coverage for you. have a good monday, we hope you had a great weekend. the >> julie: we will see you back here tomorrow morning. "outnumbered" starts now. >> melissa: fox news alert, more questions for democrats over the crisis of leadership in virginia. governor ralph northam and attorney general mark herring refusing to resign over a separate racially charged controversies. lieutenant governor justin fairfax saying he's not going anywhere after a second sexual assault accuser comes forward. a growing number of lawmakers explore possible impeachment. this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here today, harris faulkner. fox news contributor, lisa boothe. former ohio state senate, the capri cafaro. and joining us on the couch, charlie hurt. opening editor for the washington times. we are glad to have you today. >> harris: always happy to have you. good to see you. >> melissa: lots to get to, so let's do it.

in a new interview, lieutenant governor of virginia justin fairfax denied any allegations against him and asked for the right to defend himself. this, after a second accuser came forward last week. one incident allegedly occurred in 2004, and the most recent claim is of an incident at duke university in the year 2000. attorneys were both women, they said their clients would be willing to testify during impeachment proceedings. but now, despite saying that he would move to start impeachment proceedings today, virginia democrat delegate patrick coaxing he's old enough on his plan even though he is renewing his call for fairfax to resign immediately. delegate hope writing in a statement, "the purpose of the additional time is so we can find the best process to investigate these crimes with the broadest possible support. the impeachment process is about investigating to find the truth. we must allow the victims to be heard in the most fair and just

a process possible. "the new york times" detailing the political stakes for democrats in virginia, and nationally, by the way. writing, "if democrats do not oust mr. fairfax at a time when the party has taken a zero tolerance stance on sexual misconduct in the #maytoo aero, they could anger female voters but the specter of him being pushed out while two older white men stay in office were deeply troubled many african-americans." boy, this is dicey territory. charlie, what do you think of the right form to investigate these claims? would it be an impeachment proceeding, or how would you be do that if no one's pressing charges at this point in time? >> charlie: whether it's an impeachment proceeding or just hearings of some sort, that's probably the best way to do thi this. these are serious charges that people are talking about here. i get a little equitable when people try to make the comparison between this and brett kavanaugh, though. of course, these allegations are

a whole lot to substantiated. you have women coming forward who are named, who know of a time and a place where the things that alleged to have occurred. all of that is very different from brett kavanaugh. that said, i still think that justin fairfax is owed some sort of due process. just the mere allegation is not enough. whatever the venue is, some kind of investigation where the public gets to see an airing of these allegations, as well as his defense of it, i think it's vitally important. >> melissa: capri, do democrats have a steak or bear a burden going forward in how it sorted who stays and who goes customer cores at once he and one set of problems and it's unfair to extrapolate it out to all democrats? >> capri: ethic it's one state and one very important state in the 2020 electoral map.

they have developed into a more purple state because of the northern virginia growth, in the suburbs of washington, d.c. and it's a state that hillary clinton won back in 2016. democrats are marred in the commonwealth of virginia, it could have a potential impact i. my point is this -- is a former state legislator for a decade, the three people at the top of virginia -- and i know we will get into some of that a little bit later -- but what is happening, the longer they stick around the more they are distracting from their job. the more that this is not good for the people of the commonwealth of virginia. to me, i think it's very selfish. i think all three of them should go. if justin fairfax wants to pursue any kind of due process, they can go through either a civil proceeding or a criminal proceeding in the court process. it lets move on, and i don't care if there is a republican governor. people in virginia need to get back to work. >> harris: if nobody invites you to their holiday party... [laughter] republican friends will take you. >> capri: the caveat is, it's

a one-term governor in virginia. >> lisa: it's true. two years to come and take them out. that's why, at least with northam, he's probably not going to sit down because he's a one term governor. there's nowhere else for him to go, politically. tim kaine isn't going to go anywhere. so his political career was going to end anyway. what makes it difficult not just for 2020, but also the statewide legislative race that is coming up this november, elections have consequences. another issue that northam has come under fire for, over his abortion comment -- that's at issue, too, this november. the virginia house of delegates -- i think they have majority. that bill very well could passive democrats take back the state legislature. we saw that happen in new york with their third trimester abortion bill, because republicans were blocking it and the state senate republicans lost that majority in the state signage. then they were able to move forward with it. >> capri: so democrats get protected and can do better at this angle.

[laughter] >> harris: the way that i have read, and it's been explained by legal experts to make, is that to impeach somebody in the commonwealth of virginia and it has to be for some infraction that has happened while that person was in office. so i don't think that's the case in either of the situations with these accusers. they date back to 2000 and 2004. the other thing is the statute of limitations -- >> melissa: why are they talking about it, then? >> harris: why are they talking about a question mark >> melissa: about impeachment, yes. >> harris: why does anybody talk about appeasement? you can argue that you can impeach for any reason. what you could do was start up procedure. the becomes enough of and in distraction. the way it works in the commonwealth of virginia is, whatever the infraction is asked of happen when they remember in the office. however, we've got massachusetts and north carolina where things happen. the statute of limitations. have they run out? are those the proper venues for investigations and hearings? i don't know. >> charlie: and the fact that charges have not been pressed in either of those places tells you something. i do think that -- the important

thing here is, and this is true -- it's always been true. this is not a democrat thing or a republican thing. not to look at as -- >> harris: a #metoo then? >> charlie: that has also been perverted for a political purpose. it's about right and wrong, is about justice. if we look at it through the lens of democrats or republicans, like capri said, it should be a bipartisan thing. the same bar of guilt should be if you are democrat or republican. >> harris: why do you think it is in? >> charlie: i think democrats have a terrible history lately of playing a lot of politics with these sorts of allegations. it's very disturbing, and its destructive and it tears the country apart. >> melissa: all right. senator amy klobuchar becomes the latest democratic woman to enter the race for the white house, and she is already battling claims that she is a

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as the first woman elected to the united states senate from the state of minnesota. [applause] to announce my candidacy for president of united states. [cheers and applause] >> harris: that was senator amy klobuchar, formally announcing her 2020 presidential bid. the men minnesota democrat posn yourself as as a common sense answer to president trump. after she took the stage in snowy minneapolis -- which is exactly how i remember february there -- [laughter] she was accused of being a difficult boss who mistreated them. politico ran this headline. "her opening page sidetracks. the senator address the allegations early today. >> i love my staff. i wouldn't be where i am at it would be able to pass those bills and do all that work if we didn't have a great staff. i am tough. i push people. that is true.

my point is that i have high executions for myself. i have my expectations for the people that work for me. and i am high expectations for this country. >> harris: current and former club which our staffers have publicly gone the record out to push back against the allegations, some suggesting it's grander than sexism. one former staffer said this. "i have heard people say she's tough to work for, and i i sometimes cringe. i rarely hear that said about male congress is in office, despite the fact that half of them are tough to work four pages probably the most brilliant and hardworking person have had the privilege to work for." >> harris: charlie, you know washington well. it's tough place to work in general. does that former staffer have a point? is it sexism or something else? >> charlie: you know, i always get a little crazy about this inside political hit job from anonymous sources. on the eve of somebody announcing their intentions to run for president. obviously, there is a difference between being a tough boss in some sort of monster. if somebody is a monster, that

generally tends to come out in the campaign. usually hurts them pretty badly. but i find it, this sort of sniping -- it's a washington hit job. i think the biggest reason why we see this right now is because i think a lot of people fear -- a lot of democrats, liberal progressive democrats in washington, fewer somebody like amy klobuchar. because she is not part of the more radical sort of progressive wing of the party. and they don't want to give up. >> harris: minnesota in general, they've got the democratic farmers league. i covered politics there. it's a very different political animal. you can have walter mondale in one neighborhood jesse ventura in another. >> if democrats want to win back those voters that hillary clinton lost the donald trump in those working-class midwestern states, they are going to need somebody like amy klobuchar. not elizabeth warren. >> harris: i heard you chiming in there. former aides, melissa, are

speaking anonymously about fear of retribution described as "toxic office environment, including demeaning emails." that is speaking to what charlie assange, not on the record necessarily. >> melissa: it feels like a bit of a hit job, even if it's true in some way and she is a tough boss. only because it flies in the face of the image she has put out there, even if you look at her presentation where it says "amy," and she is put forward as this "aw shucks" kind of candidate. it would undermine that and go against it. but as a sexist field to me, because it feels like somebody is driving down the road that ss not likable. that has worked on other women, so they -- that's what starts if you like. >> lisa: i disagree. i don't think it sexist. i think it sexist to believe that as a woman somehow you should be insulated from these kinds of attacks. melissa is right -- the reason this could impact her, her 2015 memoir is "the senator next

door." her whole shtick is that she's midwestern and relatable. she does have the higher turnover rate on capitol hill, which -- somebody who spent time on capitol hill, this is something about the type of person she is to work for. if her demeanor behind the scenes is completely contradictory to how she presents herself publicly, that is going to hurt her. i think another problem that she is going to face is the fact that she is just kind of boring. when you look at the fact that there's going to be incredibly competitive democratic frank del my primary field, how to somebody like her -- a bland politician breakthrough? >> melissa: she is the third-highest. at one point, she was the highest. overall, she is the third. i just wanted to make sure -- >> harris: one of the quickest ways the other 16 candidates among the republicans against then-candidate donald j. trump get the names of the headlines as if he sort of elevated them f the like. the president didn't actually go after this story, because i don't forget had happened yet. but she was clearly being snowed

upon. the president talked about her visions on climate change. all of the sudden -- she was trending on twitter. i don't say that to make a joke, but you talk about her being boring and "can't you take on president trump?" i thought was interesting -- >> capri: it's a very stark contrast. that obviously brings that attention to her. the second that president trump -- >> harris: she wasn't bringing attention to herself. >> capri: everybody starts to pay attention. i think you bring up a good point. is it democratic inside job? versus a republican job? >> harris: does a better? >> capri: >> capri: etiquette de actually. >> harris: lisa's head is shaking. >> lisa: i don't think it does. >> capri: internally, with the democratic dynamics -- if we don't put somebody forward he was electable in the fall, we shoot ourselves in the foot. >> lisa: she made her point to take her stuff in the speech. that tells you everything -- she and her chief are concerned about this heading. >> capri: i don't know about that. >> melissa: >> melissa: send elizabeth warren fleming present her bright out of the gate after officially announcing a run for

the white house this weekend. it's a pretty tough stuff coming from massachusetts senator. watch this. >> by the time we get to 2020, donald trump might not even be president. in fact, he might not even be a free person. >> melissa: war and no mention of the past claims of native american heritage. the term conveyed firing back, issuing a statement calling her a fraud. mockingly asking on twitter if warren will run as our first native american presidential candidate. that brought a quick response from another democratic hopeful, kirsten gillibrand. she reportedly said, "president trump's name-calling is irresponsible. it's on presidential. senator warren has been an extra ordinary public servant and i think the way trumpet treats public servants, the way he treats women -- particularly women of color -- is outrageous. it is both sexist and racist."

but republican councilman liz cheney says senator warren has made herself an object of mockery. >> elizabeth warren has made herself a laughingstock, and i don't think anybody should be surprised that that's been the reaction to her and to her continued claims. we saw just last week, she said she was a native american on her application for membership in at least one state bar association. i think the longer that she is out there, the more people are going to be talking about this. it's clear that she is somebody who can't be trusted. >> melissa: in the meantime, a cherokee nation expert calling into msnbc to blast senator warren. watch this. >> elizabeth warren did in fact have a native american ancestor. >> that's completely false. who her family is is not a mystery. she comes from a line of very well-documented white people going back to before the trail of tears. she has been approached by

cherokee people now for the past six years with strong evidence that the story she was told as a family isn't true. she has continued to tell it. >> melissa: goodness. charlie, i think the problem this has is that she just continues to seem so disingenuous. she just said, "this is the story i was told. i believed to have a time. yeah, put on applications. i thought it would help me." >> harris: she said this in 2012 and it came back because she brought it back. >> charlie: it's this whole thing about playing identity politics. in this country we have strived to learn from martin luther king, to move on beyond these things and judge people on the content of their character, not the color of their skin or whatever. but this impulse and politics -- it's the only industry where it still allowed, where racial profiling is not only allowed but it's encouraged. these people who slice and dice the electorate by race, gender,

creed, and everything, and then tailor messages for all those different groups -- it's offensive, and it's destructive to the country. not only was she doing that by claiming native american heritage, but then she went to go feed at the trough for these programs set up to help people who are historically disadvantaged. it's disgusting. and people don't like it. >> harris: i have a question, on the heels of what charlie had said, for you, capri. this isn't to take down the entire idea is that your party may have for economics. when you talk about identity politics, you come to where people of color -- democrats are not taking in toto the message that the president is taking right now. that'll be tough in 2020 prelow sun appointment five decades. can we just get back to those things that would matter to us no matter what the color of our skin is, and make it about the color of opportunity? >> capri: i think anybody successful in 2020 is going to have to focus on just those

things. those "kitchen table issues." one of the challenges in a very crowded yet diverse field, on the one hand it's great because it showing a lot of people think it's possible regardless of your gender or ethnic background but you can run for president of the united states. that's great. on the flip side, in a democratic primary you are cutting up the field in an identity politics way. >> harris: don't make it about running for the white house. make it about getting a job that pays so well -- >> capri: i agree with that. we need to transcend it. but slowly we will be successful. one more thing -- we've got too many senators in this race. if these folks really cared about getting a check and balance are president trump, people like elizabeth warren -- their voices would be better served staying as united states senator rather than toiling in the primaries. >> charlie: aware of the governor 's? >> lisa: up big elizabeth warren has also demonstrated that she's not ready to challenge president trump. he has already been able to goad her into doing a whole campaign -- telling the entire country that she is less native american than the average white person.

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♪ [applause] >> you look at virginia's history, we are at the anniversary. pages 90 miles from here, in 1619, the first indentured servants from africa landed on our shores. we call no fort monroe. >> also known as slavery. >> yeah. how she kept straight face there. >> harris: backing out to the public of turmoil where dropped on mike ralph northam vows to stay on the job and help his state heal, because he's a doctor. but he's also got a bumpy start. his wrist on camera interview since the first room erupted over black face photos in his yearbook. he referred to the commonwealth's first slaves as indentured servants. you saw gayle king correcting him. he failed to clarify, "the historian advised me that the use of integers was more accurate. the fact is, i'm still learning. i'm committed to getting it

right." the reaction to his misstep has been for years. the spokesperson for bridging this the republican party saying, "is the governor so tone-deaf on racism that he can't even use the word slave? he has no moral authority to lead any healing process. the first step in healing the commonwealth would be uttering two simple words -- i resign." this, from the commonwealth chapter of the naacp. "naacp leaders, pastors, and other leaders across the community demand that he immediately resigned as governor." i saw a lot of heads -- overall come activity. what's going on? >> capri: my head explodes over this. i can't understand anyone -- particularly somebody was the governor of the commonwealth of virginia, as the g.o.p. just said. first of all comedic of the g.o.p. and the naacp in agreement that he needs to go. how can you possibly say that slavery is indentured servitude? it's just unbelievable. i'm just beside myself. >> harris: he's now still

learning. i'm only answering what he said. >> capri: how can you still be learning when you are 59 years old and the governor of a state that was the previous capital of the confederacy? >> harris: i've only had one question, charlie, for the governor. only one. it wouldn't matter that he took responsibility and then took it back. if you had the nickname "coonman underneath your name, how much did you dress up in bigoted curative have people see that way customer gives us civil question. if you took response building for the original photo, was also because you have done it more than once? >> charlie: i grew up in virginia during the '80s. the idea that somehow that was acceptable or that people didn't know in the '80s that that was something offensive, it doesn't pass. it's not like he was in high school or something like that. he was in medical school.

it sort of pails -- it's beyond the imagination that he would have thought this was not something that was clearly offensive to people. >> harris: lisa, i also see a lot of head bobbing over there. you have a lot of nonverbal's today. [laughter] >> lisa: we are giving it all away with our facial expressions! as somebody who has worked in political communications, just watching this guy is a train wreck. watching the press conference he originally gave him i thought it was some sort of "snl" parity. i don't understand who on his staff thought it was a good idea for them to ever sit down in front of the camera. he's going to moonwalk until the press conference until his wife told him it was in the permit circumstances. he's going to go away, hide out, not be in front of the camera. he clearly doesn't make his case. what's the most difficult for democrats in the state of virginia now is the fact that you have three of your top elected officials that are all facing and embroiled in their own -- >> harris: to in this category. >> lisa: right. for someone in those three is likely going to step down. who's going to be?

>> harris: you brought up the michael jackson costume. only because you brought it up, our team has this word from the virginia governor on it. let's watch. >> i dressed up as michael jackson. i put some shoe polish on my cheeks. i went to military school, military college, for four years. i polished my shoes almost every day. we did that with what we call a spit shine. a very thin piece of cloth. and the shoe polish goes through that cloth and it gets on your fingers. it's very difficult to remove. >> harris: i'm not sure why he was giving us a primer on how to dress in black face, but we got one anyway. "the washington post" poll finds that virginians over all are completely divided on this issue. kami popped that up? should he stepped on? 47% say yes, 47% say no. six have no opinion. we will leave it there and get your response. >> melissa: i can't get past that interview with gail. i don't know how she sat there.

i just -- everything he said was just more shocking than the las last. if you have read any history books at all, there is a huge difference between being an indentured servant and being a slave. i mean, how -- >> harris: or if you just have a dictionary. >> melissa: how he can claim that anyone told him those were even remotely the same thing is -- and then, to explain the cloth as it it somehow helps the argument. >> harris: was i going? i will you not you should go? >> charlie: i went to military school, i had to try my shoes. it was never in urge on anyone's part to -- >> melissa: to put on your face? >> harris: we pop this up -- should he step down, he poll among white pearls and blacks. you've got almost ready percent of the electorate in virginia's african-american paid this

number is moving. you've got 58% among blacks or less, they say no. should step down, should not step down. why do you think that is, knowing the voting electorate as it is in regina? >> capri: i honestly can't speak to that. that's a pretty surprising number to me, at least, that the african-american community in virginia would say that he should not step down. >> harris: a teachable moment? >> capri: i would differ -- i know that within the entertainment community -- >> harris: so the next time that happens for somebody in the opposition party or an independent or whatever, i wonder what the response would be. >> charlie: i will tell you, the reason that there is that disparity is because among white virginia voters they do find this -- maybe not more offensive, but they are more careful about it. because they have learned over the years that this is not -- this is something that is offensive. and they don't -- >> harris: they don't want to

be judged. >> charlie: but they also don't want to be offending people. routine is a very genteel place. it's kind of like the last place where gentle politics -- if there is any political, that comes out of that, it's the fact that ralph northam ran a campaign two years ago accusing ed gillespie -- who is not a racist and there is no evidence to suggest anything like that -- he played the game of racial politics and accused him of being a racist. for him to now be on the horns of this dilemma is perhaps comical. >> harris: no doubt we will continue to have a conversation as this stays in the news at this point. amid reports that talks have stalled now, lawmakers on capitol hill are scrambling to get a deal done on border security before friday's deadline. can they come up with something? the president would sign, or are we headed for another partial government shutdown? ♪

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today facing a deadline this friday to avert another partial government shutdown. they are trying to reach a deal on border security, but negotiations apparently hit a roadblock over the weekend. the stalemate is over democrats' proposal for new restrictions on immigration, and customs enforcement. forcing the agency to prioritize only undocumented immigrants with criminal records. president trump not buying it, tweeting this morning, "the democrats do not want us to detain or send back criminal aliens. this is a brand-new demand. crazy." over the weekend, republican senator lindsey graham likewise accused democrats of incentivizing crime and endangering the country. listen. >> the president should never, in my opinion, sign a bill that reduces for violent offenders because that puts the country at risk. it incentivizes more violent people to come to the united states. it is a signal that we are not taking violent offenders seriously in america.

>> melissa: but democratic congressman ryan denying that his party is in any way sympathetic to violent criminal criminals. >> i think a lot of people aren't for releasing violent offenders in any regard. that doesn't sound like something that i would be supportive of, or many democrats would be supportive of. i don't think the border wall is immoral. i just don't think it makes a lot of sense. i think we have technologies that are much better equipped to handle what is happening here. >> melissa: tonight the president is holding a political rally in el paso, texas, where he claims the border while reduced crime. fbi staff doesn't back that up. he is expected to push for funding for that border wall. and former texas congressman beto o'rourke will take part in a counter rally at the same time, which is also in el paso. capri, the beast with the first issue here. the idea of reducing the bed space. was that a new demand put out at the end, meant to torpedo this deal close to back it seems like it was getting close to being done.

>> capri: i don't think it was put out there necessarily to torpedo the deal. i think on its face, limiting the beds is somewhat of a reasonable demand. because it -- it is there to try and create a checks and balance so it's not overused. but i also think conversely that the republicans asking for violent criminals to be exempt from that bed cap is also a reasonable request as well. i think at this point that at least democratic leadership might be doing -- and i have no insider information, but this is my assumption here -- i think what's happening is they are assuming there is not a taste for another government shutdown. so what they will do as they will say, "okay, nancy pelosi will say "you go ahead and do that emergency. it'll get litigated in the courts. he won't get your ball, and then the ball is in your court." i think it's risky on the behalf of nancy pelosi, but i think it may be where they're coming from. >> harris: i've got an update from chad pergram, our washington, d.c., producer on capitol hill.

he writes, "with negotiations stalled, we expect the chairs and ranking members of the house and senate probations panels to meet. they have just decided and announced that 3:30 p.m. eastern meeting once lawmakers are back in town." >> capri: that's good. >> harris: the key here -- this is the thing. to avoid that partial government shutdown from happening saturday morning, not so much on forging a deal on border security. are we moving away from getting a deal done, and just trying to keep the government open again, charlie? >> charlie: i think if democrats and leadership now are talking about taking away bed space to detain violent criminals than by all means we are moving away from any kind of a deal. remember, before now the whole notion of abolishing i.c.e. was still kind of a fringe leftist thing that was in the left part of the democratic party. if now democrats are talking about removing bed space, that means if you can't hold people you can't deport them. that is, in effect,

abolishing i.c.e. this is a whole new world now that we are talking about. if that's of the new demand by democrats, we are not going to get a deal at all. because i don't think the president will ever go along with that. everything i love is listening to politicians in washington talk about, "the only problem with the wall as it doesn't work." are you kidding me? you have 35 years to get this problem fix in your complaint is of the wall doesn't work? why would you -- speech you real quick, you also have two sheriff's group that iw written a letter to congress saying this would leadg released on the streets. and also over 90% of the individuals that isa detains either have criminal records or have been previously deported. so it's not just republicans that are criticizing capping the beds. speed to keep it on fox all day and all night after the president holds rally in el paso prayed he will sit down with laura ingraham. that interview airing at 10:00 p.m. eastern on the ingram angle. reaction continues to pour in

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>> melissa: more "outnumbered" in just a moment. let's check in with harris and see what's coming up on "overtime" a few minutes from now. >> harris: that situation in virginia, the scandal there, continues to heat up. the controversy surrounding virginia's top three democrats. house speaker nancy pelosi now insisting this will not affect the democratic party nationally in 2020. some white house hopefuls for the white house are already getting asked about the scandals. the two newest democratic 2020 contenders are facing controversies of their own. before they are even out of the starting block, can they get past all this? i will ask former dnc chair and former pennsylvania governor ed rendell who will join me at the top of the hour on overtime. >> melissa: b look forward to it. >> lisa: new reaction to the new green deal. the progressive proposal revealed by alexandria ocasio-cortez is generating a lot of left-wing enthusiasm. not all democrats on board and

republicans are pouncing on it. here is senator lindsey graham. >> if we don't win in 2020 i will be surprised. it seems like our friends on the other side have literally gone not to the left ditch but to the left edge of the world. venezuela is a good example of what would happen if you put socialist policies in place. >> lisa: meantime, some democratic lawmakers have expressed skepticism about the green new deal. congressman tim ryan is one of them. he says that proposals are basically conversation starters. >> these plans across the board i really value statements. these are value documents. >> lisa: you also have democrats like senator chris murphy that are embracing it. >> i think it's absolutely realistic. an think we need to set our sights high. there are a lot of people who have said it wasn't realistic for united states to get a man on the moon by the end of the 1960s. >> lisa: melissa, is this realistic? i just saw your actions i have

to with you. speech he was really interesting about this is the people who would pay the greatest price for this are the exact people with the democrats claim to represen represent. it's such an elitist idea, where you don't take into mind the fact that when energy prices go up it hurts low income and working-class people the most. the idea that it eliminates a lot of jobs and they talk about the millions of new jobs that will come. those are other jobs where you have to be trained very specifically at a high level and that's why they might pay well, and the rest of the drop should be automated out. it would be a war on working-class people. it is interesting to see democrats embracing that. i think she doesn't even realize that the results would be that. i don't think she's done i kind of mass, or much math of any type. >> lisa: to melissa's point, part of what got them in trouble with the war on coal. the president obama and hillary clinton wage. how does that play with states

like ohio and pennsylvania, wisconsin? >> charlie: talk about not learning any lessons from 2016. this is perfect evidence. until working people can ride a unicorn to work, none of these things are going to work out very well. >> capri: we don't have unicorns in ohio and i think it shows. we are one of the few places. tim ryan and i are from the same place. he is my member of congress, he was the state senator before me. i think you can see that we speak very similarly. people in the middle of the country have a little bit more of a realistic approach. tim, much as i, we believe in climate change. climate change is real. yes, you can create green jobs. but we have to do it in a realistic way. he's right that this is a value statement. it's a resolution. it's not a bill. >> melissa: so he doesn't want to kill all cows? [laughter] >> capri: as far as i know he's not a vegetarian or vegan. >> lisa: alexandria ocasio-cortez has also come under fire for ridiculous document she posted saying they want to provide jobs for people who are unwilling to work.

do you think democrats are regretting elevating her to such a high stature? >> charlie: and will think they have much of a choice. she represents a lot of the base and the democratic party. the more liberal base. she is what is going to animate this presidential primary, which is a huge help for president trump. but i do like the idea that democrats are thinking big now, about big operations. maybe this means that we could get to -- i don't know, building a wall? or doing whatever we do need to do along the southern border to secure the border. i think that would be a much bigger winner with voters. >> capri: a solar wall. >> charlie: there you are. >> lisa: capri, is this a litmus test? >> capri: i think it is proven to be so somewhat of a litmus . that's what we see them sign onto this resolution, because it's something that -- again, you're competing for the base. this is something that has happened. you got to win. if democrats, if their objective is to be donald trump this in the way to do it.

listen to guys like tim ryan. they get it. >> lisa: melissa, any parting words of wisdom? preferably, 30 seconds cluster mug [laughter] >> melissa: when she called the green dream or whatever it was, that said it all. >> charlie: may be to reevaluate. >> melissa: a good rule of thumb. >> lisa: all right. also, the push to renewables in ten years doesn't really make -- it's probably not going to happen. not really realistic. we've got more "outnumbered" in just a moment so stay with us. ♪ your brain changes as you get older. but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.

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>> melissa: we want to thank charlie hurt. you have a final thought to get yourself in trouble here in the last few seconds? [laughter] >> charlie: i'm very good at avoiding those opportunities to get myself in trouble, because i always get myself in trouble! [laughter] >> melissa: there you go. well, a lot of issues on the table today. do yourself in trouble. you don't want to join the pack. that's good for you. thanks to both of you, as well. we are back here at noon eastern

tomorrow. for now, here's harris. >> harris: let's start with this fox news alert. a plan to impeach virginia's lieutenant governor on hold, at least for now as the commonwealth embattled governor says he is not going anywhere. you are watching "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. a virginia lawmaker has backed off his plan to introduce articles of impeachment against lieutenant governor at justin fairfax today. after a second woman came forward to accuse him of rate democratic delegate patrick hope says more thoughtful discussions need to be taking place before anything is filed. fairfax vehemently denies the allegations in this calling on the fbi now to investigate. both accusers say they are willing to testify at impeachment proceedings. meanwhile, democratic governor ralph northam, who is facing calls to step down over recessed photos from his past, says he can help virginians heal because he's a doctor and he's not going anywhere.