seven and vietnam, too. in "america's newsroom." what a day, what a morning! can you just give me -- can you? >> sandra: [laughs] we need some of that around here. thank you for joining us, everybody. the news continues. "outnumbered" starts now. >> harris: fox news alert, we are now awaiting the first court appearance of actor jussie smollett later today. after the "empire" star surrendered to police in chicago earlier this morning before dawn, smollett is now accused of filing a false police report after telling authorities he was assaulted by two men hurling racist and anti-gay insults and a pro-terms looking for your watching "outnumbered," m harris faulkner. here today, town hall at her and fox news contributor, katie pavlich. fox news contributor and national secured analyst, morgan ortagus. fox news analyst and coast of benson and nr from fox news radio, marie harf. in the center seat and former press secretary for

george w. bush and fox news contributor, ari fleischer. we say he's "outnumbered," but he brings it! good to see you. >> ari: good to be back. >> harris: let's get to the news. such a busy day. police say smollett paid two brothers $3500 to stage an attack. as we look at the surveillance video showing the men buying supplies before the incident last month. they are considered cooperating witnesses in the case, and smollett has gone from victim to shut down mike suspect. a short time ago, chicago's police superintendent eddie johnson did not hold back his reaction to the alleged hoax. >> i'm left hanging my head and asking why. why would anyone, especially an african-american man, use the symbolism of a noose to make false accusations? how can an individual who has been embraced by the city of chicago turn around and slap everyone in the city in the face by making these false claims? >> harris: our matt finn's

live in chicago. matt? >> harris, 20 century fox which employees jussie smollett on the show, "empire," now release a statement. the tone is changing. the statement reads in part, "we understand the source of the senate seriousness of this matter and we are availing them situation. we are considering our options." rev sergio 20 century fox denied rumors that they were writing him off the show come but up early now they are considering their options. also, president trump now weighing in on twitter, writing, "jussie smollett, what about maga and the tens of million people you insulted with your dangerous and racist comments?" police tell us that jussie smollett reported it was president trump supportive to beat him. police not deny those claims. the superintendent here in chicago says that smollett carried out this alleged hoax because he was upset about how much he was being paid on the show, "empire." police say he paid the two

brothers $3500 for this alleged hoax with a promise of a $500 followed. police also alleged that smollett did indeed craft that definite letter and sent it to himself. a serious federal crime. the chicago superintendent says the city chicago embraced this actor and then he turned around and slapped the city in the face. >> absolute justice would be an apology to this city that he smeared. admitting what he did. and then the man enough to offer what he should offer up in terms of all of the resources that were put into this. >> the chicago police chief says that the two brothers linked to this case agreed to testify against smollett in the 47th hour of their 48 hour hold, and at that point police classify them as witnesses, not coconspirators. chicago police superintendent

says he wishes families of real victims here in chicago got this much public attention. police say the track these two brothers down via the rideshare car service that they used. they looked at more than 50 cameras, interviewed 100 people, all leading up to jussie smollett turning himself in to police this morning. now he will care before a judge in a courthouse behind me, scheduled for 1:30 local time this afternoon. harris? >> harris: a lot of information. we'll cover that as it happens today live. thank you. >> he said, "this is maga country," go and punch me in the face. so punch it back. i noticed the rope around my neck and i started screaming. >> harris: before he was exposed, jussie smollett tied his attack to president trump and his election campaign theme, specific good. before the factoring and police had gathered all the evidence, hollywood politicians and the media some of them, appear to by

jussie smollett's narrative. watch. >> police say they beat him up, ported unknown chemical over them, at some point during the incident they wrapped a rope around the actor's neck. in an interview, he claimed they were yelling "maga country" as they beat him. >> connect the dots. this is what happened. if you are in a position of power intimate people. >> cory booker says the visions attacked was an attempted modern-day lynching. >> and attack. >> a hollywood star who is black and gay and now the victim of a heinous crime. >> jussie smollett from the hit show "empire," was beat this morning. police say could be a hate crim crime. >> i was so shaken by the strait forgot. i know he walked himself to the hospital. do you know how he is now? >> this is america in 2019. >> harris: and an opinion writer for "the boston herald" with this quote. "the only reason this bogus story from a borderline celeb

wasn't dismissed as ridiculous is because it gave the term painting propaganda posing as reporters a chance to smear the president. it's the same reason the press packed bill weld speech in new hampshire last week. his campaign means more trauma bashing, so they are all in." some lawmakers in 2020 candidates also weighed in with early support for smollett, including senator kamala harris and senator cory booker. after initial reports, booker says smollett was a victim of attempted modern-day lynching. days later he backed off and said he would reserve judgment until all the facts were out. there is a list, and we can go into that. what is your first reaction to this, are you? >> ari: first of all, i just have to say i think he is a small minded man who's going to get what he deserves. what he has really done here is expose one of the cultural issues going on in america. this victimhood chase. if you can show all the right

pieces of victimhood -- in this case, race, orientation, and anti-trump element -- you have combined nitro and glycerin they know the press will cover it. that's what he did. look at the press' initial reaction to this. they just yielded. they rolled over because of that. everything to see that they wanted, including the anti-trump element. where was accuracy, where was the truth? >> harris: where the red flags in the beginning? >> katie: there were a number of red flags for the first being that it was at 2:00 a.m. when the polar vortex, one of the coldest times in the history of the country, was coming through. maga country is not exactly chicago. it's one thing to take his claim seriously as the police did. they made it very clear that we didn't treat him directly because he is a celebrity. we take all hate crimes and treat them equally. however, the issue now is that we see a lot of people saying that the really disappointed in jussie smollett for making up t. celebrities, people in the media. but they are not apologizing to those that they scared.

and the police chief in chicago completely left out today during his remarks about his disappointment. he can be left out the political element of this. it's not just about a young black gay man making up a crime based on racism. he's accusing millions of trump supporters for being racist. if you support maga. let's not forget, and the letter he sent that he made up, there was the man hanging from a noose and "maga" next to it. and a gun. was a death threat. so he didn't just smear the city of chicago. he smeared millions and millions of people. but the media has been trying to paint it as racist for two years. >> harris: there is a layering, morgan, in terms of the effort legally against them. if it's proven that the note but also sort of perpetrated this further talk about what had happened with him -- if that is evidence that something was coming, the fbi now has offered

to take a bite of the apple, too. they want to see with the truth is. >> morgan: as they should. you think every officer, whether it's the affair the police department that are working on this, they are not working on the at least 18 people that have been killed. a news report said there was a 1-year-old. there are so many victims here, whether it's the people in chicago whose family are dealing with real murders, whether it's the number of anti-lgbtq and hate crimes that have gone up in this country, all of those people who are victims. but i think what is fascinating is that the stories going on at a time when ambassador ric grenell, the president 's openly ambassador, is to do my pushing to criminalize that. there is to hang somebody in iran for being gay. i think everyone has come out -- what i would like to suggest is everyone who came out and jump the gun on the story and bashed trump supporters, why don't you look at the effort that ambassador ric grenell is doing? and challenge some positive energy to decriminalize homosexuality and 71 countries.

that's what he could do to make up for the grave errors in judgment i think you had over the last week. >> harris: to add to that, with the superintendent of chicago said today was that we have been solving other homicides throughout this entire thing. we don't divert the resources, but it does cast a shadow over those people who come forward with legitimate cases. which is what you are saying, morgan. >> marie: to morgan's point, the fbi statistics say that for the last three years hate crimes are up in this country significantly. as much as 20%, by some estimates. >> harris: do think he took advantage of that, potentially? >> marie: i don't know. if he himself knew he was taking advantage of that, or even knew the reality. the problem is, hate crime is a serious problem in this country. his a responsibility in this action has made it harder possibly for the victims to get believed in this situation. that, i think, is a real problem. we also have real people using political language to threaten violence that now might not be taken seriously.

like this coast guard lieutenant we saw in maryland. that's a huge story, as well. the police chief, when he started that press conference, he said, "it was all he showed up when there was a young child killed by guns in chicago. i wish there was that much attention paid to those kids who were killed." >> katie: yeah, the criminals carrying out those crimes. the other element of this that is important to talk about is the rush to judgment on social media, on twitter. and the role that journalists and people in hollywood have played in going on twitter and not actually verifying sources, retreating things they have been verified, and saying things may be before they've actually thought about what the facts of the case are. what's actually going on. does this make sense? and i think in media the big question is, should journalists be held to the same standard on their twitter feeds as they are when they are filing a story that has gone through an editor? >> harris: i think the answer to that is yes. there are those of us -- and, ari, and a movie and i've talked about this. we may have in the past with this twitter jump-in.

it's an added layer of responsibility on those of us who call ourselves journalists. there is a reason that many must include on this. howard kurtz and i talked about that. we didn't do it with that, or with covington. i ask a question -- "if this is not true, we will be fraud charges" early on, wanted him all the information. but that's age and experience, potentially. >> ari: i make a decision what hollywood actors say on twitter versus journalists. there's nothing different between twitter and writing something or putting something on tv. it's the medication by journalists. >> katie: but it's a land that has been crossed. >> ari: of course, it's been exposed for what it is paid in this instance, how many reporters are covering? i watched cnn this morning and they haven't mentioned the issue. another they say the story was wrong. they have whitewashed the maga from this matter. when the story first broke, they were all over the fact that it was a maga -- "this is maga country." now that we know it's wrong,

they are only focused on race and orientation. that he shouldn't have done it. but they don't go back to the fact that he erroneously claimed it was maga. why? because it makes the term people be sympathetic and they won't do that. >> harris: wow. that's a lot. well, it has been going on for months. paid for with your tax dollars. now it appears special counsel robert mueller's russia investigation will soon wrap up. the new head of the justice department will decide how much of those findings we all get to see, and it looks like democrats are ready for a fight if the report is not made public. speak of the special counsel needs to bring his evidence forward if he has any, and let's get on with it. the american people deserve to have this thing wrapped up and over with. ♪ alright, i brought in

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♪ >> katie: it's been hanging over the term presidency for months, but now the special counsel investigation may be finally coming to an end. several doj sources tell fox news that robert mueller could submit his findings to attorney general william barr soon. but we understand that president trump's legal team has received no formal notification that the investigation has ramped up. special counsel guidelines stipulate that the attorney general determines the public release of these reports, but questions remain over which findings in it will become available for everyone to see. president trump says that decision is in william barr's hands. watch. >> should the mueller report be released while you are abroad next week? >> that will be up to the new attorney journal. he's a tremendous man, a tremendous person who really respects this country and respects the justice department. so that will be totally up to him. the two attorney general. yes. >> reporter: what you expect from austria?

>> from what i understand, that will be totally up to the attorney general. >> meantime, richard blumenthal's outlining what happens if the ag does not provide what he considers to bea picture of the report. >> they will be subpoenas from congress, including, i hope, from the senate judiciary committee where i sit. there will also be a public perception of cover-up. because if he does think the sitting present can't be indicted, i disagree with him. and if he brings no charges that mueller says can't be brought, and if there are also no public disclosures, the public greatly will feel that there is a cover-up. >> katie: ari, the country has been through a lot on this. people want transparency when it comes to the report. whatever it says. what is your take on the latest news and may be wrapping up again? >> ari: we've been through a lot of damaging issues because

of this. they have to be looked into. the understanding, the division this has created, the people who think donald trump -- they never accepted the election so they sought a criminal path to get them out of office. that's what they want to believe, to the point where the democratic right dull my first presidential candidate says that donald trump engaged in treason. we do need as a nation to have a full, fair, transparent accounting of what has been found. bob mueller, who i have defended since the day but mueller was hired because i still believe in his integrity, he owes it to stand with william barr at a news conference and explain the facts, and william barr needs to explain what will or will not happen as a result. the country needs to know. we need to know everything we can with the exception of the counterintelligence information, which may have to stay secret. everything about culpability, lack of culpability, this country deserves to know it all so we can either say this has been hysteria and the president is owed an apology, or the president colluded or his team colluded. we need to know that, too.

the country deserves to know. >> marie: i totally agree. we always talk about collusion or conspiracy in that piece of his. theirs was the obstruction of justice peace. there are a couple of pieces that bob mueller was tasked to look into. i absolutely believe you will hear pressure from both sides of the aisle to have this report released publicly. i think it would be terrible for the country if it wasn't. there are a lot of democrats, ari, who don't fall into that camp of, "they never accepted the election, they just want donald trump to be impeached." don't laugh, but missile into that category. donald trump won the presidency. i also think bob mueller was right to be appointed and these are issues we need answers to. a lot of democrats fall into category of, "there is shady stuff that has been reported, but we are waiting for mueller to tell us the whole truth." >> ari: way too many democrats jumped off the rail the beginning. worst case fears, boycotted his inauguration. >> harris: those are into different lanes. we are saying it's shady stuff has been reported. who has been reporting it? this has been a pretty leak-free

investigation. >> marie: court filings from bob mueller, and in the seven district related to the investigation. >> harris: but that's not reporting. that would be the media. i do say their bins some missteps there, too, some of the rush to judgment within the media. "it's wrapping up, no it's not! they are carrying out a box, no they are not!" we've been kind of perch to see what happened. but some people are not patient like represented of al green, one of the democrats. i would love to see as president be impeached. can't wait for the investigation to wrap up. now you see a movement among a democrat-lead house. where are they going to fall? if they are waiting for mueller's visitation to wrap up. what if it's not next week? are they willing to wait for the facts? an at the end of the day, the man who just put in the possession of attorney general -- didn't know this -- has a good relationship and past, professional pass, with robert mueller. democrats have said they believe robert mueller and his ability to get to the truth.

william barr has been our ag before. some democrats, not a lot, but some voted for him for his confirmation. when all is said and done, if those things don't exist -- collusion and of those other things. collusion is not a crime. conspiracy. if those things don't exist, will democrats move on? with a let it go? >> katie: to that point, democrats need to be dumpling the possible results of the mueller investigation in case they don't get what they want, which is now they are now launching all their own and in discussions. >> morgan: i will just take him to keep this in mind -- and re-knows this because we both have worked in the government and intelligence community -- this is a counterintelligence investigation. the caveat to releasing the full report is there may be some things that will be disclosed because it will reveal sources. lip to keep keep that in mind. the audience that matters the most here is not the house, not the american people. it senate republicans. senate republicans are the ones who are ultimately going to decide the fate of this president, when the report does come out. that's my real audience and who i am looking to see what they

say next week. >> katie: speaking of next week, in the meantime, president trump's former attorney michael cohen agreeing to publicly testify next wednesday in front of congress after a federal judged primitive a post moment to report to prison as he recovers from surgery. elijah cummings also announcing that a list of topics has been agreed upon and lawmakers will limit their scope of questioning giving input from two and is beneath congress. they are -- they will settle for nothing less than impeachment. an interesting timing is the testimony comes in the same day president trump is overseas for a second summit with north korea's leader. marie, michael cohen is an admitted later. he has been prosecuted and convicted. he admitted he was guilty of lying to congress.

is this he witnessed people should be paying attention to? >> marie: ethically heard from both sides of the aisle. many of them, not jim jordan, bunny of them in congress thing that michael cohen came into our house and lie to us. we need to get a backup here. there was broad bipartisan support for that concept, that he should come back and fix his testimony. because they do want the truth. it'll be interesting to see next week. he is testifying in public, and then and private to the intelligence committee. some of that may unfortunately leak, but i think will be interesting to see how michael cohen answer some of these questions. what insight he's able to give. look at, you lied to congress, go back and fix it. >> katie: any time president trump is going to be holding his second summit in vietnam, it will be interesting to see what the media does in terms of the coverage. whether they will be covering this historic summit are giving more oxygen to michael cohen. >> morgan: i don't have a problem with going going back to testify. that's up to the chairman of the committee. that's their prerogative. certainly, when republicans were in power, they called plenty of

people of that year that irritated president obama. it's part of the game. everybody plays the game. i don't have an issue with that. i do have an issue with the timing. i think when the president is overseas and one of the most pivotal negotiations likely of his presidency, plain politics during the dash i would say move it a day or two. don't have it while the president is overseas conducting such a crucial negotiation. >> harris: a ari, the timing is interesting, too. i know he had surgery, it was canceled a few times, reports that he was out, medical questions, blah, blah, blah, but the fact of the matter is that now he's got a two month delay before he goes to prison. we may see more of him. [laughter] >> ari: to me, this is like watching a rerun. i don't know what the juice is left and michael cohen prayed we've heard what he said. we know what he's going to say. there's only one new question i would have her michael cohen. the most thing michael cohen says without the president made the hush money payments to stormy daniels, "playboy" model. that has raised the federal collection

election commission issue. people argue about how serious that is. one question i would ask, did the president ever authorize you to make hush money payments to other women prior to these two? because if he did, it shows this is not campaign related and this is a pattern for donald trump. therefore, the allegation that this is somehow a new development in the middle of the campaign -- i would like to know that question. other than that, i don't think michael cohen has anything left to offer to anybody other than to try and save his own skin because he is off to prison for perjury. >> harris: talking on the hill would not mitigate his present circumstances, but if you became useful to a different investigation perhaps -- if visitation were to wrap up that next week -- >> ari: democrats interamericana republicans got themselves in a lot of trouble addressing everything. the democrats have the same risk. etiquette backfired on republicans. >> marie: i totally disagree. >> ari: policies the way forward. they can get pretty exhausted. if the only thing good canoes in a sea of people you don't like.

>> marie: epic the multiple investigations into hillary clinton painted a picture of her publicly that was very hard for it overcome. some of it her own fault. i'm not removing her from responsibly. i think investigation on the investigation -- >> harris: she didn't need it -- >> marie: but the narrative people would say about her was in large part formed by those multiple investigations that republicans in congress did. >> katie: etiquette the fact that she was a liar. but we will move on. a grilling showdown between president trump and top democrats over his emergency declaration to get a portable. house speaker nancy pelosi setting a vote to try and block it. one republican senator is breaking with the president on the issue. will others follow? or with the g.o.p. stand with the president on building the wall? that's next. ♪ (announcer) people with type 2 diabetes are excited about the potential of once-weekly ozempic®. in a study with ozempic®, a majority of adults lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than seven

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resolution blocking president trump's emergency declaration for a border wall. house speaker nancy pelosi is now urging members to sign on as cosponsors by tonight. democrats are also looking to get g.o.p. votes. if the resolution passes, senate minority leader chuck schumer will be able to force a vote in the g.o.p.-led senate. republican senator susan collins said yesterday that she would support a resolution of disapproval on the emergency declaration. and the hill has identified nine other republican senators who may also vote to block the president's order. the white house promises a veto if the measure passes the senate. all right, you are just brilliant with messaging. you have worked in a white house. what would you be telling this white house to do right now? >> ari: well, this is a hard one for me. because i'm in a different spot on this. i think if congress had never passed an agreement on the budget to keep the government open, the president would have been right to declare an emergency because we need to protect the border.

congress enacted a compromise. whether you like it or you don't, congress enacted and the president signed it into law. i don't think he had the right grounds to declare an emergency here, particularly when he could have gotten so much of the funding additional to what was appropriated for the border as a result of the money he tapped from treasury and justice. so you could have gone so much of what he wanted without throwing down the gauntlet on emergency. i am one who believes that if you call something emergency, it should be bipartisan. it should be something that most people shake their head and go, "yeah, thank goodness he did it, because this is an emergency." >> of the white house won't call you on this one pair [laughter] >> ari: i have color i.d.! >> harris: katie, is the president right about being able to reallocate some funds to get this done if he doesn't call an emergency? >> katie: i mean, according to some of the stenches that congress has enabled and given the president power to do, he does. you have mike lee, a strict constitutionalist, saying, "look, i don't like it. it may be unconstitutional, but it's legal because congress has ceded the power to the executive branch." my problem with this is may be

of congress spent just as much time as they are doing to write this resolution of condemnation as they would solving the crisis that is one, that everyone has admitted as a crisis -- whether you agree it's an emergency is different -- but there is a humanitarian crisis. it's getting worse, and the bill congress just passes adding gasoline to the humanitarian fire. maybe they should spend some of their time coming up with a solution to the current problem rather than doing this symbolism of condemning with the president has done. >> harris: you know, the pessimistic flow of where we are right now, morgan, is that that's not politically expedient. what katie is talking about there, actually solving a problem. >> morgan: yeah, and i think what ultimately will happen here is the house will probably pass it. and in the senate, susan collins has said she will already support it. and you'll need, what, four republicans in the senate question marks be when they said they have eight or nine. >> morgan: what i don't think they will have as a veto-proof majority in the senate. ultimately, if this does get to the president, this is a poetical exercise on behalf of

the democrats. because they will clearly veto this bill. >> marie: but will also be interesting how other republicans and senate -- and i mention this yesterday on the couch -- they are your number of republicans up for reelection in 2020. people like sonny purdue and tom tillis and joni ernst. >> morgan: david purdue. [laughter] a >> marie: sorry! i'm having a moment. that was good, thank you. yes, senator purdue. >> ari: deep knowledge! [laughter] >> marie: i think it's about putting republicans on the record on many things they've spoken not on the past. executive power. they spoke about this issue. getting them on the record, i think, is an important thing to do. because the bins outspoken. there are a number of republicans besides the collins and murkowski have a political captivation to make. they have a calculation to make about 2020 and their own reelection. >> harris: before we have to scoot quickly, ari, what your opinion about something. other presidents have declared emergency. right? they have used their executive

order. or, executive privilege, to do that. how is the scene differently customer democrats are threatening -- and you say, "well, maybe this could happen if you wanted to do it over gun violence." that sort of thing. but how is this different? >> ari: i think that's a fair point. in the tit-for-tat world of the politics today, that's a justifiable position to take. >> harris: the other presidents have done it. >> marie: it's a money issue. >> ari: barack obama's president don mike penn has fallen. when he said he couldn't do 216, he started his path to undermine the rule of law. when president obama found a way to do money for obamacare that wasn't appropriate, he started this again. i have a hard time saying that he did something that wasn't done before, especially by his immediate predecessor. >> harris: but you think it creates a snowball effect? yes. i think it should be an emergency. it's not going to -- yeah, i understand that. having served, i like to believe that. we should all be, frankly.

i can play tit-for-tat politics just as well as anybody else. especially after you leave government, you realize you shouldn't. >> harris: so i do get it done customer you got walls and 600 plus miles. you've got barriers. >> ari: here's the thing, harris -- the present could be celebrating -- >> harris: yes, you do! >> marie: he will get it done. people don't want it. >> ari: he could be building even more than 55 with the additional funds he can legibly tap. he could be holding ceremonies to talk about the new judges that are part of this bill. all of law enforcement. this could be a celebration, moment after moment after moment after media moment for the president. instead we are stuck on whether it's an emergency. will get stuck in court and will congress act against him? he picked through the emergency a whole bunch of trap ends that take away from all the celebrations he could have had over his enacting border securi. >> harris: he could still do it. >> ari: but he's got that instead of just whens. >> harris: bernie sanders plane to make a second run for

president as a democrat. an old interview from the 1980s has revealed just how socialist -- i think that should see how socialistic -- the democratic socialist really is. we'll break it down, next. ♪

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♪ >> marie: senator bernie sanders plants assign a pledge saying he will run as a democrat in 2020 and govern as one if he is elected in compliance with new dnc rules. this, coming as an old interview resurfaces from the mid-'80s when he was the mayor of burlington, vermont. in the interview, he was asked about redlines in nicaragua and has a poet of the socialist party ruling the country at the time. he says, "it's way sometimes, people talk about how bad a country is because people are lining up her food. that's a good thing. in other countries, people don't line up her food. the rich get the food and the poor starve to death." okay, ari, we're not going back

to every interview he has ever given. when he said many things seem out of step, dodges with most americans that most of the democratic party. i don't think you will be the nominee. >> ari: this doesn't matter what you call yourself, it matters what you think. and he things like a socialist. >> marie: he calls himself socialist. >> ari: and democrats defend him saying he's a democratic socialist as if it's different. >> marie: i don't defend him, i don't like is democrat of any kind! [laughter] >> ari: the problem they have is that the two people who provide intellectual energy for the party right now are socialist. aoc and burning. >> marie: no way! >> ari: stop interrupting! was the two people driving the democrats intellectual ideas. those are what their policies are being made after. medicare for all. all the things bernie ran on before, and aoc is pushing with the green new deal. this is the intellectual army that the democrats are following. this the problem. this is one of donald trump's greatest strengths. the democrats running like this provides a tremendous boost for donald trump. >> harris: the strontium cut we also often see on this

network, antjuan seawright, was on "outnumbered overtime" with me yesterday. he said democrats are looking to see through the dnc if they can block bernie from running as a democrat. [laughs] >> marie: again, how is it -- >> harris: next to the aisle where he was at the dnc convention, looking with a straight line face emoji because he had all those people supporting him but have you got it anyway! he nominated her. if he's not a democrat, how did that happen at the democratic convention customer that i hallucinate? >> marie: because people didn't like hillary. >> harris: whoa, whoa, whoa! that doesn't mean he's not a democrat! >> marie: he's not tech a member of the democratic party. >> harris: so how did he do that? >> marie: because he got people to -- >> harris: no, i was able to nominate her? >> marie: he got on the ballot ballot. >> katie: came and got back to the socials and part of this custom wreck i think you shouldn very seriously in this sense. the majority of millennials, which is a generation that is 90 million people strong, believe that socialism is better

than capitalism. the 2020 election is going to be a fight between the free market and socialist policies. bernie sanders believes in marxism and communism. he has praised communist russia, as you just saw, with the quote there. he thinks that bread lines are an example of a government functioning. he wants america to be like venezuela. he's on the side of maduro right now. he doesn't want the united states go on behalf of the people there and bolstering him. we should take them seriously. he wants a different vision for america than it has been. based on the number of people who believe in that ideology now, i think we have to really combat it was talking about the detrimental effects of communism in marxism and socialism, what they had on the global scale for centuries. >> marie: morgan, the reason why i was pushing back on ari's is because, as a democrat was listening to all of the candidates, you have large majority of the candidates running or not socialist and who are running on socialist -- quote medicare for all is not technically a social system.

>> ari: private insurance companies. >> marie: morgan, i think the caricature -- if it's something you like bernie -- will be easy to make. i don't like it to be bernie. it'll be somebody like biden or klobuchar. >> morgan: the democrats of the path to success in 2018. what is that? jessica tarlov, r. kelly, has talked about this a lot on the couch. which is running martyr people in the swing districts. our problem is that -- i see this as having been a card-carrying member of the republican establishment in the 2016 primary. i think that you are a democrat establishment, you understand that a moderate -- somebody like biden or klobuchar -- somebody who could threaten the president. unfortunately i think you're on the same position i was in a 2016, when so many of us in the republican establishment didn't understand how angry our base was. how fed up baseless. it wasn't until then-candidate trump came on the scene that many of us had our eyes open and said, "wow, we do understand the

palpable anger." and i think that's where the democrat establishment is in 2020. exactly where we were in 2016. >> marie: we will see, we will put it to the test as the primaries get started. alexandria ocasio-cortez not the only freshman democrat lawmaker on capitol hill making ways. ilhan omar still under fire for her treats. some even in her own party thought were anti-semitic. she's are partly apologizing again and we will tell you to who, whether this will be enough to put the issue to rest. next. ♪

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is this apology enough? she sort of had to apologize for this multiple times. should be taken at face value, except the apology, and move on? >> ari: of never been much for the politics of apologies. they don't matter to me that much. what matters to me more is what you think it was in your heart. was so revealing about her tweets. the "benjamin's" used to support israel, is the power of ideas. the idea of israel is that it's the one bastion in a bad region of the world where there are no democracies, where israel is the most pro-western, pro-american, only democratic free state that is a peaceful state that was attacked by all its neighbors the date was created. that's a country worth supporting as americans. when i hear the reasons americans supported it because of money, this is terribly bothersome. especially because it is the anti-semitic trope everybody has used for thousands of years. >> morgan: marie, already brings up good point for democratic support of the state of israel, which has waned.

by many accountants no longer a bipartisan issue that it once was. or do you think the democrat party is moving as it relates to support for the state of israel? >> marie: i think american support for israel has dipped a bit. in part that has been a reaction to israeli politics and benjamin netanyahu going farther right. you can criticize their politics about being anti-semitic. you can hold them to account for policies about without being anti-semitic. on the question of this congresswoman, i think it's a good thing that she reached out to jewish groups and wanted to talk to them. what's the alternative, not doing a customer i i don't obviously like her tweets were think they were a good thing to do or believe, but if she can have a dialogue with jewish groups and maybe learn from them, that's a place to start, right? >> harris: do you think she should be on a foreign affairs committee at this point? >> marie: yes, i'm fine with her being on that committee. >> katie: she should be on that committee because she symbolizes with terrorists. she left about the fact that al qaeda and has belied put on terrorists lists. when she took a quart down my college course on it, she didn't think it would be -- that we speak about terrorist groups as

if they are these bogeyman type organizations. she wrote dominic reliably does things for the holy land project to funding for armas. their issues beyond her anti-semitism which has repeated itself. that are very concerning, considering her high position on the foreign affairs committee. >> harris: i want to yield my time to ari. you are in a unique position. i watch you on twitter, their way to maybe share with our audience your perspective on it. >> ari: first welcome of the decline of support for israel has been a decades-long problem for the party. has nothing to do with netanyahu, it happen for a commit office. democrats have never supported israel the way that the republicans have. democratic support has collapsed. republican support has surged. >> morgan: we will have to go, but we will be back with more "outnumbered" in just a moment. your home's value. thank you, admiral. so if you need money for your family, call newday usa.

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couch today. we appreciate your perspective. anything else to add before we go? >> ari: no, it's been great to be here. thank you to all of you. >> marie: will be back tomorrow at noon eastern. now, up to harris. >> harris: thanks a lot, katie. enter everybody there. fox news alert, that costar lieutenant who was accused of planning a mass terrorist attack is due in court at any moment. we are covering this story this hour. "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. federal prosecutors say 49-year-old christopher stockpiled weapons for years while making a hit list of prominent politicians and journalists. the claim he wrote about his plan, saying he dreamed of a way to kill almost every last person on earth. let's go live to gillian turner outside the courthouse in maryland. julian? >> harris, i'm here at the district kurt donna court in maryland where the hearing is just about to get underway. it is slated to start at 1:00 p.m. as mentioned, he is currently servin