lawyers get the facts but then they make conclusions and politicians just want the attention. he got it and i wonder if anybody's going to ask him, how did you get this all wrong. >> trey gowdy, good to see you as always. on this tuesday night, tucker is up next. ♪ >> tucker: good evening, welcome to "tucker carlson tonight" tonight. bernie sanders is running for president not that he ever stopped. sanders announced his second campaign this morning and a ten minute video. but before you drop everything and watch it, take half a moment to appreciate just how much america and the democratic party have changed over the past four years. pull up sandra's first presidential announcement speech. it was may 26, 2015 in burlington, vermont, and sanderson's look different but the second thing if you watch it just how familiar are his words

sound. it is spooky. virtually all of the themes sanders announcement speech, his first one, in the end got donald trump elected president. the collapse of the middle class, the cost of health care and student loans. the pointlessness of perpetual war in the middle east. the distorting effects of the washington lobbyist and donors swamped. dangerous of corporate power and the need for better jobs and higher wages for america, the generational disaster that is the trade policy. it is all there, everything to build a wall. sanders often described 1970s era socialist and that is basically true, the honeymoon of the soviet union. he looks like he combs his hair with a balloon. but if you listen carefully what bernie sanders was really selling in the last campaign was not marxism but economic policy and a lot of people agreed with it. many voted for donald trump and the general election. in case you have forgotten coming here is what bernie sanders sounded like beck them. >> i am fighting to break up the

large banks on wall street's. but i do want the opportunity to tell them face to face what they are greed and illegal behavior has done to the country. [cheers and applause] >> if wall street does not and it's greed, we will end it for them. [cheers and applause] >> tucker: well, you can disagree whether wall street and the big bang really driving america with all politicians and overstayed her. but looking back, there was something touchingly old fashion about the way bernie sanders ran that campaign. sanders made no appeal at all to interest groups. he explicitly opposed interest groups. instead he talked about national unity and the people left behind. his first speech did not mention the words racism or sexism or for that matter abortion or gun control. he said nothing about immigration or noncitizens. sanders was running for americans, all with you would

agree with him or not, needless to say sanders quickly found himself at war with democrats. the democratic party has no place for the idea of nationhood. it rejects existence of universal interest in values instead of common american culture, democrats see only tribes. bernie sanders is pushing 80 and seems completely bewildered by the changes in attitudes. in the weeks after 2016 election, sanders told one reporter hillary clinton bossed the race because it's not good enough to say i am a woman, vote for me. sanders was right, obviously. he was way too late. modern democrats are defined by identity politics and the idea your birth and your accent determines your worth, your value. some favorite and others blamed and punished. matters into what you do, the choices that you make, what matters who you are genetically. and brett kavanaugh nominated supreme court six months ago, the democrats made this entirely

explicit. >> women across this nation should be outraged at what these men senators are doing to this woman. this is all growth strategizing from 11 old white men. >> it is a white man strategy that is politically dumb, in my opinion. >> these people in congress right now the senate judiciary committee, these white man, old, by the way, are not protecting women. >> tucker: old, white men. not a favored group in the democratic party to put it mildly. and yet bernie sanders is undeniably all three of those things. how do you win the nomination of a party that hate you for qualities that you can't change? bernie sanders is not the only democrat facing this dilemma, far from it, nor is he the only one to realize there is only one solution. you have to embrace politics. so bernie sanders has done just that, a clip from his second

presidential announcement video released today. >> our campaign is about transforming our country and creating a government based on the principles of economics, social, racial and environmental justice. our campaign is about redoubling our efforts to end racism, sexism, homophobia, religious bigotry, and all forms of discrimination. >> tucker: so that is the new bernie sanders. he seems a lot smaller than the old version. instead of saving america from predatory global capitalism, sanders plans to save us from donald trump racism and sexism. okay, let's say he does that. what then? racism and sexism isn't the biggest problems americans face, sorry, not even close actually. stratification and dying middle-class, those are the biggest problems but nobody in washington wants to talk about those things and why would they? those in washington richer than ever.

any change of the status quo is a threat to them by definition. it is much better for them to have the population squabble over unresolvable questions of identity. the nation arguing about skin color is not asking how a tiny group of people is flying private while almost everybody else is getting poorer. ten -- identity politics is a tactic to prevent conversations dangerous to the ruling class, obviously. it is also a way for the privilege people in america to recast themselves as victims. cory booker, for example, cory booker went to stamford, oxford, yale and his parents ibm executives. he spent most of his career in the senate carrying water for his fellow privileged people, his peers on wall street. privilege? yeah, cory booker defines that word. now that he's running for president, it will be interesting to hear cory booker explain why he allowed friends in the finance world to continue to pay half the tax rate that you are paying now. but he likely doesn't want to

talk about that. instead, talking about racism, including racism he has personally experienced as a powerless person. a powerless person who went to stanford, oxford, yale and his parents ibm executives. you can see what is going on here. this is a scam. it is a scam and not just so different than jussie smollett polder. smollett a rich actor with hit tv show. that is fine, he used to call people like that pampered but small it might doesn't want to be thought of pampered and nobody does release so here he is cast himself as a victim. the people oppressing him, he told us, badly educated thugs from some rural backwater probably come in breads who have never read a book. people who do not have kamala harris' personal cell phone. people who don't believe in global warming or like thai food. those people, they are the problem and they must be crushed. somehow, the left is telling us the week are now oppressing the strong.

that is their claim. the old left would have pushed back against this and would have felt sympathy for the people our economy has left behind but not anymore. the new left repairs cory booker and barack obama. hand railing behind jussie smollett and when the fraud if exposed, they defended him without saying so. >> coming out, from all sources. >> okay, so i will say this about that case. i think the facts are still unfolding. once the investigation is concluded, then we can all comment but i'm not going to comment until the investigation. >> tucker: s so, so no one can admit jussie smollett is not a victim and he blames other people. no one has asked bernie sanders but they would say the same thing. he has to say that, it is required now. so the attorney, professor in white you school business joins us tonight, tell us what is

going on. so how disappointing, i was not a sanders voter but i certainly respected his willingness to make a case for economic populism back in 2016 and iger agreed with a lot of things he said obviously. how disappointing is it to be an identity politics? why is there no room in the democratic party for economic case? >> tucker i don't think he's not making in -- economic inequality case but you cannot talk about inequality in the country without talking about racial and economic disparity because of the systems we have built and the legacy of jim crow and all of those things. what he is saying, basically, things like race and inequality are inextricably intertwined based on institutions we have built. speak one now you are confusing me because you are making a case there is no relationship to the facts or the number so the richest people in america are not immigrant -- immigrant

groups, and i think the richest group in the united states. and nigerian makes more than the white american so it's a lot more complicated and i'm not sure what that means but i know what you said is totally false. >> suraj: it is very complicated but the fact of the matter is, you are by and large, the darker you are in this country, the poor you are. >> tucker: hold on, but hold on, that's not true. slow down, that is not true. it is so much more complicated than that that what you are saying is a lie. for example, the highest educational attainment level and highest incomes of any group in america, okay? so what you are saying is true, again, i will agree with you on this it is super complicated. >> suraj: it is not complicated. it is painting -- painting racial division and you know it. no, tucker, what we are saying is simply this, we know criminal justice system rate

significantly unequal outcome for those based on their color and background. like the stronger sentences, and that puts them in a cycle of poverty at times that you can't get another job. you have one in three chance. >> tucker: but there is some truth to what you are saying that people of all colors who are convicted of a felony have a tough time of digging out of it. i have real sympathy for them. but what you just said, hold on, what you said is untrue and you know it's untrue. the darker you are, the more impressed you are when in fact, people in america who are white as you know. and the state of virginia, so let's stop. i'm not making a case for a racial group. i'm making a case for nonracial approach to policy and only one would have to in the country. >> suraj: there is no doubt the single best argument in the single best candidate is going to be the one able to convince

white class voters that they have more in common. and right now they have more in common with a single black working mother in queens than they do with those born with everything. >> tucker: you are offering species and on an identity. why do i care about the color of the voters? 2016 never mentioned color, look, you are getting exploited by employer and for big companies. that was a color-blind case and the democratic party hated it because that is a stake in racial division. you know that is true. >> suraj: tucker, like i said you cannot approach the issue of any quality without talking about and looking at some of the racial disparities. >> tucker: wait a minute nigerian lakers made more than white americans. speak to all of nigerian immigrs do not make more money. >> tucker: it is as simple as the black you are the more impressed you are and that is just not true.

>> that is not what i'm saying. you were simplifying the argument with the fact of the matter is like i said, identity is intertwined and it's not that you need to sit there and always talk about identity of a voter of ourselves running for office. what you have to do is at least show the curiosity and understanding and acknowledgment that we have significantly treated races differently in the past. >> tucker: i have a lot of curiosity about what the facts really are which is why i'm bringing this up tonight. races a dead end and let's bring back the old bernie sanders. you disagree, thank you very much, appreciated. >> suraj: thank you. >> tucker: bernie sanders, i have it on the brain tammy bruce from new york and radio host, one of our favorite, so tami, i'm not here to endorse bernie sanders, but i always admired his willingness to stick with the universal principles

over the grubby, creepy device of politics of race but why has he given that up? >> tammy: as you have noted in your opening, this is a dynamic that has overcome the democratic party. he is a politician. perhaps he needs a fourth beach house, i don't know. but he does well as a politician has a career. so he is appealing to a group of people who are trained and demanding this type of term -- extreme the dynamic. for people not to be treated differently because of who they are, what's the demand for an elevation of people to be treated like everybody else? identity politics is the cancer, the opposite of that. it demands we not only treat people differently because of who they are, but condemn some and elevate others based on some kind of benefit we have been assigned to a particular identity. it is the antithesis what we fought for throughout the 60s and 70s and frankly the turn of the 20th century.

this is how retrograde the democrats have become. it is what americans reject. and so it is concerning that we see that this is happening with the democrats because we need a good, loyal opposition. but it is certainly what not america has been and it's not what we are now and not what we want to become. >> tucker: the only reason i keep hitting this is because i sincerely feel and i mean this with my whole heart, this is a threat to the unity of the country and it makes people hate each other. >> tammy: that is the goal. >> tucker: running on a universal platform my can there ever be another one again? >> tammy: there can be, look, i am a democrat and other democrats may be already switched and identified as an independent or registered as that. but it is a sensibility about a class of liberalism that frankly, now, clearly rudeness represent senate by conservative ideal. this desire for independence, for freedom, for personal

responsibility, capitalism and we are only limited by our own ambition and imagination. that that is the american ideal. and that is something that both parties can embrace. what you are hearing out -- >> tucker: i hope so because the rest of the stuff is just absolutely -- >> tammy: meant to turn us against each other, tucker. that is the goal. >> tucker: the distraction, to make my thank you so much. >> tammy: thank you, sir. >> tucker: jussie smollett apparently talked about the hate crime. but the latest example of the last few things crony stories to vilify his enemies. and we will expose that tactic after the break. ♪ for real ones. feel the clarity. and live claritin clear.

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♪ >> tucker: give this to jussie smollett. he is clear what happened to him. he claims he was violently assaulted outside of his apartment in chicago because of his race. and premeditated attack by a pair of psychotic, races trump supporters. watch. >> i see the attacker. and he said, this maga bleeps and punches me in the face. >> there is no doubt in your mind what motivated this attack? >> i can only go off of their words, i mean, who says [bleep] and believe. this maga country. ties a noose around your neck and pours bleach on you. >> tucker: just for the

record, when you don't ask any follow-up questions and it's not sympathetically come it's not journalism but affirmation. but on the internet there were people play paying close attention small [laughs] making and it didn't add up so they began publicly couching his case, smollett did not answer the questions but denounce these people as racist, watch. >> i'm postop. >> what is it that has you so angry. is that the attackers? >> it is the attackers and the attack. how can you doubt that? how do you not believe that? it is the truth. >> tucker: now, reports apparently leaked from the chicago police department say that all of this was a scam. that small it may claim this from the beginning and hired others to carry out. we have more on the case tonig tonight, matt joins us from chicago at the intersection

where smollett said that he was attacked, matt. >> matt: tucker behind me, the police say that beast mxp eight use to get into his apartment building than i the night of the attack and we are learning jussie smollett convicted of dui and lying to the police in 2007 according to court documents obtained by fox news. this arrest was confirmed by l.a. clerk that said the 36-year-old, the birthday matches the birthday of jussie smollett arrested for the dui and giving false information to the police. we reached out to smollett in a legal team who did not deny his arrest. we have not been able to pinpoint what he lied to the police about, but a charge. smollett sentenced to 36 months probation. also new tonight, chicago police tells fox news, cbs reports comfort -- carrying out and met with prosecutors and detectives late this afternoon. tonight, chicago police still waiting for smollett to respond

to request for a follow-up interview. the place a given smollett a responsible amount of time. what happens next depends on smollett's actions. the case to prosecutors or a grand jury and arrest, warrant and tonight the police appear to be doing just that. smollett was very cooperative with the police before this whole story dramatically no longer apparently responding to phone calls to the police requesting more information. tonight, the police no longer saying that smollett is the victim but the person who filed the police report. smollett's attorney said anyone who said smollett was not attacked as a liar and here, ape false police report is a felony, punishable up to three years in prison and also probational. smollett might be in more trouble with the fbi who is investigating that alleged death threat letter with maga return address that smollett one week prior to the alleged attack,

tucker. >> tucker: matt, thanks, matt. well, jussie smollett story is amazing, but it is exceptional only in the extent it has received more publicity than most hate hoaxes. there were many of them. bogus stories concocted by the left for political reasons and repeat it question by compliant media. the kentucky state university and the author of the book hate crime hoax, if a -- thank you very much for coming on tonight. so you have looked at a lot of these cases, but what would you say generally speaking is the point of them? >> thanks for having me, tucker. and as you said, first of all, they were quite a few of these cases. what we find is that virtually all of the high-profile widely reported hate crime over the past 2223 years have been hoaxes. that extends --

>> tucker: i'm going to interrupt you they are. i want to make sure i understand what you are saying. virtually all the well-publicized hate crimes in the last several years have been hoaxes? >> very, very many of the best air force academy, the burnt black church, the young african-american woman who said she was literally on by white men, in college, wisconsin parkside so on and down the line. all of those incidences i have mentioned, the catholic in that category. not actual incidents and interracial bias but hate hoaxes. this is also by the way true of hate hoaxes reported by all to write but the phenomenon concentrated on the left. very many high-profile hate hoax stories most simply turn out to be fake. i'm not surprised that the jussie smollett story turned out to be a hoax, and i don't think you are either and not very many

people are. >> tucker: i'm not. but most hoaxes are designed to enrich the person who perpetrates them. they are scams, right, to bring criminal money. but money doesn't change hands in these cases, so what is the point of doing it? >> wilfred: that is a fascinating question, tucker but first of all i will say in a fair number of cases, money does change hands if you are talking about insurance money. in chicago, for example, the velvet ultra lounge case where the owner of a and bisexual nightclub burnt his own business to the ground collected i believe 20 plus thousand dollar check and attributed that to homophobes so that is a partial motivation. but i will say the broader motivation for the hoaxes, the demand for bigots in america greatly exceed the supply as of right now. >> tucker: yes. >> wilfred: so it is not much of a secret that america, we

have a very well-funded grievance industry. the southern poverty law center 30, 40 years affected a great deal of good but currently active and vested an endowment of $432 million. they taken 58 million to $96 million every year in terms of the records i have looked back going some time, black lives matter right now up to about 400,000 social media fanse organizations like care account for islamic relations. >> tucker: someone's got to justify the existence of all this fund-raising, professor. this is a great conversation and i appreciate you coming on tonight. >> wilfred: all right. >> tucker: jussie smollett fans not only focused hate crimes creating blowback tonight. tonight. nick sandmann covington high school tarred as the misunderstanding of smiling

while, now he is suing "the washington post" and the publication, and his lawyer say the paper "believe an innocent child with absolute disregard for the pain and destruction is a tax or cause to his wife" the suit of what many suits $6,250,000,000 in damage and that is of course a fitting number, the same amount jeff bezos paid to turn that paper into his personal. we will follow that with interest. and according to cbs reporter, the press has become so that we can't report the news. news propaganda for a long time. he will join us next and dumpster fire richard painter says we have to pull trump out of the white house because he's not competent in the government. that conversation after the break. >> there is an infernal raging in washington. and here in the land of 10,000

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>> tucker: moore correspondent lara loken has left "cbs news" after a number of years they are. she said goodbye by doing something unthinkable. she found an obvious unspoken truth and set it out loud. pure mike wetland podcasts were at describe the process so liberal, they are unable to basis of journalism. >> in this country some 85% of journalists are registered democrats. so that is just a fact, right? and there is many, many, many more organizations on the left. but the problem is that the weight of all of these organizations are one-sided of the political spectrum. when you turn your commute computer or tv, they are saying the same thing. the weight of that convinces you that it's true.

you don't question it because everyone is saying it. i didn't even know this, that there was a bias in the media. if you read one story off of another and hear it, and it's all based on anonymous administration official and former administration official, right, that is not journalism but sleep. >> tucker: fox news political analyst brit hume has been and the media long time. he joins us tonight. what do you think of what lara loken said? >> brit: she is absolutely right and it is blunt and obvious that she is right. the striking thing about it, many of her callings -- colleagues, hers and mine, they. i've always thought this about bias and about fairness in news coverage. fairness is not even a policy or an attitude. fairness is really a skill. it begins with the recognition of if you are bias. once you do that, it's not

really all that difficult if you are aware you don't like this particular politician or feel this way about a particular issue and covering something related to it, it is not that hard to screen it out of your coverage. it really isn't. lawyers do it every day. they represent clients that they think are guilty. judges decide in favor or against people they like or dislike all the time. it is not impossible. it is a discipline, a skill. but if you won't admit it to yourself, you have no chance. and it used to be that the editors of newspapers around the country really lead in those days by "the new york times" were very careful to make sure reporters wrote their stories and neutral language. that discipline, i'm afraid, tucker is out the window. the morning after the state of the union address by the president, "the washington post" had a banner headline that said "a discordant appeal for unity." now they may have found this speech discordant and i'm sure that the journalist did but that is an opinion. and the leader of the story it

was a dissonant speech. that is a judgment come opinion and had no business and the new story. now, if you want to have editorials and announce speech and have all kinds of invective about that, that is all fine. that is the way it's supposed to work. that is right. >> tucker: that is why you have an editorial. >> brit: that is right that is why you have editorial page. and the media, it is no accident the media at lowest level in public opinion anybody can remember. >> tucker: so an example of that. you had a strong reaction of this over the weekend 2020 campaign over kamala harris giving her fashion advice during her columbia, south carolina. this seemed to grade on you but why? >> brit: well, here you had this glowing tweet published by a young journalist who was assigned by cbs news to kamala harris campaign.

and she and her colleagues were with senator harris, and she visited some female owned enterprises, including a store where one of them kicked out a jacket. it looked like a rubik's cube, as you can see. and insisted that the candidate try it on and then got her to buy it. infant tweeted about it, glowingly. well, i'm sorry, it's not even going into a story with a candidate who's visiting the campaign of a store and serving with the candidate's rights to try on clothes. it is totally and obviously inappropriate for the members of the media to come across and start recommending with the candidate should wear. >> tucker: wait a second. you were the white house correspondent for "abc news" for eight years and never bought clothing for ronald reagan? >> brit: i didn't because i was covering bush, but later clinton come i never recommend a clothing to either one. look, there are things that you

can do. i mean, you can have a meal with some when you are covering, right. you sit across the table and discuss things. you might buy them a meal. you can be an anchorman and invited woman to the white house on's state of the union day ande entertained at lunch by the president. those things are arm's-length and perfectly appropriate. and they've been going on for a long time. but this kind of chummy, let's go shopping stop, is obviously something inappropriate. the fact that these journalist who are involved in that defended it and a lot of others too, shows you how far down the road we have gotten. can you imagine, for example someone with a hard right candidate, helping them try on a jacket. i mean, it is just unimaginable. they shouldn't be doing it. >> tucker: no back rubs or picking out clothes, those are my personals. >> brit: i'm with you. >> tucker: it is great to see

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♪ >> tucker: well, california the biggest prosperous state increasingly a place that is impossible to live if you are not rich. housing costs sky high and the chief concerns to enable illegal immigrants and enlarging homeless population which very good at. john visited san francisco and officials working hard they are to erect homeless utopia. here is part of it. >> john: san francisco is generous, freed food stamps,

free shelter, train tickets and $70 a month in cash. >> san francisco is a good place to hang out. >> tucker: these two men come from out of town. >> do you like the lifestyle? i do. the freedom of not having to follow the rules. >> so the homeless stay on the street and every day new arrive. >> tucker: normal people are just about sick of it in a new poll found 53% of californians and critically 63% of millennials live in california want to flee. and someone who is staying in california with a radio show, so, i've got to say, there is no blaming the right for this. a one-party state and in this case, ill. and in this case, what liberal lunatic gave birth to this funeral disaster called california? has it cold for soul-searching for you? >> absolutely the biggest fifth economy in the world and you

talk about the homeless problem. we can look to ronald reagan the conservative republican when he was governor who turned everybody loose from the psychiatric institution with abuses they had in the 20th century but instead of having a plan to get people properly cared for in the neighborhood, he let them for. >> tucker: i'm sorry. when was that? like 50 years ago he was governor of california? >> john: yeah, and it's only gotten worse because we have new leadership now, tucker, that is actually addressing the problem. >> tucker: so you are saying the homeless problem in los angeles and the full sub someone who is dead and hasn't been governor in 50 years? that is really the answer? >> ethan: that is the root, the genesis of it. when we decide we can't keep people who need mental health care, the turnaround, a fair percentage and also to cope people to use as an example as

an antidote to prove how bad it is but the point is this, we have people that need mental health care and because of what governor reagan did and the federal courts since then is we have a hard time with this. >> you and i both know that closing down the sanitarium's, the hospitals was a liberal project from beginning to end. reagan was the governor and a sighted, and agree, but if you are blaming ronald reagan for home they modern california, you are not looking at yourself in the mirror and admitting may be my dumb ideas have something to do with it, i mean, honestly. >> ethan: know, now we have new ideas. a new bill has been passed experimenting with conservative ship and mayor london buried in san francisco and in los angeles addressing head on. and actually got funding to finally build some housing that was a requirement from the federal courts before we could do something about getting people off of the streets. >> tucker: just because, so

you are saying, hold on, very quick the driving problem profound mental illness, but we want to put profoundly mental ill, schizophrenics and their own housing unsupervised? that is a good idea, do you think? >> ethan: you have mental illness on one hand but you also have the issue of severe shortage of housing and the courts prohibit anything being done. so we have housing built in the mayor is working on this. >> tucker: great to see you, ethan, thank you very much. the u.s. is winding down military ventures and a number of countries but appears to be on the brink of something big. may be intervention in venezuela. yesterday the president said "all options are open in that country." meanwhile john bolton national security advisor and advocate of war everywhere went on twitter to praise columbia for accepting venezuelan refugees and then set the rest of the world, including us, should show "the same generosity" in other words a

massive immigration way from this country. are we ready? margin of the victory emigrate to see you, colonel. so that sounds like a public warning of imminent action that we should prepare for immigrants in the country. >> the only thing i can say that i agree with his latin american should solve this problem. this is not something we should involve ourselves in. if we go to venezuela with military power, not only will we be initiating a work effectively for regime change. we know where that leads because we have been through several of those so far. but we are making the problems created by the people of venezuela are problems and it will become an enormous money pit much like iraq and afghanistan. >> tucker: so our operating assumption is the disaster with not as many refugees as we can but what does that do for the countries from which they are coming? we have operated as release

valve for venezuela many, many decades. every time they cannot employ people or discontented homes and people lose their jobs, they are sent to north. so we have actually relieved the pressure on the mexican government to do anything about the social inequities, lack of social justice, the criminality and the problems in the country. this is exactly what you will see in other latin american countries like venezuela. >> tucker: so how are we making it better if we allow mismanagement of federal government in these countries to continue without being challenged. th>> douglas: the first and foremost the success of foreign policy toward central america and south america is a secure southern border. if that is not secure, it is an open wound. and it will be exploited by everyone south of the rio grande repeatedly in perpetuity. so we have got to secure the border first. by the way, if we go into

venezuela, it is going to cost us an enormous sum of money, and securing the southern border. >> tucker: you say it is racist to secure the borders? >> douglas: know, in fact, you don't have a country without borders. we have plenty of evidence all over the world, walls, border fences, troops on the border work. they secure the population they protect. they also ensure rule of law in many cases. israel has done this. successfully. the hungarians have done this successfully and we need to do the same thing because if you don't, you eventually lose your country. >> tucker: so two countries that don't hate themselves and the leaders think it is time to take care of their own country. great to see you. >> douglas: thank you very much. >> tucker: richard painter and expert on dumpster parents trying to put one out taking a brief break to talk to the fbi and wholeheartedly supports and you will hear his plan for moving trumpet after the break.

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♪ >> tucker: all publicist have the same strategy. first you do 60 minutes when you are selling a book, and then you go on the view to say what you said on "60 minutes." use all that happened with the former fbi director and now, you are watching with the deputy, 6d now, taking a victory lap around media landscape and predictably he was on the view today to justify doj plan to spy on, undermine and perhaps overthrow the president of the united states. here is part of it. >> you understand how far we have been pushed even to have a conversation that included those statements. we were all operating under incredible stress. we were all grappling with this idea that we have a president who we think may have committed obstruction of justice. who we think may in fact be a

threat to national security. what do we do in this circumstance? >> tucker: russia, one man who likes the sound of that i did university law professor and dumpster fire richard painter, endorse the idea to remove the president. richard painter joins us now, richard thank you for coming on and go to see you tonight. how would this exactly work? obviously, never attempted to. this is not the kind of scenario design for, but in your mind, how would they remove the president, by force, with firearms, nasa, how would this play out technically speaking? >> richard: first, we are in a great time and i love the university of minnesota there. but i've talked about the 25th amendment and number of times. but with respect to the president, the constitution in the late 1960s to address the situation in which the president is physically or mentally

incapacitated and unable to carry out his duties. >> tucker: rights, we know what it is. but how would you affect that? how would you do that? the president would concede to being overthrown, so would you rush into his office? would you rouse him from bed? how would you do this? >> richard: to overthrow the president, this is not about overthrowing the president. there are thousands of psychiatrists who have voiced extreme concerns about president trump -- >> tucker: i've got it, you have strengths to agree he shouldn't be president and 99% of them i'm sure you would get to say that. >> richard: the 25th amendment, the cabinet, the majority of the cabinet and the vice president could temporary remove the president from office. >> tucker: but how do they do that? i have read the amendment. >> richard: they want to remove him. that is not what is provided for

the constitution. to remove him from office but the objective of the president of the united states to take over the duties of the president temporarily while the president for example identify a psychiatric exam -- >> tucker: washington, so you are always rushing around and the president says i'm not crazy. i don't want to leave. i was elected by voters two years ago and then you do what? i'm not leaving. >> richard: the vice president to temporarily remove the president, then it would be up to two-thirds of the united states house and senate to permanently remove the president under the 25th amendment. >> tucker: we are out of time. look, think this through a little bit. come back and we can play it all out because you just started your own -- >> richard: the 25th amendment. >> tucker: the cool food of.

>> richard: if you don't need to justify for this. >> tucker: no, you don't. we are out of time and we will be back at 8:00 p.m. the sworn enemy of lying. >> the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. guess who is here? tucker, great show and welcome to "hannity" a lot of breaking news, lawyers coming with high school student sandman, have just filed and i have read a $250 million lawsuit against "the washington post" and also breaking news surrounding lying andrew mccabe and special "hannity" investigation into alexandria ocasio-cortez. that is all coming up. but we start with the very latest on empire ector jussie smollett who claim, pro-trump racist tied a noose around his neck, doused him in a chemical all while shouting racist and