ultimately, sandra, whether or not he wants that. i will see you next week in new york. >> sandra: really appreciate coverage from there, bill. it was great. i enjoyed those shots of you in the streets there, as well. we will see you back here monday. safe travels. thank you for joining us. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> melissa: fox news alert, president trump is now heading back to washington from vietnam after cutting short his second summit with north korea's kim jong un amid a disagreement over sanctions and just how far the regime was willing to go in dismantling its nuclear program. this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here today, we partner on the couch, harris faulkner. town hall editor and fox news contributor, katie pavlich. fox news analyst and cohost of benson and rf on fox news radio, marie harf. and joining us on the couch, i can't think of a better man for today than this one. fox news senior strategic analyst and retired four-star general, jack keane. thank you so much for joining us. >> gen. keane: it's a pleasure

to be back. >> melissa: we had a great time before the show talking about your experiences in vietnam and getting your take on kim jong un. i can't wait to share that with our audience, he's got a lot of great things to say. thank you for being here. >> gen. keane: looking forward to it. >> melissa: the high stakes second north korea summit ending earlier with no agreement reached. president trump saying the u.s. would not give in to the demand that all sanctions be lifted in order to secure the closure of its main nuclear facility. maintaining hopes that the meeting set the stage for a deal down the road. here secretary of state mike pompeo and the president before they departed in vietnam. >> it was a very interesting two days. actually, it was very productive two days. sometimes you have to walk. this was just one of those times. >> i'm hopeful the teams will get back together and the days and weeks ahead and continue to work out what is a very complex problem. we have said since the beginning that this would take time. >> basically they wanted the

sanctions lifted in their entirety, and we couldn't do that. >> melissa: a short time ago, the ranking democrat member on the foreign relations committee, bob menendez, sing the strategy is putting the u.s. in a worse position. >> what we saw in hanoi was amateur hour with nuclear weapons at stake. the limits of reality tv diplomacy. what i worry about is that the president, by giving kim jong un the international not only recognition but almost acceptance, going from pariah to an accepted international leade leader, has squandered the leverage that we have. >> melissa: but senate majority leader mitch mcconnell applauding the president's strategy along with his decision today to pull out of the summit. >> it was smart, to bring kim jong un to singapore and to vietnam.

to expose the north korean delegation to the kind of economic prosperity that could be possible if he were to choose a new path. high level diplomacy can high level risk, but the president should be committed to walking away when it became clear in sufficient progress has been made on denuclearization. >> melissa: and many democratic lawmakers are also crediting the president for not taking a bad deal. chief political anchor bret baier, host of special report, joins us live from hanoi vietnam. thank you so much for joining us and sticking around. let me ask you. in business, this is the walk away. the point that you reset the negotiation, when you stand up from the table and you walk away. is that what it felt like a bear? that's what it looks like from here. >> i think you're hearing it administration officials behind the scenes saying that they feel good about this decision. that this was the right move. because kim didn't deliver. they look at singapore as

establishing a relationship between the two leaders. they looked at this, getting a road map to deliverables. it didn't happen. because didn't come to the table with everything, the u.s. said,k for us," and walked away. the president put it pretty well in the news conference to state the point that there was not going to be a release of the sanctions unless the u.s. got everything it wanted. i do think there is a lot of investment in this relationship, and the way the president talks about kim jong un has been unsettling for some who look at this guy as a brutal dictator -- which he is -- but as far as the people on capitol hill who are in the national security seek c, i think they are breathing a sigh of relief that a bad deal didn't get across the finish line. >> harris: wayne gretzky, the great hockey player, used to say, "you miss all the shots you don't take." the president took a couple shocks. he sat down with this dictator.

where does this put us on the world stage come in the world view? >> virus, it puts us that missiles are still not flying. tests are not going. the relationship was not storming off at the end. there is the prospect at least of moving negotiations forward, but not a date set. i think mitch mcconnell put it really well, that there's going to be a long train ride for kim jong un back to pyongyang to think about what was left on the table. he is here in vietnam for two more days. there is probably a lot of pressure from china and south korea to get something together on this front. the president, in the meantime, says, "we did what we could do, we are moving on." it has been mentioned here and at the news conference that reagan did at reykjavik and iceland. this is a different scenario. a different leader. and this is the decision these two leaders came to. >> harris: bret, fantastic job leading our coverage half a world away. come home. we look forward to it.

thank you. >> all right, we will see. >> melissa: general, let me ask you -- it's difficult when you stand up and do the walk away. you have to give the other side, there has to be a way to come back together. it also has to seem real at the same time. the emu that, and it's not just a ploy. what are your thoughts on this? >> gen. keane: first of all, i think it's largely a positive step as opposed to a setback. with the united states has done is really stick out its claim. there's been some media reporting that there was a belief president trump, what he really wanted was normalization of relations with north korea, to permit them to keep their nuclear weapons as long as there was no threat. >> melissa: that wasn't the case, it turns out that reporting was bad. >> gen. keane: we know that denuclearization is on the table and is not granted get taken off the table. till they are willing to commit to it and actually see some results of it. so that is a very good thing. too much is being made of the

personal diplomacy thing. this is the president's style. reagan and gorbachev had personal diplomacy, and they like one another. they had five meetings. the second meeting is when reagan walked away. it was that reykjavik. he put on the table as the prize, "i want you to take down the strategic defense initiative or we are going forward." he went home to have dinner with nancy. he wanted to get home in time for dinner. one of the humorous stories that happened in big power diplomacy. it took five meetings, and finally the most significant reduction in nuclear weapons took place because of the relationship that they established and the self interest that each country had. it also led to the major transformation of the soviet union. where are we? we are in the beginning of this process. i think there will be multiple meetings between the two, and we will see where this goes. his kim jong un, 20 years to

develop these missiles pretties got 40 or 50 50 of them. really trail that for economic prosperity? i suspect not. will he treated for security and safeguard that there would not be taking down of the regime and maybe economic prosperity? there's a possibility of that. if to maintain a healthy skepticism about this whole thing. >> melissa: it seems to me that the proposition before him is, how do you best hold on to power? is a buy better economics or keeping your nukes? you can't have both. and we have to assume that his goal is to hold onto power. can the president make the case that he is more likely to hold on to power with good economics versus nukes? >> gen. keane: it's an interesting question you pose. certainly, he has hard-liners in his country. just before the first singapore

summit, it was interesting -- he fired his top generals. he brought in younger ones take their place. which got my interest because that meant they are more beholden to him. if he's going to make change, he needs them to support him. kim jong un can't move too quickly. if he goes too quickly he's going to lose the support of his hard-liners. it puts them at risk. >> harris: yes, because they off the people they don't agree with. it's the hard-liners i want to ask you about. they want all the sanctions lifted for the closure of north korea's main nuclear complex. we are never going to agree to that. but who is his audience for that kind of a demand? is a people inside his country? can they really think he can do kind of a deal? >> gen. keane: this is a deal he made in the past and it's already been successful. they've offered to take down facilities in the past in exchange for relief on sanctions, and the promise that we can denuclearize our weapons. and then never fill the promise. why wouldn't he plane the same deal? it always works.

it always worked. i'm certain the hard-liners around him said, "put it on the table." it seems like president trump really wants the deal. he's got some issues at home. and it blew up in their faces. there will be another round, here. it will be very different. >> marie: i think it's interesting, to test the proposition of how much like gorbachev kim jong un actually is. and of the intelligence community when i was looking at that exact question. how far is he willing to push? how much is he willing to change north korea, in what has relied so much has relied on nuclear weapons, to relieve the sanctions? it's also a question about prospects. when you elevate it to the present level, there's more work done behind the scenes at the secretary of state level, the expert level, to set the table for a final deal. it's clear that a lot of those issues -- what denuclearization means, for example, with the pace of relief on sanctions will be -- those weren't worked out before presidential level

meeting. now the process will be, how do we work this out at a lower level before you elevated again where we can hopefully get something? those have to be addressed. >> harris: i've been told by sources that they were worked out on our side, katie. it is not on their side on the ball keeps moving as to what denuclearization means for kim jong un. >> katie: the north koreans will continue to test the united states, as they have since we've had this issue their nuclear capability. them testing how far we were willing to go with their missile testing. one part of this that has not been discussed as much is domestic implications for kim jong un. we are talking about this from an international perspective with our allies. denuclearization. but when it comes to a new economy, more of a free market, it's very difficult to square the circle on kim jong un continuing to be this tyrannical figure in his country while people have some kind of economic freedom. because one in ten people in north korea are slaves. millions of people why they are, they are in gulags. this is going to require a

complete turnover of their society and culture. that does not happen in one or two meetings. that happens over the period of a number of years, even decades. so that is another consideration -- we haven't even really talk about that, from a human rights perspective. the president gave kim jong un the benefit of the doubt when it came to -- that's what he says. >> melissa: we don't know -- >> katie: we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. he may be saying that as a way to make sure it's on the table. but there's a lot domestically that has to be thought out. in addition to denuclearization. >> melissa: it's hard to believe mike pompeo would show up without all his ducks in a row. it's hard to tell. >> marie: but you need it for diplomacy. >> melissa: that was harris' point. >> gen. keane: the koreans would meet with us until just a few weeks ago. so it wasn't that we didn't try. >> melissa: coming up in the next hour, harris will talk more about the summit with someone who knows north korea as well as

anyone. he has been there several times. for if you former u.s. ambassador to the admissions, bill richardson. coming up on 20 don't ask me 26 at the top of the art. we look forward to that. attendance going between nuclear arms rivals india and pakistan after an indian fighter pilot is shot down and captured. the president has said the u.s. is involved in trying to ease the tensions. we have the latest on that. plus, former trump attorney michael cohen back on capitol hill today after an explosive hearing yesterday where he rips the president while republicans slam his credibility. what it means politically and legally. >> this is step one in the democrats' crazy effort to impeach the president of the united states, and the best they could come up with is the guy who is going to prison in two months for lying to congress. ♪ alright, i brought in

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just say get "dragon tickets". >> harris: this is breaking news, we are awaiting a news conference with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu after the attorney general announced that he intends to indict the prime minister on corruption charges pending a final hearing. this comes after two years of investigations into netanyahu and his wife. israel's attorney general says the charges include one count of bribery, two counts of fraud, and breach of trust. this would mark the first time in israel's history that a sitting prime minister is charged with a crime. the prime minister has denied any wrongdoing and will speak about the charges at the top of the next hour. former trump attorney michael cohen back on capitol hill today. this is day three of testimony, this time behind closed doors come but without the intelligence committee. this, after yesterday's dramatic public hearing before the house oversight committee where cohen ripped his former boss.

president trump hit back at cohen and blasted the democrat-led committee over the timing of yesterday's hearing during his second north korea summit. watch it. >> i tried to watch as much as i could. i wasn't able to watch too much because i've been a little bit busy. but i think having a fake hearing like that and having it in the middle of this very important summit is really a terrible thing. he lied a lot, but it was very interesting because he didn't lie about one thing. he said no collusion with the russian hoax. >> harris: but democratic senator richard blumenthal believes cohen's testimony is just the beginning of a new round of investigations into the president's activities. >> his testimony was highly incriminating, explosive, a bombshell in the leads that should provide if corroborated by other witnesses and document documents. plainly, he laid out a road map

of criminality committed by the president that needs to follow not only by the special counsel but by other prosecuting offices. right now no aspect of trump world is not under investigation. >> harris: so what is going on behind closed doors now? chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge is on capitol hill to get us the news. catherine? >> michael cohen has been in a secure facility by me for about three hours. as you mentioned, this is his third day of testimony and capitol hill. it's important to note that there were a lot of indicators now that the democrats are looking for some side of exit ro investigations that really focus on financial crimes. part of that reason is when you start to unpack michael cohen's testimony from yesterday. first and foremost, cohen's testimony debunked the buzzfeed report that he was directed by

the president to lie to congress about a 2016 moscow trump tower real estate project. cohen testified that the decision to lie was on him. >> i lied to congress for mr. mr. trump to stop negotiating in russia. he did not directly tell me to lead to congress. that is not how he operates. >> cohen's testimony also undercut a central allegation in the trump dossier. the trump dossier was the opposition research that was funded by the dnc and the clinton campaign, and it was really a foundational piece to the fbi's counterintelligence investigation when it opened in july of 2016. michael cohen testified that he never traveled to eastern europe in 2015. >> have you ever been to prague? >> i have never been to prague. >> never have? >> i've never been to the czech republic. >> you testified today that you never been to prague where the czech republic.

these can bind that statement? >> yes, i do. >> one of the most important pieces of testimony as it related to russia and allegations of collusion came from cohen when he talked about a conversation he was part of that involved then-candidate trump, a political operative, roger stone, and stone was relaying information he had gotten from the head of wikileaks, julian assange. he says the conversation took place in the summer of 2016. >> he told mr. trump that he had gotten off the phone with julian assange and that mr. assange told mr. stone that within a couple of days they would be a massive dump of emails that would damage hillary clinton's campaign. mr. trump responded, to the effect, "wouldn't that be great?" >> there is a line of questioning that was also important because the questioner. it came from debbie wasserman schultz. she was, if you will, a victim

of the acts as the head of the dnc. she wanted to try and draw this connection between roger stone, who was apparently talking or communicating with wikileaks, to the trump campaign. here is that exchange. >> was mr. stone a free agent reporting back to the president what he had done? or was he an agent of the campaign acting on behalf of the president and with his apparent authority? >> no, he was a free agent. >> a free agent that was reporting back to the president what he had done? >> correct. >> the other important point here, harris, is that if you think back to the summer of 2016 there was no public recognition from the u.s. intelligence community that the hacked emails or the work of the russians. again, when you think about those conversations, you can't use the knowledge you have now to go back and say, "therefore there was russian collusion." because that was not known at the time, that connection to wikileaks. >> harris: that's important

information. fascinating. catherine herridge, thank you very much. katie, this would kind of wide and far yesterday. it got into race and also devote categories. does it drill down to know -- the president writes, "there was no collusion. michael cohen said more than once. he didn't have a way to show that. no evidence for that. is that why everyone was in that room yesterday, or was it something else? >> katie: know, democrats wanted to have he went for a couple reasons. to get michael cohen back on the record before he goes to prison. democrats say because he lied to congress it was his obligation to come and clear up some of the things that he said, the statements that he made. this yesterday was a door that they opened to a number of other people. ivanka trump, donald trump jr., a number of the attorneys involved in the trump tower meeting here in washington, d.c. all the people that michael cohen repeatedly named. it was not done by accident. that was done so that democrats can look at the list and say, "who can we subpoena now to ask more questions about the

situations we want some more answers on questioner" lanny davis was sitting beside michael cohen. representing them as his lawyer. the whole thing was highly put go. lenny is of course a hide down like a long time operative for the clintons. the question is, did we learn anything new? we learned there is no collusion according to michael cohen. that is consistent with what the president said. and we learned about the president's character and behavior, but we knew all about that already. in terms of the politics here, i'm not sure it moved anyone on the left or anyone on the right in terms of moving forward. >> harris: the two checks that were featured there, and some of the exhibits -- we did not know those checks have been written to the presidency. that was something. >> katie: that was new, correct. questions around what that was for. michael cohen said it was a reimbursement. the question there is whether there was a violation in terms of election law for those payments. >> harris: marie, why do it this way? usually it's a lot of show and pomp and circumstance. it can be a spectacle. are you really getting much? why don't democrats, for the

most part -- 100% -- take this behind closed doors if they think they can even believe him customer xp five there have been two hearings buying close doors this week and one in the public. we often talk on the sketch about public accountability. i like seeing someone have to -- >> harris: book should we gather the questions first? >> marie: we have gathered a lot of facts paired there are two things i found interesting. one is that he testified he was a witness to other criminal behavior by president trump. that he can't outline public good because of the southern district of new york is currently investing. we don't know what that is, but it gives them insight into the fact -- and this has been remitted discussed by people like andy mccarthy -- that the southern district holds more legal jeopardy. we know they are looking at other threads. i do think there will be followed questions about the wikileaks conversation that cohen testified to. the alleged conversation. donald trump answered questions under oath in response to the special counsel, including, "did you ever discuss wikileaks with roger stone?" and he answered no. if there is evidence to corroborate it -- and that is a

big "if" -- >> harris: that's a big part. because you know you have a known criminal lawyer on deck. so that's the big part. what can you corroborate? at >> marie: we will see. >> harris: we will move on. although the president left vietnam with no deal, history was made when kim jong un took questions from foreign reporters for the very first time. is that in itself a significant step forward? and a sign that the president's approach is working. >> [speaking korean] translator i wouldn't be here right now change that. newday's operation home. it lets veterans buy a home with no down payment and without paying one dollar out of pocket for closing costs. no down payment and not one dollar out of pocket for closing costs. why rent when you can buy? newday's operation home is real. spread the word. go to operationhome.com

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answered. marking the first time that kim jong un has taken questions from foreign journalists ever. watch. [indistinct articles bracket >> ]speaking korean] >> translator: if i'm not willing to do that, it would be here right now >> president trump: we are discussing everything. >> reporter: are you willing to let the united states have an office? >> president trump: that's an interesting question, i would like to hear that answer. >> [speaking korean] >> translator: that is something that we would welcome. >> melissa: wow. what do you think of that? >> gen. keane: [laughs] it's great. i actually think it has something to do with him being around president trump. he is very casual and informal but the media pretty response to questions continuously. he wears his thoughts on his sleeve. speak to our president.

>> gen. keane: has directness. i expect he's had some impact on the sky. also, as the leader of north korea, as much as it is a closed society, he has moved out of the country more than his predecessors have. he has been to china many times, obviously to singapore. he was educated in high school in switzerland so he has some sense of the world beyond north korea. so i think mostly it's -- i know somebody who read the letters that kim jong un has sent to the president. >> melissa: really? >> katie: give us the goods. >> gen. keane: the only thing i can say about it as everybody who has read those letters are surprised by the warmth and affection in those letters. i think, to include the president. it's almost like a father-son relationship. that's what the person has told me who has seen several of the letters. i think that's interesting. i think he is reacting to the president more than anything. >> melissa: is he looking for a way out? maybe that's what that implies, that he has taken over this regime and maybe doesn't feel

like you can hang onto it. and he's looking for a way out. >> harris: i'm thinking you had the nomad. >> katie: i don't think it's real. as much as president trump knows how to work him, taking advantage of the fact that he likes western culture in movies and trying to imply he can have this great economic power and still maintain his own power in the regime, kim jong un is studying the president. i agree with you, i expect he has been studying the white house and the way the press pool asks questions. and thought about the way they might react if he is asked this question sprayed and he decided to answer. so i would be very skeptical of the authenticity of the love between kim jong un and the president. >> melissa: i think that's the first direction, to be very skeptical about the authenticity. but there's also -- i mean, marie, there's got to be another side where he has got to want -- he has to want to believe in his mind that he could survive and have some economic relief. >> marie: i think we should not forget in this conversation

that we are talking about someone who, for the first time, yes, took questions from western journalists that also killed members of his own family. we should bring up reviewers to remember that while we talk about it. >> melissa: we have set it repeatedly. >> marie: and i'm seeing it again. because some of the president's language, because of this relationship they have developed, whether it's about kim jong un in general, i think it concerns people to the president is not entirely clear eyed about the nature of this regime. the reason that matters is that if the president -- >> melissa: that's the way he talks. how do you know that's what's going on in his mind? you're giving kim jong un credit for being duplicitous but you are not giving the president credit for being -- for understanding the nuance. >> marie: all i'm saying is what concerns me is that so much of whether this will succeed is based on whether kim jong un is ready to change his country. >> melissa: right. >> marie: whether he is willing to change the calculation and give up weapons

they spent a lot of money and time developing. that's very much in open intelligence question, and i worry that the president's judgment on that is clouded because of this close relationship that they have developed. overlooking the human rights -- >> harris: you mentioned the word "intelligence." >> marie: that worries me. i'm not crazy. >> harris: how strong is our intelligence on what they have, and does this make it better? >> gen. keane: we have good intelligence on north korea. we don't know everything that is buried under the ground in terms of nuclear weapons, but we know where most things are. when they eventually do give us an inventory of their weapon sites, we will be able to tell very quickly if that list is accurate. because we know so much about what they have. supposedly, as a result of the discussions that they had, you probably read the same thing that i read. that when he disclosed he would be willing to give up his main nuclear enrichment site, the president came back and said, "what about the other two?" and he was taken aback by the

fact that we knew about the other two. we've gotten very good intelligence but it's not perfect intelligence, obviously. because it is so much of a closed society. on your point, listen -- i don't think you have to worry about the president being clear eyed about this guy as a thug. he is a killer. he's one of the most repressione regimes in the world. the president and the team know that as well. his style of personal relationship leading to possibly a positive step forward. i think we make too much of it sometimes. >> melissa: that deal by alexandria ocasio-cortez seems to have democrats in a bit of a pickle. leadership not too quick to embrace the plan. senator mcconnell with a strategy to force them senate democrats to take a stand on it when we are another. >> this is not a debate. it's a diversion. it's a sham. >> what is your plan, leader mcconnell?

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♪ >> i've been reading with some amusement that our friends on the other side seem to be reluctant to vote on the green new deal. if this is such a popular thing to do and so necessary, why would one want to dodge the vot vote? >> marie: senate majority leader mitch mcconnell they're promising a vote on the green new deal as democratic leaders wrestle with how to handle the progressive proposal. if it would force divided democrats to go on the record regarding the plan from congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. senate minority leader chuck schumer reportedly floating the strategy within his caucus to vote "present" to give them political cover. he's also blasting leader mcconnell over forcing this vote. >> i would ask the leader -- and

we will keep asking him and every republican in this chamber -- what they would do about climate change. until leader mcconnell and as republican majority answer those questions, the games they are playing here will have no meaning. this is not a debate. it's a diversion. it's a sham. >> marie: meantime, yesterday house speaker nancy pelosi singh climate change is a top national security issue. watch. >> it is a defense issue. we have the testimony and will then be current with additional current testimony on what it means from the generals and admirals in the national security experts, as to what migration issues are affected by drought and climate issues around the world. >> harris: she said general. >> marie: speaking of that, general, i want to stick on this national security peace. the pentagon has repeatedly said publicly, they said it's a

national security issue and i caught a threat multiplier in some ways. not just that it affects conflicts possibly but also mission readiness. what is your take on that security aspect of climate change? >> gen. keane: i don't think it's a top national security issue, but it clearly has national security implications. we've got 128 military sites around the world. no military compares to that. there are implications there for those sites. we know for a fact that the arctic, the ice is melting. and the maritime implications of that and the natural resources certainly have military implications. russia is moving into that area as a result of it. and we have been slow to react to it. certainly, drought and famine -- there is social unrest but it can cause, and a lack of stability that can create. as people start to move. all of that has security implications. i think it is more long-term than it is near term, to be

frank about it. i worry much more about big power competition with russia and china. and iran's maligned behavior, china dominating the middle east, and the success they have been able to achieve. north korea now no longer threatening to use icbms against us. thankful for that. radical islam is thriving in the world out there. these things concern me a lot more, but i do think we have to keep our eye on this. we have to be intelligent about it. and we should be very informed. >> marie: we even saw in syria at the beginning of the civil war, they were going through a serious famine and drought and there are a lot of people that think that helps -- one of the things that propelled some of this unrest. harris, i want to ask about the politics of this now. mitch mcconnell forcing this vote. he heard chuck schumer say, "if you don't like the green new deal, put forward your own proposal." why haven't they done that? >> harris: that really works within the democratic party, too. i think everybody needs to come up with an idea. if you were in san jose, california, and the last few

days and you saw all that rain and 48 hours, you know that climate change and extremity are something that people are dealing with. unfortunately it has been politicized. you have to be on one side or the other about whether or not the weather is changing one of the climate is changing. if it's your new bride and you are feeling it, you need to put pressure on your people. i would say to chuck schumer, nancy pelosi's and comforting. she's calling it the green dream. she has a lot of suggestions. i think it's in your party, a conversation. you guys are driving with one of her superstars, aoc. >> melissa: are you blaming the conflict in syria on the environment rather than on bashar al-assad? >> marie: no, there are a number of people that look at when the unrest started. >> melissa: not because band? >> marie: can i finish customer please, melissa. before you start laughing about this. national security analyst have looked at this and said one of the reasons people were willing to go fight against the regime of the contributed attributed -

there was a famine and drought in the country and they were met the government wasn't addressing it. often civil war start because a very personal issues. the reason a tunisian fruit vendor started the arab spring by setting himself on fire was the economic issues. it absolutely is connected to one of the reasons that there were people willing to stand up to the regime, then he cracked down. that's a fact. >> melissa: and what is the response to famine? >> katie: not every scientist in in the community agrees that climate change is only man-made. i'm from arizona, the grand canyon used to be under the ocean. the climate changes over billions of years. we are the ones polluting. talk to china and india. the way the military gets around is through gas and fossil fuels. >> harris: to further that, katie -- kind of on the heels of what i was saying. personal expenses what we are talking about. that's with the politicization has been so negative about. do we need the root cost only be

men and women on the planet? can we accept the fact that on the entree to the last ice age it looked a little bit what we are feeling right now? i don't know anybody who can control an ice age. >> melissa: exactly. >> harris: that it doesn't mean it's not real. >> marie: and it won't ruin the economy. new developments, this is in ia boring story. as to nuclear neighbor no space off. pakistan sang able release a fiery pilot. what this means retention in the region. general jack keane on what he expects. he won't want to miss it. station. ♪

♪ >> katie: new developments amid high tensions between two nuclear armed countries. pakistan pledging to release a captured pilot from india after saying yesterday that it downed two indian fighter jets paid all this amid growing tensions over the long-disputed region of kashmir. more skirmishes arrived today. the prime minister calling the pilots release a goodwill gesture, and saying that he wants to de-escalate the situation. president trump addressing the situation before leaving vietna

vietnam. >> i think hopefully that's going to be coming to an end. it's been going on for a long time. decades and decades. there's a lot of dislike, unfortunately. so we have been in the middle trying to help them both out. see if we can get some organization and some peace. i think probably that is going to be happening. >> katie: any time you hear about two nuclear armed countries being in conflict, it's a little bit alarming. people might feel a little relief talking about how we've been involved in negotiations. where do you see this going, and whether it will de-escalate? >> gen. keane: i think will be defused as a result of pakistan's action to release the pilot. listen, their militaries are very significant here. india has over 4 million, one of the largest militaries in the world. pakistan has almost 1 million. they are armed with thousands of tanks, fighter aircraft, et cetera. this is the first time in

decades that they have had an air battle paid normally the exchange artillery. that is an escalation in and of itself. that said, there are two leaders -- in india and also in pakistan, probably two of the more capable leaders they've had in years. i don't think this will get out of control. the issue really is here that the indians feel the pakistani do not do enough to deal with the radical islamists that are operating in pakistan. and they conduct operations against the indians. they went in and conducted an operation against paramilitary and killed about 30 to 40 of them, which then was a catalyst for the air strike against pakistan. this is an old festering issue for some time. not easily resolved, to be frank. >> katie: on the issue, the united states is obviously involved in de-escalating the nuclear side of this. but we have an interest in pakistan in fighting terrorism there. real quickly, what is your perspective on that side of

that? the u.s. impact on this de-escalation? >> gen. keane: pakistan, for the first time, sees that in their national interest, they are not continuing to support the status quo in afghanistan. which means the taliban trying to overthrow the regime. so they have forced the taliban to go to the peace table. that is a positive step. they are talking to us, they have yet to talk to the afghan government. which is a major issue. but this positive step being taken is largely because pakistan, its economy is in the tank. they finally see that this war that has been taken place and afghanistan is no longer in their interest. >> katie: thank you, jack keane. jack moment. my team helps veterans buy a home without paying one dollar out of pocket for closing costs. go to operationhome.com or call 1-855-224-5282 if you're a veteran paying 1500 dollars or more a month in rent,

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hear. a positive note. thank you to both of you, as well. we are back here at noon eastern tomorrow. for now, here's harris. >> harris: breaking news at this hour as we await remarks from the embattled israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu. we believe these would be his first public responses to the israel the attorney general's decision to indict netanyahu on corruption charges pending a hearing. let's go "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. the decision follows two years and investigation. if the indictments move forward, it would be the first time in israel's history that a sitting pair minister has been charged with a crime. all of this, as netanyahu faces a tight reelection race. trey yingst's life for us in jerusalem on this story. >> permits her neck now will be in and the other has to do with them bribery, and the others or breach of trust and fraud. according to documents released