new pod cast up today. it's really good. my interview with the secretary of state mike pompeo. the "story" goes on back here tomorrow night. tucker carlson is up next. >> ♪ >> ♪ >> tucker: welcome to "tucker carlson tonight" "tucker carlson tonight." we have seen a lot of change in the 2 years trump has been president. the american media has changed forever. these organizations that seemed like a big deal 5 years ago are extinct and some forgotten. those that remain degraded themselves beyond recognition like the new yorker or they have been purchased to conduct lobbying for amazon.com like the "washington post." not so long ago america had prestige media outlets.

harvard graduates went to work for newsweek. not anymore. teen vogue has a news division and so does a blog called buzz feed. if you are an affluent single person who likes cats, then you know and love buzz feed. when a buzz feed headline commands you to stop everything and watch this, you do. you stop everything and you watch that cat. when buzz feed offers a trademark cat quiz, you take the quiz. what kind of purs-anality does your cat have? take this quiz. meow! you think you know a lot about cats. buzz feed knows more. all on questions feline buzz feed is the final authority. what happens when buzz feed tries to do real news. in 2017 we found out. releasing the trump dossier, it

was unverified gossip financed by the dnc by president-elect trump. many other news outlets saw the dossier but passed on it. but not buzz feed. they thought it was purr-fect so they ran it. 2 years ago later the buzz feed dossier defines the entire trump russian collusion conspiracy tale. a lot of dossier is untrue. for example, one key claim in the dossier that buzz feed ran was that the trump attorney michael cohen held secret meetings with russian agents in prague. they never offered any evidence and last week michael cohen himself confirmed it never happened. >> have you ever been to prague? >> never have. never been to the czech republic. >> tucker: that seems like a big development.

2 years ago buzz feed told us that michael cohen held a secret meeting with russian spies in prague. we have been hearing that about ever since in congress and on cable news. he halted the normal workings of government because of that meeting. now it turns out it never took place. it's not a small thing to learn from michael cohen. how did buzz feed cover this latest stunning development? they didn't cover it. they ignored it. buzz feed floated a story about 21 life changing things you can make in a waffle maker. there was nothing about the non-existent michael cohen russian spy meeting in practicing. -- prague. a lot of people in the media only read buzz feed and not just for cat coverage. buzz feed published a story with this sentence. president trump directed his

long time attorney michael cohen to lie to congress about building a trump tower in moscow. buzz feed did not show that was true. it didn't matter. the cat lovers on cable news went crazy. >> it would be a bombshell. >> the latest report. >> a bombshell report. >> from buzz feed. >> if this is true. >> the bombshell report. >> tucker: it was really a bombshell. sometimes it was. the claim was directing someone to lie under oath is a felony. this been true the trump presidency would have ended for a legitimate reason. but it was not true. it was like the claim that cat sucks breath from baby or a black cat brings bad luck. the mueller investigation itself bad down buzz feed's story after this came out.

buzz feed never retracted the piece. the site pretended that nothing happened. you can yell at a cat but can't make it pay attention. the key quotes from the january buzz feed story. trump directed michael cohen to lie to congress and the president personally instructed him to lie." and one again, the first example of trump telling a subordinant to lie about his own dealings with russia. that's the claim. democratic members of congress asked michael cohen last week about that specific claim. cohen was under oath at the time. a declared enemy of donald trump. not someone who had any reason to lie. here's how he responded. >> mr. trump did not tell me to lie to congress. that's not how he operates.

>> tucker: okay. make sure we have this clear. trump directed michael cohen to lie. he personally instructed him to lie. he explicitly told him. those are the claims from buzz feed. did michael cohen really do that? here's his act again. >> did the president in any way coach you in terms of how to respond to questions or the contents of your testimony before a house committee? >> again it's difficult to answer. he doesn't tell you what he wants. what he does, again, michael, there is no russia. there is no collusion. there is no interference. i know what he means because i have been around him for so long. if you are asking me whether or not that's the message on point, that's the party line that he created that so many others are now touting, yes, that's the message he wanted to reinforce.

>> tucker: that's the message. michael cohen said that trump claimed there was no russian collusion and no interference in the 2016 presidential election. that's exactly what trump has been telling the world for 2 years. every day in a loud voice to anyone who will listen. buzz feed claims that this is somehow proof its original story was accurate. ben smith is the editor and chief of buzz feed news. he was game enough to join us. we are grateful to join us. not his first time on the show. i am thankful you came. first the dossier. this is a sincere question. you publish the dossier and we debated whether that was a wise move but you did. we learned in the testimony that cohen did not go to prague.

we only believed he went to prague because you ran the story. you never ran a follow-up story informing your readers of that. why? >> that's totally false. in weeks of publishing the dossier, we were reaching out to cohen and we photographed the inside of his passport. we published his denial that he went to practicing. >> tucker: hold on. i just read that story 20 minutes ago. >> [overlapping talking]. >> tucker: i just read the story you published. it did not say because you didn't have evidence that he didn't go to practicing. -- prague. last week we had him under oath saying he didn't go to prague. that's one of the headlines out of the hearing. yet you ignored it. since you published the dossier

don't you have the obligation to tie the bow and tell us what happened in the end? >> we covered the hell out of that. >> tucker: if i read a story -- >> i am surprised you think that cohen's latest statement makes it more of a fact. it was not a new development. >> tucker: we get to ask michael cohen in public. he has ever reason to tell us if yes, he went to prague and everything you think about trump is true. he hates trump. now he can tell us the truth. he tells us the opposite, no hoo did not go. the dossier claimed -- carter page's life was destroyed -- that he received 11 billion dollars from a russian energy company in a deal. he didn't. i don't think buzz feed ever told us that. why not?

>> we published the dossier at the time not because we had been able to stand up or knock down every allegation. we said unverified document and it's important public document at the heart of an feb. investigation. when we talked about this last time i got the impression you agreed with that. nunes said there was a secret document. it makes my case but you are not allowed to see it. you would be able to make the arguments you made about christopher steele and the people on the other side saying this document will scald your eyes out if you look at it. >> tucker: i get it. i said it at the time, i think that's not a crazy argument to make. >> i agree with you. >> tucker: in favor of openness. you are a journalist and not simply a guy who runs a

platform. you are not running google. you are running a news site. you inject these claims and don't follow-up. if i run a piece by your neighbor saying ben shot somebody, don't i have an obligation when you get acquitted to cover that story. why doesn't you? >> some of them are very, very hard to confirm or knock down. discussions between vladimir putin and his aide. cohen was straightforward. >> tucker: and carter page's life was destroyed. he can't get a job. considered a russian spy and never been charged with anything. your dossier added to the perspension -- perception he is not a loyal person. you talked about the trump tower in moscow and this guy lives with this claim against his name and you have not corrected it.

>> we reported on carter page and his contact with russian intelligence back in the day and we talked to him. he was at my office several months ago at a reception. i don't know how carter page feels, but we have carried his side of this. you dismissed something before. a lot of it is the collusion story and the wild allegations of collusion. the tower story that michael cohen is going to jail about lying, the story you feel cohen -- and you i disagree on what cohen said. it's not a collusion story. it's a real estate story. >> tucker: i am aware of that. >> [overlapping talking]. >> you spent a lot of time talking about cats. >> tucker: i claim i made in the

open. here you have cohen and the mueller investigation both debunking the so-called bombshell you ran in january. you are refusing to admit it's been bedunked. i paid two pieces of tape of michael cohen saying it's not true and you said it's still true on what count? >> michael cohen was saying in his way he was telling me to lie. i don't think there is dispute that cohen claims, you could say he was lying, he claims trump was telling him to lie. when this first went out you called it a hoax. >> tucker: that's not what your piece said. he told him to. >> cohen described in meetings. cohen described personal meeting

with jay sekulow and trump. everyone is chasing for more details. it's hard to argue without a transcript of the meeting. trump said no russia, no deal. that's personal. talking about the testimony. is it that explicit? that's a reasonable argument. saying the whole story is about a hoax. >> tucker: hold on. look, i want to say once again, i respect you coming on to defend your reporting. most people won't and you will. i think you deserve a lot of credit. but it's the details that matter in life as in news stories. your story said, he explicitly told cohen to lie. cohen was asked twice by two

democratic members of congress if that was true and said it was untrue. why not say parts of our story were right but we went too far and made a claim we can't back up? the subject of the allegation denies and we admit it? >> i think as jason said that the bar seems to be did he say, michael, i now instruct you to lie. anything short of that? >> tucker: that's what your piece says. >> in the context of his system, no russia, no deal. details of that exchange matter a lot. where and how he said that. it matters a lot. the question of whether trump is directing and ordering people and how he is talking about it is something everybody is wrestling with it. you saw the "new york times" report that he ordered kelly to do something but didn't the exact words. michael cohen worked for him a long time. it's not crazy that he should be

expected to be able to interpret his boss's words. >> tucker: i appreciate you coming on. the door is always open to you. michael cohen's testimony last week seemed to put a dent in the russian collusion narr stiff. -- narrative. has the story changed at all? that's next. -guys, i want you to meet someone. this is jamie. you're going to be seeing a lot more of him now. -i'm not calling him "dad." -oh, n-no. -look, [sighs] i get it. some new guy comes in helping your mom bundle and save with progressive, but hey, we're all in this together. right, champ? -i'm getting more nuggets. -how about some carrots? you don't want to ruin your dinner. -you're not my dad! -that's fair. overstepped.

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doubt with the russian conspiracy than before. michael cohen the president's personal lawyer for 10 years turned on his boss. all of his communication seized by the justice department and said he would reveal everything because he hates donald trump. he said there were no secret meetings and no hidden paves and no collusion. it doesn't matter. people who believe in the russia conspiracy believe just as much as they did before michael cohen testified. on a pod cast hillary clinton said it's the job of her party to keep digging all the way through the earth until they reach the kremlin. >> there is enough grounds in what has already been made public for the government, for congress in particular to be doing more with it. i am pleased that under speaker

pelosi the democrats are beginning to hold hearings and try to connect some of these dots. >> tucker: this is an independent journalist. michael tracy, thanks for coming on. have we reached a point where it's not impossible to prove that the russia conspiracy is not real? >> it's most instructive to see what the leading democrats leading the charge are saying. they changed their opportunity. the general who would lead the impeachment proceedings against president trump said he reserves the right to disagree with robert mueller's final report. adam schiff on the sunday show ises maybe more than any human in history. he has been saying there is

ample evidence in the public record to establish that collusion occurred. he is also saying we now have a basis to disregard and wipe from the record the entire mueller investigation because it's not necessary to prove collusion. these are the same people creaming from the -- screaming from 2 years saying we need to preserve this. now they say it doesn't matter. it's an about-face. i think your exchange with ben smith illustrated as well. i watched that with my jaw on the floor. you referred to buzz feed as a cat blog which is funny but they do produce legitimate

journalism. >> tucker: i agree with that. >> and i respect ben smith and he demonstrated integrity coming on your show. >> tucker: i agree with that as well. >> what he is doing by jumping through hoop to rationalize that story which has been undermined is legitimate, they are taking away from the good works that some people within the buzz feed orbit are doing. they are being tarnished by association with this buzz feed story. another example of why none of this adds up. jason a co-author of the story appeared on msnbc within hours of the story first breaking. it caused a meltdown with every tv anchor screaming bombshell like toddlers. jason went on msnbc and said he had seen documents that that

corroborated the story is saying michael cohen was told by trump to lie. people were freaking out and calling for impeachment proceedings to begin right away. leibold gave the story potency. >> tucker: where are those documents? do we know? >> it's a huge miffedry. -- mystery. it went down the rabbit hole with the rest of the proof of the collusion. president trump when he calls the media fakes, he is over-wrought and exaggerates, but buzz feed and others give president trump ammunition to make those claims when they stick by a story that has been flatly contradicted.

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as the second world war. >> there is a reference to your green new deal. explain it. >> we have to address factory farming. maybe we should not be eating hamburgers for breakfast, lunch and dinner. the world will end in 12 years if we don't address climate change. your biggest issue is how are we going to pay for it? like, this is our world war ii. >> tucker: fighting global warming is as important as liberating the world from the nazis. aoc says that. doesn't she believe it. the new york postfound that alexandria ocasio-cortez spent 30 grand on car services with

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she doesn't care. 845 days and the hillary clinton global blame tour is rolling along. she spoke in alabama declaring that states should be in a crisis. >> this is a time my friends, when fundamental rights, civic virtue and freedom of the press and the rule of law, truth, facts and reason are under assault. make no mistake. we are living through a full fledged crisis in our democracy. >> tucker: what is so interesting is that hillary clinton spoke those words while standing in selma, alabama. there is a crisis she said. well, there is a crisis. it was right in front of her. the crisis is in selma itself. selma the place, not the metaphor. every year democrats fly down to selma, alabama to posture about racism and civil rights and

ignore the fact that the city of selma is collapsing. it was once a major industrial center. the factories have closed and the population fell by a 3rd since 1960. 40% of the people in selma live in poverty. it's the ninth poorest small city in the entire united states. a 2018 report found it to be one of the most dangerous places in the country and the most dangerous in the state of alabama. selma is a city full of real problems. the kind that democrats used to care about. they have moved on. if the city's unemployment rate is high, they have been replaced by foreign workers. hillary clinton doesn't come up with solutions but tells them her own problems. >> i was the first person who ran for president without the protection of the voting rights act and it makes a big differen

difference. it doesn't just make a difference in alabama. it made a difference in wisconsin where 80,000 people were turned away from the polls because of the color of their skin, because of their age, because of whatever excuse could be made up. to stop a fellow american citizen from voting. >> tucker: richard is an attorney that advised bill clinton and hillary clinton. what is so interesting, you could go to the poorest city in the state, the most dangerous city in the state where 42% of the kids are in poverty, and talk about your own problems. why don't these people try to make selma better? >> yesterday was all about voting rights. that's what people went to selma to talk about was voting suppression and voting rights.

her view is that if there were voting rights that were universal, they will address these problems in selma and elsewhere. it's not unique to selma. pittsburgh had a lot of jobs that went away. >> tucker: pittsburgh is doing fairly well. selma is governored by african-american democrats. that's not like racism is holding selma back. there are reasons for this but no one asked the question why is selma such a disaster? people rotate in and out and nobody notices it's a disaster. >> i don't know that anybody doesn't notice. she got this international unity award and inducted into the national voting rights hall-of-fame. that why she was this. hillary clinton could go to any place in the country and talk about the problems.

that's not why she was invited. >> tucker: going to a place where 40% of the children live in poverty, and you complain about your problems. doesn't that seem weird? >> she it talking about the problems that hit selma all the time. she did it during the campaign. >> tucker: why does no one make it better? it's a democratic city. where every candidate goes. the problems never get better. why? >> you are suggesting because it's a black mayor? >> tucker: i am saying the city is in a lot of trouble. it doesn't get better. the people who stand before the population and make promises have not improved it in 50 years. shouldn't we call it for account? >> that's true for any community

that should be better than that we find? donald trump said what do you have to lose? to communities just like selma. the answer was healthcare. we know that not every trump voter was a racist. we know that. but every racist was a trump voter. we know that too. >> tucker: that's not true. >> what evidence -- >> tucker: you have a political party saying give people jobs based on their skin color. that's the definition of racism. those are democrats. >> i don't think that's what they are saying. >> tucker: yes, they are. attacking people on the basis of their race. that's racism. it happens every day. don't notice this? >> of course, but that's not what the democrats are saying. the democrats are saying people of every race should get a fair shot. >> tucker: no, they are saying jobs should go to people based on their skin color. >> what is job one that someone

should get because of skin color? >> tucker: they say a certain percentage of jobs should go to people because of their skin color. someone should care about selma or lots of these cities. >> i don't think people would disagree that selma needs attention. >> tucker: richard, thank you very much. free speech is under attack on college campuses. a new executive order will protect it. how will that work and it will actually solve the problems? that is next. ressure? you won't find relief here. go to the pharmacy counter for powerful claritin-d. while the leading allergy spray only relieves 6 symptoms, claritin-d relieves 8, including sinus congestion and pressure. claritin-d relieves more.

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executive requiring colleges and universities to support free speech if they want federal funding. >> [cheers and applause]. >> tucker: that was the president over the weekend at cpac. american colleges once had the freest speech in the world. that was directly related to the fact they were the best in the world. now, american higher education is dominated by fascists who tolerate a single set of ideas. the president's executive order will seek to change that. in the meantime victor davis hanson is a college professor and author of the "case for trump." congrats on the book. what do you think this executive order is likely to say and what should it say? >> well, it's trying to restore some balance on campuses. it functions at 2 levels. politically it forces the

parents of free speech going back to the free speech. if you follow trump's executive order, then you have to be for trump. they can't be for trump. anything he is for, they are against. to be against trump is against free speech. how do they square that circle? they mean free speech is hate speech. you could be cruel to some group and censorship is called a trigger warning. segregation is safe spaces and saying that global warming is creationalism or denialism. they will make efforts because there is 26 billion dollars at stake of federal support for higher education. they will be for free speech but not what you and i call free speech. >> tucker: higher education is

destroying the country and making young people hate themselves and hate the country and leaving everyone in debt. why wouldn't the president shutdown federal funding until they do this and a lot of other things? >> they will. i think he will try to do that. i am hoping he is successful. i think they will say we believe in free speech but people who engage in free speech say mean things so we can't let them hurt people. mark twain can be incensensitivo we won't read certain passages. they will have racially segregated dorms. they change the language and think they change reality. then they come back to trump and think we solved the problem. we can be for free speech and against donald trump because

it's trigger warnings and safe spaces and denialism. that's what they do. i don't think they will be able to pull it off. they are in a very bad predictament. this party of left will have to oppose a motion to ensure free speech. >> tucker: it bewilders us. professor thanks for joining us and congrats on the book. democratic party has every intention of taking over healthcare and energy. but not stopping there. they like to nationalize parenting too. elizabeth warren and kamala harris have endorsed plans for socialized child care in the united states. the rest of the party won't be far behind why have parents raise their own kids when the state can do it? this is the executive editor the federalist and the mother of five all 8 or younger. i am glad you got a break.

i love your stuff on the federalist. thanks for joining us. tell us why we should be skeptical of socializing day care? >> the first is that's not what mothers want for their families and secondly it's not in the best long-term interest of children. the best research we have on child care the more little children are away from their mothers and the earlier they do that and the longer, the more behavior problems they have long-term. also mothers themselves just want to be with their kids. they love them. it's not good for the health of our society to break the mother-baby bond. we should be do everything to protect it. >> tucker: the counter argument that the left and many conservatives make which is that business demands a higher labor

force participation rate for women. it's good for the gdp for moms to leave their small children. outsource child rearing to people from foreign country and get back to work to serve global capitalism. what do you make of that argument? >> the whole point of the economy is to support families? we don't have families in order to support the economy. we have the economy to support families. we should not put the shortterm interests of today's businesses first. we should put the long-term health of our society first. it's not good for our society if more children are committing crimes when they grow up as happened in quebec when they implemented a full day care program there. the children are more aggressive and having more special needs placement. what we need to do is think about what is most sustainable for society and business plays a

role but it is not the most important thing. >> tucker: every survey shows that most parents would like to raise their own kids when they are little. if i was running a mitt -- political party i would make it so you could live on one income and raise your own kids. it seems simple. why is no party doing that? >> because the parties are listening to the polsters rather than to the people close to the families and the children. if you talk to low income and middle-class mothers, they call it a mark of luxury to devote more time to family and less to paid work outside of the home. that's something that mothers are looking for. i am a mother. that's what i am looking for. to be more with my family. when we are investing in our children, we invest in the

long-term health of society. moms ought to be listened to. we are voters and the people shaping the next generation. if we are not there those kids will have a greater need that didn't have to be there if moms were allowed to do what we want to do. >> tucker: that's right. all we hear it corporate propaganda from elizabeth warren and the rest of them. thanks for pushing back against that insanity. i appreciate it. >> thanks for having me on. >> tucker: first it was the confederate statues and now the campaign to destroy the past has come after dr. suess. they call him a bigot now. mark stein with us next. after walking six miles at an amusement park... bill's back needed a vacation from his vacation. so he stepped on the dr. scholl's kiosk. it recommends our best custom fit orthotic to relieve foot, knee, or lower back pain. so you can move more. dr. scholl's. born to move.

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an american, but his books were written before 2008 so someone called them racist. they claim racism spans across the dr. suess books. the argument is that his characters are too male and have the wrong skin color. mark stein joins us. what were the skin colors in dr. suess? >> they did a survey and concluded only 2% of the characters in dr. suess are persons of color and that's a problem. i find the world problematic problematic, because it's a way

for social justice warriors to label anything they don't like without engaging it in a coherrent way. there may be reasons only 2% of characters in dr. suess are person of color. there are not same-sex marriage in jane austen. authors are entitled to write about the characters they want to right about. living novelists, the best selling american novelist scribeer told me because she writes about women who are not white like herself. if a white woman writes in the voice of a black man she is culturally appropriating. you can't win either way. what these culture vandals are doing trying to make us live in

a permanent year zero as they called it in cambodia. we have no culture inheritance. >> tucker: no art is being created because it can't be. i thought of you when i read this. the world's best bridge player got busted for doping. his name was greg. he was suspended after a test found elevated testosterone levels. are you surprised there is doping in bridge? >> absolutely not. bridge is renowned for the use of performance enhancing drugs. everybody's grandma is on steroids and testosterone in the bridge fours. it's terrible. i had a problem with it too.

i was playing solitaire with myself and i realized i took performance enhancing drugs. >> tucker: [laughing]. >> all of these. you go to any senior center in florida and traces of urine are found in their drug samples. this is the world we live in. performance enhancing drugs for bridge fours. that's why it's pouring across the border. >> tucker: [laughing]. steroids and shuffle boards. thank you. we could go on forever. they allot only 1 hour. back tomorrow 8 p.m. the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness and group think. all of which are so ubiquitous

you don't notice them. but they are there and disto distorting things. live in new york city at this moment, the largest city in the united states of america awaits sean hannity. >> sean: click 3 times there is no place like home. if you want an extra hour, i am holder and time to take time off. welcome to "hannity." a lot of breaking news and analysis you won't get anywhere. it's official the democratic party, the media mob, they have zero interest in doing a single thing to serve you, we the american people. not one thing. that will make us more safe, secure, and prosperous. they are officially so partisanly blind and focussed on one thing only.