vietnam for the cemetery thinks would be here today. the tar heels beat duke! oh, my gosh, . >> heather: with those exploding shoes! >> bill: that they did. have a great weekend, we will see you next weekend. >> heather: bye-bye. ♪ >> melissa: nu fought over "empire" actor jussie smollett's alleged hate crime hoax that has ignited an intense national debate. now the producers of the fox show they're moving his character from the final two episodes of the current season. this, after he met with this cassock yesterday and apologize over the embarrassment while maintaining his incidents. this is to be 25 and i'm melissa francis. here's the, harris faulkner. town hall editor and fox news contributor, katie pavlich. fox news contributor jessica tarlov, and joining us on the couch, brian brenberg,

chairman of the program in business and finance at the kings college in new york city. and he is "outnumbered." we are excited to have you backk your today! >> brian: great to be her on a busy day. happy friday, little warmer today. >> harris: we've got a lot to get to. >> melissa: good stuff. after jussie smollett released from custody under a bond into a mob of reporters in chicago yesterday. after being charged with felony disorderly conduct, the judge giving smollett a tongue lashing over the prosecutor's claims that he paid to cope men to attack him and what looked to be a racist and anti-gay hate crime in an attempt to boost his career and his salary. he also allegedly sent himself a racist threat in the mail. the case expected to have national implications. "the washington post" putting it this way -- in a headline. "jussie smollett's alleged lies will bring great harm to innocent victims." in the meantime, chicago mayor rahm emanuel is taking aim at

the media over its coverage of smollett's explosive claims that he was the victim of hate in the city streets. listen. >> i think the national media, i think national politicians, they need to take a step back and think about this moment. they need to think about other moments, and think about how we approach stories going forward. because you and i know that the moment this was said everybody rushed to judgment about the veracity of it. i hope one of the things we all come out of this with is learning that before you rush to judgment we should take a pause, get the facts. >> melissa: i mean, brian, i'm getting whiplash when you sort of contrast this with the #metoo movement. we are sort of being scolded for having rush to believe when a short time ago we were to believe everyone. how do you see things?

>> brian: the thing that's been lost in all of this is the honest pursuit of the truth. we live in a time -- let's face it -- we live in a time where people like to talk about my truth or your truth but not the truth. and it's the truth that makes the difference. getting to the truth is the best way to protect real victims of real oppression. real injustice. if you don't do that, the spotlight ends up on places like this or in ways like this that take it off of people who really need help. to me, there is actually maybe a silver lining here. that is people who care about the truth now having the ability to ask that question again, and not be pilloried for it. >> harris: you just dropped that mic. you are preaching right now. i would hope that we will give the same kind of concern and media coverage of the truth as we did the alleged hoax. >> brian: the outcome of this is the problem -- all the air gets sucked out of the room and there are legitimate, honest, tough questions to ask.

with the tough question is not insensitive. it's helpful to people. >> katie: harris, cherry point, the police chief said that yesterday. he said "i hope the real facts of this case get as much attention as the original allegations." the truth is, the media has lot responsibility than they want to take on. they set up an environment that allowed people -- or at least incentivize them -- to jump to conclusions about this. the media has a habit of assigning guilt or innocence not based on the fact that on skin color and gender. we need to stake down like take a step back and realize that in america we are all judged or should be judged with a blindfold. now in your skin color, not energetically based on the fact facts. they create a lot of other victims here as a result of his false claims. while we see in other people apologize, but not apologize and be upset with him for saying these things, you've not seen a lot of retractions or apologies for the people he smeared.

the president brought up yesterday, "i've got supporters who were dragged through mud all all this. the police chief did mention it and a lot of these hollywood celebrities in the media haven't mentioned it, either." >> melissa: you know how else did mention a couple of the politicians who came out early. as a circle background and said, what you have to say now that it may not be the case? listen. >> the information is still coming up. i will with a little comes out. >> i will say this about that case. i think the facts are still unfolding. >> reporter: can you tell us something about jussie smollett? did you jump to the smoking gun defense too early? >> melissa: what do you think, jessica? >> jessica: ethic is incredibly complicated and incredibly sad. we need to make sure that, first and foremost, we continue to be a society that believes people and at least investigates what's happening. we are seeing this unfold as

well in virginia with women who say that justin fairfax sexually assaulted them year ago. i don't lose that threat. if he could support to continue to consider how much more likely person of color in this country where minority would be a victim of a hate crime. the specifics are harrowing from people of the lgbtq community, the people of color. we need to keep that top of mind. there was a rush to judgment, but he read an interesting piece that dr. jason nichols, who was frequently on your show, wrote. about how they want to believe these people. al sharpton played a role on that. the reason for that is because of how feasible it is that something like this could happen because of the way society is structured. and the incidences of these crimes. >> harris: can i jump in for a second? i know dr. nichols from "outnumbered overtime." he is always really interesting when he makes a point. i would say this -- i am a person of color who did not jump

to believe. i saw a red flag from the beginning, from a journalistic standpoint. which is different than sometimes looking at something and opening -- >> jessica: giving the benefit of the doubt. >> harris: flowering your heart to a situation just because you share some categories of likeness. that's not what happened. that's not what happened with me and many other people who look like me who happen to be in the business of journalism. we looked at this, and there were some inconsistencies. i understand what you're saying, but opening your heart and understanding as a human being that others can go through things does not have to be mutually exclusive to the facts. and waiting for things to catch on before you call something as incendiary. let me finish. as incendiary as a lynching, kamala harris, cory booker. cory booker, both of them are u.s. senators. he walked it back-to-back a bit. i don't know who he thinks that when he killed what you can from that treat. i don't know anybody on social

media who thinks you can put a cat back in the bag like that. had certain categories that we have to be careful with because of where we are. if we're ever going to go forward, we do have to look at the facts and have an open heart. they are not mutually exclusive. >> jessica: and i don't think that. i think they are going to struggle with this and having to walk back of a kind of language, and we talked about this before with hakeem jeffries saying the grand wizard of the kkk lives at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. i just hope we don't become a society that doesn't give the benefit of the doubt from the start, and that is opening up your heart and letting the facts of the case -- >> harris: we are america, we help everybody all over the world. there are some of the most giving people on the planet. but we can't be blind to the facts. we've got to be patient. >> katie: b can be judging and integral people -- republicans, conservatives, people who voted for the president -- of racism and white's primacy. which the media has done for two years. this case posted on the water because it's something he thought he could get away with. >> harris: we have some

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going to do it anyway through some sort of cheat code." meanwhile, top senate democrats chuck schumer is trying to drum up support for a some of the revolution he plans to introduce the g.o.p. lead chamber will it would face an uncertain future. susan collins said she will vote to block the president's declaration. the hill has identified nine other republicans as potential flippers, footing against the president's declaration. all this setting up a fight that could lead to the president's first ever vito. that is because, brian, i don't think any of it gives them a veto-proof majority. >> brian: no, they won't have a vetoproof majority in the senate. i do think when i look out the house talking about this resolution, wanting to take back power that is rightfully congress', where have you been on that for decades? you've been giving the executive power for decades. by the way, democrats in the house -- you were talking about

doing more of that with the green new deal. now you want these constitutional checks and balances question or give me a break. i agree there's an issue there, you're just not the ones who should be making it. >> melissa: i thought the same thing. i thought, "yeah, go ahead and take back your power. and why don't you do some work while you're at it? because in the past year voted in favor of $9 billion in barriers and all of the sudden you don't want to fund any of it puttsmac you are not for one single dollar?" and before that, why don't they go ahead and fix the immigration system customer graphical americans can agree on whatever you fault where it is, that it needs fixing. and they are the ones who haven't done the legislative work to fix it. yes, take back the power and get to work. >> harris: that is a magic four-letter word -- "work." [laughter] >> katie: work it out! i think democrats are setting themselves up for a problem. you've heard come up with the president's national emergency declaration, democrats saying --

"we will be able to declare a national emergency on climate change and gun control." but they are about to go on record saying the president can't or shouldn't do it and take back the power. so in the future, if there is a democratic president who decides to do something like this, they have already put themselves on record on the house and senate vote saying this is something the president shouldn't be doing in the first place. to melissa's point -- and we talked about this yesterday, as well -- the president, when it gets to his desk as a veto, he's not going to have any kind of real legislation to sign when it comes to solving the problem of border security. he can still look at congress and go, "that's great! are going to condemned my national emergency. what are you doing about thousands of people flowing over the border every single week?" >> harris: before come to you, let's watch congressman inez about democrats push to block the declaration. >> i don't think i can make much of it. this is just more politics. it's going to be interesting to see if the democrats actually put the votes on the board.

i have a funny feeling that they will get all the democrats to vote for it. there will be a lot who actually do want border security in this country. and you will get virtually no republicans. >> harris: jessica? >> jessica: well, devin nunes isn't one of our top advisors. i say he's not going to be harder out from that sound bite. democrats will vote against thi this. the difference between this national emergency declaration of what might come in the past or what has been before, is how the cash is being appropriated. president trump was to take money from other areas. i think of the democrats were to make a case about climate change or gun violence, they would have better statistics to back that up. the president -- and be all caught it when he was giving that emergency declaration press conference -- said, "i didn't need to do this." he admitted in the preamble that it was unnecessary and he has set over two years to do this and didn't move on it. so the democrats have a very strong case, here. it's 16 states that are already

suing. >> harris: 16 so far. >> jessica: and they are using his linkage against him, for good reason. >> harris: brian, let's step back. we haven't spent much time with the president said and those words are hanging they are like a flat balloon. what are your thoughts on it? >> brian: at the gets funny that we are sitting here parsing the president's word so closely and somehow assuming that's what this thing tips on. the issue tips on exactly to your point earlier whether anyone in congress has done the work needed to get something done on immigration. the answer is no. he won why didn't republicans get it done? just talk to me about it. [laughter] 16-foot majority. putting something up that they would even put to the floor. you know what i'm trying to say. >> katie: they didn't get done last spring because there were elections coming. they want to take tough votes and fight won the election was coming. and then they lost anyway and put the president in a difficult spot in december before the house was turned over to democrats. republicans, for decades, have also been responsible for this ongoing crisis at the border.

it's not just trump or obama or george w. bush, it's been going on for a very long time. here's a president trying to stop the new crisis with central americans and he doesn't seem to be getting any support. so republicans have a lot of responsibility here, but the reason they didn't get it done over the first two years as they didn't want to take the political risk with the midterm elections. >> brian: it takes two to tango, as well. the fact is they haven't had a partner in this. they haven't played ball the right way" haven't been partners in this. as a result you get nothing done. so the president looks at this and says, "this is an emergency. congress, you give me the ability to declare this national emergency. i'm going to do it and let's see what happens." >> melissa: in the meantime, one of president trump's most vocal critics, democratic congressman adam schiff, pending an open letter in "the washington post" yesterday urging his republican colleagues to go public with private concerns they might have with the president -- especially his national emergency declaration to build the wall.

writing, "when the president attacked the independence of the justice department by intervening in a case in which he is implicated, you did not speak out. when he attacked the press as an enemy of the people, you again were silent. and now he comes for congress, seeking to strip it of its greatest power -- that of the purse. you have chosen to keep your misgivings and your rising alarm private. that must end. you must speak out." katie, i love this. "rising alarm!" >> katie: i don't trust adam schiff at all. i'm sure there are some republicans every scene on the record that are saying, "we don't like this national emergency." mike lee, a constitutionalist, said it's unconstitutional but it's legal. the way they proceeded to the legislative branch for years and years. their other republican saying publicly that they don't like the way the branch has been abused. but for adam schiff think that that republicans on capitol hill are going to be allies with him after everything he has done and plans to do, i think he is

hoping for a little too much. the two jessica, i always think it's rich when they say that in private they bemoaned his lack of decency, character, and integrity. these are politicians. [laughter] i don't think of them as leaders of character and integrity. >> harris: that's too bad! >> melissa: it's true. >> jessica: the american public agrees, even if they do think that donald trump's character is a little bit worse than your average politician. but millions of people went to the polls in 2016 and said, "i don't care about his character or how he treats his wives or women or whatever it is. i like conservatives on the supreme court and i want a tax cut." and these people have -- republicans in congress have largely gotten agenda in line with republican parodies. national emergency is a bit of it out later get there, but the idea that adam schiff is going to be coming out of the wings on this one is rich. but senate republicans are doing their job. we already have nine that are

saying they aren't going to this which will hold in its tracks. >> brian: there are been a ton of cases where republicans come out and say they don't like what the president is doing, number one. so this is factually incorrect. number two, this is the common strategy that he and others like to use. "beneath the surface, there's all sorts of rancor and discord and it's ready to pop. and man is going to be ugly." he's done that for years now. he's doing it again, assuming republicans aren't on board by a large with the president. i don't think the strategy works, but he sticks with it and it is clearly something he's doing repeatedly. speech he was also interesting because, as he says, there's all this grumbling behind the scenes -- maybe there is. because this president is about upsetting the status quo and the swamp and the entrenched interests. and republicans are just as guilty as democrats, being part of the swamp and part of the establishment. >> harris: we mentioned earlier that nancy pelosi is

moving a case for this, the big full vote happening on tuesday. we learned that from a short press or a time ago. she also said the problem with mexico was going to pay for it. declaring a national emergency to honor in applause line is this funding the constitution. "he is dishonoring the office in which he served." brian? >> brian: he's got a problem, we've got problems country. he is taking the step available to him to do it, whether end ups being constitutional is a question we will deal with. i just think it's rich -- simplicity leveling this claimant adam schiff leveling it. he was supposed to be the speaker of house? nancy pelosi was not supposed to be, because the disgruntled democrats were supposed to rise up and find new leadership. where are those hidden voices rising up? >> harris: head on the forehead with a virtual gavel she carries. >> brian: they promised a wave, what we got was a whimper. >> jessica: there was a huge wave, actually. now we have a new election in

north carolina because the republican did ballot tampering at all that jazz. it was a wave if you look at the historical trends. it's bigger than what past presidents had gotten. nancy pelosi is the right person to be leaving and that's why it's five or six of those that did dissent against her on board with her. be to are yelling at me. the battle intensifies between conservative agnes e-groups and congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. the group accusing her of costing new york city thousands of jobs by opposing the amazon headquarters deal. who is winning this battle among voters? plus, president trump gearing up for a second summit with kim jong un as the democrats have even left over the loop. to the warehouse be more open about its north korean strategy when it comes to congress? read debate. >> we've got a long way to go. we will see what happens, but we are continuing to make progress on this is another great step

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i figured so disingenuous of the critique care. all mcginnis, this may not be great. the aggression. they haven't taken any steps to sort their program. >> brian: and talking about the conversations testing missiles look at reach areas we didn't want to reach. he went to your point, jessica, i have talked with military leadership about this. even kellyanne conway, senior advisor to the president.

about what it is that denuclearization looks like. are we even on the same page? and that is a sticking point. that is someplace that we still need to get to. the big decision is, do you want to get there and have a conversation via letter sent over phones? or do you want to do it face-to-face? and that is a difference in ideology and is a difference in how you view a carrot on a stick. katie? >> katie: the chrysostom of the president was that he wasn't using enough diplomatic resources to have this conversation. he said, i will be the top diplomat and meet with him in singapore and get this thing started. so we can cut out the middleman that had been negotiating the synchrotron years. this next summit and if you and i would be similar to the one in singapore. the white house as it's going to be about breaking the ice in the president going in and having a conversation with kim jong un and saying, "this is where country could look like. to comply and follow through with a promise leave me to

denuclearize, this is a future north korea could have. you have a good future there, the people have a good future there, and the present was christmas this week for saying, "we are not in a hurry." putting a timeline on that. for now they are giving these incentives to see how much they're going to comply with while they have stopped. >> harris: i will tell you who like this -- let's pop up that fox news poll. a number of registered voters who took the survey say they approved president trump's handling of north korea. 46% now give it their stamp of approval, marking a new high. melissa? >> melissa: when you go back to sort of the different approach to things, this is one of the areas where we see how different the president is from presidents in the past. coming from a business background myself, a ceo always no space face. without locking the door, looking in the eyes of the of the and having the conversation.

you work up to that. it'll get the honor of sitting across the table from the guy in charge. we will see in the end which ends up being more successful. but you wouldn't dream of not going in person having the conversation. >> harris: here's my follow-up. we know that we have a ceo passed with this president. as the power and getting up as the president has said and walking away, rather than having that message carry via several different people? >> melissa: having the message -- >> harris: yeah, to get up and walk away from the table. >> melissa: right, it is much more powerful. lindsey graham is making a point earlier on the network that they believe him. they are afraid of this president, whether you are talking about north korea or you are talking about enemies and islamic circles. they understand that he means what he says. if you're sitting across at the table, you are right, that stand up and walk out mean something

more. >> jessica: can add one thing quickly? i think it really comes down to who you see this as a coup for. the white house wanted to be for president trump and he is gotten kim jong un to the table twice. >> melissa: advocates for anybody. >> jessica: there's a power struggle going on and kim jong un definitely think she's in the power position because he gets the president to come over there. >> harris: denuclearization. right? that's a coup for everybody around the world! hello? let's move on. more than two weeks since women have accused virginia's lieutenant governor of sexual assault, and so far no investigations and no resignation. one of his alleged victims wants to know why nothing has happened to democrat justin fairfax. and there is new wrinkle in the scandal surrounding the state's governor. it details, debate, next. ♪ ahh, new house, eh? well, you should definitely see how geico could help you save on homeowners insurance. nice tip. i'll give you two bucks for the chair. two?! that's a victorian antique! all right, how much for the recliner, then?

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governor fairfax's accusers now demanding in a discussion for the rep of the session. vanessa ties and blessing politicians on both side of the aisle in a statement reading, "the virginia general assembly has remained silent and has taken no action whatsoever in response to her allegations even after a second woman, meredith watson, came forward." while lawmakers in both parties have responded with words of concern, they have utterly failed to ask." it's been nearly three weeks since both accusers, vanessa tyson and meredith watson, came forward with allegations. still no investigation. democratic party leaders including 2020 presidential candidates cory booker, kamala harris, kirsten gillibrand, and elizabeth warren have called on fairfax to resign. in the meantime, democratic governor ralph northam not faring so well at the outside of his so-called apology two or three weeks after his black face scandal erupted.

virginia union university, a historically black institution in richmond, announced he would attend a phase identity and social justice conversation with students earlier in the week. but the president of the student body wrote a letter asking ortho not to come. he will instead host an event at the statehouse. first, jessica, i want to go to you on the sexual assault allegations. the democrats in virginia have called for justin fairfax to step down for an investigation to be launched. what is your take on the current situation with democratic party in virginia? >> jessica: i can't believe it's been a couple weeks. everybody was pretty unanimous at all these people -- not mark herring, the ag, but northam and fairfax had to go but it was the right way for an investigation to rule it without fairfax in office. i'm not sure what's going on or if this is some sort of protection mechanism. like, "if we wait them out maybe we can get away with this." but vanessa tyson is completely correct to be bringing this up

again and putting it back in our consciousness. going back to our first segment about jussie smollett and the media here, the cycle is so packed with news and we even had this week christopher hassan at the coaster. people take in front of them and the stories can be missed. in the area of me too it shouldn't be missed. >> katie: and the attorneys for dr. tyson are saying that justin fairfax is being disingenuous when he asks for and if you have a solution because they don't have jurisdiction. they're also saying that the county district attorney in virginia has reached out to do that investigation. so it seems like they are frustrated with the lack of action as far as the accusations. >> melissa: it's amazing, it does seem like folks that are involved are thinking that they can just wait it out. and the new cycle does move so fast, i wonder if that's true. i wonder if they can just kind of hang on by the virtue of

time. that would be really unfortunate. for anybody who wants justice, you have to not only speak up, you have to continue to speak up over and over and over again. until somebody finally investigated. try to just wait it out. >> harris: i think to some degree that's always been true in terms of victim speaking up and having to keep things in the forefront, both in their own personal advocacy with the investigators but also in the public eye. i thought, brand, we were going down a course -- suffolk county, massachusetts was going to be talking with one of the victims? they would have their own docket and timetable. suit will up again anyway. >> katie: i will get even. nbc is reporting -- this is not a reporting but this is out there -- that the virginia assembly is now asking and inviting justin fairfax and dr. tyson to come and testify about this situation. back to you. >> brian: good, [laughs] that should be happening. the question was, wasn't it happening because market seems like a double standard.

this point about having to keep your story in the news -- smollett didn't have to work that hard to keep it in the new news. that's my point. some people don't have to -- depending on how the issue is framed. sometimes an alleged victim doesn't have to work that hard. it's to the detriment, again come of the potential real victims here. >> katie: i want to get to the second part of the segment, which is ralph northam, the governor of virginia, going on this policy to her getting pushed back about what his intentions are and whether or not he should be going around to black audiences and trying to -- >> harris: it's complicated for him. when we first learned about blackface and we were not sure whether or not he was wearing the hood or if he was in the blackface, we don't really know -- when all those came up and he said, "i did and it was really sick's shoe polish i would use." and then he told us how to do it. there's a lot of things with that and then you're going on in apology tour. he had already apologized and then took back the apology

because he said, "that wasn't actually me." and if it was, it's not clear if he's in the shoe polish where the hood. this afield from, "is this what you want your leadership to look like in the commonwealth of virginia?" moser brings up a excellent point. if you can wait it out and get far afield of actual critical issues, can you win that p.r.? i don't know. >> katie: we will have to wait and see. moving on, a conservative agassi group targeting rising democratic star congressman acosta cortez in a billboard battle over the headquarters of amazon deal. we will find next. ♪ ... to give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you don't. (straining) i'll take that. (cheers) 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar. ensure max protein. in two great flavors. stop fearing your alarm clock... with zzzquil pure zzzs. a drug-free blend of botanicals with melatonin

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♪ >> jessica: a conservative advocacy group heading back in new york congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez with two new billboards in times square. the new signs, which are gone now, poked fun at the freshman lawmaker for a tweet questioning the $4,000 price tag of the group's first billboard. that sign accused of causing a cortez of costing new york city thousands of jobs and billions in annual wages by deposing unsealed to build a headquarters in queens. she eventually scuttled those plans. the billboards -- which i found

kind of funny -- [laughter] i do think, we should know there are a lot of democrats were upset about this. maloney, gregory needs. this is not a democrats versus republicans issue. when conservatives come off afr aoc, she always comes out stronger. >> harris: i don't know about that. [laughter] >> brian: whether or not she comes up stronger, gives her an opportunity to come out with something. this is oxygen her world. if you really want to make a difference with her, you don't give her an opening like this. you go after the policy and those who might be interested in pursuing it. in other ways. this is an invitation for her to get the press to those. >> harris: that's brilliant, what you just said. she is still a newcomer. what does she want? she wants that oxygen in the room so she can speak. i'm not convinced that it really hurts her as much as other people think, because she is speaking with a bully pulpit at that moment.

>> jessica: that's a position aa fighter, she has a counterpunch. impair or reduce agree with her -- you're probably not when pay attention to this, but if you agree, you will say, "yes, that's the fight or a love." >> melissa: i disagree, because every time she opens her mouth on this particular issue what immediately follows is, "you cost new york people $4 billion in lost salaries." you can talk about whatever the taxable occasions where for the company of amazon, but you called these jobs scraps that were an average of $150,000 per person. i think every time you bring this up, the billboard -- they put out there -- if you look at it, it says, "this billboard cost $4,000. you cost $4 billion in annual lost wages. 25,000 jobs." when he put up those numbers, and she exposes herself to the ignorant on the numbers, to not understand that those were

good jobs for her constituents. it just brings -- i think of this particular issue, every time it comes back it hurts her. >> harris: crumbs. >> jessica: it's worse than crumbs. katie, aoc -- i think it was 16,000 people that voted in the primary that got her head. do you think they are bothered by what happened? or do they see her as a fighter for them and for queens and the bronx? >> katie: i talked to to a coue who live in their district and they are upset about it. they weren't planning on working and i but they're open for some gentrification, for new businesses to come in, for the real estate prices as owners to go up. there are all of these outside consequences to amazon leaving, and i agree with melissa on the specific issue. you have to hold her accountable for actions and realize these other big federal programs that she is pushing on the rest of the country will have the same or worse consequences as amazon pulling out of new york. at the same time i feel like giving her all this attention does feed the beast in profiling

all of the things that she is saying that actually don't make a lot of sense. 25 it was also state senators that killed this. aoc has become the face for this because there were a number of -- >> melissa: she wants to credit. if you look deeper down in this story, as the other politicians that weren't in that district who felt like they weren't getting their beaks wet. that they weren't getting enough from this deal. they sort of sabotage the whole thing because they just felt like they were at the trough trying to -- >> katie: conservatives and democrats agree it was a bad idea. the >> jessica: they do. and jeff bezos released a letter internally where he said he wanted to think de blasio and cuomo to be with them. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. natural cheese. made with fresh milk without the added hormone rbst. it's cheese as it should be.

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in the next hour. we are back here on the couch on monday, but here's harris. >> harris: a new develop and right now, fox news alert, we are awaiting president trump's meeting with the chinese vice premier at the white house this next hour. the president's sitting down with him to strike a deal to end a long-running trade dispute between the world's two largest economies. i'm harris faulkner on this friday, let's go "outnumbered overtime." high-level talks going on as both sides tried to reach that agreement ahead of a march 1st deadline that could see tariffs increased on chinese imports from ten to 25%. the pressure is on. this "wall street journal" headline caught our eye. u.s. bets on china 'special envoy in trade talks. the article begins, "as u.s.-china trade talks reach a pivotal point, the president's administration's counting on the chinese leaders special envoy to get beijing to