. "maybe it will, i don't know." >> harris: they were at couple of times, katie, where it must've been challenging for democrats. because you just want to sit and be stoic if something doesn't touch you. but when they got to suffragettes in that white everybody was wearing, that thoe women jumped. >> katie: they were dancing! i love the fact that he got the women who were part of the women's march to get up and cheer because he was reaching across the aisle. >> harris: usa. >> katie: and then chanting "usa!" and saying, "look, clearly we disagree. a lot of he ran for office because you want to oppose made congress into oversight and whatever." in the funniest part is when he said, "don't sit down yet,

you're going to end like this next thing!" i agree with what pete said, when he said that america was born independent and not by government coercion. we were born free and will remain free. that was amazing. for democrats ago and say it's not about unity, they are clearly not looking at the polling. because cbs news did a poll right after the speech and 76% overall approve. 82% of independents approved of what he had to say. this is important, i'm going to come to what pete was saying about border security and the ball. 72% agreed with his views on immigration. he clearly had a message and democrats are opposing it as they go into another week before the government shutdown. i figure it will be a problem with for them for most of the country. >> harris: i want to ask you about cece abrams, who wanted to be leadership of the state of georgia. that didn't work out. let's hear the rebuttal from last night, talking about the president and the shutdown. >> the step down was a stunt engineered by the president of the united states.

one that defied every tenet of fairness and abandonment not just our people but our values. >> harris: first of all, the pick of cece abrams in her mind -- i know some people want to push her out to run. i haven't heard you say that. and the substance of what she was saying on the partial government shutdown. >> first of all, i think it was really smart for democrats to put out there. not only because its history as the first african-american woman, the first black woman to be giving the democratic response, but i think both parties sometimes will look -- whether they are in congress with somebody outside he was an up-and-coming. >> harris: why not kamala harris customer give those are your bunch marxist democrats? >> pete: can you imagine the fight by the scenes? spew when you were saying black woman, so on and so forth. >> leslie: harris, i gotta say this. you guys know, i host a talk show. i referred to senator senator kamala harris as an african-american, which she refers to herself as, and i got pushed back that she's half indian and half jamaican.

>> harris: back to the substance of what she said real quickly. >> leslie: honestly i have seen from the right, across the gamut, on cable networks and mainstream networks, people who have said that she did a great job. actually the polling shows that people were favorable even if they didn't agree. i'm seeing it all over twitter. "even if i don't agree with her, i thought the way she delivered it --" my favorite part, and i try to impress upon this as a democrat to republican's, "compassionate treatment at the border is not the same as open borders. president reagan understood this. president obama understood this. i like the under -- i also likee fact, katie. i also like the fact that she said "i don't want him to fail." that she doesn't want him to fail. >> harris: that was a high moment. >> leslie: i thought she spoke also to some issues that people care about.

climate change, health care. >> harris: we don't want each other to fail. we want to work together. we've got to scoot. we started with a scandal in virginia today, and it apparently is getting worse for leadership there. now the state attorney general has admitted he wore a black face to a party back in college in 1980. what this could mean for the state and the political parties. plus, democratic senator elizabeth warren is facing a new claim that she lied about her ethnicity. it comes just days before her expected provincial campaign announcement. we will talk about it. stay close. >> i run for office because i'm grateful down to my toes. for the opportunities that were given me. ♪ this time, it's his turn. you have 4.3 minutes to yourself. this calls for a taste of cheesecake. philadelphia cheesecake cups. rich, creamy cheesecake with real strawberries. find them with the refrigerated desserts. ensure max protein...

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>> katie: and newly revealed document renewing controversy for democratic senator elizabeth warren, as she it's expected to officially declare a run for the white house this weekend. "the washington post" obtaining a copy of warren's 1986 registration card for the texas state bar, which licensed her to practice law in that state. on it, she wrote that her race was "american indian." this is a previously unreported example, in the first known instance of war and american ancestry in an official document. in her own handwriting. last week, senator warren apologized to the cherokee nation for priestly taking a dna test in an attempt to prove that she had native american ancestry. the senator telling "the washington post," "i can't go back, but i am sorry for further confusion on tribal sovereignty and tribal citizenship and the harm that resulted." that at least one historian and member of the cherokee nation

believes that the senator needs to go further. he said, "i want her to go on national tv. i wanted to do a video like she did to announce her dna results. it just seemed very lacking." so, pete, elizabeth warren has said repeatedly that she never used her native american status -- which is 11,024th, may be -- to get ahead. is this an example of her lying about that? >> pete: it might be. the issue of her misrepresentation was that she used for advantage. it was advantageous to her career path at harvard on the circuit i want to know, was advantageous in the state of texas for her to declare that as opposed to caucasian, say? i never give credit to elizabeth warren. maybe she really thought -- at one moment, maybe she really thought, "i was told that's what i am, i am." i don't know. we can't know. i don't know her motivation in 1980. >> melissa: i want to address this contemporaneously.

it's 1986 when she wrote this, when she was getting into the bar at the time. it was 1995 when she was a harvard professor and they listed her on their federal affirmative action form as being native american. when i was an undergraduate at harvard university, there was a rule -- and i know i heard marie harf say in the less ever, who are we to be the dna police? i knew someone who lied on his application and check the box, and he bragged and said he had gotten in. and he wasn't. this is something that people have used in order to get ahead. it's very hard for me to give her the benefit of the doubt, especially since we have seen the dna and we know it isn't one 16th. there is an established, in order to claim yourself to be a minority when you are trying to get advantages, like being claimed by harvard's forms. >> harris: at least at harvard university.

>> leslie: "the boston globe" did an investigation, and the employment records show that she was considered a white woman when hired as a law professor, both at the university pennsylvania and then by harvard university. second of all, there was no 23 and me at the time there is now. pete, to your point, what was the motivation? have you seen the commercials for 23 in may, the guy dancing in the german outfit and singing german songs in defense of that is not german? >> katie: leslie, i want to ask you -- how this plays an democratic primary, based on the fact that trump goaded her into this. he's the one who dared her to take a dna test. she rolled out this elaborate campaign, which is still up on her website enter twitter feed, by the way. she's not taking that down. how does this play in a primary that is based a lot on identity politics? isn't this cultural appropriation? >> leslie: no, it won't affect her at all. >> melissa: really? she's a liar! >> leslie: she may never escape it. but you asked me come among the

democratic voters. the people that are very much supportive of her, many of which, quite frankly, or supportive of bernie sanders. they will split that poet, by the way. they are still going to back her. especially those in massachusetts, and a lot of women who are looking for another female. >> harris: leslie, you have said she lightly would make it anyway. >> leslie: no, i said she will be the nominee. >> harris: so i sit in at this point? >> leslie: we will talking about that off the air. >> harris: i'm smarter than that. >> leslie: they get book deals, tv deals. and they put their name out there further. >> katie: we will see if she survives. i don't think so. >> harris: in making his case for a portable president trump framing the immigration battle as a class division, saying with the elites can hide behind walls. whether it makes the case for a compromise, or if the president will act alone. >> well wealthy politicians and donors push for open borders while living their lives behind walls and gates and guards.

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shutdown just days from now. or, potentially a declaration of emergency so the president would do it by executive order. this morning, house speaker nancy pelosi suggested the committee may be moving closer to some type of deal, describing what she told a republican head of the senate appropriations committee, richard shelby. watch. >> left to their own devices, i think they can have an agreement on time by friday. i spoke with senator shelby, i told him, "whatever you all come to an agreement on, bipartisan agreement, i will support." i hope the administration will have the same attitude and respect the probations process. >> harris: what does that mean, kiddie customers left their own devices? she has weighed in previously with no money for the wall. it's a topic of whether or not the people in her own party would go broke and during the bipartisan effort to get us beyond this point? >> katie: the people who are saying we need some kind of compromise are not far left

congressmen or congresswomen, from east coast or west coast districts. they are from -- actually, some of them are from california and they have seen the wall works in san diego. they have been listening to experts on the border since before the first to shut down. i find it amazing now that all of a sudden they have a commission, and all of all of a sudden they want to sit down and listen to what people have been saying. not just for the past couple months, but since this crisis started in 2014 under barack obama, saying "we need more beds, we need the law change, we need a higher asylum bar, we need a barrier in places where it's dilapidated or doesn't exist." i think nancy pelosi is feeling some of the pressure and after the state of the union last night, this will be even higher because of the polling among independents. going into 2020, she needs a democrat to win. >> melissa: i think it gives both sides and out. i was hoping they said earlier, whatever the committee comes up with, she will commit to bring that to the floor. she said that early on, speaker pelosi. >> harris: january 31st.

>> melissa: i hope she sticks with that. actually believe it gives everyone a sort of "get out of jail free card" to go along with with a come up with. she will respect it. i also think the president said in his state of the union, one of the most important things he said was, "i want people to come into our country and the largest numbers ever, but they have to come legally." he has to mean that and follow up on that. because in the past, the not from democrats has been that he has wanted to limit legal immigration. >> pete: merritt-based. a speech of the fact of the matter is, we desperately need technology workers. we need engineers and day laborers. it has been the congress who failed to reform immigration and the need to get together. because we do need more people. >> harris: how do you see democrats making the numbers match on all of this? for compromise, there has to be some agreement of who we will let in and who we we will impar what those numbers would look like. >> leslie: first of all,

again, democrats don't want to open borders. second, they do want border security. but they don't want a wall and they don't want to give the president a check in the campaign promise box. interestingly, the speaker said that she would put it to a vote. but you do have a majority of democrats in the house that might not vote in favor of it. like you said, that gives her and out. then again, both sides could suffer politically. even though the democrats think they are on a winning streak when you look at the polls, most the people that support them -- >> katie: the independents are 80%. >> leslie: they don't suppose anybody. >> katie: at the point, they like what he said. >> leslie: when you look at the polling spigots that, the majority of americans don't want a wall. they do want comfort and support security. >> harris: the majority of americans don't understand how the barrier works in the places where it is. >> pete: this commission, if

it goes this way, you will be a watered down wind for the establishment which will get nothing really done. she's been so disingenuous from the beginning, she can't cave on too much wall funding. president trump has said, "i will get my wall or else." there's not a lot of middle ground there. i'm not sure a lot of people will support it. >> harris: i have just not heard any real clear answer from nancy pelosi and others in democrat leadership, leslie, about what you do about these 600 plus existing miles of wall. you don't want to tear down, but you can't admit that it works? >> leslie: first of all -- they haven't said that fencing in certain areas doesn't work. you've heard a lot of democrats -- >> katie: they said it doesn't work. >> pete: they said it's immoral. >> leslie: she said it's immoral. it's not a moral not effective. >> pete: not effective is absurd. go down and talk to the border patrol agents before and after the ball was down there.

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our foolish wars, politics, or ridiculous partisan investigations. >> melissa: house democratic caucus chair, congressman hakeem jeffries, reacted this way. >> will have a responsibility to our democratic republic to make sure that we get the answers. part of that responsibility is going to be to protect the mueller investigation. the other part of that responsibility, as a separate and coequal branch of government, is to make sure the information is aired in an objective, appropriate, and nonsensationalized fashion to the american people. >> melissa: good luck with that. all this, as the house intelligence committee chair, adam schiff, said he will give robert mueller access to all the transcript of testimony given to his committee about the russian investigation. pete, i want to start with that part about making sure it is aired in a nonpartisan -- whatever it was. everything gets leaked. it gets leaked to the dash you

know, the reporter that will be most empathetic to your point of view. >> pete: to get ahead of a story that's coming. you know it would have been linked by now? if they had anything remotely close to collusion, we would know by now. but that doesn't matter, actually. before you get the 2020, you have to get through 2019. this report is coming out. they are investing in a now and they will spend weeks and months picking apart and trying to make it look like it's the worst thing. you will hear the impeachment would probably house. it's going to. they are too many far leftists in the house not for that to happen. i think the mueller report still looms, the president has been smart to frame it is what it is. a bruise. a hunt at him. they are seeing it in the southern district, too, another investigation going on. the trump organization, the trump family businesses, the term foundation. it's a political assassination of a man who won an election he will was not supposed to win. and it will continue. >> harris: leslie, are they going to listen to nancy pelosi and not pull the emergency valve

on trying to impeach the president? >> leslie: yes, absolutely. the majority of democrats -- myself included -- know that unless you have something that's an impeachable offense -- and i know that can be determined by whatever the house deems -- >> harris: you might want to wait for the mueller investigation to end. but some democrats say they want to start this now. started early. representative al green. >> leslie: absolutely prelike i said here before on this couc couch, there are people that put it out there and certainly put it out there because it was good for their constituency or their- >> harris: does he have a following? >> leslie: there is some. i agree, it would be the far left wing. >> pete: she is scared of the far left. she needs them for her speakership. she's clamoring -- >> leslie: i don't see speaker pelosi afraid of the far left. i think there are some things like the green deal, other areas that they can't ignore. but no, they are not going to -- look, they know what happened

historically. when republicans impeached the clinton. newt gingrich resigned, bill clinton didn't. it republicans. they lost it, democrats didn't. that some the american people -- especially democrats -- that's not what they elected them to do. by the way, 34 people have pled guilty. three corporations were guilty. >> pete: blah, blah, blah. >> katie: back to the mueller report. for the past two years, if you dared to criticize robert mueller, ask about maybe his conflict of interest, some of the attorneys working for him, you were attacking the investigation if you dared to question some of the things that he might find. now, because democrats aren't getting what they want from the mueller investigation, they are kind of saying and pushing him away. saying, "well, we're going to wait for that may be, but we can move on with our own investigations." which means they are discrediting robert mueller and not taking what he is finding at face value. i'm just wondering where the outrages over democrats not waiting for the expert in the

room, who they say is robert mueller -- >> pete: he has all this power over all these democrats. >> katie: who has endless amounts of resources to investigate every inch that he wants to. where are they not satisfied with what he saying? are they questioning his ability to do the job? it sounds like they are. >> pete: what are we protecting him? >> leslie: we don't have a final report yet. >> melissa: you said you think the report will come out this year. i don't know. i feel like it's never coming. he >> pete: may not. be one this has not been an investigation with a lot of -- i don't know that we would have heard anything until it's time to hear it all. >> pete: maybe. >> katie: collusion is not a crime. let's not forget. >> harris: so true. >> melissa: the controversy ramping up in virginia as a democratic attorney general and second in line for governor now admitting he also wore black face while partying decades ago. and the embattled governor still

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>> melissa: deepening controversy in virginia. the democratic attorney general, mark herring, second and then to the governor's office that is behind lieutenant governor, is now admitting that he also wore black face at a college party in 1980. he said that he end of their friends were dressed as rappers, and he issued a statement earlier today taking responsibility for his past. this, as embattled virginia governor ralph northam is reportedly considering hiring a private investigator to examine the circumstances surrounding his college yearbook page. and to prove he is not in the decades-old racist photo. in the meantime, a possible double standard is emerging with democratic lawmakers being very measured in their response to a claim of sexual assault made by virginia thyssen. she is an associate professor at scripps college. this was against the lieutenant

governor, justin fairfax, a claim that he denies. this, after the huge controversy that engulfed now-justice brett kavanaugh. appears as reactions when asked about the allegations. >> justin fairfax, who you helped get elected i will do still support him? >> i think we should be focusing on what is happening -- my focus is on giving the government to step of dumb. >> if there are credible claims by anyone, those have to be taken seriously. but governor northam has already admitted to action that disqualify him. >> melissa: i think i said her name is regina, it's vanessa prepart in need. we are talking about virginia. anyway, senator bernie sanders refuses to say whether he believes the accuser or not. and senator dianne feinstein says she doesn't know who

fairfax is. so there you go. katie, i will go to first. this is dicey. is it double standard if you look at the reaction with claims on brett kavanaugh, and the reaction of the claims of this woman? >> katie: "the washington post" came out justifying why they didn't run the allegations against the lieutenant governor. because they were saying that they couldn't corroborate them. they should have evidence. and yet, with the cavanaugh situation, they ran all kinds of accusations against them. and after the senate look into them come out on a single one could be proven true with any kind of evidence. the question i have for democrats -- they said during the blasey ford hearing that you have to believe her and if you don't you were attacking her as a survivor. and yet now they don't seem interested in supporting a woman who has filed an assault claim against a democrat. the point is, i'm not saying we should go after him with no evidence and that we should be saying we are only believing people based on their gender. we should be believing people

based on evidence and what the truth is. but the double standard -- >> pete: that wasn't the standard that they set. it was "believe all women." leslie, i love you, but your party would not have standards that offer double standards. by the rulebook of leftists, by the rubric of the democratic party, northup should resign, this lieutenant governor should resign, and the attorney general should resign. the reason they have descended on them is because of race-based politics. gender-based politics. it's how they play the game. the dissent on the governor to make him resign because they can't have a kind of picture if they are to accuse republicans of being racist. >> leslie: there is hypocrisy on both sides of this issue. every accuser of bill clinton was believed by people on the right and defended by most people on the left. the same was in reverse with christine blasey ford, with the supreme court nominating process of brett kavanaugh. no, no, pete. right now tom perez as head of the dnc and other democratic congressional members have said,

they are not saying they don't believe her. okay? they are saying that the investigation has to play out. >> pete: they didn't say that about cavanaugh. >> melissa: as allegations of sexual assault have to be taken very seriously, but a person who is a claim has to be given the complete space to bring the claim forward when and however he or she wants. they have not yet done that until the person comes forward i'm not going to have a comment on that. >> katie: bernie sanders was asked about this and he pretended he was on the phone. that's a double standard. you can't say we believe all women no matter what the circumstances are. i look at the facts of what christine blasey ford. her's testimony was extremely out of touch with what she actually said to "the washington post," what she was telling her lawyers. >> leslie: do you believe this woman? a >> katie: i don't know enough about the case. >> leslie: you can't know! >> katie: that's my point. i judge the situations based on evidence, not gender. i don't know if he's guilty.

>> pete: or reality. >> leslie: there are people both left and right who do, sadly, base it on their ideology. >> katie: it should be a due process with evidence-based facts about who is guilty or not of crime. >> pete: that's what the whole country we have is founded on. a rule-based system. speak we solved it. more "outnumbered" in just a minute newday va home loan for veterans. it lets you borrow up to 100 percent of your home's value. not just 80 percent like other loans. and that can mean a lot more money for you and your family. with our military service, veterans like us have earned a valuable va benefit. the right to apply for a va home loan. the newday va loan lets you refinance your mortgages, consolidate your credit card debt, put cash in the bank, and lower your payments over 600 dollars a month. newday usa has been granted automatic authority by the va. they could close your loan in as little as 30 days. so call newday usa.

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b6 the person to put her to give and knows her stuff. check it out. fox nation. >> leslie: this sounds like a show i would really like. >> melissa: that does it for us. we are back here at noon eastern tomorrow. now here's harris. >> harris: breaking news, fox news alert on this controversy multiplying in the state of virginia. the commonwealth, as a another lawmaker in the line of succession to take over as governor, should that need to happen, has now admitted wearing a black face decades ago. you are watching "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. attorney general mark herring has released a statement saying that in 1980 he used brown makeup and a wig to look like a wrapper for a party. the revelation comes as virginia's current governor, ralph northam, and the states lieutenant governor, justin fairfax, are facing their own scandals and controversies. garrett tending with the latest from richard r