right customer 20 years. what a moment. the cabinet meeting is underway. we will get a comment momentarily. >> sandra: hopefully. we will see if there's any devoutness out of that. thank you for joining us prayed we will see you tomorrow morning. to be starts now >> harris: a business news day. the president is holding a cabinet meeting, and we are expecting remarks from him on the agreement lawmakers say they have reached on border security. he reportedly falls far short of the $5.7 billion in wall funding the president has been requesting. this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today is melissa francis. town hall editor at fox news contributor, katie pavlich. fox news contributor, jessica tarlov. and in the center seat, he made from across the street. david webb, host of "reality check" on fox nation streaming service. in a brand-new reality check mug. i didn't get mine!

did you get yours? >> david: now there is a watch! >> harris: there is a watch, too? let's watch this. president trump is doubling down on his push for a portable during a camping-style rally in el paso, texas, last night near the border of mexico. he has not yet said if you will sign the deal the lawmakers have reached, but he has suggested he will do everything necessary to build the wall. speak out it's called setting the stage. we are setting the table. we are doing whatever we have to do. the wall is being built, it will continue. it's going at a rapid pace. i want people to come into our country, but they have to come in legally and they have to come in through merit. [cheers and applause] so they can help us build our country. make america great again! pretty soon we are going to be seeing "keep america great!" >> harris: just this morning the leaders of the senate weighed in.

>> the notion that congress shouldn't spend more than $1 on new border barriers, and the idea that we should impose a hard statutory cap on ice detainees -- fortunately, our democratic colleagues did abandon those unreasonable positions and the negotiations were able to move forward productively. >> we must not have a rerun of what happened a few months back, where legislators -- democrat and republican, house and senate -- agreed, and president trump pulled the rug out from under the agreement and because they shut down. if he opposes this agreement, the same thing could happen again. we don't need it. >> harris: sources are telling "the hill" that the deal includes about $1.3 billion for 55 new miles of fencing. an increase in spending for the department of homeland security. a decrease in the number of beds

at boarding detention facilities. the white house says it cannot say if it will support this measure until all the details have been confirmed. lawmakers have until friday night to reach a deal to avert another partial government shutdown. david webb, we are getting so close to the next step in all of this. do you think they've got it? >> david: no. >> harris: why not? >> david: there are a couple of blockades in the senate, one of them being richard shelby, and the other being john cornyn. there are two problems with this deal. the money being offered by the democrats is a farce. their latest shift is to detention beds, the goal being that you don't have it. from the original proposal, you can either capture and old nor oral don't like cold long and if she can into the country. this is a de facto open border proposal by the democrats. the fencing will not get done. remember, there's another farce in this. there is not 700 miles of actual hard fencing. there's only 356 miles of real

fence, that's in place permanently. the rest is portable fence. we need to deal with this issue, they are not dealing with security. they are dealing with politics. >> harris: let me jump in, because in the rally last night -- and you can see it on social media today, resonating from that point. "finish the wall." which goes into some of the details were talking about. the president has talked all along about taking funding and kind of upgrading and refurbishing the balance of those miles of -- i don't know what you just called it, but light fence line. >> david: there are a couple of things that do exist. one -- and you can look at ten usc 284, gives authorization to the president on some issues relating to the border. when you ask the agency's to go out and find the money that existed, they found more money than the $5.7 billion. most of it can be used. some of it you would have to work around, there are some legal issues. the money is there, but that's not enough.

this has got to be dealt with as an all or nothing. because the president has to get this done. it's about security, and the politicians that are in the way, mostly democrat and including a few republicans, they don't really care about security. they are playing games with. >> harris: you mentioned, senator richard shelby of alabama. >> david: the former democrat he became convenient republican. >> harris: a probations committee, is what i understand. it is somewhat about the money because we are far afield of the original $25 billion. >> katie: they wanted $26 billion to complete the fence or the border barrier. experts on the ground up and asking for that for years. the 2006 fence act approved, that democrats and her republicans voted for, 700 miles of fencing that has not been completed. now they are backing it back. but they approved 700 miles without funding it. the point now is that you already approved the mileage. you should be approving the funding to make sure -- >> harris: appropriate the

cash! >> katie: in terms of this deal, it's pretty garbage. $1 billion for 55 miles of fencing that still allows people to get through it? what's the point of that? >> harris: it's mostly a vehicle fence line. it can hold back some people. >> katie: on the issue of the beds. democrats were rightly concerned about the overcrowding of these i.c.e. detention facilities on the board last year. the ministers and came back and said, "we will get $5 billion so we can get beds. we will have a more humane system because we have to detain these people. they are coming into this country on orderly and illegally." another want to put a cap on it so anybody can just come into the country and be released into the interior? that's insane. >> harris: i had a pretty terse back and forth yesterday with the democrat congressman from california. normally we are all smiles with each other, garamendi. at one point he was arguing that the number of beds would not be cut for people who have not committed further crimes other than coming. at least we got on the same

page. we got on the same page about that. but he said, it would specifically be for those people who are alleged to have committed more violent crimes. we went round and round on this so we could get on the same page, but that's what everybody's talking about. >> david: is a flat out lie, for one. >> harris: i want jessica to have a quick second to respond. she's a democrat. >> jessica: i am. last night i think we need to see the text of it before we get into this. hopefully that will be laid out. i agree, if i was a republican or a trump republican, i should say, i think the deal deftly benefited democrats. it's less than the $1.6 billion chuck schumer initially give to the president that he turned down. i have seen that the number of beds will be malleable. so the number comes down at the beginning, but there are ways to get more beds in there. the president needs to keep the government open. he did not benefit from the last shutdown. >> harris: i think congress needs to try to do that. >> jessica: but it will be up to him now. congress will be unified in passing this like they were a

month and a half ago. >> melissa: it's such a tremendous policy shift, though, for democrats to go from, "we need beds because we want to be humanitarians about this and we want to try and help people," to "we are going to have fewer beds. we will defer this fencing but now we won't spend money." i don't know -- when it already agreed it was our policy, they just didn't put money toward it. that makes it feel that it's about thwarting the president. >> david: let's be honest about washington, d.c., the house and senate. there are two lies told to the american people. one, is the vote in the senate we can vote for or against something but it never gets the floor. second, katie brought it up. you can vote to approve legislation that you never appropriate. in the 2006 act and what came out of that -- and was investigated by -- they spent $1 billion on 1 mile of wall. we are being lied to when the democrats say they support it.

the lie is i can say i voted for it but i never appropriate. it. this is fact. >> katie: can i say one more thing about the beds issue? they say they want to cap it for the reason of not wanting to detain people who come here illegally. they are calling them law-abiding immigrants, when they don't have any kind of legal status. and the fact that we have this bed problem that we are debating the number of beds. it proves there is a crisis of thousands of people coming into the country, claiming asylum falsely, coming into the country illegally, and that proves the point that this is a crisis that has to be dealt with. because we are spending money on beds. we are building new facilities. our democrats want to limit it and release all these people. which, again, shows that there is a problem on the border with people coming into the country. >> melissa: can i ask most of our people come in, and you have people who are supposed be families with their children or whatever. doesn't it make sense to take a moment to see if they are healthy, to see if they are with people who are actually their parents to make sure they aren't

being traffic? isn't what they are for? >> jessica: it is. which is why there was 40,000 of them. the phraseology of "law-abiding immigrants close to when they haven't even been processed through the asylum system, that's not the right moniker for that. what they are trying to get at is there people coming here with legitimate cause. they have been hounded out of honduras or guatemala. they are come here for a better life and they are going to be killed. they have no opportunities -- >> david: 42,000 of them, jessica? >> jessica: i think if we went and looked at those countries he would deftly find 42,000 -- >> david: there are no -- one over 93% of them get their asylum claims turned aside. by the way, the other side of the tension with the beds. lift look what it is. when we capture people, we find an illegal alien, that detention space -- which is the way the president classified and that's important -- that space is where they keep that person. it's not just about the

"asylum-seekers" coming across the border. >> harris: that's a very important point. what i said to congressman garamendi yesterday, that space is critical because that's where we hold them prior to deportation. if you take away that custody, those moments and that detention, and you take away that facility's ability to house people, are you then wiping away what they do? it goes out and captures people. where are they going to put them? and can you deport them if you have no place to process? >> katie: if democrats don't want 219 the immigrant communities, where people are living for years at a time, they don't want i.c.e. going into doing these raids. however, they don't undertaking them at the border and put into these humanitarian processing centers either. so you have to pick one. you can't just allow people to flow into the country and be upset when i.c.e. goes to look for them. >> harris: i would love to know the democrats' response to that. we are going to slide in this breaking news. the el chapo verdict has been

reached. el chapo guzman, leader of the night don't like notorious sinaloa cartel. ten counts engaging in criminal enterprise. cocaine distribution conspiracy, the description of firearms. conspiracy to launder narcotics. in some cases, facing life in prison. it's a complicated series of what happens next if he is found guilty on the some charges and not of others. we have been covering this trial. we cannot tell you yet what the verdict is, but we can report that el chapo, the verdict is i in. as the jury has reached this verdict we have been waiting in deliberations now for several days. prosecutors had said at the federal level that they felt they had a ton of evidence. through a reporting of branyan's who has been on this case from the very beginning , it looks like they might. as we always know with these cases, you got to see the evidence first and now the verdict. as it comes through to us, we

will take that information life. we are trying to get bryan up, as well. melissa cuesta mike >> melissa: in the meantime, as president trump held his rally, potential 22 at duke and under beto o'rourke spoke at his own event about half a mile away. the president poking fun at the congressman's possible white house ambitions. >> a young man who's got very little going for himself, except he's got a great first name. he challenges. what i would say is it may be the end of his presidential bid. but he did challenge us. [applause] >> melissa: he went darkly after the president's message on the claim that the border will help to reduce crime in his hometown of el paso. >> here we are at the center of the u.s.-mexico border. at the center of the conversation, about the future of the border.

of immigration. of our relationship with mexico. here, and one of the safest cities in the united states of america, safe not because of walls but in spite of walls. >> melissa: he remains one of the most high-profile democrats who still has yet to officially declare a bid for the presidenc presidency. with many attendees at his rally holding signs urging him to run for the white house. the national media taking note, some outlets suggesting that the head-to-head rallies may turn out to be overworked's possible first 2020 moment, as abc news put it. jessica , i will start with you. is a somebody that you feel has a good chance? typically has a following. >> jessica: he has a constituency and i fink is a great messenger. he is coming within ted cruz in texas, that's a big deal.

he's a worthwhile addition to the conversation. it's a rally to put the messages up against each other. that's where he was a representative. it should be noted, president trump won texas by nine points but he lost el paso by 43. so this is more naturally beto o'rourke's constituency than president trump's. the majority of the people at president trump's rally came from other areas of texas to see him. i think it's a great messenger. i'm not sure once we see everyone who's getting in, if he is going to come out on top there. but we welcome all voices. i was incredibly impressed with his campaign percentage. >> melissa: we are showing you the white house live there because we are expecting the lab sounds from the president. no doubt he will be talking about this issue, and the second we get it we will bring it to you. david, go ahead. what were you saying? $670 million to lose, mostly from outside money. beto o'rourke actually liked up at all altogether. let's look at some facts. 2001, there's a spike in crime

in el paso. i was down in texas at the time, so i have been tracking this and see '90s on the border. since the mid- of posturing 90s. you get to do thousand eight when actually put up physical barriers in el paso. time had -- increased enforcement, after 2008 it took a sharp drop because of the things they did in el paso. >> melissa: everybody looks at that series, so they can find the inflection points of their own and kind of make their case. i understand. >> harris: can i get this word end? a hear all of these numbers, but on his twitter feed and also in interviews, the mayor of el paso has been taking extreme exception to the perception of this city as being a place that is lawless. so i want to get out of there. >> jessica: and it never was. >> david: it actually was, i've actually been there. >> jessica: but he's the mayor mayor. >> katie: el paso today is a safe place. >> harris: that's what he says. he didn't deny -- >> katie: across the border come across the fence come

across the wall, an average of 100 murders per month last year. >> harris: in fact, katie, it has a visceral -- when you stand on one side of el paso and you will get to juarez, what you see at night? >> katie: gunfire. >> david: there are parents in the warez who have their kids daily walking to el paso to go to school because we don't check -- it's very different scene. go to the parking lots in el paso as i did back in the '90s and early 2000s, you see the change up to 2008. and there is -- >> harris: well, the mayor says the change has been very big. i just wanted to get out of there. >> melissa: political turmoil continues for virginia's top three democrats, in a prison term for speaking out about embattled governor ralph northam. this as justin fairfax's staffers have quit amid allegations against their boss. can they hold onto power, and what does it mean for the democratic party? plus, fallout continues even after democratic congresswoman

ilhan omar apologizes about remarks about congressional support for israel. some say that's not enough, and that the democrats need to do more. >> now we have those same members, many of them tripping all over each other, running away from the house floor so they don't have to condemn anti-semitism. and they are accepting an apology via twitter. ♪

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>> harris: we are on the verdict watch right now. the speech of guzman trial, the deliberations have been going on for several days. jurors have come back with a verdict. we don't know yet what it will be, but we are told to expect it in the next little while. at this trial has been salacious, as you know. we have covered many moments

with it without fox news team on the story here, and we have even seen some of the people who have come into town to testify in this trial. it has gone one way in terms of drugs, illegal drugs, and it has gone another way in terms of how many times el chapo has escaped, been recaptured, and the women in his life have provided some interesting details. our bryan llenas is in brooklyn, new york. it has been dramatic and now potentially an ending to it. bryan? >> hi, harris. that's exactly right. it has been dramatic in this trial. this jury of four men and eight women have been at this for about three months. so any moment now we will finally hear what their verdict is. this is a complicated trial, not only in the sense of the couch. there are ten federal counts that this jury has had to consider over the last six days of deliberations. also, in the sense of the

avalanche of evidence that the prosecution has put in that they are considering. over the last three months, some 56 witnesses have gone on and testified against joachim el troppo guzman. not only that, there have been tons of cocaine seizures that have been shown. rifles, not only that, text messages and phone calls presumably of el chapo making deals. the avalanche of evidence that they've had to consider, but also the entirety of the counts we are looking at are complicated. the big one we will be hearing for and trying to look out for right now is count one. that's engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise. was joaquin elea capital guzman in charge of the sinaloa cartel? that count has some 27 different violations that the jury is going to have to consider. the jury only has to find that he is guilty on three of those 27 violations of to find him guilty on that first count. and that is really the big one,

because if the jury, for instance, finds that not only was he in charge of the cartel but that this cartel made over $10 million over one year, and that they had at least seized 150 kilograms of cocaine -- if those questions or one of those questions is answered, yes, he could get mandatory life in prison. we are talking about, again, some ten federal counts and seven cocaine charges. a firearms charge, a money laundering charge, and running a criminal enterprise. this has been an extraordinary case, as you have mentioned, harris. no one has ever brought in as much cocaine, meth, heroin, illicit drugs into the united states than this one man. over the course of 25 years. the prosecution told the story about how a man in the mountains of sinaloa, mexico found ways to bring in that smugly strokes through tunnels, through illegal ports of entry, in dramatic ways. he has invaded capture for 20

years. twice escaping prison in 2001 and again in 2015. in 2001, and a laundry cart. in 2015, n/a my mile-long tunne tunnel. this has been a 2-year saga. he was extradited to the united states, landing in long island in january of 20. for the last two years he has been held in solitary confinement. 22, 23, 24 hours in that jail cell. now we will all await the fate of the man who is known as the most notorious and infamous drug trafficking we have known. >> melissa: to build on some things that you said, 200 hours of testimony, fortune government cooperators. 56 witnesses. the case that they put on is staggering. is there a chance? we know this is the second week of deliberations that the over complicated. was it too much for the jury? >> right, that's a really good point. the defense has come in and said, "look, there's enough reasonable doubt.

of these 56 witnesses, 14 of them are people who are criminals in their own right." that was the big defense that they've made. that you can't trust these criminals. you cannot convict el chapo and trust the word of men who have killed plenty of other people and have taken charge in the drug trafficking area, as well. >> harris: bryan llenas, of course we will come back to you as the news warrants. we wait that verdict of the el chapo trial here in new york. thank you. now we want to take it to the avenues that is breaking right now. the president of the united states on the heels of a huge rally, just a mile from our border with mexico in el paso, texas, last night. he is in the cabinet meeting room right now. this will be our first opportunity to hear from him. he made a case for the wall and funding for it, and we know that on capitol hill a bipartisan group of conferees have come up with a deal. now the question is, will he signed this deal? is it enough for him for the wall? did they have enough skin in the game for what they want, as

well? now, the president of the united states. >> president trump: did you sign >> president trump: i have to study it. i'm not happy about it. it's not doing the trick, but i'm adding things to it. i will add whatever i have to add. it's all going to happen. we are going to build a beautiful, big, strong wall that's not going to let criminals and traffickers and drug dealers and drugs get into our country. it's very simple. we are building a wall. now i'm saying we are finishing a wall. we just started a big, big section on the rio grande. you probably saw it. some of you were there when they started. he went there, he didn't believe it. you go there, i see trucks over the place. you say, "hey, he's not kidding." i don't kid. i never kid about construction, highlight construction. i do it for the right price. and we are getting a beautiful construction that is also less expensive to build and works much better. that's a good combination of

events, because it was crazy what they were putting up. in fact, i happen to think that the walls they were building were so unattractive and so ugly that walz got bad names. if that means anything. but they were so ugly, with rusted steel and big ugly plates on top there were all at ten canned. it calls that when they are wavy because the heat makes them expand and contract. i said, "why didn't you made the steel?" "we save money by not paying to get." "but it's going to rest." i've ordered a lot of steel. i've never seen in my whole life steel come to me that was unpainted. this can only happen at the border. it wasn't me. that was our past geniuses. so i can tell you, am i happy at first glance? i just got to see it. the answer is now. i'm not. i'm not happy. but in my happy with where we are going? i am thrilled. because we are supplementing

things and moving things around, and we are doing things that are fantastic. taking from far less important areas. the bottom line is, we are building a lot of wall. right now we are building a lot of wall. you think it's easy? we are building the face of tremendous obstruction and tremendous opposition. from a small group of people. one thing that happened that was i think very revealing, we have the biggest and best border agents and experts come up and see the committee. they said, more than anything else, you need a barrier. you need a wall. and the recommendation was unacceptable to the committee. that tells you more than anything else. [reporters asking questions] >> president trump: i don't think you are going to see a shut down. i want to go to it. if you did have it, it's the

democrats' fault. i accepted the first one, and i'm proud of what we've accomplished. because people learned during that shutdown all about the problems coming in from the seven border. i accept that, i've always excepted it. but this one, i would never accept if it happens. by don't think it's going to happen. this would be totally on the democrats. okay? >> reporter: mr. president, do you think you made amends -- you grudgingly accepted -- >> president trump: is always nice to negotiate a little bit. whatever you get. i would hope there won't be a shutdown. i'm extremely unhappy with what the democrats have given us. it's sad. they are doing their country no favor. they are hurting our country very badly. we certainly don't want to see a shutdown. but you will be hearing fairly soon. the bottom line is, on the wall, we are building a wall. and we are using methods other than this. in addition to this, we have a lot of things going. we have a lot of money in this

country and we are using some of that money, a small percentage of that money, to build a wall which we desperately need. [indistinct question] not at this moment. we have our people over there now. i just got a report, things are going well with china. china wants to make a deal very badly. i wanted to be a real deal, not just a deal that makes cosmetically looks good for a year. we have a chance to make a real deal with china. who's never been in this position before. we have always been the lame duck. and we are not the lame duck anymore. we have gone up tremendously in value as a country, in economic value. tremendously. larry, we've gone up -- what, $11 trillion customer $14 trillion? and china has gone down close to $20 trillion. >> china is the worst-performing stock market in the world. >> president trump: has

anybody ever heard of larry kudlow? left back that voice, i hear that voice. and you think of money. right, larry? >> thank you, sir. [laughter] >> president trump: i didn't even know that. china, he said, is the worst-performing stock market in the world. we want china to do well. that's because of us. we have to be one of the best performing stock markets. but we are the best-performing country. we have a lot of potential. so we are doing very well over in china, our people are there. the people are very well. i think we are going to have some good answers. either way, i'm happy. i'm happy either way. i could live receiving billions and billions of dollars a month from china. china never give us $0.10. it was always the opposite way. now they are paying billions of dollars a month for the privilege of coming into the united states.

honestly, taking advantage of our country. so we are seeing how it works out. at some point expect to meet with president xi, who i have a lot of respect for and like a lot. and make the parts of the deal that the group is unable to make. that's the way deals happen. >> reporter: it will the march o you think? >> president trump: well, thus far -- the tariffs pick up for us. we take it much more money because the tariffs -- there's nothing they can do that's comparable. so it's not like tit for tat. the tariffs kick in, they go up. right now they are paying 25% on $15 billion. okay? and they are paying 10% on $200 billion. so we have $250 billion, we have $267 billion that we were very nice about that we are not taxing. on the $200 billion, we are paying the 10%. the 10%, it goes up to 25% on march 1st.

so far i've said, "don't do that." if we are close to a deal we think we can make a real deal and it's going to get done, i could see myself letting that slide for a little while. generally speaking, i'm not inclined to do that. okay? [indistinct questions] >> reporter: would you consider a national emergency to build a wall? >> president trump: i consider everything. i'm considering everything. we also have national emergencies out there. president obama, president clinton, president bush -- they declared many national emergencies. this is not unique. they declared many national emergencies. many, many. you have some out there that we can use in addition to one that we can declare if we want to. thank you very much, everybody. thank you. [reporters asking questions] >> melissa: okay, that was the president and the candidate room on moments compete among highlights, he said he has seen the deal progress putting together. "i'm happy with it? no. i'm happy with where it's going?

yes. i don't think it will be shut down." he says he doesn't want to see a shutdown, also commenting on china and the talks going on there with president xi, saying that china wants to make a deal. and that they are the worst performing stock market in the world right now. now we want to turn into the verdict that has been reached in the trial of el chapo guzman. we are going to go to bryan llenas in brooklyn right now. we understand that he is guilty on at least one count. fill us in. >> that's right. walking el troppo guzman was just found guilty on count one, engaging in the continuing criminal enterprise through this journey of 12 americans has now sentenced the world's most notorious drug traffickers life in prison. it's a mandatory life in prison. this jury found not only was he the leader of this sinaloa cartel over 25 years and in charge of prolific drug trafficking, 200 tons of cocaine

were seized, but also that he engaged in murder conspiracy. that was one of the violations in this count one. there were 27 violations. this jury found him guilty on 26 of those violations, including murder conspiracy. again, this man who gained infamy for escaping and evading justice in mexico, he will not be evading justice anytime soon. the 61-year-old drug lord sentenced to life in prison. again, we spoke about the evidence. a lot of people were talking about why this was taking so long, given the avalanche of evidence that the prosecution has shown. the phone calls, the text message, and we are now just hearing that this jury has found el chapo guilty on all accounts. not just count one, but guilty on all ten federal counts. that includes seven drug trafficking charges, that includes leading and engaging in a criminal enterprise, a

firearms charge, as well as money laundering. so, yes, el chapo will be spending the rest of his life in prison. guys? >> harris: before i let you go -- because we do want to bring in senior judicial analysts in just a moment. what was the tone, the tenor, the mood inside the courtroom that's being reported? >> i can tell you this -- we are still waiting on our border that was inside the courtroom. they have not been let go just yet. we will get the details on that. i will tell you this -- el chapo, every single day of his 3-month trial, came in smiling. he was upbeat, he would wave to his wife who was there. he really seemed confident, especially with his defense attorney, jeffrey lichtman. when he gave his closing argument, he shook his hand emphatically, el chapo did. he seemed to be approving as to what this defense did. he seemed to be, as from what the lawyer said, come. he was prepared for the worse, not expecting, but prepared for the worse. calm end.

we will see what the result is when the reporter comes out. >> harris: i know each day you have been telling us about that smile on his face. there were some chippy moments. he talked about his wife, and the mistress gave quite a bit of testimony in this trial, as well. we'll come back to for more. bryan llenas. fox senior judicial analyst andrew napolitano joins me now. or joins us, i should say. judge, let me ask you this. first we hear about a guilty on one count life sentence. and then we hear guilty on all ten federal counts. are we surprised that it's a full guilty? >> no, i'm not surprised. evidence of his guilt, harris, was overwhelming. the defense was the people who testified against him were crooks and thugs who had participated in all kinds of horrific things themselves. therefore, they shouldn't be believed. quite frankly, the government did a truly brilliant job of not only getting all these people from mexico to come to united states and testify

against him, but in corroborating their testimony with forensic evidence. physical things, and texts and emails that can't lie. the reason it took the jury as long as it did was because of the mountain and volume of the evidence. i think we can tell from the questions they asked during the deliberation. that they went through all of this methodically. as to the outcome, it's no surprise at all. >> harris: i'm reading here that the evidence included testimony from 14 cooperators. that's a lot of people. >> you know, sometimes that explodes in the governments face. because the cooperators don't cooperate unless they have been charged with something, and have been promised a reduced jail sentence themselves. so the argument of defense counsel -- this guy has been bribed by the government. do you really want to believe them? that often falls on deaf ears when there is a pattern of behavior. as i said, it is backed up by

forensics. physical things that can't lie. >> melissa: judge, it's melissa francis. let me ask you -- 60 pages of jury instructions. obviously, it worked out. was that a risk? >> there's a lot of technical issues in this case. murder is a crime but it's not a federal crime. nevertheless, murder is a predicate. it's one of the ways you prove a human being ran a continuing criminal enterprise. so the court had to be very careful in the way it instructed the jury. i looked at those jury instructions -- i thought they were crafted wonderfully. they explained to nonlawyers, members of the jury, what the obligation was that the government had. what it had to prove, and how it had to go about proving it. and how they could find him not guilty or guilty. i don't think there's any issue with the jury charges at all. i know 60 pages is long, and a

lot of judges don't like to send the jury charges in writing into the jury. rather, they read it aloud to the jury. the preferred method today, when they are that long and complex, is to let the jury have it and spent time reading it. >> harris: real quick, judge, where does he go from this point? you got life in prison on that first count. from what i'm reading, there will be several lives in prison. we only have one life to give. >> right. there's no question as to what the judge, what the sentence of the judge will impose. as branyan us so nicely said, the statute commands life in prison. he will stay. there will be a formal sentencing, even though it's just a from audi. we will he go, probably to florence, colorado. it's the most secure prison the federal government has. it's 250 feet below the surface of the earth. >> melissa: do you think the defendant will challenge at this point? is it the end of the road? >> he has nothing to lose by counting. i don't think you will prevail,

but has a couple of issues that has lawyers forced during the trial, which are bona fide appellate issues that i'm sure they will raise. but i think he will be in florence, colorado before the appellate court hears arguments. >> melissa: judge andrew napolitano, thank you so much for jumping in front of the camera there on this breaking news. el chapo, as you heard, guilty on all counts. will keep you updated on the story, and also, the fallout continues even after democratic congresswoman ilhan omar apologizes for remarks about congressional support for israel. some say that's not enough, and that the democrats here need to do more. >> now we have those same members, many of them tripping over each other, running away from the house floor so they don't have to condemn anti-semitism. and they are accepting an apology via twitter. ♪

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>> harris: new reaction today to a decision from democrats to not punish congresswoman ilhan omar after she apologized for each wheat but some called anti-semitic. it is to become a top house democrats condemned the congresswoman for tweets suggesting that the pro-israel lobbyist group aipac pays members of congress to support israel. she didn't just suggested that she treated it out. house democrats will not strip that freshman lawmaker of her committee assignments or take any other actions at this point. in her apology, congresswoman omar writes, "anti-semitism is real and i'm grateful for jewish allies and colleagues who are educating me on the painful history of anti-semitic troops. my intention is never to offend my constituents or jewish americans as a whole. at the same time, i reaffirm the problematic role of lobbyists and our politics." now, some republicans are calling out democrats for a double standard. katie pavlich, an apology that

comes with a "but." >> katie: a big "but." she issues this under the pressure of house leadership coming out on dropping the hammer on her to do so. i'm glad they acknowledge the anti-semitism does exist, and they have a problem with it. they have a lot of work to do. there are a number of house members who are democrats who gladly stood with louis farrakhan who are still in office. they have not condemned him. ilhan omar can issue this apology -- not an apology, but the fact that her history shows a completely different story. she has left off the idea in a radio interview that al qaeda and hezbollah are terrorist organizations. she has an upcoming speaking engagement with a man who believes that it's beautiful that martyrs pay and give money to people who want to murder jews in tel aviv and jerusalem. she is a lot of work to do when it comes to her past. when it comes to israel, this is a very basic reason -- but the reason why the united states supports israel is because they have western values, they support many of the things that

we do. it's an investment. they give us intelligence and they give us technology. palestinians pay terrorists to kill americans. that's the difference. >> harris: we want to hear more. obviously from you, jessica, this is an important topic today. we will take a very quick commercial break and come right back on this topic. stay close okay, max...time to help mrs. tyler reach her health goals! i'm in! but first... shelfie! the great-tasting nutrition of ensure. with up to 30 grams of protein

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>> just last month you had house democrats tripping all over each of the running to the floor of the house of representatives to condemn white supremacy and a resolution that named congressman steve king. he apologized. he was still thrown off of his committee assignments. now we have those same members, many of them tripping all over each other running away from the house floor so they don't have to condemn anti-semitism. they are accepting an apology via twitter. >> melissa: that was cumbersome and lee zeldin, bringing the discussion back out. before the break katie was talking about the reason why americans should see commonality with israel. and the idea of human rights, democratic values. jessica, your thoughts on that? >> jessica: i was glad that speaker pelosi wrote that letter and pointed that out. because that is the thing that barely bonds us together with israel. i don't believe this is the last instance we are going to see if

this, and it will continue to be an issue. something the democratic party needs to contend with. >> melissa: why? >> jessica: there is a faction of the democratic party that does believe that palestinians don't get a fair shake in the conversation about israeli-palestinian relations. they do have an issue with aipac, which i would add it was $3.5 million that they used in lobbying. that's not to say that they aren't powerful. but this will come up again. to the point about steve king versus representative omar, you have a 12 or 15 years of steve king making racist remarks. you also have kevin mccarthy tweeting -- kevin mccarthy, they're going to tilt the election. they use the same anti-semitic troops that she did. everyone who doesn't should apologize and they should never do it again. >> david: her track record matter. >> jessica: she's been in congress for 5 minutes. >> david: but her track record matter spheres. >> melissa: we've gotta go. morse between five and just a a moment to liberty mutual.

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>> melissa: be sure to check out david webb's show on our streaming service, fox nation. it is called "reality check," and you don't want to visit. thank you for joining us today. we will be back on the couch tomorrow. now, here's harris. >> harris: and breaking news now. a jury in new york city has found infamous mexican drug lord el chapo guilty on all counts. this is "outnumbered overtime," i'm harris faulkner. joaquin "el chapo" guzman found guilty on all ten criminal counts. the notorious mexican drug lord now facing life in prison. branyan is covering the story for us to live outside the u.s. district court in brooklyn, new york, with new details now. bryan? >> hi, harris. this jury of 12 -- four men and eight women -- took 34 plus hours of deliberation over the course of six hours to get to this guilty verdict. joaquin "el c