korea yarn leader kim jong un. stay tuned for that next week. thank you for watching. we will seetu you monday from hanoi in vietnam. thanks for being with us. >> laura: hey, everybody, i'm laura ingraham. this is "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight. some jussie smollett apologist are now excusing his bad behavior. you knew that was going to happen, but i guess it don't matter as long as you are't morally right, i mean left. more on that in just a moment, but. plus, we countdown the most outrageous moments from the media, mollie hemingway will be here to dissect that for us. individual i.c.e. agents are being sued by illegal aliens and liberal advocacy groups. you cannot make this up. just for doing their jobs.be and, a former agent is here u to sound off and is he mad. but, first, rage versus results.

the great democrat freak out. that is the focus of tonight's "angle". >> being a liberal means never having to say you're sorry. an overstatement? well, maybe. but, given some of the more recent politically inspired acts of vandalism and violence and defamation and libel, it is closer to the truth than not. ten years ago or even five years ago, it would have been unthinkable that major political and media figures would bend over backwards to excuse criminal behavior because they p agreed with the perpetrators political motivation.. yet, in this age of rage, this happens all too frequently. >> didn't jussie complete the two? didn't he, in fact, attempt to paint maga supporters as these racists and homophobic people? >> i have to disagree with you. michelle, i have to respectfullh disagree.

i think maga supporters have painted themselves as that. >> laura: okay, on the jussie smollett case all at once depressing and enlightening. the most depressing because so many seem positively giddy, they were thrilled that a hate crime like that would have happened. finally, they could draw a direct line from the support for trump to support for almost a lynching. you had a noose, you had a racial and anti-gay slur. it was politically perfect story line that pushed all the rightin anti-trump buttons.d >> a hollywood star who is black and gay, and now the victim of a heinous crime. >> the racial slurs and maybe even some of the homophobic slurs being used toward him, you can see how serious this crime is right now. >> absolutely despicable. this is america in 2019. >> laura: now, even when you see the entire thing was a sick charade, the race hustlers remained undaunted. >> interesting when you use hatred and bigotry and lying for your own selfish end and you're

a young, black kid, a young, gay black kid, you get indicted. if you do it when you are an old white guy, you become president. and i think there are enough monsters out there for real that we don't have to make any up. and i think that, you know, that white supremacist has never been at a historical high. >> laura: and i will focus on that last line for just a minute. white supremacy in 2019 is worse than it was, let's say, in 1963 in birmingham, alabama? when water cannons and dogs were released on civil rights marchers and when children were blown up in churches? trump-hating comedians, undeterred by actual facts, are suddenly aggressively unfunny.um comedian billy eichner saying, "if it turns out the attack was staged, that is disgusting, but don't give me any b.s. about maga supporters being the victim here. a bunch of white supremacists falsely accused of inspiring a crime are still a bunch of white

supremacists. they poisoned the soul of our country and of the world and the crimes against humanity will be felt long after we've forgotten about jussie smollett." crimes against humanity? okay, like what? policies that grow the economy and spur wage and job growth across the board including for african-americans? that crime against humanity? or the crime against humanity creating opportunity zones in some of our most debilitated communities? or, is it the crime of criminal justice reform that is a crime against humanity? do you see what i'm saying? it is patently ridiculous. but, this is all very enlightening, is it not? this is what is really happening. trump's policies are actually working. we see it all around us. the mueller report, it looks like it's going to be a dud, and liberal heroes are self

combusting before our very eyes so the democrat projectorate are in total freak-out mode. let's look back. their kavanaugh accuser blasey ford flamed out. their indigenous 2020 hopeful elizabeth warren was knocked off her high horse. virginia's democrat leaders are tangled up black face and me too scandals. and now, with smollett, their dream of the perfect trumpet-inspired hate crime has also fizzled. so now, we are back to donald trump being hitler, paul pot and stalin all rolled into one, that is the best they have. and while they mouth the requisite, if jussie did it and this is wrong, well, they quickly then revert to their tired old narrative that today minorities should live in fear. comedian hari kondabolu tweeting, "what jussie smollett is accused of is despicable, inhowever, don't forget that we

believed he was the victim of dsuch horrendous hate crime because it's the type of thing that happens way too often, especially into trump era. he may have taken advantage of a very realistic fear." and, the queen of racial fear-mongering, mad maxine waters, she freely admits she believes jussie's ridiculous story because his views checked all the liberal boxes. >> he is a friend. he was at my office. we marched in a pride parade together. he introduced me at black girls rock, and so, i believed him when i heard about it. >> laura: well, if congresswoman waters wanted to learn something, she might try to engage with black americans who see this all very differently.ig they are not looking to blame trump or conservatives for all of their woes past or present. what they are looking for are real solutions and real hope.

>> every citizen alive today and generations yet unborn are forever in debt of the brave souls whose stared down injustice and championed the eternal cause of civil rights. and, by the way, as you've been hearing me say, african-american unemployment is at an all-time low, historic low. [cheering and applause] >> laura: while the scene last night at the white house is part of what inspires the ongoing democrat freak-out. the real possibility that president trump at the black history month celebration, it was oversubscribed, had more than 300 people, people couldn't even get in, that may be, just maybe, donald trump could peel off 5%, maybe even 10% more of the black vote in 2020. that is unnerving to the left.ma but, there is a new movement emerging. >> i really don't even understand why so many people hate black people, people that

look like me and him, hate this president.o because this man has done more than any other president has done for people that look like me and him. >> i always say, don't get caught up in the emotions. >> laura: what about the s-hole countries comment, and what about, you know, well, it's always --- >> it's emotional and that don't pay the bills. that don't build businesses. that doesn't do anything except keep this junk going that has no substance in black america. >> laura: well, the democrats race-baiting and the fear-mongering, it will only go so far. but, if they keep it up, emotionally worn out african-american voters may do what democrats fear most: tune them out and focus on trump's record of trump's accomplishment in their communities. and that's the "the angle." joining me now with reaction, two men who were at the white house event with president trump last night. pastor mark burns and pastor darrell scott, along with ari fleischer, former white house press secretary and a fox news contributor.ht pastor burns, i'm going to start with you. the narrative in the wake of

this case is already set, right, it's he may have lied but trump is still a racist.ak so your reaction to the events of just the past week and the fact that the president got virtually no coverage of what,th by all accounts, was an amazing event last night. >> mark: it was absolutely an amazing event, yes. the left has already created a narrative of racism and division, and they're going to stay there. listen, i said it and i will say it on your show. it is people like jussie smollett is the reason why, one of the reasons why our nation is so racially divided and what the president has done more for black americans than any other president in the history of the presidency. people like jussie smollett andc the left, because that is theid only thing that they can sell is to keep black people on their side is to keep using fear, racism and division. now, they're trying to make

jussie the victim, when in reality, you know, he belongs in jail. he is the reason why blacks are hating whites and whites are hating blacks. when, in reality, we have b a sitting president, just like he showed yesterday at the white house, that is doing way more for black americans and people of color in the history of the presidency of the united states of america. it is foolish, it is preposterous and it's got to quit. matter of fact, black people are getting tired of hearing the same old racism. >> laura: it's a nightmare for them. i want to go to to pastor scottl in hear. because, look around you. these policies are working. people might not like every tweeter or be upset about this comment or that comment over the the past two and half, three years, but the policies, pastor, are working. and, it is stunning.htee o

it's like people don't want to take yes for an answer because of the politics, pastor. >> darrell: i think this country is more politically divided than it is racially divided, but the political divide is hiding behind -- the left is hiding behind race toth fuel this political divide. the truth of the matter is, the left hasn't had anything to be outraged over in a long time. and, so, you know, they can't get outraged over criminal justice reform, they can't get outraged over prison reform. they can't get outraged over low unemployment and historic levels of unemployment for african-americans. they can't get outraged over the opportunity zone act and urban revitalization. so, they have to either dig up something old or try to manufacture something new. because they need this outrage to fuel their base so they can try to unseat this president. they are even outraged over mueller now that hasn't even come out yet. they are mad about it. they are ready to indict muellet now because mueller is not siding with them.. it's crazy. it's ridiculous. >> laura: that is funny, that is a good line.

ari, what can the white house do to get this message out to a wider public? because i was watching this thing, the raw feed last night of this event, and it was oversubscribed. the first year it was a little harder to get a huge crowd, but now it's oversubscribed because people are seeing the fruits of what trumps economic policies are actually accomplishing for all americans, especially the most underprivileged in the blue-collar middle class. so what can the white house do? >> the white house is already doing it and doing it right.mi when the president repeatedly says african-american unemployment, a historic low, hispanic employment, historic low. they are delivering a message people want to hear because it's relevant to their lives. and the more he surrounds himself with black audiences, talks to people and invites people in as inclusive, the more he has a chance of having that message reallyth reverberate.la. >> laura: but the media doesn't

want to say it, ari. >> that is okay. >> laura: the media doesn't want to report it. this was a huge crowd he had last night. >> we always know that about the media. the word will get around. there is another way around the media today.ro you nailed it when you said the democrats' worst fear is that he does better with blacks. republicans typically lose the black vote 90-10. if republicans, donald trump loses it 85-15 or even 80-20, do you realize that will likely shut the democrats out of the whiteld house permanently if republicans can make those kind of in-roads into the historically overwhelmingly democratic black community? huge in-roads. and because of the strengthen the economy, trump can do it. more events, more events, more events. >> laura: more outrage, go into areas even if they're threatened against going into those areas, like chicago during the campaign. all right, pastor burns and all of you, because no one else has played this, i want to play more from what happened last night's black history month celebration at the white house, especially stme of the more -- the poignant moments, powerful moments that came from the african-american

supporters of what president trump's policies are doing. let's watch. >> i just want to thank the president and everybody that worked so hard, jerry, for working so hard on this prison reform, first step act. because, if it wasn't for them, i wouldn't be standing before you all today with my daughter and my granddaughter. >> i just want to thank god and also president trump for turning the tables over in the temples and attacking the status quo that is hostile to the interest of poor people. and to giving low-income people an opportunity to help themselves. that is all they want. they want an opportunity to achieve. >> laura: pastor burns, i was watching this and pastor scott was there, as well.. i got teared up. i mean, it was beautiful. and i know people will say, you

just like trump. no, no, that was a beautiful moment in a time where race relations, we'll put up a graphic, race relations are going in the wrong direction here. i want to show everybody this. blacks and whites, do you think race relations were very good or somewhat good. and in 2013 blacks said 66% thought they were very good. okay? a by 2016, the end of obama's term, it was down to 49%. in 2018, it's down to 40%, the he's doing better among whites with race relations question. but, who is to blame for this, pastor burns? >> mark: well, it's clearly not president trump. but, the fact of the matter is, president trump has done absolutely amazing by people of color, african-americans in this nation. president trump has helped the hbcus, president trump has created opportunity zones. president trump is putting money the money in the most geographical urban areas that is

helping create jobs for black people in this country. president trump is creating the first step act. president trump is overly, overly showing that he is going to be and is the most supportive president of black americans in this country. he said it from day one, back in 2015, that he was going to be the most, most supportive, mosts active, most for black americans in this nation. >> laura: he said, what do you have to lose? >> and he's proving just that. >> laura: remember that, pastor scott, what do you have to lose? >> mark: absolutely. i was on the plane. what he said to me, he looked at me and said, what do you think? you know, what the "h" do you d have to lose? but, me being a pastor, i said, mr. trump, i won't want to say "h," but what do you got to lose, right? [laughter] >> laura: for pastor scott, i want to read from the tribune because as the smollett story collapsed and there's so many hate crimes that are originally thought to be true, then they turn out not to be true, not that there aren't hate o crimes because there are and they

should be prosecuted, but when the jussie smollette case kind f starts collapsing, this is what columnists for the "chicago tribune" is writing. this is dahleen glanton. "just because one person lied about a racist and homophobic incident does not let all bigots off of the hook. there are real victims here, and these angry trump supportersy contend although they help to put so-called bigot in chief in the white house, they insist they are being unfairly blamed for being forcing america down treacherous and agonizing road of intolerance."t so it is kind of like heads they win, tails we lose. >> darrell: you know what, where did this angry trump supporter narrative come from? >> laura: i'm in a great mood. >> darrell: we are not angry, we're glad. our man we won the election. we are having rallies.we're puts in. it is a good time for trump supporters. the left is the angry crowd. the left ones the ones that are rioting. rioting throughout the 2016 campaign. they are the ones resisting, opposition, and maxine waters,

she is angry. everybody is so angry, they need to take a chill pill and sit back and enjoy this ride. because this president is not only -- listen, as far as black history is concerned, he is not just celebrating black history but president trump is making black history. he is doing historic things in the black community that no other president has ever done. i have lived through 12 presidents. i was born during eisenhower's administration. 1 i said it before, i repeat it again. he's the most pro-black in the sense of proactive instead of reactive he's the most pro-black president, proactive president towards the black community in my lifetime. i said it and i repeat it. >> laura: wow, i hope every young african-american in this country, or it doesn't matter if you are young, i guess, here is what we are talking about tonight. and this makes me so happy. i said this last night. the democrats seem to have a dark and ominous, pessimistic view of the world right now. the country is a racist country, it's anti-immigrants, all very negative. trump is like, i'm impatient for

results, i want this to get better and better. i find the optimism is on his side, and the pessimism is on the other side. is that accurate? do you agree? and then i have to ask you something about mueller but o just quickly on that. >> 100%, and if you want proof of it, just look at what joe biden said in 2012 race when he said republicans want to put you all back in chains, he said to an african-american group. think about that. desperate to win, and if anybody disagrees with their ideology as being proslavery. that is with a sitting vice president did. remember, laura, they accused george w. bush of being a racist, and they ran ads against him. they accused mccain, and they accused romney, trump and whoever follows trump. it is their formula, playbook even if they have no facts behind it. >> laura: mueller's report not out next week, ari, and news broke late today, maybe the week after. advice to the administration going over to vietnam, the big summit, but what should they say?

>> i'm surprised everybody is trying to say this will show there is no collusion. that it is better for trump than people thought.o s i never seen going into something like this where you play up your expectations, but that is what they are doing. i don't think anybody knows what will be in that report so my advice is to keep your mouthdy shut, your powder dry, and be ready. >> laura: gentlemen, thank you so much. fantastic conversation, as always. and who was the biggest media offenders over the past few days? a long list. hemingway and lloyd react to the biggest low life of the week. it is going to be fun.

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check in from afar with remote access, and have professional monitoring backing you up with xfinity home. demo in an xfinity store. call, or go online today. >> laura: the dominant liberal media really says some wacky things, we all know that, but this week, they have taken it to a whole new low level. and we will play you some of the more outrageous examples just because it is friday. joining me to have jeffrey lord, former cnn commentator, contributing editor for american spectator and author of forthcoming book "swamp wars" and fox news contributor mollie hemingway. let's begin with the reaction to the biggest story of the wake of course, the smollett saga. here is zerlina maxwell from msnbc patting herself on the back for believing jussie. >> the point that, you know, folks are saying you should be feel stupid for believing him or

somehow you jump to conclusion, which is not what is happening. i feel bad for the people who did not default to that empathy and think this is a game and are gloating today. these are the people that have something fundamentally wrong with them. >> laura: okay, so i just want to point out, mollie, that this is after he was charged. >> mollie: you absolutely should be empathetic towards actual victims of crimes, but reporters have an obligation to be skeptical. there's the old adage, if youre: mother says she loves you, check it out. in this case, there were many reasons why the story should not have been believed from the outset and there was no evidence to support it. so this is just journalism. >> laura: jeff, were you amazed how quickly the response became, yes, if what he did he did is despicable but trump people are racist are racist anyways. were you surprised at how quickly they reverted back to trashing the trump supporters, or no? >> not in the least, and, frankly, i think that is one of the reasons behind what happened

in the first place. i mean, if you are going to do a phony crime, you could have picked any number of people who attacked you. specifically, trump supporters were picked. i would suggest that they were picked because he knew thehe reaction from the media would be exactly what it was. they would believe him instantaneously and blame the president himself and blame his supporters. and i think there are a lot of people out there that are just t utterly sick of this. after this, after the covington situation, after the buzzfeed story. over and over and over again, it's the same old thing. and i can tell you people out there, i gave the talk last night and i mentioned this lawsuit for the covington ielpl attorney there for nick sandmann.lk all of a sudden, i said they sued "the washington post" for $250 million, the entire audience spontaneously burst into a thunderous applause. they have had it to the max. >> laura: yeah, litigation doesn't die in the darkness, apparently.. here is the next example, guys.

let's check in with zach stafford, the editor and chief of the etiquette, a gay publication, yesterday suggesting that smollett did not make this all up, it was the police who framed him. >> to have a police department who hasn't been as cooperative as they've been this round, dono openlily, do "mishold" information and did actively support president trump in the election, the love of activists are saying, wait, what is going on here? >> laura: a lot of activists. some say, some say donald trump apparently is pulling all the strings. >> mollie: the thing is funny how they go back and forth whether to trust cops or not. it is actually true he has not been charged and you have to make the case, but this is something that you don't see skepticism when it is about the fbi investigating anyone who has anything to do with the trump campaign. there is just a complete fealty to the fbi in that case, but. >> laura: jeff, i'm watchingdo

this, and i'm thinking, do they actually understand, just how to be charitable, silly they look? i mean, you look just silly. the guy had two nigerian brothers buying rope and buying red hats and buying gloves on camera, okay, and apparently, writren checks. that's brilliant, writing a check. and we're still questioning, itc was the cops forced them to buy the stuff at the local hardware store, craziness. >> jeffrey: that is right, it is crazy. and i have come toto the conclusion there is a lot of crazy people on the american left. but one of the serious things here, laura, the most angry voice about all of this yesterday was the police commissioner, police superintendent eddie johnson in chicago who is an african-american. he was really angry. and, then, they are now going to try to say, what, he is trying

to cover something up or he's a secret trump supporter? this is nonsense. this is nonsense on stilts. i thought, frankly, the police superintendent gave a superbte statement just in general about all of this kind of thing and how damaging it has been. >> laura: real victims of crime. and the focus should be on the real victims of crime, not on fake crimes, which are completely choreographed for political purposes or career purposes. all right, let's move on to late night. stephen colbert finally, finally called out smollett just last night. let's watch. >> this story unfolds race,mo sexuality, politics and violence so i need to tread very lightly here and simply say, what a [bleep]. smollett cast himself as a fake national symbol for a real racial and political divide. >> laura: mollie, somehow he failed to address his guest, actress ellen page's comments earlier this month accusing trump and vice president pence of inciting violence against

gay people.le >> it is so interesting to me -- >> laura: where is ellen page, by the way, has she even spoken out? >> she needs to address it. what she said it is deplorable. >> mollie: this story ran because of who we were told were the aggressors. >> laura: maga hat, and a guy targeting him because he was black and gay.that's the trifece left. >> and we don't have those details, and that significance was of him saying this is who attacked him. it is a very important part of the story and why the story was such a big deal in addition to being a celebrity and to ignore that part of the story as colbert did is inappropriate. >> laura: jeffrey, really quick, the idea of a noose around someone's neck, boy, that takes us right back to the precivil rights south and horrific acts of violence being committed against black americans. you are a young kid and you see a guy, celebrity, has a noose around his neck, what does that make you feel? think about what that does to the minds of the young people in

this country. that struck me last night especially. >> jeffrey: exactly. it is terribly ugly.me and as someone who is old enough to remember this in real time and remember the civil rights and the fire hoses and the police dogs, this was a terrible, terrible thing. and the symbolism of that was just disgusting, and it ought to make people furious.ib stephen colbert ought to have ellen page back on his show and she ought to apologize. but, i don't think that will happpen. >> laura: ol jeff, no. she is vitriolically anti-trump, and i don't think she will apologized. i would be shocked if she did. jeff and mollie, thanks so much. up next, at least one illegal alien, with the help of advocacy groups, has filed a lawsuit against individual federal immigration officers for treatment during a worksitedu raid, poor babies, but were the agents just doing their job? a retired ice special agent has something to say. don't miss it.

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"the ingraham angle." >> laura: immigration advocacy groups have filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of more than 100 workers detained during a raid at a tennessee meat packing plant last year. at least one of the plaintiffs is illegal but many suspect as well. and nine federal officials and gets this, 30 unnamed i.c.e. agents claiming that workers were targeted saying, in part, "the officer's goal that day was far more extensive than what the search warrant authorized. they plan to detain and arrest every worker and the plaintiff who was were appeared to be latino." me they retired special agent of ice, claude arnold, explain for the audience who might find this disturbing, these allegations, why, in your view, this raid was not outside standard operating procedures. >> quad: factually, it wasn't. this is another tactic from the

left to resist the immigration enforcement of the trump administration. this is a frivolous lawsuit, the purpose of which is to deter any individual i.c.e. agents from doing their jobs. and i say that because you will notice that they are being sued in individual capacities. the government, they are being sued in individual capacities and there were things done very unorthodox in relation to this lawsuit like researching home addresses and serving them with lawsuits at their home addresses. these are all intimidation tactics. normally, when an agent get sued it is and served upon government counsel and government office. >> laura: so it is >> laura: so it is intimidating, claude, i

understand intimidating people from becoming i.c.e. agents in the first place? >> claude: actual i.c.e. agents from doing their jobs, for arresting illegal immigrants. >> laura: they make $60,000 a year about, $60,000, that is not nothing but it's okay. putting their lives at risk. and now they are calling racist, sexist, you're being unfair. i think a lot of people would be thinking of themselves that they would do something else. >> claude: right, exactly and here is the other part. so the affiant on the search warrant was not even an i.c.e. agent but it was an irs speciali agent. the investigation was predicated upon suspicious activity reports. it was a financial investigation. now, the motivation, part of the financial scheme and pulled the employment of illegal aliens so of course, i.c.e. agent and ice involved but anticipated the possibility they would encounter illegal aliens at the plant which is why ice was involved. and, of course, they are

their suspicions were proven correct but they were executing criminal federal search warrant signed by a federal judge and i don't care if they are doing search warrants for drugs, for financial violations, whatever, use secure the location, you detain all occupants of theloca. >> laura: this is how it works. >> claude: in doing so they deter and guess what these people are here illegally.so yo. >> laura: obama's ice never did any of this, by the way.ti obama never did any of this. >> claude: obama did not do these, but they were then under the obama administration with the exception that ice given specific instructions but try not to arrest as many illegal aliens or to arrest illegal aliens.ys >> laura: you people, mean, mean, mean. thanks for the analysis there. attorneys say it is the first lawsuit filed against larger scale work site that was conducted by the trump administration, but i don't remember, again, anger by the same advocacy groups for many of

the obama-era raids. when obama took office, ice rates from 503 to 2008 to more than 8,000 in 2009. you tell me that these lawsuits are not politically motivated? here now art arthur, immigration studies and immigration, as just explain, this is not illegalur immigration raid. this was authorized according to the facts that they had mostly like the financial crimesmohe involved. this kind of what you do. we see problems on site and we have to see what's going on. >> the problem is, is how they do it, latinos, immigrants and their commit legal immigrants and people with papers and they are there. why were they not considered, why were they speaking spanish, if victims of any kind of aabus.

that's not what happened. they raided the place, they put them in handcuffs, push themt and shove them and insult them, and racial slurs so why do we do it this way? >> laura: so some of the concerns would be that there isa a lot of, this is an active factory processing center, lots and lots of knives and implements. i'm sure if they are right about all the stops. i'm sure i don't carry out these rates but you don't give them a subscription of a magazine ands? what else would you like, a blanket? >> art: but this is thetu situation where i think the facts are disputed. and in san francisco for the state of california. this is completely from what has

alleged, completely the opposite way that these auditors carried out. you have reasonable suspicion to stop somebody. you actually need a confession or strong evidence to actually make an arrest of illegal alien in of the united states and f quite frankly i find the facts to be a little bit concerning and i don't necessarily believe the facts. it will come out in court but the other thing is, there is plainly officer security issue for the reasons that you stated. this is a meat packing plant that got cited for a number ofap violations. i believe they are after. so quite frankly anything could have happened. they had to control the situation and do their jobs. >> laura: what do you you do in a situation like this? you have a lot of latinoou workers. you probably have some non-latino workers. what do you do? you can see on the surface the more you just pulling, questioning latino guys over here, gals or whatever they may be where questioning all people and stopping all people? that will be key to this case because otherwise it will look like but, profiling, illegal because you are latino which is not cool, that is not a cool thing. >> gunther: iat agree with tha. why not come in like normal

people? every time they raid a place, it has to be a valid situation. why can't you come in as a person, and ask everybody for their names, their documents and their identification? but never a case to raid a place where latinos and you find guns. latinos go out the door, guns blazing. that doesn't happen. there is always a peaceful situation, a peaceful arrest. whatever time you come in, violent. >> laura: i hear what you are saying, but i think it is also the case we want everything to be this perfect deal, a perfect situation where everybody willnt be a good actor and there will be no problems. but, if you are one of those officers going into one of these plants, you've probably haveak seen a lot in your day, i would imagine. i'm trying to put myself in their shoes. i think we should blame the employers, frankly, here. e-verify should be the law of the land and if you violate e-verify, sanctions should be so onerous on you that you either shut down for a while or, you

know, you are shut down, period. that is where it should be. the workers, you have to be able to work, but the owners of these business are unscrupulous completely. >> art: none of these audits, these raids, if you want to call them, would be necessary if we had e-verify, e-verify a web system that in real time can identify the employment. >> laura: why don't we want it, when i say we, why doesn't the chamber of commerce want e-verify? >> art: because they want the workers. >> laura: they want cheap workers, they want to kick downward pressure on wages, and they don't want to see rising wages for americans. and they are all worried by the way that wages are going up. i've never seen anything like it, wages are going up and we have to do something about it, what? do we want to be in an economy where wages to rise for the lower and middle class workers? that is what i grew up on. wages and the blue-collar people are so important. >> art: that is a critical point to make. >> laura: the wages should be

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>> that's not true. >> i know. ip joke about it and half joke, my family is from jamaica are kidding me? [laughter] >> have you ever smoked? >> i have. and i inhale. i did inhale. [laughter] >> laura: there is that laugh again. well, that was democratic presidential hopeful, kamala harris, citing her jamaican roots when she was asked about legalizing marijuana and why she smoked marijuana in the past.ga but, her jamaican-born dad, donald harris, he's is not laughing. he is saying "my dear departed grandmother and my deceased parents must be turning in their grave right now to see their family's name, reputation and proud jamaican identity connected in any way to the fraudulent stereotype of the pot smoking joy seeker and in the pursuit of identity politics." awkward. family aside, kamala harris tapping into their wide acceptance of marijuana in the

country and thinks she will get political juice from embracing it. more stakes and more politicians to line their pockets with the marijuana legalization.th joining me, alex berenson, i had you watch the podcast a couple of weeks ago. i got a huge reaction a former "new york times" reporter and author revenue book, tell your children the truth about marijuana, mental illness and violence. alex, people think "new york times" reporter, former, current, it doesn't matter but why would he write a book about the dangers of marijuana. why the heck did you? >> alex: it was really my wife who encouraged me to write the book. she is a psychiatrist and deals with criminally mentally ill and she would come home from her job at a forensic hospital which is where they send the criminally insane and she would tell me case after case where people committed horrible crimes whoo were schizophrenic after years of using. and you know, in my grand knowledge, i would say, that

sounds like reefer madness, that is not true, that can't be real. and she is the one who trained at harvard and sees these people every day. she said, you know what, maybe you should look at the studies l yourself. and, when i did, i was shockedt at the science, showing marijuana is linked to mental illness. it is linked to psychosis and then psychosis, which is a breao crime. laura: alex, i'm thinking like john boehner former speaker of. the house. now, he was staunchly against marijuana legalization, and i see him talking a year or so ago, suddenly it is a big switcheroo from boehner. let's watch what he says. >> it's time for the federal government to take another look at this. and i think descheduling this drug can allow for research and would be very helpful to the d american people. >> laura: what is also helpful, he's a pot advisory board member

on one of these big marijuana companies. i would imagine he's getting paid.ut i don't know for a fact but i cannot imagine he switching his position for nothing. >> alex: he is also a smoker. so. you know what, here's the thing. if we are going to legalize this drug and say you know what, this is a dangerous recreational cigarettes are legal, alcohol is legal and people can go gamble their house away, we think marijuana fits in that category and we will warn people and let them make their own m choices, so be it. i don't think that is the right choice, but so be it. let's not pretend this is medically necessary for people and let's really not pretend this is a good idea for teenagers, that this is a good idea for people whose brains are developing and a good idea for people who have psychiatric conditions from anxiety or depression. let's be honest about the risks. tell your children because i want people to have those conversations with their kids. i want people in their 20s who might be using and seeingr psychiatric side effects that they did not expect feeling weirdly more depressed or having weird thoughts. to have some idea, you know what, this is not, this is not a

benign drug. there is a load to this high. >> laura: well, and i would also remind everybody, just because alcohol is bad and other drugs are bad doesn't mean this is good. >> alex: that it is exactly right. >> laura: alcohol is bad, yeah, so we need another thing to screw up young people. i've got to say, i find it so absurd, there is no medical peer-reviewed research and just quickly, alex, that demonstrates a medical benefit to pot. am i right about that? >> alex: there are very narrow conditions where it has been shown to do good and cbd, narrow conditions where proven to do good, but for the most part, you are right. the left has done a fantastic job of confusing people about this, and frankly, my old boss, my old employer, the "new york times," the "washington post,"

not pushed back on this. >> laura: alex, we will keep on this, thank you for joining us in writing this book. up next, you don't want to miss it. .. ♪

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