tucker carlson is coming up next. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." we expected a slow newss output this evening. it's friday but that's not what happened. there's a torrent of it. if you are watching this from a restaurant, have the bartender turn up the volume, it's worth it.it first we have new securityfo footage that shows details of the fbi's pre-dawn raid on roger stone's house in south florida. three separate cameras captured all of it. from the moment that robert mueller's p.r. team from cnn arrived with a tripod to roger stone's arrest at gunpoint. you won't believe the t-shirt stone was wearing when they cuffed him. we're staying for that. then, lunatics in the congress

have a brand new plan to destroy our economy and drive america into darknessst and poverty. it's called the green new deal and we will talk to one of itsts supporters in just a second. o also, the media are supposed to hold the powerful to account. that's what they always tell you. if that's true, why are they sucking up to the world's richest man, jeff bezos? why are they calling him bezos bear? because he is the world's richest man. we have hilarious details in a second. first tonight, more chaos in the beleaguered commonwealth of virginia. thatgu state's democratic goverr and attorney general, as you know, have both admitted to blackface scandals. one of them hass been called upon by democratic luminaires to resign and neither one has shown any h intent to leave office. now that state's slippery lieutenant governor justin fairfax has been accused of rape for the second time by a second woman.e new allegations just hours ago. fairfax says he is not resigning either. for the latest on the glowing fireball of insanity that is virginia democratic

politics, fox news ellison barber is outside the state house in richmond, virginia. ellison? >> hi, tucker. calls for the lieutenant governor to resign are growing tonight. it's difficult to keep track of how many people have now come forward and said that he needs to step aside. all of this after a second woman came forward detailing a second sexual assault that she claims happened with justin fairfax, a virginia state delegate says if the lieutenant governor does not resign by the end of the weekend, he will introducece articles of impeachment on h monday. the lieutenant governor is denying all of the allegations against him and the statement he said, "i have never forced myself on anyone ever. i demand a fullul investigation into these unsubstantiated and false allegations." he called the claims part of a vicious and coordinated smear campaign. according to a press release from the law firm smith mullen they are representing a woman named meredith watson who says she was raped by now lieutenant governor justin fairfax in 2000 when they were both

students at duke university. the statement says, "mr. fairfax's's attack was premeditated and aggressive. the two were friends but never dated or had any romantic relationship." the lieutenant governor was optimistic this morning briefly speaking to reporters as he headed to preside over a legislative session in the virginia senate saying, we will have our say, i'm confident in the truth. tonight, in a statement, he is defiant and clearly says i will not resign. even though a lot of democrats now want him to. senator cory booker tweeted this, "the multiple, detailed allegations against the lieutenant governor of virginia are deeply troubling. they are serious, credible and corroborated by others. it is no longer appropriate for him to serve. he should resign." and now attorneys for this second victim, they have come out with a new statement saying that thehe lieutenant governor is trying to smear their client. they say they had heard that he had told various members of the media that she is crazy and that she had been the victim of a prior rape.ti they say that it is trueay that she was the victim of a prior assault.

but they say that lieutenant governor justin fairfax actually used that prior assault, which she reportedly had told h him about, in order to justify the assault that he allegedly perpetrated. they say the pair had one encounter after the alleged assault in 2000 at a campus party and this is from the statement here. "she left the campus party when he arrived and he followed her out. she turned around asked, why did you do it? mr. fairfax answered, i knew because of what happened toca you last year you would be too afraid to say anything." we have reached out to the lieutenant governor's office on this new statement, tucker, we have not heard back. >> tucker: hard to remember a seedier story than this. ellison barber from richmond, virginia tonight. so what's going to happen to the three top ranking elected democrats in the commonwealth of virginia? what's the standard for the rest of us in the wake of this scandal?

chris hahn that's a progressive radio host and he joins us tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: i don't know the truth of the allegations against the lieutenant governor fairfax and i think he is due, as we all are, the right to explain himself and to have this adjudicated by some impartial body. so i'm not passing judgment on him or his accuser. i'm passing judgment on the self-appointed defenders of women who, just a couple of months ago, jumped up and down and told us that brett kavanaugh deserved to be in prison because we must believe all women. yet they are dismissing these women. they clearly don't believe them. where is mazie hirono and kirsten gillibrand in all of this? what is the answer? >> i don't know that they have dismissed this woman. i sure haven't. it seems to me like he is toast. like he is done. there will be an investigation but he's not surviving this. these women seem credible to me. the stories seem chilling. and we should all be appalled by it. now should this turn out to be

some sort of real political hit job, and i don't think it is, then maybe he survives. barring that, his career is over. and he needs to resign. now, i know we have two other democrats in top positions in virginia who also have issues that we need to deal with, and i have already called for the governor to resign on thist show last week and i am not taking that back. i think his statements on saturday made it worse than they were on friday night. and we will see what people think about the attorney general. but i think people need to be consistent when they make calls for things. >> tucker: you are taking -- i mean, agree or disagree, you are taking a positionn that is undergirded by integrity, consistency is right. just as an american, i think i'm most disgusted by this mark herring character, the chief law enforcement officer in the state of virginia. purely because of the hypocrisy. he jumps up and down whencr he finds out that the governor has this yearbook in blackface and then it t turns out that he appeared inou blackface, too. so why shouldn't he resign? that's the most confusing part of this to me. >> you know, look, i think he came out and he

apologized and i thinknk maybe, you know, we might determine that he should resign. he was 19 years old and he did something really stupid and, quite frankly, offensive and racist, that should not be tolerated in this country. we will see what his fate holds. the people of virginia should ultimately be able to make the decision. >> tucker: no, no, you make a fair point -- >> there should be some sort of petition to get rid of him. >> tucker: but that's not the standard -- look, i think voters should make all of these decisions if someone commits a crime in office impeach him. we have a method for removing people who shouldn't be serving andnd it's not twitter. my question is about the standards of the democratic party applies to the rest of us. so northam did something that was beyond the pale and cory booker and all these other totally false self-righteous chest beaters who really have no, no reason to lecture the rest of us about how to live, i would say. i'm serious. i live here.

but the point is, they ddon't apply the same standard to this guy because they don't want the seat to wind up in republican hands. that's the actual truth as thyou know. >> you know, look, something needs to be said for the voters of virginia who chose three democrats for statewide office andic something has to be done to preserve the will of the people. whether these three men should serve, that needs to be determined. i really think that the top two need to go right now. i think they are both unfitt for office and theit third one, you know, i think he is teetering on the edge. but virginia needs to do something to make sure that the will of the people is actually recognized. and that's something that has to be determined. >> tucker: hypocrisy is certainly not just a democratic problem. there are a ton of hypocrites on the right too. >> sure, absolutely. i call it out every week on my radio show. >> tucker: the intensity of the hypocrisy in the last week is kind of hard to ignore. so if you have appeared in black face, you can't serve in public office. you can't stand on a public stage. you really need to be pushed outside of polite company. o and now it turns out that all these prominent

progressives have appeared in blackface. i mean, that's a pretty highck level of hypocrisy. have you noticed that or am i justha imagining it? >> it's not all of -- it's two men in virginia and, frankly -- >> tucker: no, no. i mean, it's joy behar and it's -- okay. a lot of the people who are the quickest to judge others turned out to have worn this blackface themselves. you don't notice a theme here, attacking people for what you do? >> i think that there needs to be something done about the people who serve in public office. it's a higher calling than, you know, and a higher standard than people who are entertainers and other things. we need to focus on that. we need to remove these people and we need to put people in there who careop aboutni virginia and care about the values that these men were elected to defend. voters of virginia wanted people like them there because of what they saidbe on the campaign about their

values and governance. they did not know about their histories with women and with blackface and racism.. now they know it and the voters of virginia should be heard and the voters of virginia -- >> tucker: i just want to correct, and we are out of time. i want to get the final word and correct something. apparently, senator mazie hirono of hawaii has called on lieutenant governor justin fairfax to resign. >> good. and you will hear more. >> tucker: she is consistent that way. chris hahn, thank you very much. >> thank you, tucker. > tucker: so let's say these weren'tt three progressive democrats at the helm but three conservative republicans.. [laughs] whatni would that look like? dan bongino joins us tonight. dan, i mean, do you notice the political imperative overriding moral concerns here?? >> yeah. i mean, this is a very simple binary choice here, tucker. is it going to be power or

is it going to be principle? if the standard here in your principles are, as i the democrats have stated, and i think a lot of people would agree that, listen, blackface is unacceptable in a position of public prominence. you have to go. you handle that on your own later but you can't govern, then mark herring has to go, attorney general, and the governor. that's the principle, right, tucker? nothing i'm saying is controversy. >> tucker: that's their stated principle. for the record, i think it's ridiculous. i think calling for infanticide might actually make ital impossible for you to govern because it's murder. >> sure. >> tucker: dressing up like an idiot or being a bigotik in college is something you should apologize for. i'm not sure that 35or years later it makes it impossible for you to govern. you are right. that's their standard and they have stated it clearly. >> they have been on the record. notice how it became a little more nuanced, tucker, when they found out that the fourth person in line, the virginia speaker, is a a

republican. now all of a sudden there is a little more nuance in the argument. again, is this binary or is it not? if it's about principles, which they have already stated openly, then you must call for both of them to resign. now talking about the number two, justin fairfax, the lieutenant governor. i mean, we went through thisan with kavanaugh. if you have watched thisis station or any other cable news network, we went through this for two troubling weeks, where i don't think there is a democrat on the recordee actually defending kavanaugh. so again, if the principle there is all women are to be believed, accusations are, in fact, enough evidence for you to leave and you have no right to defend yourself, then, tucker, this is all clear. the answers are clear as day by, as you stated, the democrats' own on-the-record statements they have already made. >> tucker: and i think that may be kind of percolating up to members of the senate. apparently kirsten gillibrand has just on twitter called for the resignation of lieutenant governor justin fairfax.

we will see what happens there. dan bongino, thank you very much. >> you got it. good to see you tonight. >> tucker: jeff bezos wrote a piece on medium yesterday saying he was extorted by the "national enquirer." is it true? i don't know. we know who is on his side, though. the media. why? he is rich. plus, exclusive newhe video tonight of the fbi raid on the home of roger stone. it's pretty unbelievable. we'll be rightht back. ♪

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richest man, jeff bezos, claims that he has been the victim of an extortion plot, not by isis or some international criminal syndicate out of a james bond movie, but by the "national enquirer," the supermarket tabloid. the one you page through as you are unloading groceries from your cart. trace gallagher has been following this story since the beginning and he follows us tonight. hey, trace. h >> hey, tucker. he owns "the washington post" but jeff bezos chose to make his stand on a blogging platform called medium where he posted details of the allegedim extortion, including messagege sent to him from i the "national enquirer," its parent company america media, and ceo david pecker, threatening to release intimate photos of bezos and girlfriend, lauren sanchez, unless bezos agreed to call off his investigation on how "the enquirer" got the pictures. and then issuing a statement saying the investigation that uncovered the affair was not politically motivated.

bezos refused, writing, "of course i don't want personal photos published but i also won't participate in their well-known practice of blackmail, political favors, political attacks, and corruption." america media has now responded saying it wasn't blackmail, the messages were good faith negotiations. quoting again, "american media believes fervently that ited acted lawfully in the reporting of the story ofaw mr. bezos." but david pecker says the company will conduct an internal investigation into what, if any, action needs to be taken. and to up the ante, federal prosecutors are now looking into the "national enquirer's" handling of the bezos affair. as for how the intimate photos were leaked in the first place, a reporter for "the washington post" says he has spoken with bezos' lead security consultant. watch. >> gavin debecker told us that he does not believe that jeff bezos's phone was hacked. he think it's possible that a government entity might have gotten ahold of his text messages.

>> earlier, gavin debecker, the security consultant, said publicly he thought the brother of bezos' mistress lauren sanchez played a role in leaking those private photos and texts. tucker. >> tucker: mr. muster with a candle stick. trace, thank you very much. so a lot of confusing parts about this story. one t thing that is crystal clear is where the media stands. journalists love jeff bezos. now some of them literally work for him at his personal p.r. operations/lobbying shop -- it's called "the " washington post." even those who don't take his money directly think jeff bezos is great. why do they think that? because he is rich. he is the richest man in the world, in fact. ofh. course, journalist also tell you their job is to hold the powerful to account. pretty funny. in real life, they aciduously

suck up to power. they can't help themselves. the more powerful the more flamboyant their grappling. louis xivth never had more self-effacing man servants. "may i wash your feet sir? how about a hot bath?" watch. >> bezos, the wealthiest man in the world, founder of amazon, being the punch line of sordid affair, to allll of a sudden becoming praised as a hero of journalism. he has pulled off a master stroke in terms of recasting his own image, in terms of making himself look like a good guy again. e>> makes us almost human. like "u.s. magazine," he is almost like you and me and he is playing this brilliantly. >> there is a certain amount of badassness jeff bezos makes us proud to work with him. they messed with the wrong guy and they have found that out. >> source close to bezos told me last night do not poke this bezos bear. >> tucker: oh, he is a bear now!

not a not dorky with predictably midlife crisis and sad but obvious steroid problem. no he is a powerful masculine bear. a grizzly don't mess with jeff bezos, growl.ou [laughter] jeff bezos is so tough that donald trump just can't handle him. there is only room for one alpha bear in this town so trump is trying to take out bezos bear with a far reaching secret conspiracy. seriously, that's what they are saying. >> we know how he despises jeff bezos. is ami still doing trump's dirty work? what is going on here? >> i don't know. the two leading theories seem to be that ami is either doing the saudis' dirt work or trump's dirty work or a combination of the two. >> trump has had a hard on for bezos. it's no surprise that he turned to his good buddy david pecker at the enquirer to, you know, do a hatchet job on him. >> tucker: [laughs] suddenly the left believes in

the deep state. "we can't let them hurt bezos bear!" reaughs] it's hilarious. and s nauseating. all right. congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez says her green new deal will save the planet. in exchange, give up cars and airplanes and rebuild every structure in the united states. we'll also, by the way, need to invent brand new forms of energy that science hasn't hconceived of yet. how much will this cost? hothat's unclear. how will we pay for it? unknown. how will make this happen? workers, obviously, anyone who is "unwilling to work" will still get paid by the government. in other words, not all of the details have been worked out. a law professor at cornell is advising alexandria ocasio-cortez on the green new deal and he joins us. professor, thanks very much for coming on. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: why would we ever t pay people who are "unwilling to work?" >> obviously we never would and aoc has never said anything like that, right? i think you are referring to some sort of document that i

think some doctored document that somebody other than us has been circulating. >> tucker: i thought that came right from her -- that was in the backgrounder from her office is my understanding. >> no, no. she has actually tweeted it out to laugh at it, if you look at latest tweets. apparently some republicans have put it out there. l i don't know the details. >>d tucker: good. well, thank you for correcting me.. i mean, because it seemed a little ridiculous. almost as ridiculous as the idea that we're going to build enough light rail to r make airplanes unnecessary. which i think actually is fromit the plan. >> i don't know where you got that either, tucker. i actually believe that you are actually in our side about this. if you actually read the actual plan, there is nothing about getting rid ofhi anything. it's about expanding many options. there are many things we want to be able to do now in addition to what we already do. where is the airplane disappearance coming from? i'm not really clearis on where that originated. >> tucker: i could actually get it for you. >> that would be great because i keep hearing that. >> tucker: frequently asked questions released by her office

and i'm quoting from it. maybe this is fraudulent, in which case i hope you will correct me. so it says that the green new deal would "totally overall transportation and that would mean, quote, "building on high speed rail at a scale where air travel would stop becoming necessary." hawaii senator mazie hirono responds to that by saying that would be hard for hawaii. i don't think that's made up. the senator from hawaii -- >> no, no.na apparently being mostly misunderstood, right? we are really talking about expanding optionality. we are not talking about getting rid of anything, right? we are talking about making it cost effective to move into modern forms of technology and modern modern forms of production, which would enable people to cost effectively to transition to that stuff. we are not talking about requiring anything or prohibiting anything. that's 1980s-style environmentalism.

>> tucker: hold on, i don't want to you back away from what she herself has said all of this with the caveat a lot of this won't happen maybe none of it these are h the ideas she is articulating. >> i promise you, tucker, i won't back away from thinking she said. we are pushing forward. >> tucker: yeah, high speed. >> yeah, very high speed going to supplant all fossil eafueled in years. >> that doesn't mean prohibiting them. it weans rendering them obsolete by doing somethingin better. we can do it. this is america. we can do anything. >> tucker: it's nice to have a smart person on the show to explain. this what about air travel, which is critical to our economy, this is a continental country. >> it stays the same. right? >> tucker: no, because that requires fossil fuel. >> that might -- we are not talking -- we are talking about carbon neutrality, remember? we are talking about net zero emissions. that doesn't mean there is never any burning of anything, right? until we come up with solar panel flying airplanes, of w s course -- >> tucker: i'm sorry to interrupt you. i just want to correct you. i just had -- because this seemed like we were making news on this show.th the unwilling to work thing was in her backgrounder. that has been absolutely confirmed.

>> no, no. definitely not. definitely not. >> tucker: so nbc and lots of other news outlets and saying that's fraudulent. >> that's erroneous. there might be new details that you know about that i don't because i have been doing media all day. the story all day -- >> tucker: that was actually in the document. i read it as it came out. >> it's>> w the wrong document, tucker. >> tucker: definitely the wrong document. [laughs] >> a that's not us. we certainly don't believe in anything like that, right? >> tucker: what you are saying is we are not getting rid of fossil fuels, actually -- >> rendering them obsolete. >> tucker: air travel is a huge source, a huge source. >> hence the word "most" before, right? we eliminate them for most purposes for what they are used now by rendering them obsolete. >> tucker: that would include cars. i have two gasoline powered cars at home. >> imagine how much better it will be when it's cost effective to drive electric cars. that can't be done simply by individuals. you have to coordinate. you have to have charging stations everywhere and, of course, individuals can't do that, right? so in that sense, the government is acting like an orchestra conductor here.

we are trying to coordinate some of that o stuff that could only be centrally coordinated and enable everybody to act individually within that framework, right? >> tucker: yeah, i don't fully understand what youuc are saying, but let me just -- i mean, on the low end, this would be the most expensive thing that the united states has ever undertaken including rural electrification, the second world war. and i'm wondering in a country that has more debt than g.d.p., how would we pay for that? >> here's the key, right? we racked up enormous debts to world war ii and highway system in the 1950s. here is a key point and take away. i hope everybody will remember this. remember that inflation is a relation. right? it's the relation betweenn the quantity of money and the quantity of goods. now if the money that you are spending is resulting from the production of a great many more goods, you have no inflation problem. more production absorbs more expenditure. the problem with the $7 trillion that was spent during the bush years and the tax cut was that it wasn't

actually productive. note that even that didn't bring about inflation. >> tucker: still not getting close to it -- by the way, i'm getting all of this in my ear we will follow up on this next week and that "unwilling to work" line, which you are obviously embarrassed about and should be, of course -- >> not embarrassing. it wasn't us. we are not embarrassed by what's not ours. we are not embarrassed by what's not ours. we will clarify it's not ours. >> tucker: we will clarify that.th >> yes, we will. >> tucker: i hope you will come back. >> thanks so much, tucker. >> tucker: always grateful when people on your side come on. including you, thank you. well, the billionaires of r silicon valley are ripping off their employees and shifting the costt to you. one member of congress is offended by this, anyway, and he will join us after the break. ♪ woman 1: i had no symptoms of hepatitis c. man 1: mine... ...caused liver damage. vo: epclusa treats all main types of chronic hep c. vo: whatever your type, ask your doctor if epclusa is your kind of cure. woman 2: i had the common type.

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>> tucker: back in the old days, tipping was a straightforward arrangement. workers in the service industry made a low salary, but still a

salary. then in return for a job well-done, youe added to their base pay with tips. the system seemed to have the right incentives built. the best employees in the right places could do really well, waiters, for example. what if you took away the salary and left the lowest paid workers in our society with only their tips? what if the richest people in america were doing that right now and keeping it secret? well, it's actually happened. you won't be surprised, it's the billionaires of silicon valley who did it. consider instacart, a company lets you order groceries online. already worth $7 billion. in an effort to boost profit, the company changes the way it mays employees.ea starting last year, every driver at instacart guaranteed a minimum of 10 bucks for every delivery. that's the good news. the bad news the company used driver's tips to meet the minimum. in other words, the sanctimonious moguls who own the company shifted payroll cost to the customer and shafted their own employees in the process.pe in one case, a worker who

was tipped 10 bucks for a delivery received only 10.80 in total compensation. that's a pretty good deal for instacart. 80 cents per delivery is below the minimum wage. in another case cited by "the new york times," two workers earn $10 each for delivery even the one got $6 tip and another $4 tip. in other words, a bigger tip meant less base pay. if you did a better job for the customer, the stanford grads who run instacart just took more money from you because that meant more money for them. instacart ceo acted embarrassed andar chastened doesn't matter because exploitation is now the standard in the brave new economy the donor class has created. almost all gig economy workers are contract employees. that means they don't get health insurance and don't make enough to support themselves. taxpayers make up the difference with social programs. and that's one of the reasons your taxes keep going up so that the hipsters who run uber can afford to buy another compound in hawaii and write another check to the dccc.

that's the deal. it's a rip-off and voters know it and that's why so many of them suddenly seems a radical, and if you keep it up, sensible people will become socialists, and if you put up long enough, alexandria ocasio-cortez will be president of the country. that will happen. can congress do anything about billion-dollar companies ripping off their employees? congressman ro khanna is a democrat who represents silicon valley. he is also an instacart customer and has been on these issues for quite some time and we are happy that he is here tonight. congressman,n, thank you very much for coming on. did i misstate the way it works? >> it's outrageous. aa 7 billion-dollar company, ip, and basically having wage theft. they are stealing the tips that should go to the employees to lower their base pay. here's what's outrageous, also. because i use instacart, the default tip is 5%. who tips 5%? yusually you want to tip 10% or 15%. they actually have a lower default tip because theyer don't want to make it seem like t customers should pay more. and then, if you do pay more,

they are taking that tip away. i mean, it's just a scam. >> tucker: you have been one of the only people in the congress to press an issue -- and i'm grateful that you have -- that's really important. where these companies basically send to the taxpayer a lot of their labor cost. they don't pay their employees enough.h. they don't even admit they are employees and then the public takes up the slack in the form of social programs. have you made any headway in getting the companies to pay for that? >> well, we had the stop bezos act. amazon was doing that. we are paying for food stamps and paying for a lot of the social programs. here the richest company in the world wasn't paying a $15 minimum wage. in response to that, bernie sanders and i had that legislation, bezos announced a $15 minimum wage. they felt some pressure and did raise wages. that said, there is a long way to go. i mean, these are mostly employees and as you point a out they are being treated as independent contractors and here's the point. the digital revolution is creating an extraordinary amount of wealth. they can afford to make sure

that there is a middle class. and i think it's almost ridiculous for these people not to see the divide in how they are contributing to the divide. >> tucker: they can afford to make sure there is a middle class. i don't think i could put it better. i have to ask you, because i can't control myself,on you represent silicon valley. >> yeah. >> tucker: you are one of the only members of congress saying this out loud. what do they think of you? >> here's what i'm telling them. i say, look, you are brilliant. you are doing innovations.oi if you want to make sure we have a unified country, then do some basic things. first of all, make sureth everyone is participating in the benefits of technology. not that all the wealth is just going to a very, very few individuals. second, go out to rural america. i have been out to painesville, kentucky, west virginia, jefferson, iowa. we don't need to be outsourcingg 200,000 tech jobs. why aren't we partnering with rural community to participate in the digital revolution? what's going on is there is a revolution and all of the wealth is going to a very few geographies. we want to have a unified country, we have got to expand tech opportunity for tother people. >> tucker: what do they say when you say that? >> they say, we are trying, et cetera. i said, i mean, if you want

to prevent a populist backlash in this country to what's happening, you need to be forward-looking. you know when i went to beckley, west virginia, do you know hot most popular teacher there was? a pakistani-american woman with a thick accent but she was teaching computer science to coal miner's kids who were going to get jobs. we have to create economic opportunity. we had half the country vote against the coast. why? because they didn't see that they had economic opportunity in the new economy. why don't we wake up? henry ford woke up when he had in the early 1900s and he said, i'm going to double wages. by the way, the other thing is, who is going to buy the instacart groceries? >> tucker: [laughs] that is such a good point. i wish more people were saying what you just said. i really think what you were saying is true.hi thank you for that. >> i don't think it's a partisan issue. >> tucker: it'ssnk certainly not a partisan issue! i'm sure there are things we don't agree on. i'm certain of it. but i agree with everything youee just said. thank you, congressman. >> i appreciate that. >> tucker: thank you,

congressman. >> tucker: congress sets age limits for cigarettes and alcohol because both are bad for kids.wi is it time to do the same for cell phones, too? a libertarian disagrees. they will join us after the eebreak. shocking footage of the pre-dawn raid on roger stone's house. wait until you see the shirt he was wearing. pretty amazing. ♪ ♪ a sock-a-bam-boom ♪ who's in the room? ♪ love is dangerous ♪ but driving safe means you pay less ♪ ♪ switch and save ♪ yes, ma'am excuse me, miss. ♪ does this heart belong to you? ♪ ♪ would you like it anyway? [ scatting ]

♪ >> tucker: if you read "u.s.a. today" this morning, you may have seen the list, the 50 worst cities in america in the highly non-coveted number one spot was a place called mendota, california. it's a town of 11,000 outside of fresno, used to be the cantaloupe capital of the world. now, sadly in mendota, all the numbers are depressing. the unemployment rate there

is maybe the highest in the country. half the cityy lives below the poverty line. the per capita income in mendota is about $9,000 a year. crime, not surprisingly, is completely out of control. the former city manager of mendota says the city is ground zero for ms-13 on the west coast. last august, the feds made more than two dozen arrest of ms-13 members, primarily in response to 16 recent murders in the area. it's bad. the local police department d is so outmatched by ms-13 that, according to local media, gang members have been threatening individual cops by name and with impunity. it's like another country. so what's so striking about this and so sad about it is it's the opposite of what they promised. here's how. a third of mendota's population is temporary farm workers. both republicans and democrats in washington are telling us right now that we need many more of those. and they are pushing for it. in secret talks at the white house. but, if what they are

claiming is true, then why are there so many unemployed people in mendota? this is a city at the center of america's most productive farmland. if you can't get farmm work in the central valley of california, there is a huge problem. we clearly have a major oversupply of low skilled labor. we do. but we are planning to import much more anyway? because democrats and the chamber of commerce want it? okay. we know what the net result is going to be. more sad, poor cities like mendota. it's lunacy. it'seo horrible for the people who live there and for everyone else. someone who cares about the country should say that because it's true. something else that's true is that too much time staring in the cell phone can lead to delayed cognitive development for children andea lead to depression and self-harm.m. those are just a few of the perils that kids face when they have access to their own cell phones, which are the portal through which they experience social media. there are many studies on this

andhe all of them show that increased use of the iphone and smartphones like it make kids sadder, slower, more isolated.e they are also tied to depression and suicide risk. in a feature last week, we suggested one obvious w solution that somehow seems crazy, but why would it be crazy? congress should ban smartphones for kids. they ban cigarettes and alcohol. why wouldn't they do this? radio host amy peacock didn't like that message. she texted us and says i want to respond. because we are her fans we said of course you can respond, amy. though you are still wrong. great to see you. so i guess it's really simple. look, i know you are a libertarian and an orthodox one, not an attack on you. you are consistent. if you accept that a society can regulate the behavior of children because they are not n adults and they are not able to make adult decisions and so we can keep kids from buying marlboros at 15 or buying a 12 pack of malt liquor, why can't we keep them from hurting themselves with smartphones? >>ma first of all, you are

assumingng that i agree with those existing laws on the book. i don't necessarily. >> tucker: [laughs] >> no, listen. now you can draw a distinction though, tucker. don't laugh, come on. >> tucker: [laughs] wait, wait -- >> don't laugh, let me say -- >> tucker: i'm laughing -- >> let me give you distinction. >> tucker: i am laughing out of l distinction. libertarians are hilarious. you saying 8-year-old should be able to buy beer. >> we are principled, we are not hilarious. we are principled. >> tucker: okay. >> you can draw a distinction between those two because youow are talking about physical substances. and i might say very, you know, sort of in a rights-based theory way that maybe youth are not capable of making a contract for something that is going to do them physical harm. but here, again, it's very important when we talk about government to make sure the government is operating on af principle of individual rights, which means the right to be free from physical harm. and so if you are going to talk about government getting involved or stepping

in, i would look for evidence of some sort of actual physical harm. i think, tucker, if you want to look at government and what do to improve kids -- >> tucker: i'm confused by the distinction. no one has ever died of an overdose of lsd. but it's clear that if you were to take a huge quantity of lsd, the chance of becoming schizophrenic are higher. we know that. there is no physical harm but you can scramble someone's brain with that substance. >> let's assume that cell phones are potentially detrimental. you talked about the issue of high use and mentioned in particular the app facebook. of course, high levels of use and facebook are things easily avoided. i don't even think the cool kids goid on facebook. but think about this. do we really want government more involved in raising our children? as it is, government is harming our children because we have government schools based on progressive education and i would look to them for

youth unhappiness that -- unhappiness among our kids. >> tucker: they are not mutually exclusive. hold on --ng >> way more than cell phones. >> tucker: you may be right. >> if you are goingg to ban something, why not ban sugar, for example. >> tucker: there is an idea. >> d detrimental physical harm. >> tucker: by the way, i think that's something worth ttalking about. >> i don't think it is. i disagree with banning sugar. i think all of these decisions should be left to the parents, unless you could show that a decision made by the parents to allow a kid to do something or do something to the kid is abuse. and you would really, in wantr: it order to have objective law, want it to be physical abuse. >> tucker: i think we are getting into that. amy peikoff thank you very much. >> thanks for letting me talk. bye. >> tucker: remarkable security footage of the pre-dawn fbi raid on roger stone's home, like a military operation. more extensive even than we imagined. we're going to show that you exclusivee video after this break. we'll be right back.

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♪ ♪ v2 earlier in the show we told you about jeff bezos the richest man in theio world and alleged extortion. i perpetrated against him by the "national enquirer" but that's not the only story, amazon manipulating cities to compete against each other to host second corps headquarters. mayors and governors all over the country back like circus animals for the privilege to send dollars to the richest countries. in the n socialist mayor of new york filed an offer the biggest bride. they blah zeal one. or seem to but now "the washington post" said the deal may be off and the post from the newspaper that functions for the p.r. agent for jeff bezos suggest opposition from local politicians to be blamed for this and if so likely

congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. now ocasio-cortez may be the single self-righteous person ever elected to congress not to mention least informed, but she is dead right on one thing. there is no reason the taxpayer should subsidize jeff bezos or amazon. let's hope other cities come to their senses on that also. home security video shows multiple angles of the fbi predawn raid of the houma political consultant roger stone. on the arm 66 years old, barefoot without a passport and the only footage of the raid came from cnn which somehow knew arrived one hour before the fbi got there. acting attorney general matthew whitaker asked about the scene footage before congress today and he was part of it. >> are you familiar from public works or otherwise cnn report camped outside of stone's house when you guys arrested him? >> this is part of the

investigation. it is deeply concerning to me how cnn found out about that. >> i share your concern with the possibility media outlet was tipped off to mr. stones either indictment or arrests where it was made that information available t to the public. >> tucker: the new footage from stone's home show cnn arriving about an hour before agents did. the footage depicts what the fbi raided the home of the mexican drug lord and may be seen in table six -- teen seal six and accused of false statements to congress. take a look at what happened. >> it is just before 5:00 a.m. and suv with cnn cameraman arrives first at this quiet street in fort lauderdale, florida. d within minutes the driver gets out and begins to set up his tripod. so far, no signs of anything about to happen. but the cameraman gets back in his car with his equipment to

wait. almost exactly one hour later, trucks with heavily armed men arrived in front of roger stone's house. immediately, cnn's cameramen jumps out of the car, came on shoulder capturing the footage. the feds symbol on stone's driveway wearing ballistic armory and curing assault weapons with 30 round magazines, red dot sites and tactical flashlights mounted to barrel straps. one has his gun hanging by a strap while a battering ram in his left hand. all the men have sidearms on their waste. a second camera mounted on stone's front door shows another angle of the raid. a heavily armed fbi agent approaches the door with his gun take upd others positions behind. it looks like high-stakes raid but cnn's cameramen is still feet away forming -- filming at all. one agent scans and surveys stone's front porch. behind the home my third camera captures agents approaching the back of the housebe from the sie yard. behind the property, a boat

arrives with two agents on board. they shine a floodlight into stone's home. back in front, an agent pounds on stone's door finger next to the trigger in case something goes wrong. he tries again as he and his colleagues wait in position. within minutes, stone exits his home to greet the agents who have the rifles pointed at them. unstone raises his hand and spis around apparently showing he isn unarmed. another fbi agent approaches stone from behind and cuffed him just after 6:00 in the morning, still dark out. 20 minutes later, the same camera shows agents leaving roger stone back into his house. he is barefooted. stone is wearing a t-shirt that says "roger stone did nothing wrong." the fbi and the water media toto -- tell, placed by the book happens all the time.y. no, it doesn't.

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