minor injuries. some of the men who rescued her also got burned in the process. tonight, we salute them as our midnight heroes. most grateful you spend your evening with us. good night now from washington. i am shannon bream. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight" ." bernie sanders is running for president, not that he ever etopped. sanders announced his second campaign this morning in a ten minute video. but before you drop everything and watch it, take half a moment to appreciate just how much america and the democratic party aave changed over the past four years. pull up sander's first presidential announcement speech. it was may 26, 2015 in burlington, vermont, and sander's looks different but the second thing, if you watch it, just how familiar his wordsay sound.rm it is spooky. virtually all of the themes w sander' announcement speech, his

first one, in the end got. donald trump elected president. the collapse of the middle class, the cost of health care and student loans. the pointlessness of perpetual war in the middle east. the distorting effects of the washington lobbyist and donors swamped. dangers of corporate power and the need for better jobs and higher wages for america, the generational disaster that is the trade policy.. it is all there, everything to build a wall. sanders often described 1970s era socialist and that isth basically true, the honeymoon of the soviet union. he looks like he combs his hair with a balloon. but if you listen carefully what bernie sanders was really selling in the last campaign was not marxism but economic policy and a lot of people agreed with it. many voted for donald trump and the general election. in case you have forgotten, here is what bernie sanders sounded like back then. >> i am fighting to break up thn

large banks on wall street. but i do want the opportunity to tell them face to face what they greed and illegal behavior has done to the country. [cheers and applause] >> if wall street does not end it's greed, we will end it for them. [cheers and applause] >> tucker: well, you can disagree whether wall street and the big banks are really driving america with all politicians and overstater. but looking back, there was something touchingly old fashion about the way bernie sanders ran that campaign. sanders made no appeal at all to interest groups. he explicitly opposed interest groups. instead he talked about national unity and the people left behind. his first speech did not mention the words racism or sexism or for that matter abortion or gun control. he said nothing about immigration or noncitizens. sanders was running for americans, all with you would agree with him or not, needless to say sanders quickly found himself at war with democrats.

the democratic party has no place for the idea of s nationhood. it rejects the existence of universal interest in values. instead of common american culture, democrats see only tribes. bernie sanders is pushing 80 and seems completely bewildered by the changes in attitudes. in the weeks after 2016be election, sanders told one reporter hillary clinton lost the race because it's h not good enough to say i am a woman, vote for me. sanders was right, obviously. he was way too late. modern democrats are defined by identity politics and the idea your birth and your accent determines your worth, your value. some favorite and others blamed and punished. matters isn't what you do, the choices that you make, what matters who you are genetically. brett kavanaugh nominated supreme court six months ago, the democrats made this entirely explicit. >> women across this nation should be outraged at what these

white men senators are doing to this woman. this is all gross strategizing from 11 old white men. >> it is a white man strategy that is politically dumb, in my opinion.om >> these people in congress right now the senate judiciary committee, these white man, old, by the way, are not protecting women. >> tucker: old, white men. not a favored group inct the democratic party to put it mildly. and yet bernie sanders is undeniably all three of those things. gic how do you win the nomination of a party that hates you for qualities that you can't change? bernie sanders is not the only democrat facing this dilemma, far from it, nor is he the only one to realize there is only one solution. you have to embrace politics. getting woke is the only option. so bernie sanders has done just that, a clip from his second

presidential announcement video released today. >> our campaign is about transforming our country and creating a government based on the principles of economics, social, racial and environmental justice. our campaign is about redoubling our efforts to end racism, sexism, homophobia, religiouse. bigotry, and all forms of discrimination. >> tucker: so that is the new bernie sanders. he seems a lot smaller than the old version. instead of saving america from predatory global capitalism, sanders plans to save us from donald trump racism and sexism. okay, let's say he does that. what then? racism and sexism isn't the biggest problems americans face, sorry, not even close actually. stratification and dying middle-class, those arens the biggest problems but nobody in washington wants to talk about those things and why would they? those in washington richer than ever.n any change of the status quo is a threat to them by definition.w it is much better for them to

have the population squabble over unresolvable questions of identity. the nation arguing about skin color is not asking how a tiny group of people is flying private while almost everybody else is getting poorer. identity politics is a tactic to prevent conversations dangerous to the ruling class, obviously. it is alsota a way for the privilege people in america to recast themselves asas victims. cory booker, for example, cory booker went to stanford, oxford, yale and his parents ibm executives. he spent most of his career in the senate carrying water for his fellow privileged people, his peers on wall street. privilege? yeah, cory booker defines that word.. now that he's running for president, it will be interesting to hear cory booker explain why he allowed friendsha in the finance world to continue to pay half the tax rate that you are paying now. but he likely doesn't want toan talk about that. instead, talking about racism,

including racism he has personally experienced as a powerless person. a powerless person who went to stanford, oxford, yale and his parents were ibm executives. you can see what is going on here.en this is a scam. it is a scam and not just so different than jussie smollett just pulled. smollett a rich actor with hit tv show. that is fine, he used to callpo people like that pampered but smollett might doesn't want to be thought of pampered and nobody does release so here he t is cast himself as aat victim. the people oppressing him, he told us, badly educated thugs from some rural backwater probably, inbreads who have never read a book. people who do not have kamala harris' personal cell phone. people who don't believe in global warming or like thai food. those people, they are the problem and they must be crushed. somehow, the left is telling us the weak are now oppressing the strong. that is their claim. the old left would have pushed back against this and would have

felt sympathy for the people our economy has left behind but not anymore. the new left reveres cory booker and barack obama. rallying behind jussie smollett and when the fraud if exposed, they defended him without saying so. >> info coming out, from i all sources. >> okay, so i will say this about that case. i think the facts are still unfolding. once the investigation is concluded, then we can all comment but i'm not going to comment until the investigation. >> tucker: so, so no one can admit jussie smollett is not a victim and he blames other people. no one has asked bernie sanderss but they would say the same thing. he has to say that, it is requireded now. so the attorney, professor in nyu school businessy, joins us tonight, tell us what is going on. so how disappointing, i was not

a sanders voter but i certainlyw respected his willingness to make a case for economic populism back in 2016 and i would agreed with a lot ofec things he said honestly. how disappointing is it to be an identity politics? why is there no room in the democratic party for economic case? >> tucker i don't think he's not making an economic inequality case but you cannot talk about inequality in the country without talking about racial and economic disparity because of the systems we have built and the legacy of jim crow and all of those things. what he is saying, basically, things like race and inequality are inextricably intertwined based on institutions we have built. >> tucker: now you are confusing me because you are making a case there is no relationship to the facts or thehe number so the richest people in america are not immigrant -- immigrant groups, and i think the richest group in the united states.

and nigerian makes more than the white american so it's a lot more complicated and i'm not sure what that means but i know what you said is totally false. >> suraj: it is very complicated but thens fact of te matter is, you are by and large, the darker you are inn this country, the poorer you are. >> tucker: hold on, but hold on, that's not true. slow down, that is not true.he it is so much more complicated than that that what you are saying is a lie. for example, the highest educational attainment level and highest incomes of any group in america, okay?, so what you are saying is true, again, i will agree with you on this it is super complicated. it is not complicated. it is painting racial division and you know it. >> tucker, what we are saying is simply this, we know criminal justice system rate significantly unequal outcome for those based on their color and background.

black people given stronger sentences, and that puts them in a cycle of poverty at times that you can't get another job. you have one in three chance. >> tucker: but there is some truth to what you are saying that people of all colors who are convicted of a felony have m tough time of digging out of it. i have real sympathy for them. but what you just said, hold on, what you said is untrue and youf know it's untrue. the darker you are, the more oppressed you are when in fact, people in america who are white as you know. and the state of virginia, so let's stop.p. i'm not making a case for a racial group. i'm making a case for nonracial approach to policy and only one would have to in the country. >> there is no doubt the single best argument in the single best candidate is going to be the one able to convince white class voters that they have more in common.

and right now they have more in common with a single black working mother in queens than they do with those born with everything. >> tucker: you are offering species and on an identity. why do i care about the color of the voters? 2016 never mentioned color, look, you are getting exploited by employer and for big companies. that was a color-blind case and the democratic party hated it because that is a stake in racial division. you know that is true. >> tucker, like i saide you cannot approach the issue of inequality without talking about and looking at some of the racial disparities. >> tucker: wait a minute nigerian lakers made more than white americans. >> all of nigerian immigrants do not make more money. t >> tucker: it is as simple as the black you are the more impressed you are and that is just not true. >> it is not what i'm saying. you were simplifying the

argument with the fact of the w matter is like i said, identity is intertwined and it's not that you need to sitik there and alws talk about identity of a voter of ourselves running for office. what you have to do is at least show the curiosity and understanding and acknowledgment that we have significantly treated races differently in the past. >> tucker: i have a lot of curiosity about what the facts really are which is why i'm bringing this up tonight. race is a dead end and let's bring back the old bernie sanders. you disagree, thank you very much, appreciated. >> thank you. >> tucker: bernie sanders, i have it on the brain, tammy bruce from new york and radio host, one of our favorite, so tammy, i'm not here to endorse bernie sanders, but i always admired his willingness to stick with the universal principles over the grubby, creepy device of politics of race, but why has he given that up?

>> tammy: as you have noted in your opening, this is a dynamic that has overcome the democratic party. he is a politician. perhaps he needs a fourth beach house, i don't know. but he does well as a politician as a career. so he is appealing to a group of people who are trained and demanding this type of extreme dynamic. for people not to be treated differently because of who they the demand for an elevation of people to be treated like everybody else? identity politics is the cancer, the opposite of that. it demands we not only treat people differently because of who they are, but condemn some o and elevate others based on some kind of benefit we have beenec assigned to a particular identity. it is the antithesis what wen fought for throughout the '60s and '70s, and frankly, the turn of the 20th century. this is how retrograde theug democrats have become. it is what americans reject.

and so it is concerning that we see that this is happening with the democrats because we need a good, loyal opposition. but it is certainly not what america has been and it's not what we are now and not what we want to become. >> tucker: the only reason i keep hitting this is because i sincerely feel, and ie mean this with my whole heart, this is a threat to the unity of the country and it makes people hate each other. >> tammy: that is the goal. >> tucker: running onnd a universal platform, can there ever be another one again? >> tammy: there can be, look, i am a m democrat and other democrats may be alreadyno switched and identified as an independent or registered as that. but it is a sensibility about a class of liberalism that frankly, now, clearly represented senate by conservative ideal. this desire for independence, for freedom, for personal responsibility, capitalism andep we are only limited by our ownn ambition and imagination.

that that is the american ideal. and that is something that both parties can embrace. what you are hearing out -- >> tucker: i hope so becauseth the rest of the stuff is just absolutely -- >> tammy: meant to turn us against each other, tucker. that is the goal. >> tucker: the distraction, tammy, thank you so much. >> tammy: thank you, sir. >> tucker: jussie smollett apparently talked about the hate crime. but the latest example of the last few things crony stories to vilify his enemies. and we will expose that tactic after the break. ♪ es w chicken?! chicken. chicken! that's right, candace-- new chicken creations from starkist. buffalo style chicken in a pouch-- bold choice, charlie! just tear, eat... mmmmm. and go! try all of my chicken creations! chicken!

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♪ >> tucker: give this to jussie smollett. he is clear what happened to him. he claims he was violently assaulted outside of his apartment in chicago because of his race. in a premeditated attack by a pair of psychotic, races trump supporters. watch. >> i see the attacker. and he said, this maga coutnry [bleep] and punches me in the face. >> there is no doubt in your mind what motivated this attack? >> i can only go off of their words, i mean, who says [bleep] this maga country. ties a noose around your neck and pours bleach on you. >> tucker: just for the record, when you don't ask any follow-up questions and it's not

sympathetically, it's not journalism but affirmation. but on the internet there were people play paying close attention smollettt making and it didn't add up so they began publicly doubting his case, smollett did not answer the questions but denounce these people as racist, watch. >> i'm pissed off. >> what is it that has you so angry? is that the attackers? >> it is the attackers and the attack. how can you doubt that? how do you not believe that? it is the truth. >> tucker: now, reports apparently leaked from the chicago police department say that all of this was a scam. that smollett may claim this from the beginning and hired others to carry out. we have more on the case tonight, matt joins us fromed chicago at the intersection where smollett said that he was attacked, matt.

>> matt: tucker, behind me, the police say that smollett used to get into his apartment building the night of the attack and we are learning jussie smollett convicted of dui and lying to the police in 2007 according to court documents obtained by fox news. this arrest was confirmed by l.a. clerk that said the 36-year-old, the birthday matches the birthday of jussie smollett arrested for the dui and giving false information to the police. we reached out to smollett in a legal team who did not deny his arrest. we have not been able to pinpoint what he lied to the police about, but a charge. smollett sentenced to 36 months probation. also new tonight, chicago police tells fox news, cbsar reports confessed to carrying out and met with prosecutors and detectives late this afternoon. tonight, chicago police still waiting for smollett to respond to request for a follow-up interview.

they are giving smollett a responsible amount of time. what happens next depends on smollett's actions. the case to prosecutors or a grand jury and arrest, warrant and tonight the police appear to be doing just that. smollett was very cooperative with the police before thisd whole story dramatically altared is no longer apparently responding to phone calls to the police requesting more information. tonight, the police no longer saying that smollett is the victim but the person who filed the police report. smollett's attorney said anyone who said smollett was not attacked as a liar and here, ape false police report is a felonys punishable up to three years in prison and also probational. smollett might be in more trouble with the fbi who is investigating that alleged death threat letter with maga return address that smollett one w week prior to the alleged attack, tucker. >> tucker: matt, thanks, matt.

well, jussie smollett story is amazing, but it iss, exceptional only in the extent it has received more publicity than most hate hoaxes. there were many of them. bogus stories concocted by the left for political reasons and repeat it question by compliant media. the kentucky state university and the author of the book hateb crime hoax. thank you very much for coming on tonight, so you have looked at a lot of these cases, but what would you say generally speaking is the point of them? >> thanks for having me, tucker. and as you said, first of all, they were quite a few of these cases. what we find is that virtually all of the high-profile widely reported hate crimes over the past 2-3 years have been hoaxes. that extends -- >> tucker: i'm going to interrupt you they are. i want to make sure i understand

what you are saying. virtually all thedsuc well-publicized hate crimes in the last several years have been hoaxes?e >> very, very many of the best incidents. air force academy, the burnt black church, the youngai african-american woman who said she was literally urinated on by white men, in college, wisconsin parkside so on and down the line. all of those incidences i have mentioned, the catholic in that category. not actual incidents and interracial violence but hate hoaxes.tu this is also by the way true of hate hoaxes reported by alt-right, but the phenomenon concentrated on the left. very many high-profile hate hoax stories most simply turn out to be fake. o i'm not surprised that the jussie smollett story turned out to be a hoax, and i don't thinkk you are either and not very many people are. >> tucker: i'm not. h

but most hoaxes are designed to enrich the person who perpetrates them. they are scams, right, to bring criminal money. but money doesn't changeet hands in these cases, so what is the point of doing it?, >> that is a fascinating question, tucker but first of all i will say in a fair number of cases, money does change hands if you are talking about insurance money.on in chicago, for example, the velvet ultra loungeou case where the owner of a gay and bisexual nightclub burnt his own business to the ground, collected, i believe 20 plus thousand dollar check and attributed that toto homophobes so that is a partial motivation. but i will say the broader motivation for the hoaxes, the demand for bigots in america greatly exceed the supply as of right now. >> tucker: yes. h >> so it is not much of a secret that america, we have a very well-funded grievance industry.

the southern poverty law center 30, 40 years affected a great deal of good but currently active and vested endowment of $432 million. they take in $58 million to $96 million every year in terms of the records, i have looked back going some time, "black t lives matter" right now up to about 400,000 social media fans, 360,000 followers and the organizations like care, counsel for islamic relations. >> tucker: someone's got to justify the existence of allne this fund-raising. professor, this is a great conversation and i appreciate you coming on tonight. >> all right. >> tucker: jussie smollett fans not only focused hate crimes creating blowback tonight. nick sandmann covington high school tarred as the misunderstanding of smiling while, now he is suing

"the washington post" and the publication, and his lawyer say the paper "bullied an innocent child with absolute disregard for the pain and destruction his attacks caused to his life". the suit of what many suits $6,250,000,000 in damage and that is, of course, a fitting number, the same amount jeff bezos paid to turn that paper into his personal. we will follow that with interest. and according to cbs reporter, the press has become so that we can't report the news. news propaganda for a long time. he will join us next and dumpster fire expert richard painter says we have to pull trump out of the white house because he's not competent in the government. that conversation after the break. not competent in the gove. that conversation after the >> there is an inferno raging in washington. and here in the land of 10,000

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>> tucker: correspondent lara loken has left "cbs news" after a number of years there. she said goodbye by doingar something unthinkable. she found an obvious unspoken truth and said it out loud. pure mike wetland podcasts were at describe the process so liberal, they are unable to basis of journalism. >> in this country some 85% of journalists are registered democrats. so that is just a fact, right? and there is many, many, many more organizations on the left.r but the problem is that the weight of all of thesey organizations are one-sided of the political spectrum. when you turn your computer or tv, they are saying the same thing. the weight of that convinces you that it's true. you don't question it because everyone is saying it.

i didn't even know this, that there was a bias in the media. if you read one story off of another and hear it, and it's all based on anonymous administration official and former administration official, right, that is not journalism but [bleep.] >> tucker: fox news political analyst brit hume has been and the media long time. he joins us tonight. what do you think of what lara loken said? >> she is absolutely right and it is blunt and obvious that she isn right. the striking thing about it, many of her colleagues, hers and mine, they do. i've always thought this about bias and about fairness in news coverage. fairness is not even a policy or an attitude. fairness is really a skill. it begins with the recognition of if your bias. once you do that, it's not really all that difficult if you are aware you don't like this particular politician or feel

this way about a particular issue and covering something related to it, it is not that hard to screen it out of your coverage. it really isn't. lawyers do it every day. they represent clients that they think are guilty. judges decide in favor or against people they like or dislike all the time. it is not impossible. it is a discipline, a skill. but if you won't admit it to yourself, you have no chance. and it used to be that the editors of newspapers around the country really lead in those days by "the new york times" were very careful to make sure reporters wrote their stories in neutral language. that discipline, i'm afraid, tucker, is out the window. the morning after the state of the union address by the president, "the washington post" had a banner headline that said, "a discordant appeal for unity.t now they may have found this speech discordant, and i'm sure that the journalist did, but that is an opinion. and the lead of the story said

it was a dissonant speech. that is a judgment come opinion and had no business in the news story. now, if you want to have editorials and announce speech and have all kinds of invective about that, that is all fine. that is the way it's supposed to work. that is right. >> tucker: that is why you have an editorial. >> that is right that is why you have editorial page. and the media, it is no accident the media at lowest level in public opinion anybody can remember. >> tucker: so an example of that. you had a strong reaction of this over the weekend 2020 campaign over kamala harris giving her fashion advice during her visit to columbia, south carolina. this seemed to grate on you but why? >> well, here you had this glowing tweet published by a young journalist who was assigned by cbs news to kamala harris' campaign. and she and her colleagues were with senator harris, and she

visited some female owned enterprises, including a store where one of them picked out arp jacket. it looked like a rubik's cube, as you can see. and insisted that the candidate try it on and then got her to buy it. and then tweeted about it, glowingly. well, i'm sorry, it's not evenfa going into a story with a candidate who's visiting the campaign of a store and serving with the candidate's rights to try on clothes. it is totally and obviously inappropriate for the members of the media to come across and start recommending what the candidate should wear. >> tucker: wait a second. you were the white house correspondent for "abc news" for eight years and never bought clothing for ronald reagan? >> i didn't because i i was covering bush, but later clinton, i never recommended clothing to either one. look, there are things that you can do. i mean, you can have a meal with someone you are covering, right.

you sit across the table and discuss things. you might buy them a meal. you can be an anchorman ander invite a woman to the white house on state of the union day and be entertained at lunch by the president. those things are arm's-length and perfectly appropriate. and they've been going on for a long time. but this kind of chummy, let's go shopping is, obviously, something inappropriate. the fact that these journalistss who are involved in that defended it and a lot of others, too, shows you how far down the road we have gotten. can you imagine, for example, someone with a hard rightro candidate, helping them try on a jacket. h i mean, it is just unimaginable. they shouldn't be doing it. >> tucker: no back rubs or picking out clothes. those are my personals. >> i'm with you. >> tucker: it is great to see you. thank you. >> thanks, tucker.

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♪ >> tucker: well, california the biggest prosperous state increasingly a place that is impossible to live if you are not rich. housing costs sky high and the chief concerns to enable illegal immigrants and enlarging homeless population which very good at. john visited san francisco and found officials working hard there to erect homeless utopia.. here is part of it. >> john: san francisco is generous, freed food stamps,

free shelter, train tickets and $70 a month in cash. >> san francisco is a good place to hang out. >> tucker: these two men come from out of town. i >> do you like the lifestyle? i do. the freedom of not having to follow the rules. >> so the homeless stay on the street and every day new arrive. >> tucker: normal people are just about sick of it in a new poll found 53% of californians and critically 63% of millennials live in california want to flee.3% someone who is staying in california with a radio show, so, i've got to say, there is no blaming the right for this. a one-party state and in this case, ill. and in this case, what liberal lunatic gave birth to this funeral disaster called california? has it called for soul-searching for you? >> absolutely the biggest fifth economy in the world and you talk about the homeless problem. we can look to ronald reagan the conservative republican when he

was governor who turnedut everybody loose from the psychiatric institution with abuses they had in the 20th century but instead of having a plan to get people properly cared for in the neighborhood, he let them free. >> tucker: i'm sorry. when was that? like 50 years ago he was governor of california? >> yet, and it's only gotten worse. we need new leadership to address the problem. >> tucker: so you are saying the homeless problem in los angeles is the fault of someone who isre dead and hasn't been governor in 50 years?r? that is really the answer? >> ethan: that is the root, the genesis of it. when we decide we can't keepep people who need mentalca health care, the turnaround, a fair percentage and also to cope people to use as an example as an antidote to prove how bad it is but the point is this, we have people that need mental

health care and because of what governor reagan did and the federal courts since then is we have a hard time with this. s >> you and i both know that closing down the sanitarium's, the hospitals was a liberal project from beginning to end. reagan was the governor and a sighted, and agree, but if you are blaming ronald reagan for homelessness in modern california, you are not looking at yourself in the mirror and admitting may be my dumb ideas have something to do with it, i mean, honestly. >> ethan: now we have new ideas. a new bill has been passed experimenting with conservative ship and mayor london buried in san francisco and in los angeles addressing head on. actually got funding to finally build some housing that was a requirement from the federal courts before we could do something about getting people off of the streets. >> tucker: just because, so you are saying, hold on, very quick the driving problem profound mental illness, but we

want to put profoundly mental ill, schizophrenics and their own housing unsupervised? that is a good idea, do you think? >> you have mental illness on one hand but you also have the issue of severe shortage of housing and the courts prohibit anything beingd done. so we have housing built in the mayor is working on this. >> tucker: great to see you, ethan, thank you very much. the u.s. is winding down military ventures in a number of countries but appears to be on thee brink of something big. may be intervention in venezuela. yesterday, the president said "all options are open in that country." meanwhile, john bolton national security advisor and advocate of war everywhere went on twitter to praise columbia for accepting venezuelan refugees and then set the rest of the world, including us, should show "the same generosity" in other words a massive immigration way from this country. are we ready? margin of the victory and great

to see you, colonel. so that sounds like a public warning of imminent action that we should prepare for immigrants in the country. >> well, the only thing i can say that i agree with is that latin america should solve this problem.n this is not something we should involve ourselves in. if we go to venezuela with military power, not only will we initiate a war effectively for regime change, and we know where that c leads because we have ben through several of those, but we are making the problems created by the people of venice while our problems. and we will be on the hook for it. it will be an endless money pit, much like iraq and afghanistan. >> tucker: so the operating assumption is that when we are faced with a disaster, we should take in as many refugees as possible. what does that do? >> relief effort from mexico for many, many years.

any time they can't employ people, whenever they have discontented homes, when people lose their jobs, they are sent north. so we have actually relieved the pressure on the mexican government to do anything about the social inequities, the lack of social justice. the criminality, the problems in the country. this is exactly what you see in other latin american countries like venezuela. >> tucker: so how are we making it better if we allow the criminal governments of these countries to continue without being challenged by the population? >> look, first and foremost, the foundation for any successful foreign policy towards central america and south america is in secure southern border. if that is not secure, it is an open wound, and it will be exploited byy everyone south of the rio grande repeatedly in perpetuity. so we've got to secure that r border first. by the way, if we going to venezuela, it's going to cost us an enormous sum of money that

dwarfs the cost of securing the southern border. >> tucker: isn't it racist it to secure our borders? >> no, you don't have a country without borders. we have plenty of evidence throughout the world that walls, bordert fences, troops on the borderre work. the preserve the security of the population that they protect, and they ensure the rule of law in many cases. israel has done this very successfully. the hungarians have done so very successfully. thing. to do the same eventually, you lose yourr country. >> tucker: whose leaders think it is their job to take care of their country. great to see see you. >> thank you very much. >> tucker: richard painter, an expert on dumpster fires, taking aa brief break for what he is so wholeheartedly supports. you will hear from him after the break. just one free hearing test at

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>> tucker: all publicists have the same strategy. first you do "60 minutes" when you are selling a book, and then you go on "the view" to say what you said on "60 minutes." use all that happened with the former fbi director and now, you are watching with the deputy andrew mccabe, "60 minutes", and now,rm taking a victory lap around media landscape and predictably he was on "the view" today to justify doj plan to spy on, undermine, and perhaps overthrow the president of the united states. here is part of it. >> you understand how far we have been pushed even to have a conversation that included those statements. we were all operating under incredible stress. we were all grappling with this idea that we have a president who we think may have committed obstruction of justice. who we think may in fact be a threat to national security. what do we do in this circumstance? >> tucker: russia, one man who

likes the sound of that i did university law professor and dumpster fire richard painter, endorse the idea to remove the president. richard painter joins us now, richard thank you for coming on and go to see you tonight. how would this exactly work? obviously, never attempted to. this is not the kind of scenario designed for, but in your mind, how would they remove the president, by force, with firearms, nets, how would this play out technically speaking? >> richard: first, we are in a great time and i love the university of minnesota there. but i've talked about the 25th amendment a number of times. with respect to the president, the constitution in the late 1960s to address the situation in which the president is physically or mentally incapacitated and unable to carry out his duties.

>> tucker: right, we know what it is. but how would you affect that? how would you do that? presumably the president wouldn't concede to being overthrown, so would you rush into his office? would you rouse him from bed? how would you do this? >> richard: to overthrow the president, this is not about overthrowing the president. there are thousands of psychiatrists who have voiced extreme concerns about president trump -- >> tucker: i've got it, you have shrinks to agree he shouldn't be president and 99% of them i'm sure you would get to say that. >> richard: the 25th amendment, the cabinet, the majority of the cabinet and the vice president could temporary remove the president from office. >> tucker: but how do they do that? i have read the amendment. how do they get him out of the office? >> richard: they want to remove him. that is not what is provided for the constitution.>> to remove him from office but

the objective is to have ae vice president of the united states take over the duties of the president temporarily, while the president would have a psychiatric exam -- >> sean: where almost out of time. you're always rushing around, but the president says "i'm not crazy, i don't want to leave, i was elected by voters two years ago," and then you do what? >> richard: the vice president to temporarily remove the president, then it would be up to two-thirds of the united states house and senatey to permanently remove the president under the 25th amendment. >> tucker: we are out of time. look, think this through a little bit. come back, and we can play it all out because you just started your own -- >> richard: the 25th amendment. >> tucker: the cool food of reason. >> richard: if you don't need to justify for this. >> tucker: no, you don't.

we are out of time and we will back tomorrow night with you sure that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. guess who is next? live from new york! sean hannity. >> sean: tucker, great show as always. welcome to "hannity." a lot of breaking news. lawyers coming with high school student sandmann, have just filed and i have read a $250 million lawsuit against "the washington post" and also breaking news surrounding lying andrew mccabe and a special "hannity" investigation into congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. that is all coming up, but we start tonight with the very latest ont "empire" after jussie smollett, who claims pro-trump racists tied a noose around his neck, doused him in a chemical, all the while shouting racist and homophobic letters. but now the actor ha