it'll be very exciting to have them on the ground there. great to have you here this morning. >> eric: a big week coming up. >> sandra: a big day, a big morning, a big week. thanks for joining us. we will see her tomorrow mornin morning. "outnumbered" starts now. >> harris: fox news alert on a busy monday, president trump taking on his critics and outlining his hopes for his second face-to-face meeting with north korean chairman kim jong un. the president set it apart the white house at any moment now, en route to a high-stakes summit in vietnam. you're watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis -- host of cavity on the fox business network, kennedy herself. fox news contributor jessica tarlov jessica tarlov, joining us in the center seat, chris wilson is here. republican strategist and former poster for the ted cruz campaign. when i got all enthusiastic just then, you look like i had pronounced her name right! [laughter] >> kennedy: traditional position. >> harris: are you ready to

jump in? let's get to it. during a gathering at the white house, the president sounded optimistic that the north korean regime is willing to give up its nuclear weapons. watch. >> we talk about something that frankly he never spoke to anybody about, but we are speaking and we think we can have a very good summit. i think we will have a very tremendous summit. we want denuclearization, and i think we will have a country that set a lot of records for speed in terms of an economy. >> harris: yesterday, secretary of state mike pompeo insisted president trump will not repeat mistakes of the past in drawing a stark contrast with the policy of the obama administration. >> test, pray, and cowher has been upended by president trump. we put real economic pressure on the north koreans. we have built out a global coalition. one of the critique is that we go it alone. we have built up the world's coalition to communicate to chairman kim that now is the time, and i was the moment. i hope we will make real

progress on that this week. >> harris: but democratic senator ed markey says there's a risk that kim jong un will seek to extract confessions from the president without giving anything up by himself. watch it. >> kim wants to have a personal meeting with trump, with hopes that he can, in fact, illicit confessions that might not be possible if it was just diplomats talking one-on-one. >> i think has to be very careful. >> harris: meanwhile, a former cia officer officer involved in high-level diplomacy with north korea talked on friday about an alleged conversation between secretary pompeo and kim jong un during pompeo's visit to north korea last april. the former cia officer is claiming that kim jong un privately told pompeo that he did not want his children to live with the burden of nuclear weapons. we bring it out to the couch. chris, what with the significance of that be in terms of what we are trying to accomplish?

>> chris: we are in the same generation of failed diplomacy advocates, they now criticize with the president is doing. it's a little bit tiresome to hear. what donald trump has been able to accomplish in a short period of time with his aggressive brand of diplomacy is more than they added their entire time under president obama. when beth back to less generation. whether you can achieve anything or its complete disquisition remains to be seen. frankly, it would be remarkable, because the kims don't care about anything except holding onto power. if they are able to take it a step further toward true denuclearization, what they have already compass is significant that category. it's frustrating for me to hear. markey point or less of the world continue to love criticism bombs. we have moved forward. >> harris: what you make of this suppose a conversation? none of us was in the room, so we can't quantify it. so that leaders north korea didn't see his kids grow up in a world where nukes are?

>> chris: and with these encouraging. if you have north korean leaders recognizing that the way in which the country has been developing come of the fact that they were continuing to test nuclear weapons, it probably doesn't bode well for the future of their children. their children's future, growing up in a world that is nuclear-free, that is positive. it means there is at least the opportunity for us to be successful and achieve a denuclearize to korean peninsula. >> harris: i thought it was interesting that was put this weight -- test, pray, and cowher is how we have seen the other side deal with it. >> kennedy: i think that was a progression throw varies in sad administrations, starting with bill clinton who set just a horrible tone for diplomacy with north korea. president obama said when he left office that it was the gravest threat posed to the united states into the world, the denuclearize to north korea. i think the fast is a nutritionist taken a completely different task is better for the united states in bed for peace. kim jong un talking about how he doesn't want his kids and

trapped further in a world where they are held hostage by the necessity for nuclear weapons -- i think the harder task -- do nuclear fission is one thing previous, it's difficult, it takes a a great deal of diplom, and what's harder is freeing those people. perhaps millions of people enslaved in labor camps in north korea, and really allowing a level of freedom. >> harris: he's got hardliners within his own country. and they off people who don't agree with them. >> kennedy: to cause a revolution from within, if people get a taste of freedom -- we are not just talking about people expressing economic and ability. people truly being held against their will. some of the most dire circumstances on earth. >> harris: when you pick places like singapore and hanoi to let some of the leadership -- even for them, they are coming to it in trades with no windows. so they really don't have any freedom, technically. but not like we were talking about with those people. the president treated this

today -- some funny to watch people who have failed for year. they've got nothing, telling me how to negotiate with her career. but thanks anyway." a lot of democrats, jessica, are critical of where the president isn't going forward with this. >> jessica: and a lot of republicans are, as well. john bolton is probably the most cautious of anyone. >> harris: consciousness and criticism are two different things. >> jessica: there's been implicit criticism. mike pompeo also sat down with tepper over the weekend and got kind of an embarrassing exchange where he said we wanted denuclearization, and he said "that's not true." and he said "that's a direct quote." it came out of the present made comments he was dissatisfied with and ended testing. brian kilmeade is pushing back against that saying it should not be the goal. denuclearization is the only appropriate goal for this. when you listen to senator merkley and some of the more hawkish members of the republican party, i think what they're asking for his consistency on this. and to ensure that no matter how these meetings go down, we know

clearly what america is after and what we will set her fork. i have the rest of it is unacceptable. >> harris: talk to me about the economics of this. because changing their worldview is kind of what's happening. >> melissa: that's interesting, because when you look at other regimes and despotic regimes around the world, you could see they are motivated by one of two things. you either have the ones that are motivated by wanting to hold onto power and have money, and then there are others that believe they have been destined by god to obliterate everybody else who doesn't agree with that. obviously that is the harder group of people to deal with. so when you look at kim jong un, or even put in, these are people where if money means something to them and helps them with their ability to hang onto power. so bringing him to hanoi is very interesting, because it's like, "here's a government structure that we don't agree with, but we are able to trade with them and they are able to be prosperous." you don't have to be democracy. i think kennedy makes a great point that the real problem is, how does he will onto power and hold onto his group with his own people and give them a little

bit of freedom and give up the nukes? it's going to be very hard, but he has to feel like it's a possibility to start on the road of, number one, not threatening people with nuclear weapons. number two, after that we then turned to the humanitarian situation in his own country. to everybody who says that we haven't gotten anything so far, ari fleischer made a great point earlier today -- they have to test those ballistic missiles in order to be able to use them to hit us. so, selfishly, we were talking about how that missile could hit hawaii. now that's not the case, because they are not testing those. so i know that's not nice for anyone else who is in the neighborhood, but it's an accurate to say that nothing has been achieved because americans are safer. we want that for everyone else. but that's just a point to be made. >> harris: it's very true. what you were saying, about the humanitarian situation of there, kennedy -- we haven't been able to impact. in fact, we have been able to put much pressure on china. but hanoi, vietnam, in a place where the chinese would like to move into those sees, as well. then you see a deal

potentially -- not to go down too much on the business network side of this -- but it's important. it's all the same story. >> kennedy: when you look at vietnam's economy, it had completely collapsed when they went into an isolated communistic system. then when they finally opened up their market and begin trading partners with the west end with the united states, you saw a much healthier economy. i think it's interesting, because singapore is still very authoritarian. that is more of a model for kim jong un. but vietnam chose the fruits of free economy and global trade. >> melissa: thou suspected to vote tomorrow on the resolution that would do away with president trump's emergency declaration on the border. the measure likely to pass a democratic support and could also pass the senate with some g.o.p. support. one of those who could buck the president, right now he has made up his mind. >> i don't know yet. i don't like the process. i don't think the emergency declaration law was written to

deal with things that the president asked the congress to do, and then the congress didn't do. it's never been used that way before. i want to look carefully at the law. i want to hear what the president's lawyers have to say about it. >> melissa: even if the measure lands on the president's desk, he has promised a veto. lawmakers are skeptical they would have the votes to override it. house republicans adam kinzinger recently got back from the air national guard deployment to the port. he says the president's right about the situation down there. watch. >> i support the emergency declaration. when i went down there, there's a lot of immigration issues. we sought a lot of groups coming across the border illegally. but we saw a lot of drugs, a lot of human trafficking. by the way, i have done three prior border deployments. all under president obama. so there was never -- it was never controversial under president obama. if this was just an immigration issue, i probably would also agree it doesn't rise to the level of an emergency

declaration. but this is drugs, this is human trafficking. >> melissa: meantime, nearly two dozen former congressional republicans in a bipartisan group of 58 former national security officials have come out against the president's declaration. chris, i will start with you. what's interesting to me, when you watch this come to the floor and he watched the vote-counting, i haven't heard nancy pelosi ask for anything for the dreamers and a really long time. i haven't heard her advocate on behalf of people. i'm only hearing the democrats say "no" to what they want to and what they are against. it feels like people have been forgotten in this. especially the dreamers. >> chris: it is, this is nothing more than a stunt. in the grand tradition of legislative stunt votes, it won't mean anything at the end of the day. you mention, even if it goes to the president -- which is unlikely -- he will veto it. my concern, some in her works are republicans, is that -- i wish every one of the republicans would vote and listen to it adam kinzinger set

on fox. it puts some republicans on the senate -- they are defending some purple to blue type areas. on the wrong side of an issue that's not going to go well in their state. it's a lot of people on our side, on their public inside, setting up for colleagues to be tougher situations to win reelection. >> melissa: jessica, i bet you disagree with that. >> jessica: i don't. purple states and counties are difficult for both sides. the same goes for democrats that are in more conservative districts who have to talk differently about border security than they do in new york city. jerry nadler can say whatever he wants about it up here, but it makes a difference if you are down there. kyrsten sinema is indicative of that. she voted with the president over 50% of the time when she was in congress. so it is difficult, but then there are republicans like will hurd whose constituency has a huge chunk of the board that we are talking about here. he says we don't need a wall. the problem has always been that the president made up an emergency when things got really bleak for him. he talked about it consistently through the first two years in the campaign, but then he suddenly got to a boiling point

and said it's a national emergency. yes, there are drugs coming, but they are going through ports of entry. which means we have people there who are stopping them. the numbers do not bear out his argument. if this is an emergency, if you look a border patrol statistics, the numbers are going down over the last two decades. when he gets up at the rose garden and he says, "i did need to do this but people are going to be skeptical. ">> melissa: we only know they are going through the ports of entry because they are being stopped and we have people there. but if they're going and elsewhere, we don't know about it. if you have sarah sanders got school on that. >> harris: had a different take. he said there areas outside jessica >> jessica: the president and i have always had a different take. [laughter] 's be when you can have a different take but the president, but lisa recently's have members of congress buying it for themselves as well. kim's in years only one i know of who is deployed recently we've had delegates go down there as well. the point i would make is, is a

good enough just to protect those areas where we say course of entry were we can keep of it? >> jessica: i think the differences ports venture versus national emergency. you can have a conversation about border security, but declaring a national emergency is issue. >> chris: of what adam kinzinger described, what part of that do you not believe is an emergency? >> jessica: i could do it, but i want to make sure kennedy gets in. >> kennedy: i don't understand why you got two different groups of people who go to different parts of the border and see to complete different things. what i would like to see is both of them swap and see if there are any consistencies with their reporting back of what's happening at the border or if this is just a series of confirmation biases. in that case, the whole thing is essentially a fraud and we are not getting the truth from anyone. if you want to know why drug cartels send drugs to ports venture, you have to go back and read some of the testimony from the a el chapo trial. because he was one of the largest exporters of drugs into our country, and they said they

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>> melissa: we are giving you a life look right now of air force one. it is sitting on the tarmac there, at joint base andrews. we expect the president to arrive soon on marine one and board air force one. he is on his way, he will arrive by motorcade. pardon me. en route to hanoi, vietnam, for those talks with kim jong un. we expect him to maybe make a common doll not comment or two. we are not sure. you never know. >> harris: he always does that. but we know here in the east coast, the winds are vicious right now. >> melissa: that's true. remember, when he got out of the motorcade and he went over the sideline before? he has done that. >> harris: he sometimes does it. we don't know. >> melissa: will bring you to live when it happens. >> harris: a top democrat in congress is saying he's ready to haul robert mueller before his committee if the special counsel is not sufficiently forthcoming with the results of his investigation of the president. house intelligence committee chairman adam schiff spoke yesterday, insisting there is

evidence that president trump colluded with russia. collusion is not a crime. vowing to make sure the entire special counsel report is made public. even if new attorney general william barr withholds some information. watch. >> we will obviously subpoena the report. we will bring bob mueller in to testify before congress. we'll take it to court if necessary. in the end, i think the department understands that they are going to have to make this public. i think barb will ultimately understand that, as well. if he were to try and withhold and bury any part of this report, that will be his legacy. it will be a tarnished legacy. so i think it will be immense pressure. not only on the department, but on the attorney general to be forthcoming. >> harris: former republican house oversight chair trey gowdy with "game of thrones" reference, telling maria bartiromo on sunday that chairman schiff apparently sees evidence nobody else can. >> there's never been a witness who is alleged conspiracy

between the term campaign and russia. and yet, adam schiff -- that 3-i'd raven. adam schiff, who can things nobody else can see, says he has evidence more than circumstantial, not quite drug. for those who didn't go to law school, there is no such thing. there is no such thing as evidence that is not circumstantial or direct. but adam has seen it and he is never pressed on it. >> harris: meanwhile, attorney general william barr said in his confirmation hearing that he would be as transparent as possible with the mueller report. there is precedent involved, here, as the justice department has released everything republicans requested in the hillary clinton email investigation. doj also released the starr report and leon dvorsky's throat don't like watergate investigation. where we going here? >> chris: oh, gosh. adam schiff, the leader of first don't like russian conspiracy theories, was always going to release every word of this that fits his theory. if the classified he's not going to release come he will lead to

"the washington post" and "the new york times." that was always going to happen. it shouldn't surprise anyone. he has done the same thing since the beginning, and he has been rogue out there. unfortunately i don't know what trey gowdy's references. somebody will have to explain that to me about the "game of thrones" reference. he's going to do what he feels fits his narrative. it doesn't matter what the evidence shows. >> harris: is that your opinion customer he said he said before. >> chris: he has. if you look to the beginning of this process, adam schiff has leaked what's going on. anything that's made it's way out -- which is pretty tight. you can give the mueller team credit in terms of keeping things close to the best. >> harris: that's why he has bipartisan support. space if you're exactly right. >> kennedy: adam schiff is going to be so mad if that report is tepid! >> harris: some democrats have already talked about what they will do if it's not quite there. in the meantime, i'll tell you what is there. the president is at joint base andrews. getting ready. you have it win? it usually takes marine want to get their come at air force one. but that's where they are in the

motorcade. very windy conditions for the type of craft, i would imagine. so they made a call to be on the ground. then you are. you waiting for the president to leave for a history-making summit. the first one was, with the dictator of north korea, and kim jong un. every looking at a second summit with the president of the united states and kim jong un. and what will be achieved from this? at the new do nuclear's agent has been the goal, and then there's been some criticism. you seen that about the special envoy we are seeing now. some are clinical that we may be giving too much away and terms of sitting down having this much conversation with a brutal regime, but as kennedy was pointing out a while ago, they thought upwards of millions of people in custody. the human rights situation for the custody of my country. there is the president of the united states as he boards air force one. how much of a difference cannot president make? it's already changing in the

sense that we are talking with our country. melissa? >> melissa: it's interesting to put in perspective of how the american people are feeling about this, as we watch the president get aboard the plane. recent fox news poll -- president trump and north korea. approve or disapprove? 40% of previous policy so far. 41 percent do not approve. the u.s. taking military action to stop north korea's nuclear weapons program. right now, 49% in favor of military action to stop this program. 37% oppose it. that number is down a little bit from april, it was at 53%. chris, to me that says that people feel threatened. they feel concerned about this risk out there. >> chris: they feel threatened unconcern, but the bigger aspect is they are willing to do something. that's the unique aspect, the numbers you pointed out. you can look at the relationships. for venezuela today, there is a national threat coming out of south america. but you don't see the same

support intervening in the current situation there. that's what's interesting to me about it. you do have, right now, you got to put everything that goes on -- it's somewhat cynical, but this is what i do for living -- and to put into the prison of what it means for election. if the president is able to come out of north korea or make the claim that he is somehow taking us further down the road to a denuclearized north korean peninsula, is he's able to push kim for their long in the process of lightning up on his r him. i think that's a big deal. >> harris: kennedy, i want to get in there with this point because i mention it before. the president is aboard air force one leaving shortly for hanoi, vietnam. is about a 20 hour plane ride, normally, commercially. i think they might be able to get their little quicker but we will see. weibel covered every length of the way. a senior at administration official tells fox news the white house state department doj treasury and energy are expressing concern about president trump special envoy to north korea.

is he going to -- and this is a quote -- "get in too far over with negotiations with north korean officials?" even going into the summit there is some reported criticism for a senior administration official talking with fox news. kennedy, what do you make of it? >> kennedy: i don't think these talks are implicitly harmful. of course, i would like to know that the president has a solid agenda and is incredibly focused on extracting something that is not only to our benefit but makes the world a better and more peaceful place. the more talks we have and the more we lean on the side of trade and having good moves back and forth, the less you see a military threat. the one thing that north korea is asking for is for the united states to ease up on their alliance with south korea, doing military exercises in their backyard. the president has said that perhaps we have too many military bases open all over the

world, and that the one good thing about his presidency, you could say, is the unorthodox street he drew. >> harris: what makes a better and all the such, he had an interesting morning talking chinese data had a positive effect on the dow jones. this president making news, having a positive effect, she will come on terms of talking with chinese leadership as he gets ready to take off for hanoi, vietnam. air force one, center of your screen. we are covering it and we will come right back. we will take quick break. virginia stennett mike democratic lieutenant governor justin fairfax is facing new controversies day over his latest response of the sexual assault allegations against him. trixie has rhetoric crossed the line. details i had prayed the gloves come off here, though. democrats face a growing split over the green new deal pushed by congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. now that freshman democrat is ripping senator dianne feinstein for her comments -- -- really,t

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>> you know it's interesting about this group? i have been doing this for 30 years. i know what i'm doing. you come in here and you say it has to be my way or the highway. i don't respond to that. i've gotten elected, i just ran, i was elected by almost a million votes plurality. i know what i'm doing. so, you know, maybe people should listen a little bit. >> melissa: ocasio-cortez the ripping into her remarks in an instagram post. watch this. >> i don't think that working on an issue for 30 years alone is what qualifies -- is what makes someone qualified to solve an issue. a lack of urgency is going to kill us. >> melissa: feinstein come in a statement to usa today, not

apologizing for saying "i want the children you know they were heard loud and clear. i have an been remained to enact real meaningful climate change legislation. we had a spirited discussion. i presented the group of my draft resolution that provides specific responses to the climate change crisis, and i'm sure those kids read that draft document right away." kennedy, they sounded out the words they didn't understand. no doubt. so many places to go. with that video, how did those kids get there, wherever their parents, who sent them, all that kind of stuff. but what you think of the dam on dem violence here? >> kennedy: propaganda at work. i don't agree with dan france in the lot. i spent the better part of my life in california and i don't think she is always imprisoning the state well she's been in office and earned the right to say, "don't come to my office, use kids as a pond, try to bully me into resolution --" if this were a

resolution that was enacted, it would cost if he truly does over ten years. it's impossible. it's wholly unsustainable. that's why there are moderate democrats taking a step back. what can we do, what can we extract from this that we can actually enact together that would make the environment cleaner and make everyone feel safer and better? it's not the green new deal. i mean, this stuff -- it is malarkey nonsense garbage. >> melissa: what do you think about a group that would get together with cameras and send kids and their to confront and sort of embarrassed dianne feinstein? her response now, it's all over tv. and then you see aoc go on while she's cooking up a counter, whatever she's doing, and she sort of weighs in on the whole thing. what are your thoughts on that as a democrat? >> jessica: i don't like it one bit. the sunrise movement who was behind this is a dark money political organization that is out there for manipulation and to stir things up. which they have done. it happens on both sides of the

aisle, that kids are used as pawns in this way. the first video of dianne feinstein was only 3 minutes long for those a 40 minute interaction that came out after everyone had exploded that she was the meanest grandma in the whole world. she does have -- i think aoc is wrong to say that 30 years of activism on this issue doesn't matter. because it does matter, and she has her own climate change bill on top of that. when i was watching that, i saw bernie sanders -- a younger version -- versus hillary clinton. hillary clinton saying, "we need to know how to pay for these things. we need a policy that can actually be implemented and can pass." and bernie saying, "hey, i'm on my unicorn, here's medicare for all and free college tuition." and this is the fight that aoc wants to have with moderate democrats. it didn't work out in 2018. >> harris: you know what i see? i see an opening for republicans to get in there. [laughs] it is true that the freebies are something that everybody says they want, until they realize how much it costs. change is what everybody says they want until they realize

what certain avenues cost. so if republicans can get in there, chris, and come up with something that works -- not like what just happened to california where they spent three and a half billion of our dollars on mismanagement and bob loblaw and has a high real speed thing >> chris: your republicans are famous for that >> harris: why not come in and put their package and for the next round? >> chris: i think that is the right approach. that video, that last lecture linda, the back room as well the kids. the fact that she kept her cool for as long as she did was your mark to me. the vote on this, what mcconnell's to become is absolutely brilliant. force democrats to own or reject what is really socialism, thinly disguised as environmentalism. as nothing more than some hipster designed to take of the economy. when he's the democrats down the middle, who's going to accept and reject it -- >> melissa: is more nefarious than that because it's a money grab where they are funneling

money from taxpayers to other corporations and it's destroying lives in the process. people whose energy goes through the roof and people who lose their jobs. so it's more nefarious -- >> chris: and how many cows have did i? >> melissa: i was being serious, but i hear you. a new firestorm in virginia after the embattled governor a dark chapter of the nation's past comparing himself to a victim of lynching. the fierce reaction and whether this creates new headaches for democrats. s,♪ but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost. unfortunately, it can't do anything about that. now that you know the truth... are you in good hands?

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remove that. we talk about hundreds, at least 100 lynchings that have happened in the commonwealth of virginia under those very same hospices. and it we stand here in a rush to judgment with nothing but accusations, and no facts. and we decide that we are willing to do the same thing. >> kennedy: the republican majority leader in the virginia house of dallas done like delegates blasting your mark saying it's the most disgusting type of rhetoric he could have invoked. but the democratic character of the black caucus says he's heard simulating language from his constituents. his remarks come as they got to hold hearings. one of his accusers, meredith watson, issued a statement through her lawyer saying she would probably testify against fairfax. this is getting messier, but i understand where justin fairfax is coming from. in that the two men who are on either side of him, hundreds of ascendancy to the governorship,

are both embattled in claims of racism. and here justin fairfax is being singled out for claims of sexual assault. so what is the appropriate venue? should they be public hearings in the house of delegates like republicans or control that chamber? or is this a law enforcement issue as the lieutenant governor's claim in? >> jessica: i feel like it's a little bit above my pay grade but i do think -- >> kennedy: what would it take to get to the truth here? >> jessica: i think it deserves a public airing. in the brett kavanaugh hearings were heard from dr. ford in a very public hearing. i think that helps all of us to better understand the issue. we came on the same side of it is many cases. that was the way forward. i think there's an issue, even if you could situate senses in the public leadership using that kind of terms or speaking in that way, last night at the oscars listening to spike lee, he won for "blackkklansman" ."

stepping back from using the language of the kkk. there was no grand wizard at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. public lynchings, with the jussie smollett thing we heard that as well. come after public figures. i think we need to cool it on that type of -- >> kennedy: and the chief of police in chicago. >> harris: just to further the image of what you're talking about, i don't usually stay up the entire time for the oscars but without a host i was really curious about it. end up watching the whole thing. when congressman elijah cummings talked about the physical scar -- >> jessica: john lewis. >> harris: john lewis, excuse me, talked about the physical scars of going through an era when racism and bigotry lead to violence -- i mean, it was really moving. and it meant something. when you toss those words around now, as you say, four-color. to just simply add hyperbole to situation. it can be very harmful. it gets so far afield from what's important. as he pointed out, you've got a

#metoo going on with accusations of multiple women and you got racism with the governor and the ag. those live in different lanes. we should be able to adjudicate all of it, if that's what necessary. or at least hear it all without drawing lines as a country that make it look like some hate others over this. let's just get to the truth. >> kennedy: and let's not lose sight of history. i think that is one of the casualties in all of this, that we throw these words around and they cannot lose their meaning. it's incredibly critical. ember cannot lose sight of our very recent past. be six to most of us this seems insane, to hear this sort of comment from fairfax. in this culture where jussie smollett thinks freaking a racist homophobic attack on himself will enhance his career, it's kind of par for the course. it's a new expectation, that sort of pattern. >> melissa: i mean, i don't have any more to add on it. yeah. >> harris: thank you, and

congressman john lewis, with all respect. >> kennedy: very good. comedian bill mark -- used to be funny -- catching the eat after bashing americans and red states, belittling them and telling them less affluent and s educated than people in blue states. for these comments can show democrats having trouble with middle america. it's all coming up next. ♪ this is loma linda, a place with one of the highest life expectancies in the country. you see so many people walking around here

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♪ >> there are two americans. it seems like one is where all the cool jobs are, where people drive teslas, eat artisanal ice cream. we have orchestras and theater districts and world-class shopping. we have shuffle cooking punk. they have chef boyardee. [laughter] our roofs have solar panels. there is have last year's christmas lights. [laughter] 's behalf chameleon dominic comedian bill maher taking heat for his comments. he set a show that traditionally conservative red states were envious of liberal leaning blue states and their bustling economy. he also took a swipe at amazon, saying the company should "take one for the team and open a second headquarters in a forgotten red state." i want to lead by saying amazon's and a bunch of red states and there are many james

beard award winning in red states. a lot of liberals really don't like bill maher anyway. because he was n-word. >> melissa: i was saving my time from glass summit for this one. that was very honest. that was very honest. that's exactly what liberals think of everyone else, and it really shows that it is about money and snobbery and being entitled. that is the quintessential definition of what a limousine liberal is, or a learjet liberal. whatever he might be. but it's just -- it is looking down on other people, really because they have more money. the solar panel -- it's so perfect, because, of course, you can afford more extensive energy. you can afford solar panels. you can afford that luxury of making that your issue because you are not scrapping to try and pay her rent. >> kennedy: can i say really quickly hopes that it is for bill maher that he doesn't know anyone who has calluses in the

hands? he doesn't know anyone who is going to take a castrol to their neighbor when they get a cancer diagnosis. i feel bad for him for that, but also has bias and has bubble that he lives in -- there are two at los angeles. he should visit some of the tent cities and places like venice. some of the high schools where 80% of the kids don't graduate. because the place that he's talking about is riddled with problems and statism, and to be funny. but that isn't even a clever take on something. it is a blatant lie and he should spend real time with your people in the middle of the country. speech you talk about what the meat cake -- >> jessica: he's not running for office, we should point that out. >> chris: i was in texas last week, they said they would like to be more like jersey. bill maher is a jerk. the worst part about it -- the clips, he said "we have wolfgang puck," canned soup, frozen

pizzas. airport grab and go. this is not culture to me. the red state i live in, which is oklahoma city, goma -- i spent a lot of time in texas. against any of the things and he thinks are so culture come any day of the week. >> jessica: i think this isn't one we will be divided on. we have to be careful we don't go into deplorable territory. we can have a conversation about why tax dollars come from because urban centers -- we all pay taxes here. >> kennedy: brown sound indiana show me things that were on the auction at the high school. they raised over $300,000 for their school because everyone there pages n. >> jessica: we will talk about in the break. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. oh! oh!

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