sessions to be made. but there will be a lot of discussion whether or not concessions that are made are the best way to go about achieving goals in vietnam. we will be watching throughout the night and that is "the story" on a busy one tonight and we will be back here at 7:00, nutri-grain bridge and jim norton. -- newt gingrich and jim norton. live pictures from hanoi, vietnam and the president about to meet with the dictator kim jong un and we will monitor that live. we expect a lot of movement and i will play it to you as it happens, but first come a lot going on capitol hill and the circus came to town. the president lawyer michael cohen testified for most of the daylight hours and everybody carried it. and on the way to work, a real job, so we watched every moment because we are paid to do that. most of the date devoted to the question of trumps personal character. people in washington never tire

of being shocked but an incredibly bad man don is. and they can just hardly believe his flaws. they sat open mouth in congress has michael cohen described his former boss, brace yourself a bit of a con man who has overstated his personal wealth. in private tromp apparently has said, at one point michael cohen said tromp used a straw buyer to bid up a portrait of himself at a charity auction. he wanted his picture to go for the highest price. are you shocked yet? can you believe it? of course you can, this is exactly we knew back in 2015 went descent of the famous escalator and millions of people voted for him anyway, his character was not the point. that will point the hearings not his character either but supposed to be russian collusion and obstruction of justice. and those topics have derailed the american government for the

past two years. in those subjects, we actually did learn quite a bit today. here is one example. about a month ago the cat block does feed ran an article, trump ordered michael cohen to lie to the congress. that is a big deal and immediately the hysterics and the congress went bonkers, impeachment, indictment, but it didn't actually happen, there in person, he was able to conclusively answer that question today and he did watch. >> mr. cohen you stood before congressional committees and raised your right hand and swear to be honest is that correct? >> that is correct. >> and you lied to the congressional committees, is that correct? >> previously yes >> yes or. >> kiss her. >> you said that he never lied. president trump will not go to jail for perjury after all, da darn. look for a retraction in the

latest buzzfeed and 15 cats that look like ruth bader ginsburg look carefully. what about russian blackmail you have been hearing about that for years. trump they have told you again and again has somehow been compromised by the russians. that is why he has been spying for them. putin has something horrible incriminating on donald trump he must. the president of in a bat -- or doing something weird. certainly michael cohen when we'd know about that kind of thing, that is his world. luckily a sitting member of congress asked michael cohen about it directly today, watch. >> are you a rare as anything that the president has done at home or abroad that may have so accepted him or subject him to a extortion or blackmail? >> no. >> okay, are you aware of any videotapes that may be the subject of extortion or blackmail? >> i've heard of these tapes for a long time. i have many people contact me

over the years. i have no reason to believe that that tape exists. we went the great jamie raskin, ladies and gentlemen, thank you mr. raskin for clearing that up. so the tape is not real. there goes the juiciest part of the tromp dossier which you will remember another highly publicized group from yes, buzzfeed. good time to be back to those cat videos, fellows but wait what about the trip to prague that cohen took part of collusion with dark forces of the russian empire. that was in the dossier as well and buzzfeed told us about it. surely michael cohen would admit it now, he's got nothing to los. but b6 was asked about the prague trip and this is what he said. have you been to problem. >> i've never been to prague or the czech republic. >> tucker: this is where it gets confusing. never been to prague. this is the point at which they call the narrative, starts to

break down a little bit. if michael cohen never went to prague as buzzfeed and adam schiff and prime time lineup of nbc has told us repeatedly that you did, how is that lead to michael cohen when colluded with the russians to steal the 2016 presidential election from its rightful winner hillary clinton? that is a good question, isn't it, debbie wasser scholz at the democrat to have 100 that too. here is the exchange. >> based on what you know, with mr. trump or did he lie about colluding and coordinating with the russians at any point during the campaign? >> so as i stated in my testimony, i wouldn't use the word colluding. was there something odd about the back and forth praise with president putin? yes, but i'm not really sure

that i can answer that question in terms of collusion. >> tucker: oh, wait, so there is no collusion. there is no russian black male. there is no obstruction of justice. none of the things that the entire media class has spent the last two years huffing and speculating wildly about. keep in mind michael cohen is trump's personal lawyer of ten years. he now hates donald trump and would like to destroy him. he has said that again and again. if michael coleman had the dime, he would drop it. but he doesn't. there is nothing there. it was all a lie. can we go home now? we have two more days of stuff just like this. two more days of exchanges like this one. members of congress not only dumber than you thought they were, but a lot creepier. >> can he be blackmailed because of this financial business adventures, including by foreign government? is there a love child?

there is not to the best of my knowledge. >> do you have any knowledge of president trump abusing in a substances? i'm not aware of that, no. >> do you have any knowledge of president trump arranging health care procedures for families -- from those not in his family? >> i'm not aware of that. >> tucker: is there a love child is he a dope head did he pay for abortions? no, no, no. by the hand you feel bad for michael cohen honestly. he's not a genius and anyone can affirm that. he's in his 50s and headed to prison. that is a long way where he expected to be. cohen showed up in washington anticipating he would be the kind of mover and shaker that would welcome any restaurant in town. part the seas for michael koman. now he will be eating sloppy joe's off of a metal tray with thousands of other creeps and a polyester uniform in the lock up. so politics out of it for if you can. this is a sad story. cohen is a broken and desperate man but nobody cares.

democrats cheered for his conviction on ludacris, observe campaign finance charges. paying off someone's girlfriend has a campaign finance violation. it is laughable but they don't care. now they are squeezing whatever you can out of michael cohen when he shuffles off to his cell. what do the rest of us get out of this? we learn that trump is vain and vulgar, okay. what do we do with information? is it supposed to make us support open borders like long term abortion, the green new deal where will it make the drug epidemic go away or the suicide rate dropped? will it make housing affordable in the cities? what does it have to do with anything? it doesn't have anything to do with anything and that is the exactly the point. this has been going on forever. the more time they waste yelping about trumps purity auction scam and is not a language in private, the last time they have to explain why they have run this country into the ground and gotten rich doing it. this is a distraction, and we

are falling for it for the record. today's hearing, thomas, thank you for coming on. >> thanks for having me on. again and again and i'm not defending this b6 because why would i. he is clearly a liar but on the other hand, he said a bunch of things that no reason to lie about, things every incentive that since he likes trump so much, he would admit if he knew that trump had a love child, drug addition, paid for abortion colluding with the russians. the tape that was real and he said it wasn't. why is that not kind of significant? >> thomas: it is a great point, the real story is what he didn't say today. the things that you brought up in your monologue before and the pen all of this stuff. we are not talking about that. he did talk about you know the accusations with the payoffs and of course, the painting, ridiculous stuff.

but let me say for the record, buying of the painting sounds totally true to me. that is my opinion. >> thomas: but what difference does it say -- does it make. it has nothing to do with what they are trying to do today. and the left is trying, the democrats are trying to begin an impeachment process. they started with a fake dossier to get an fbi investigation and how they are starting with a fake witness to get the impeachment going. that is their agenda. this is the best they've got. this is their star witness. a guy who lied on his bank loans, a guy that lied five times to the irs. lied to congress, the lead testimony to congress is a guy that lied to congress. it is the best they've got. and that is what they are trying to -- >> tucker: i'm confused by this. let's say you are having an extramarital affair which many members of congress do as you know. in your girlfriend trying to

extort money. and you pay her, is it a crime to crumble in the face of extortion plot? >> mark: actually, there are a lot of debates most people don't think it is a crime. most people think michael cohen didn't need to plead to that. that is what many people are saying many of the legal experts, why he did come i don't know. but his other crimes are real. >> tucker: any members of congress paid off sexual harassment claims. members of congress elected two years however one of those violation, no? >> mark: if they use campaign funds. >> tucker: but trump used private funds. >> mark: as far as i know the way it went down here, that is not. what michael coleman did is not a crime. >> tucker: went the whole thing, thank you congressman i appreciate i appreciate it. >> mark: thank you for having me on the show. a former advisor to the presidential campaign and knows cohen well entrances. thank you so much for coming on but what did you make of this? >> it went as i thought it

would. to get what we deserve, we see john love it and michael cohen on "saturday night live." the president is a pathological liar of the united states of america but of course we are not going to get that. the democrats and hollywood one has to believe michael cohen but i saw two or three times in this hearing where michael cohen couldn't resist lying again. for example, when he talked about it was his idea that president trump ran for president in 2011 for the 2012 cycle, that couldn't be further from the truth. there was a whole team put together by roger stone that was already in motion trying to get the president into the game when michael cohen came along. and joined up with the team and started a group should trump run? the reason he was given leadership of the group is because he promised president trump he would raise two to $3 million at the end of that campaign, michael cohen

raised $16,000. the idea his idea for the president to run in 2012 is a lie. he lied to the committee's face and of course he had that whole thing with foreign contract and they will refer that for an investigation. i think an investigation with his whole claim, prideful claim it was his idea of the president run in 2012 is preposterous. >> tucker: i've heard a lot today from republicans about michael cohen is lying. i'm willing to believe anything come of course, but do you think he was lying in the statements that he made about the president that none of these bugs feed israel and he would know, is he lying about that? >> michael: i don't know. i think that congress has done a heck of a job and the next couple of times, the committee, to sort through what is light and what is truth. i think peppering your lies with the little dollop of truth is

the best strategy of a pathological liar, right? so i think a tough time to figure out what michael cohen is saying whether it is a lie or truthful. and the idea, he is the star witness is really hilarious. and by the way, john love it looks like him and sounds like him. they have to do it on saturday night. >> tucker: why, and you know i actually know him pretty well and he always struck me as a little slow but i don't hate him or anything. only a dumb person would lead to campaign violation for paying off. this is not campaign finance why would he plead to that? be when i think he's being told to do what he's doing and the rule 35 he talked about during s testimony today. rule 35 is a motion prosecutors put into reduce somebody's sentence for substantial assistance. and i talked to a couple of former u.s. attorneys, you know, who said that michael cohen is doing is telling a narrative,

trying to get the public to buy off on it. for example, the u.s. attorney come i'm sorry the special counsel's office can get roger stone for being on speakerphoneo knows donald trump and knows roger stone knows that would never happen. the president wouldn't put him on speakerphone anymore than roger stone would let anyone listen to his conversations. >> tucker: that is true. i know that for a fact. i would hate to think of a prosecutor being involved in propaganda effort. >> michael: and this rule 35 think my pay attention, rule 35. he's him for three years. >> tucker: i'm the only person in america that feels a little bit sorry for him but i do. thank you very much great to see you. >> michael: thank you, tucker. >> tucker: an independent journalist and a wise man who joins us tonight following the russia stuff since the very beginning and i think you are a liberal. but you have been skeptical about the russian narrative as

they say on cnn. did what you hear today change your view? >> absolutely not and it reinforced my view that much of what has been touted as smoking gun evidence russian collusion since the beginning of this whole ordeal has actually not been worn out. i think a line of questioning that was used by representative, an independent thinker, a democrat. you talk about him on the show. >> tucker: i like him. >> i think he had an interesting approach here and speculated that perhaps the actual smoking gun in this -- whole episode not anything to do with russia but just garden-variety, those are his words, stemming from hush money payment that michael cohen gave stormy daniels 2016 election and trump and his associates repaid that payment to cohen constituted financial fraud. i don't know if that is true but the rational motive. >> tucker: i agree.

>> michael: but what is not rational the way the democrats have approached this russian matter, especially with regard to speed ten. i don't know if you have followed coverage on the other networks and other media outlets, but they have been so trembling with glee about this revelation from cohen that he apparently overheard a conversation between donald trump and roger stone sometime in late july 2016 where stone apparently confided that he had a phone conversation with julian astonish. there is no independent evidence of that whatsoever. and just indicted roger stone last month on charges that are late to the claims communications with wikileaks and the pertinent phone records and every other record under the sun made no mention of the phone call that transpired on i believe july 18th or 19, 2016.

either mueller is a total failure in term of his investigative prelates or there is something else going on. i don't have to tell you, talk about roger stone has developed a reputation rightfully so of being a fabulous and always characterized his communications with wikileaks as total accurate. that may have been the case here. >> tucker: [laughter] he may go to prison for bragging. tragic but yes, i think that is probably right. >> michael: that was the big take away. and if that's the big take away and this whole narrative is on luger ground and even i thought from the beginning. i always thought it was -- >> tucker: we are moving to war with nuclear power -- power and no cause to be an enemy of and the whole thing is bizarre. and i would say to any of the viewers who don't know who you are, michael tracey, it's worth reading i would say. thank you for joining us tonight. >> michael: thank you. >> tucker: michael cohen from

the proceeds on capitol hill and a different scene unfolding southeast asia. the summit with north korean leader kim jong un is underway. ramp barrett, all here for the events from hanoi, live pictures of the president's car. we will get in it in a moment to drive to the scene of the summit. we will be back in just a mome moment. allergens. like those from buddy. because stuffed animals are clearly no substitute for real ones. feel the clarity. and live claritin clear.

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to pay no attention before congress cohen. how is the administration reacting to all that has happened in washington, special report bret baier in hanoi following everything that is happening here and here to tell us, hey, bret. >> bret: hey, tucker. >> tucker: so how the traveling white house press people responding? >> bret: they are paying attention, obviously to the michael cohen hearing and obviously watched it. we didn't get a lot from the white house in reaction. jay sekulow put out a statement saying one element of the testimony was completely wrong. no fool tweet from the president other than re-tweeting what he retweeted before. the best inclination about the president's view of all of this was a statement from senator lindsey graham and he had a phone call with president trump and he said he was kind of angry that there was a split screen of hanoi, you know north korea u.s. summit and michael cohen's testimony.

as you are getting ready to see the motorcade leaving here and we are at the jw marriott and the president will head down to the hotel with a one-on-one summit meeting bilateral with north korean leader. and a full day of events including a working lunch. really, the focus has been with the tangible things are going to be out of the summit and not michael cohen's back and forth. >> tucker: interesting. does the white house seem optimistic about being able to announce something meaningful after this meeting? >> bret: yeah, i had a number of conversations on background with a few officials. i've talked to other people who say they don't know until it happens. this is different than other summits where teams of diplomats go in and try to iron out all the details and minutia and then the principles come in and sign the papers. this has to do with the one-on-one personalities of president trump and kim jong un

about what kim is going to agree to or not. and whether the u.s. is going to hold the line on denuclearization. everything i'm hearing is, they want to define success as getting kim to give up his nuclear weapons. and that to succeed economic success in vietnam with singapore at the summit. >> tucker: that is a big ask to go into this. what are they threatening if they don't get it? >> bret: well, that is it. what does success look like and what is failure look like. success looks like incrementally may be getting inspectors a verifiable system employees. getting a timeline when things actually are going to happen. as you will see, the motorcade rolling here from the jw marriott, the beast with the president tsai to. and it's about 15 minute drive across town. security is tight but not for these guys. and then, it just falls apart and the maximum pressure of sanctions comes back in play.

and neither party wants that. i can tell you this, the people in vietnam who i have talked to in the people in south korea who we have been talking to, out there, really want this to work. they want this piece to happen. it is just for the region. >> tucker: so let me ask you finally come a number of people are saying here including the president's son, don jr., that everything that is playing out with michael and what we hear in the congress today, undermined the president's hand in these negotiations. do you think that is true and does the white house think that is true? >> bret: i don't think they think that. i think they think it distracts the attention. you know, the hearings happen today. the meetings really, now, it is today, tomorrow your time. and the summit goes all day this day here in hanoi. and so the coverage will come back to the summit after a day of being up on capitol hill. does it distract?

yes. does it diminish? no, if they get the liberals out of the summit from anything is substantial. history has a long view. michael cohen will not be a big part of history if that happens. >> tucker: either way, i doubt it will be a chapter. bret baier light from hanoi, thank you very much for that. >> bret: thank you, tucker. >> tucker: so what can we realistically expect out of the summit we are watching in hanoi? the director of studies for the center of national interest joins us, here it is good to see you my thanks for coming on. give us the interview at the point, the object of this meeting is. >> harry: tucker i think we have to think about how this has changed in terms of what the white house is saying in 2017 and today. everything is about denuclearization. i think that is still a big point but what the president has been doing is going on twitter's talk about peace. we have to think about this, how do we send kim jong un to give up his weapons? i think only one way to do that,

and the korean war. i think what you will see today, both parties signing endo for declarations that formally ends this. what that will do, that allows trump to say, kim jong un we are no longer enemies anymore. i'm not a threat and was -- regime change, and at least we will know what that point, actually serious about doing this. and i think that is the biggest thing ending the war after 65 years, but what are the consequences of being at war as a diplomatic matter with north korea? improve life for korea if there were ends? >> harry: think about this he would be able to talk to his general and say look, we are no longer enemies anymore. i feel like i can trust the united states. i feel like we have a relationship. it changes the dynamic of this relationship. if there's not a war, kim can go to his people, you know what we

don't need to invest in nuclear weapons anymore and we can start the practice -- practice to denuclearize. it gives him that opportunity. >> tucker: it has always had china is the pivotal player and all of this. what is their position and what do they want? >> harry: i think china is concerned that kim jong un might actually move closer to soul in the united states. remember north korea as a bumper against seoul, u.s. forces that are actually in korea. so the chinese are very worried that someday they will be reunification. let me tell you he reunified south korea would have trillions of dollars and seoul would have a cheap entrepreneurial labor force to actually rebuild. so would be empowered, a powerhouse in china does not want that. so a little worried about china's motives here. >> tucker: so you believe the government of south korea would like to unify the country? >> harry: eventually, unification ministry and scholars on staff researching to try to figure this out.

i think someday it will happen. we may see it in our lifetime. >> tucker: what do you think the president will announce when this is over? >> harry: a piece declaration to end the war and liaison. that is critically important. i know people have found that, tucker, you are giving something up to north koreans. tucker i have never heard of talking as being a concession. that is the neoconservative say and that is garbage to be honest with you. think about, if we were not able to talk to the soviets and walked the way through with ambassadors. we need to be able to talk to adversaries. that is important. we also need to see the full closure of the facility -- the nuclear facility, of the nuclear program. some people say it is older, breaking down but it actually helps the north korean filled hydrogen bombs. i think that his key component. we will see a big announcement in terms of u.s. and north green tea actually going on the ground to battlefield for the korean

war and doing excavation work and working together. those people, very important. >> tucker: will north korea help in some way to apologize to make good for the many misdeeds committed killing otto warmbier, for example, kidnapping japanese citizens and running concentration camps. do you think? >> harry: i think they have to. i think they understand and kim jong un realizes there is a limit to how far the united states can go. denuclearization is important. and let's face it, the north koreans cannot be a regime of the human rights monster. there is no way the united states or donald trump is going to be able to go back to the american public with all of this great news if they aren't willing to change a little. that will happen slowly and it might take years but i think kim gets that. >> tucker: and by asking you a question that i just asked bret baier in hanoi, do you think domestic politics, the attacks on trump by michael cohen today affect the president's ability to negotiate

this deal with north korea? >> harry: know and the reason i say that, i think donald trump understands this is the time to make history. this is a once a once-in-a-lifetime chance to end the korean war and actually have peace. this is the thing, tucker, we set here in 2017, let me tell you, we came close to nuclear war. i think the president will have blinders on and how to bring this home. >> tucker: interesting, thank you very much. on a terrific thing that is happening in hanoi, life images on the screen. the president's summit to avert a possible war on the korean peninsula but the other side of the planet, or is looking more likely by the day. venezuela the socialist government nicolas maduro falling apart and more voices in the u.s. for just our duty to launch an intervention to overthrow him. consequences be. david appraised, to barack obama's presidential campaign joins has come at dave, you very much for coming on.

let me ask you the question that i've asked you syria and libya. how is it america's interest directly to effect regime chains to overthrow the government of nicolas maduro? >> david: i don't agree many people in washington are calling for the u.s. to intervene right now. but the u.s. does -- >> tucker: come back to washington. >> david: i'm in new york and i left washington yesterday. but i do think this administration would like to see regime change and improve sanctions and other sort of soft power techniques. it is pushing for regime change, and i think that is appropriate. the problem is venezuela is completely failed states with authoritarian dictator plunged in the country to complete desperation and creating a very negative them in a tearing situation, refugees who are planning out over latin america, south america and come to the u.s. more.

refugees applied for asylum in the u.s. than any other country this year. it is a problem for america and this hemisphere. and also the human rights problem, several people have been killed at the border. just because other countries trying to bring in food aid, this is something the u.s. has to be concerned about. anytime a country completely becomes a failed state, the way for drugs to come through >> tucker: you don't need to convince me. >> david: i have watched as the left neocons, barack obama, samantha power, hillary clinton toppled and george w. bush, dictator after dictator smoking craters and their weight failed states. so i completely agree with you 100% and what you just said. but why wouldn't overwriting concern be a wave of refugees coming across our border? two left in a country with as many problems as we have? why shouldn't that be job number one with refugees to come to our

country? >> david: i agree with you, but regime change would probably lessen the amount of refugees. i mentioned, tons of refugees coming out of maduro venezuela. and it is only going to get worse until maduro is gone. none of the economic and policies that he put in place have helped. it has made it worse and huge inflation. the economy is dying. and so he has to go. he is no longer legitimate leader and that is why president trump recognizes the opposition -- >> tucker: he is appalling. and as was before him, and a shame so many on the left supported, at the kennedy, bernie sanders. i am not going to sign maduro, why would i? i'm standing back in shock as john bolton the national security advisor encourages various countries to offer sound refugees as republicans in the house or just giving refugee status to venezuela refugees.

why should the united states bear the burden of socialism in venezuela? i'm completely confused. >> david: it is not the burden of socialism. it is the effort to prevent a failed state because they failed state will hurt us. when you talk about an intervention -- >> tucker: am sorry maybe i wasn't clear. why are people in the united states agitating for us to bring in refugees from venezuela? why should we have to pay the price for the insane socialist policies of nicolas maduro? i don't understand. >> david: will come america has a history of bringing refugees. we shouldn't have to shoulder the burden. it should be countries all over the world. refugees all over the world. there are lots of reasons why you need to have refugees to be able to go somewhere else. humanitarian reasons. you also want to support. >> tucker: why would we do that? >> david: you want to support political dissidents pushing for a country to become a democratic country to become a pro-western,

pro-american country so dissidents end up having their lives threatened because they talk positively about america, because they cooperated with america, and they have to leave, running for their lives, they need somewhere to go. that is how we encourage them -- >> tucker: may i ask you a question, are we pretending democracy and i despise the venezuelan government. they are evil. >> david: we agree on that. >> tucker: why are we pretending every go around the country should be democracy? do we want it in jordan, saudi arabia? that is 2003 talking point that has turned out to be ridiculous. we don't want democracy in the world, that shouldn't be the goal, what are you talking about? >> david: it's been a bipartisan policy. >> tucker: i know, that is the problem. >> david: i know. >> david: that goes all the way back to our founding fathers, tucker. they support us but they were not neocons. >> tucker: people should be able to decide who their leaders are.

>> david: and freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of press. those are things venezuela does not have. >> tucker: okay, but hold on, why are we pretending that democracy is a panacea? we know from experience in iraq where we toppled the dictator and impose a democracy onto -- that did not work at all and to make a run more powerful. so the talking point, you think it ought to go to come i'm pulling this out of the air. or no? >> david: it is like someone said democracy is the worst form of government except for every other one. democracy is imperfect. >> tucker: really. >> david: it supports our values. right now, basically in competition with china and russia. we have a very different vision for the world. they are not democratic countries. they don't believe in democracy.

they believe in form of -- >> tucker: okay, all right. we are beating russia i guess. >> david: democracy goals and becomes authoritarian countries, that ultimately will threaten us. that democracy. >> tucker: i'm sorry, but that is not true. really quick. do you like jordan to become a democracy? it is a dictate -- dictatorship do we want to have free and fair elections in jordan tomorrow? >> david: eventually come eventually all of these countries are moving towards democracy. even a place like jordan is becoming more democratic. >> tucker: let's hope not. [laughter] >> david: i'm on the king side they are come i'm sorry. i'm not for it. call me names, great to see you, david. >> david: nice to see you tucker. >> tucker: henry joins us with more in hanoi right now. and something interesting has

happened, it -- he will know about it. >> do i have an interesting nugget, you see the motorcade arriving at the hotel, french classical colonial style and they had talks they are day one yesterday. day two expecting maybe even a chat between these two leaders. here is what is interesting to note that the motorcade, the beast just arrived and $1.5 million for the president of the united states limo. and all the security concerns, the tires come over things especially done by gm and cadillac. we did some digging, kim jong un limo is how the pictures of synchronized swimmers and around him, mercedes made fact that cost $1.6 million in ways that significant? they manufacture a small number of cars in north korea and that mercedes made that they are with the synchronized swimmers running around, they manufacture cars in north korea that are

only worth about $10,000, okay? the average annual income north korea is $1300. it gives you some perspective, a, kim jong un as he enters these talks with president trump may be a little nervous. when i open about a not so tight grip on power because he has people making $1300 a year as an average annual income in his country. he's writing around $1.6 million mercedes made back and the other point, a taste for capitalism. you mentioned this a few moments ago with bret. he wants the finer things in life. he wants to perhaps see market reforms in north korea and get a taste what it is like for the wealthier folks in vietnam which ones have been the economy in the pits as well like north korea now and would like to see it all open up. this is the person that president trump is sitting down with to try to force peace talks. >> tucker: amazing. i think at one point,

north korea was the largest consumer of cognac. >> david: yesterday dutch officials were told sees 80,000 bottles of vodka that were headed for kim jong un's inner circle in north korea. because of the sanctions come of course you cannot bring that vodka in. you have to wonder, did they think they were about to celebrate some sort of big deal with 80,000 bottles of vodka? even if world peace, that is a lot of vodka. >> tucker: that is a lot of vodka a russian level would vodka. want to play, we have some sound for you it that i want you to react to. donald trump after the first north korean summit, watch. >> i want to thank chairman kim to take a bold step towards a bright new future for his people. unprecedented meeting, the first between an american president and a leader of north korea.

proves that real change is, indeed, possible. my meeting with chairman kim was honest, direct and productive. we got to know each other very well in a very combined period of time under very strong, strong circumstances. we are prepared to start a new history and we are ready to write a new chapter between our nations. as history has proven over and over again, adversaries can indeed become friends. we can honor the sacrifice of our forefathers by replacing the wars of battle with the blessings of peace. >> tucker: so do, what is striking about that. i wouldn't call his tone warm but the president dared to talk about leader of north korea and as a human being. he took some criticism for that. do you expect similar posture after today's meeting? >> ed: absolutely. a few hours ago when they first sat down and had handshakes and what was day one, they

basically, president trump was saying we have such a warm relationship. i think we surprised the world with that but of course they have written lovey-dovey letters. at one point president trump said on the campaign trail before the midterm that they fell in love. you are right that sort of raises eyebrows the human rights record of kim jong un. 100,000 people in north korea, the goulash system as we speak. on the other hand if you want to make peace have to deal with bad actors on the world stage and that is the bargain this president is dealing with. i want to point out something, nicholas kristof in "the new york times," one of the guys we are supposed to be told is so smart on foreign policy in the research for this trip aprie north korea trumps nightmare and elites as president trump is scary in many ways but perhaps the most frightening nightmare is him blundering us into a new korean war. tucker, that was april 2017. so my point is, all the smart people on foreign policy have

been wrong again and again about president trump particularly his approach in north korea. to your point, it is not right when you have to jump into bed with someone like kim jong un but if he comes out of this with some kind of measure of peace come i think the smart people have been proven wrong. >> tucker: i think they are administering an inverse iq test at the hdr department in new york. [laughter] it is great to see you, add to thank you for that. for more reaction to the president eminent summit with kim jong un of north korea, joined by former state department senior advisor christian, great to see you tonight, how would you describe the significance of what we are watching on the screen right now? >> christian: well, it is a big deal but it may not be as big as some people are making and a lot a lot of weird expectations out there come a lot of people who said and they said this when kim went to singapore. oh, my code, all the capitalism and he will want this for his

people. i really don't think that. he actually went to a fancy boarding school in switzerland before when he was young. he has seen parts of the world and he knows his system doesn't deliver for his people. he doesn't actually care about that. he is a dictator. and you are similar lacing expectations that people saying donald trump has lost. he has given up on total denuclearization and he will just accept some peace deal for the appearance of it. consider that some big victory. i don't think that is realistic either. i think donald trump wants to win not as p.r. photo up but in a railway. some of the expectations are wrong but really they are gonna do is try to work for incremental steps at disarmament including things like boring things, inspections, discussions about plutonium 2:30 nine in uranium 2:30 five and things like that. >> tucker: that is the benchmark that you would set for victory if tomorrow or whatever this finishes, we are told they

have agreed to some sort of inspection, regimen and future talks, that is a win? >> christian: no come i don't think so but sort of the idea which is here finished nuclear weapons, here is our stockpile and central fusions, here is all of the nuclear waste, which is actually fuel that can be processed into warhead material. you can have all of that. that is unlikely but i think something that is significant timeline. singapore was a meeting of the minds between trump and kim on the in-state, the sequencing. they want sanctions released, economic assistance from south korea. we want the nuclear material. it is sequencing and sort of those things can happen in parallel. also, some process will be decided below the leader level. if you talk to people, they actually are in communication with north koreans. north koreans are afraid to make decisions for good reason because if they make a mistake

they they could be executed. >> tucker: it seems like it's, if i am a small backward hermit kingdom, and all i have is nuclear weapons, it is probably the last thing i ever want to give up. >> christian: exactly, right. they have a big army but we have seen the defector, who crossed the dmz. these are young men who are like on the brink of starvation. they often have to pay for their own uniforms. this is not an army to march into south korea or actually depend north korea from a conventional war. they have seen what our weapons can do in other places and i'm not trying to defend what they have done for the way they run the country but yes, what is the difference between north korea and another sort of hard dumpy dictatorship like belarus? there one ship in the game and they will not give it away explicitly. >> tucker: what do you think china wants? >> christian: china, you know come i think always appreciated north korea.

they say they don't want north korea to be denuclearize. i know they will never be used on china. sort of like trick little cousins that causes problems for their enemies which is us. above her, i think the chinese know we will not invade asian with 20,000 guys we have in south korea. you have to add two you are rose to be a significant spirit so i don't think they need a buffer. they like it as a distraction. it distracts the world and makes north korea enemy number one instead of china. sometimes that backfires if we move with the pacific because of north korea with missile defense system we gave to south korea last year. that is china but they appreciate north korea. >> tucker: i bet they do. that is the kind of people they are. christian, great to see you. >> christian: thanks tucker. >> tucker: a senior fellow at hoover institution institution and he's been watching all of the insanity today and joins us tonight. thank you so much for wha comin.

the broadest question, what did you make of michael cohen testimony of judy for today? >> there was only a value for two reasons may anything to say about russia, collusion. did he harm, change our opinion of donald trump and -- donald trump's method of operation? he already lied about collusion and family other expected he go to prague or not and obviously he didn't. he had no reason to lie about that. i think it was a 36 hour phenomenon and more importantly as you heard from your guests, it was stage to take away attention from korea in the short term and the long term, part of 25th amendment, the suing of the boeing machines, and designed to take donald trump's down to below 40%, but i say about korea if i could. why these talks have failed

under bush and clinton and obama. we didn't think x essential threat now but now we know there is with western cities so trump is much more urgent and serious and second, we have this crazy appeasing idea of china that they were on the project rate to the family of nations. the more we appease them and the more rich they have got, the more reasonable they are. trump does not buy into that. he is pressing china with tariffs and finally, we always gave up on sanctions. they are eating grass. or we have to be careful about the innocent north korean people. they don't rate when considering losing importance. i think trump brilliantly put it in vietnam with the backdrop this was an opportunity of the united states, its communists and doing much better than you are. in with china and you don't have to be close to china and we will not invade it.

and so we probably won't invade you and you can become vietnam. the stick is, do you really want to live in a neighborhood with nuclear japan, taiwan, south korea because they may well go nuclear if you do. and then china not the descendant but a setting sun. and we are the ascendant power. and we are doing pretty well in missile defense and even if you did weaponize these weapons and a way ballistic missiles could hit us, we could knock them down. so it is a good carat for you and a bad stick for you. you can decide. we suggest you look at what is going on in vietnam. and that might be what you want to consider. i think it is dumb ready well and michael koman in comparison to all of that. it is more of the psychodrama every 48 hours about donald trump on the left. >> tucker: if trump comes back from hanoi with some sort of

framework, some kind of deal, that ds collates for the near future of their relationship with north korea, he will be the first president to have done that in 65 years. will that, do you think counter this win for him? i'm not whining how they are being unfair to trumpet a fair question. i don't like the guy, but kind of impressive. >> victor: i think it is cumulative, tucker, and admired him getting out and when you look back at it, moving the embassy to jerusalem. defeating isis and almost annihilating isis, the iran sponsors realized it was flawed. people realize nato needed to pay more and $100 million and so i think cumulative people are saying, you know what if you look at the entire trump record under secretary of state pompeo, it is getting better and it's already good. so we will get credit for it. in contrast to all the other

stuff has failed. all of these drama, melodrama is whether mccabe the 25th amendment, they have gone nowhere. and they look smaller and smaller and trump is looking bigger and bigger. >> tucker: it is awfully come -- repetitive i have to say. thank you very much, great to see you as it always is. >> victor: thank you. >> tucker: ed henry is still in hanoi in vietnam by choice and joins us with a timeline and breakdown of what we expect to see over the next 24 hours, ed. >> ed: tucker both leaders at the metropolitan hotel in hanoi and the bottom line and about 5 minutes, we expect them to sit down behind closed doors and let reporters come in and take pictures with another handshake as we saw in day one. about 45 minutes after that, they will add more people like secretary of state mike pompeo. i think the key is about 11:55 p.m. tonight eastern time so about noon here locally in vietnam, we are expecting a

working lunch. another meal. remember these two leaders with aides and advisors had a dinner last night that the president said was going to be relatively quick. instead, it went about two hours or so. so that suggest maybe they were getting to know each other a little bit more and may be getting some business done. the real key is that roughly in the middle of the night where you are come about 2:00 a.m. eastern time, we anticipate that there could be some sort of a ceremony where they sign a document like they did in singapore. the question what will be on that document? you can see the president now and chairman kim meeting again. the key is going to be, do they sign an agreement that officially ends the korean war? do they do something deeper that moves to denuclearization with specificity? we will be alive all night starting one it -- 1:00 a.m. eastern taking through a couplef hours through the signing ceremony and then of course the

president doing an interview with fox sean hannity and anticipate how it all goes, the president may do a news conference with the international press corps. all of that life on the fox news channel all night long. >> tucker: pretty amazing pictures they are. you are lucky to be there. thanks a lot for the update to come appreciate it. >> ed: sharon, thank you. >> tucker: we watch these pictures out of hand no -- hanoi, kim and president trump together, all that is going on paying attention to the news ths afternoon on capitol hill, a former lawyer you're congress all day long and came up with no evidence of russian collusion. so -- i'm sorry, we are going to stop. >> when you have a good relationship a lot of good things happen. so i can't speak necessarily for today, but a little bit longer

and i know a fantastic success. with respect to chairman of north korea. we will have economic powerhouse. i've been writing about it and it's going to be a powerhouse. it is something i look forward to, because with a little bit of help in the right location and the right place, i think it will be something special. [speaking in foreign language]

>> tucker: we are waiting for the translation and of course, this is a live picture of the president and the north korean dictator. from the beginning that speed is not that important for me. i appreciate no testing of nuclear rocket missiles. any of it. very much appreciate it. i've let him say what he said if he'd like to. he doesn't have to. but we had a very good talk about that last night. again, i am in no rush. we don't want the testing. we've developed something very special with respect to that. but i just want to say i greatly respect chairman kim and great respect for this country. i believe that it will be something economically that will be almost hard to compete with for many countries it has such

potential. [ speaking foreign language ]. >> tucker: something almost nobody six months ago would have thought possible and it's happening right now on your screen. we're going to hand it over to sean hannity in hanoi tonight. >> sean: we're going right back to the beginning of the summit in historic hanoi, vietnam. [ speaking foreign language ] [ speaking foreign language ]