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devastation. the president about to see it first hand. >> don't underestimate the power of the visit of a president when he goes to grieve with those that have had a tough time. thanks for being with us this week. wait till next week. >> "outnumbered" starts now. >> fox news alert for you. bill shine has resigned as white house communications director. he says he will join the president's re-election campaign. he was a former fox news channel president. shine saying in a statement, serving president trump and this country has been the most rewarding experience of my entire life, to be a small part of what this president has done for the american people has been an honor. i'm looking forward to working on president trump's re-election campaign and spending more time with my family. we'll bring you any more news about this as soon as we get it.
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fox news alert. new reaction from the president in a bipartisan group of lawmakers to the passage of a house democrat resolution condemning all forms of hate in the wake of anti-semitic remarks by congress woman ilhan omar. republicans and some democrats saying the measure falls short and president trump not holding back in his criticism. this is "outnumbered." this is melissa francis. kennedy is here with us. anchor dagen mcdowell. and jessica tarlov is here with us. joining us on the couch the very first time, tv personality and pawn star host, rick harrison. so excited to be here for your first time on the couch. >> thanks. >> are you bracing yourself? you ready? >> i think i am. i have three daughters and a wife. sometimes i'm on the couch. >> and you just got back from cpac. you're deeply immersed in the issues. i would imagine ready to go.
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did you enjoy cpac? >> yeah. i spoke there last year. i get big crowds because it's a lot of college kids and they all grew up watching me on television. >> good stuff. >> i don't recognize you being drunk -- >> not him, the kids. >> there's a pawn stars drinking game in college. >> let's move on to some serious stuff. the final resolution was expanded to condemn virtually all forms of bigotry, including white supremacy. congress woman omar was not named in the measure. the vote was 407 to 23 with 23 no votes by republicans. congress woman omar voted yes. she released a joint statement with two other members writing we're tremendously proud to be part of a body that put forth condemnation of all forms of bigotry including racism and
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white supremacy. republicans called the resolution a cynical ploy to distract. here's republican congressman lee seldon that voted against the resolution. >> it was watered down. it was spineless. it was unfortunately filled with the moral equivalency of double standards. if this was a republican, it would have named the member. it would have been solely, emphatically focused on combatting anti-semitism and that member would be removed from the house foreign affairs committee. >> before the vote, prominent democrats voicing their concerns. watch. >> one of our colleagues invokes the classic anti-semitic language that jews control the world and only worry about money and cannot be loyal americans if they support israel, this too
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must be condemned. >> this touched a raw place for me and my desire to go on record again condemning anti-semitism. wasn't a desire to single the gentle woman out or cipher debate. >> president trump slamming democrats as he departed the white house to survey tornado damage and meet with survivors in alabama. watch. >> i thought yesterday's vote by the house was disgraceful. because it's become the democrats -- the democrats are an anti israel party. they've been an anti jewish party and i thought that vote was a disgrace and so does everybody else if you get an honest answer. >> rick, what do you think? >> i think it's crazy because the entire thing started off because of what she said and then they get a resolution that doesn't mention her. it's politics. it's a joke. i say it all the time, probably meeting from meeting many, takes
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me to blood sucking. [laughter] >> no, it's -- it boggles the mind. it's like they literally -- they get up there, going to condemn this anti-semitic speech and turn around and dump. >> jessica, you think this is an opening for republicans, you know, in the next election cycle as you see a lot of jewish members of the democrat party feeling offended by this? >> i'm not sure the that it's an opening in the next election cycle. before we came out here, i looked at where the jewish members of congress are. 32 of 34 are democrats in the 2018 mid-terms. 79% of american jews voted for democrats. i don't imagine those numbers will change dramatically. as for our conversation wednesday, we know there's a number of anti-semitic tropes that didn't end up with
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resolutions on them ranging from george sorros and hillary on piles of cash and all that good stuff. what is most important here is a growing rift within the democratic party about criticism of israel that gets wrapped up in anti-semitic commentary that is extremely damaging for our party and our relationship with israel. i think the representative aoc and talib and marr are correct that we should have a conversation about israel and policy but that doesn't mean anti-semitic. that's where we need to go with the conversation. >> kennedy, look at that a step deeper. she's right about that. but when you look at how israel is treated in the u.n. and this conversation about well, we don't necessarily need to be aligned with israel, we don't like the current government of israel, this conversation that
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is happening within the democrat party, do you think it's an opening for republicans? >> i do. i absolutely do. and i disagree and there's a lot of jewish voters that will look at this issue and say why on earth have i been supporting the democratic party? are they incapable of condemning something that is so critically important. what i compare it to, when you raise money for something like cancer. and i raised money for leukemia and lymphoma society, you don't at the same time talk about heart disease and pancreatic cancer and breast cancer. although those are all horrible things. those are things that require focus, but when you're raising money for something like that, that's what you focus on. that's what was critical here, because in lee seldon's words, you do water it down and takes away the weight. we're at a time where it's -- ilhan omar really wants to influence the foreign policy
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discussion in terms of palestine and israel, she should sit down with jared kushner and have a morale conversation. nancy pelosi says she doesn't have the intellectual wherewithal to know what her words me. that that is insulting to the congresswoman. >> i want to follow up on what you said. it's not just the resolution. it's how nancy pelosi, the speaker, talks about congresswoman omar. dismissiveness. it's not just pelosi but other democratic members of congress. this dismissiveness is -- >> like she doesn't know the weight of her words. >> she doesn't understand. she news around here is the narrative. this dismissiveness trivializes and ultimately helps normalize this kind of bigotry and hatred. lest we forget let once, not long ago, to the murder of six million jews. you can see the spread of anti-semitism across college
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campuses in this country by liberal professors in most cases. you can see the spread across europe, the rise in hated crimes. howard schultz telling julie an turner that we've had a 60% increase in anti-semitic behavior in the united states. you had a woman who was run by the democratic party for congress in the fifth district in virginia, my home state, my home district, that wrote a disturbingly anti-israel book. unless they speak up and put a stop to it, the consequences are dire. >> we're going to add one more thing. when she says we need a legitimate conversation about whether or not the government and israel is too right-winged, to a certain extent after she made so many anti-semitic comments, you wonder if that is a cover and justification for her continuing to be
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anti-semitic. she can't get away from that emotion by having a conversation to excuse -- >> i don't think she's capable of separating how she feels about the people of the jewish faith and israel. i think to her -- based on what she said -- i'm not trying to glean something psychically. this is based on what she said. she seems to tie them together. she has an inability to separate them. >> she sounds like -- i can read this 2012 tweet where she said, israel has hypnotized the world, may allah awaken the people. this is going back to 2012. these tropes happen again and again, this language is happening again and again. your best case in some way is that she's dangerously dumb and irretrievably stupid if you can't fix this after being lectured and coached by members of your own party. >> she's not dangerously dumb. i believe she knows what she's
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doing. i should have added and kennedy we talked about this, she should have been called out by name. this gets in the same thing of black lives matter as all lives matter. you could be missing the point here. >> you know, we're going to mosey on. the same vein. congress woman alexandria ocasio-cortez now fund-raising all this controversy. she's claiming the american israel publicly affairs committee, apac, is coming after her and fellow democrats. she comparing their criticism of israel to criticism of the iraq war. here's what she wrote. >> then goes on to reference a
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tweet from democrat congressman juan vargas that suggested it was unacceptable for democrats to question the u.s.-israel relationship. so rick, let's talk about this a little bit. it's funny. alexandria ocasio-cortez is, you know, one of the main drivers of this push for the government to take people's liberty and freedom but she wants to tap into the private sector and raise money. >> welcome to politics. people are going after you. you chose this possession. >> good point. >> she seems naive. i'm not going to call her stupid. i never met her. but she does believe in socialism. but people will go after you when you're in politics. apparently they did something wrong. >> to fund raise off of that. that is -- it's like -- >> we have talked about this a number of times. people are sick with the things that they fund raise off of. you have tragedies in the country that a politician didn't
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respond to and now we're taking that and making it something that you should get millions of dollars for from your supporters that speaks to the way that we need term limits. you shouldn't be in a constant stream of fund-raising here. when she talks about apac going after her, i don't think these women will be around that long. like they'll get voted out. >> let's primary these people or should get thrown out. that's not what he was saying. >> if they do get primaried or up for re-election, it may not be as easy. i didn't see it as a threat. it's interesting to think about the difference between apac as a pack and their lobbies that support every industry out there and whether this is different. we're talking about a cause that relates to human lives and the existence of a country and our only democratic ally in the middle east. fundamentally different when you get picked on by the oil and gas
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lobby. >> the oil and gas lobby that doesn't want every sector annihilated and -- >> increasingly you're seeing evidence that alexandria ocasio-cortez, aoc, she wants the fame and the glory and the attention from her mignons on social media, but she doesn't want criticism. i point to what she said about congresswoman omar and talib. there's no question that we're being treated differently and targeted all woman of color are being targeted. she's trying to shut people down. when you criticize her on the merits of what she's proposing, she will try to shut you up. she can't take it. >> she's a woman of color. as if that's why she's being criticized. >> again, it's the gender pivot. >> i'm a woman, too. we have president trump reacting after paul manafort is
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wonderful but the rest of your life is a living hell. when you have a liberalist standing there saying i'm going to give you free medical, healthcare, free college and everything, you look like a [bleep] when you say no, you can't have it. i'm not preaching to the choir. i want the choir to preach to everybody else. >> that is one lucky guy, rick harrison taking on the growing debate of socialism calling on conservatives to do more to educate children and take a stand against the ideology. this comes as the number of 2020 democratic presidential candidates are taking on social ale like medicare for all and free college education. andrew yang has made implimenting a universal income central to his campaign. he wants to guarantee every citizen a certain amount of
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money. he says that's not socialism. watch. >> i'm a business person. i'll tell you, putting money in people's hands is good for business, good for the economy and good for markets. this is not socialism. this is capitolism where income doesn't start at zero. all of the things we have taken for granted we're changing and we have to evolve with the times. >> so rick, i loved what you said about heroin, the first shot is great and eventually you have ruined your life. this is the thing that i think a lot of people don't understand or aren't able to articulate. it starts on this very nice place when you're trying to -- you have these great ideas and trying to help people out and it slides way down into venezuela. the slide is inevitable, but people say no, that's a corrupt system of socialism. we want the good part of socialism. the problem is, self-interests. you get to venezuela no matter what. >> i tell college kids, like
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next time you're in college and talking to these other students that love socialism, next time we have a big test, we're going to average out the scores and everybody gets the same score on the test. see how hard everyone tries next week. we'll just -- it will slow down the work to where everybody gets an f in the class. there's no point -- socialism, there's no point in working hard. it doesn't matter. >> and also when kids talk about socialism, they haven't studied it so they don't understand. you make this point a lot, kennedy. step 1 is a government takeover of the means of production. it is the power grab. when you look at aoc and the others advocating for this type of thing, they're advocating for a takeover by them. the means of production of society dolling out what goods there are. >> and the government doesn't create wealth. you're not starting with wealth creation.
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the government has to take the money from somewhere else. that's implicit in the way government hangoudouts works. when it does work well, there's higher inoculations, people love longer, they have longer lives. that's great. again, that's an argument for capitalism. it's a very convenient ploy on the left to say now, here's this idea where the government takes a bunch of money and redistributes it, but it's not socialism. you know, my question is, what is socialism? if that's not socialism -- right now it's a critical junction between socialism versus capitalism. and individualism versus statism. when you have state control, it does lead to price fixing and the crises that we see in venezuela. >> when you have state control, it leads to things like the eugenix movement and the forced
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sterilizations of thousands and thousands of people. it's not just the cost. i don't politically if the cost argument will really change people's minds that oh, you have a double taxation in this country for corporations and individuals for medicare for all. you're allowing politicians, big and small, to make decisions about what doctors you get to go to, what drugs are going to get covered. you know what? if you're stage 4 lung cancer, how long do you get to live and do you get the six-figure drug. >> no way. >> that's what we're talking about. >> i have a few second so i think it's important to highlight that european countries are not turning into venezuela. i lived in the u.k. a long time. i used the nhs. >> they don't have free market reforms in scandinavia. >> i commend the democratic candidates that are pushing back on medicare for all. they're talking about raising the age limit.
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how to get cheaper drugs. it's dishonest and say socialism versus capitolism. european socialism and venezuelan capitolism are night and day. there's no authoritarian -- >> no country -- 1.7% of gdp was printed by the european central bank. >> europe is barely growing right now. let me finish. this is the dishonesty of democratic politicians here. people in europe are taxed to their eyeballs. >> especially the middle class. >> especially the middle class. >> so if they're going to push these programs, you tell the american people, you know what? we're going to pay $5 more for gasoline and you're going to get taxed out of your ears. >> americans are smart enough to decide what they want. elizabeth warren's plans are clear. this is honest. this is how much i'm going to tax you. this is how much the rich are
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going to pay. i'm saying, you guys lecture me that people can make their own decisions. people know it's going to raise taxes, know it will cost them more. but the government has a moral imperative -- >> the problem is the numbers don't work out like with obamacare. >> we're going to keep fighting about this. >> there's big bright spots. economists show the economy is just humming along. and praise and outrage after a judge slaps paul manafort with a shorter than expected sentence. why the president is seeing it as a vacation. your move-in-day...feast. your bold canine caper. [child] that's not for you, bandit! your dinner in the dark. your mammoth masterpiece. [whispering] your 3:47 am snack.
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re-election campaign and the president in a statement saying "bill shine has done an outstanding job working for me in the administration. we will miss him in the white house but look forward to working together on the 2020 presidential campaign where he will be totally involved. thank you to bill and his wonderful family." trump's re-election campaign manager brad pascal saying that bill shine is an incredible professional listened will bring insight and talent. no word on who will take over for shine. all right. lots of reaction pro and con after a judge gives paul manafort less than 47 months in prison. robert mueller's team had suggested 19 to 24 years. judge t.s. ellis, sparred with prosecutors and publicly voiced concerns that independent
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prosecutors have too much power. he said manafort had largely led a blameless life and went out of his way to say his case had no collusion with the russians, which is the core of the mueller probe. manafort's lawyer echoing the judge on that score. watch. >> in court today, mr. manafort got to speak for himself. made clear he accepts responsibility for his conduct. and i think most importantly what you saw today is the same thing that we had said from day one. there's absolutely no evidence of paul manafort is involved with any government official from russia. >> that is a sign. president trump said he's honored by the judge's take on no collusion. >> his lawyer went out of his way to make a statement last night. no collusion with russia. there was absolutely none. the judge, i mean for whatever
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reason, i was very honored by it, also made the statement that this had nothing to do with collusion are russia. >> many democrats pouncing on the judge's she tense calling it way too lenient and an injustice. 2020 contender, amy klobuchar tweeting -- >> meantime, manafort is hardly out of the woods yesterday. next week, a federal judge could slap him with a ten-year sentence in a different case. dagen, what do you think will happen next week? 47 months. nine months counted as time served. is he in deep yogurt next week? >> for 47 months behind bars in federal prison used to wearing $15,000 ostrich jackets and
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$9,500 ostrich vests, it's a warning, if you dress like john gotti, you will get convicted of a crime or another. i'll point this out. mike "the situation" from the jersey shore is in prison right now for tax evasion for defrauding the u.s. on tax offenses including structuring, making deposits of $11,000 and $12,000. he's in there for eight months. that's what the judge was saying about manafort. you have to look at the prison time that people historically have gotten for these offenses. he's going away for longer crimes. >> that's what the judges said. obviously he looked at other sentences and comparable crimes. people that despise the president feel that manafort should be rotting in the cell for the rest of his life. >> people were taken aback from
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the comment that he led a blameless life. ask about paul manafort's wife. i think amy klobuchar makes an important point. crimes committed on the street corner and white collared crimes. we have a two-tiered system here. a woman out on parole and voted accidentally and she got five years. she got a longer sentence than paul manafort did. that is absurd. >> wow, kamala harris put people away for decades in california for -- >> and i welcome it. but at a time when we -- >> no. if you're making those arguments and illustrations -- >> there's people in jail for longer for selling a dime bag of weed. we need to fix that and hopefully the first step act will move us towards that. it does look terrible that he only got 47 months here.
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i'm sure the mueller team is thinking there's a bias there. >> and down to rick harrison. what do you think? >> i think -- he did some bad things. he should go to prison but should get a reduced sentence. it's wrong to find a person, let's investigate him and we'll find a crime. that's what happened to him. >> if we're all investigated long enough -- >> and multiple crimes. >> it's morally wrong to pick somebody out -- >> he was a trump campaign manager. he gave polling data to russians. this is not -- >> he wasn't convicted of that, though? >> he said he picked a person. he was related to the probe for good reason. >> the united states has -- is documented. we've interfered with over 100 foreign elections. over 100, the united states government. >> like what russian did? >> no, it's not cool but we do the same thing. >> so we can't go without mentioning international day. >> yay! >> the next hour on "outnumbered
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overtime," harris has a very special guest. dr. annalee fisher had an incredible career with nasa, including one of the first female astronauts, and the first mom to go into space. she log add total of 192 hours in space. she's also the mom of our very own kristin fisher, our washington correspondent. how cute! all right. we're going to talk to her in the next hour. >> they were on the cover of "the new york times." i remember that. it was in the 80s. brings tears to my eyes. >> meanwhile, republicans firing back at democrats as they continue to step up investigations in president trump and his associates accusing dems of playing politics and abusing their power. is it oversight or overreach? we'll debate that next. fact is, there are over ninety-six hundred roads named 'park' in the u.s. it's america's most popular street name. but no matter what park you live on,
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>> republicans accusing democrats of an abuse of power as they ramp up investigations to president trump. in a fiery letter, the ranking republican on the house judiciary committed the blasting jerry nadler accusing him of an unconstitutional cold war-style inquisition. congressman doug collins writing "congress should not, according to the supreme court cannot conduct oversight for the sake of exposure alone. that's what your investigation appears to be doing." here's nancy pelosi's response to allegations of overreach. >> this is our constitutional responsibility, to have oversight over the executive branch. and the evidence that they will have is what they will gather doing the oversight, bringing truth to the american people. i salute the committee for the action that they have taken. if we were not to exercise oversight over the executive branch, we would be delinquent in our duties. >> this all coming as democrats
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investigations close in on president trump's family. the house judiciary committee demanding documents from donald trump jr. and eric trumpand jared kushner. some democrats are voicing fears and political fall-out from going after the president's children. >> i think this is a really interesting conundrum. these are not just kids. they're kids that work for the administration. we heard about how the president pushed through jared and ivanka's security clearances against protocol. you think they're fair game for this? >> like i said, i don't think anybody should be investigated for a crime. >> a there's a lot of crimes. >> such as? >> campaign violations. investigations by bob mueller -- >> not one before he was elected. they don't have anything to do with conclusion. >> you don't have the mueller report. you can't say that. >> as far as we know at the moment, almost everybody it was a perjury trap. they indicted russians that are never going to come to the
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united states. >> so mike flynn is -- this is a different topic. >> let me just in for a second here. it is an interesting point. on one hand people feel like it's inappropriate to have, you know, his children working in the white house, working in the administration. these are the people that i rely on. on the other hand, they're picking on his family. so you can't have it both ways. they're either fair game and they can be employed and they can be employed to help or they're family. >> that's right. >> you're picking on them and they're private citizens. >> i agree with ann coulter. i don't like it when bill clinton put hillary clinton in charge of nationalizing healthcare in 1993 and 1994. it was a bad look for the administration. it's better if you have some distance, but also having said that, and democrats worried about this as well, if you just go after them and after them
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heavy-handedly, it's going to backfire. a lot of democrats are still operating as though older political model as ply to this administration and they don't. voters don't react the same way, they don't feel the same way. if you go after this president the way republicans went after bill clinton, you're not necessarily going to get the same result. >> what do you make of that, dagen? >> you mentioned the mueller report. why are the democrats not waiting for the mueller report to come out? they don't think anything of note is going to be in it? i'm surprised by the overreach by, say, congressman nadler in going after documents of all of these individuals. they really do send the message as special counsel did with michael flynn, we'll bankrupt you. we'll put pressure on you and bankrupt you and discourage anybody in this country from going to work for this president and not serving the country in the white house because if you are close to this president or even if you were three miles
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away from him, we'll get you. we'll come after you. >> i find this victimization of the people in the administration like mike flynn that worked as an unregistered foreign agent and talking to the saudis about getting nuclear technology, which is something we don't want. michael cohen going to jail -- >> but they're going after his long-time assistant. you start getting these documents requests and the legal bills will send you to the poor house. >> that's true. >> i think the thing that people are reacting to because a lot of the points that people make are legitimate about what they did and how it is connected to what's going on. when it's a question of if you go into your public life, into public life, we're go fog go back into your past and we're going to investigate everything you've ever done since you were a child. things that have slipped through and maybe you should have been prosecuted in the past -- >> and voters made the decision to disconnect his past statements even if they were
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abhorrent from his present policy position. >> i wasn't talking about the president necessarily. i'm talking about everybody around here. if you go and associate, we're going to dig into your past 20 and 30 years and find crimes. >> there's many people with cleaner pasts that could be running for president. i welcome you. and president trump is finding reasons to celebrate economic progress. we'll break down the numbers with you next. >> the commit is very, very strong. if you look at the stock market the last few months, it's been great. since my election, it's getting close to 50%. e dad. i take medication for high blood pressure and cholesterol. but they might not be enough to protect my heart. adding bayer aspirin can further reduce the risk of another heart attack. because my second chance matters. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen.
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>> the u.s. economy added 20,000 jobs last month. that was a big disappointment. the smallest monthly game in 1 1/2 years. a big drop from the whopping 311,000 jobs added in january. despite slower hiring, the unemployment rate moved down to 3.8%. near a five decade low. another positive news out of the jobs reports, average hourly earnings or wages were up 3.4% from last year. that is the fastest growth that we've seen in almost a decade.
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the white house says the very same thing. the labor force participation rate was up slightly. 63.2%. president trump touting the report. >> the economy is doing very well. we're seeing wages rise more than they have at any time for a long, long time. wages are going up first time for many years. i talked about it during the campaign for over 20 years. so i'm happy about that. >> there's good news in there. >> absolutely. but i think when you look at the whole thing together, you mentioned that wage jump, it's the biggest jump since 2009. if you combine that we didn't create new jobs and that wages went up, to me that says we're at full employment. we have everybody that can find a job and has a skill appropriate for today's job market has found one. that's a scary place to be because technology is changing.
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we need to train people for different kinds of jobs. and the economy, full employment, what is next is wage inflation and then inflation itself. i mean, rick, you have great first hand stories that you told us before. you employ a lot of people. tell us about what it's like. >> it's difficult to find anybody that is qualified. i go through ad agencies. i can't get anybody to show up. nobody with sales experience. i have a wholesale art business. i can't find a guy that is a framer. it's very difficult to find anybody. >> worse than it's been in years past. >> i can't remember this. >> overall numbers bear that out, rick. there's 7.3 million job openings in the most recent report. that was about a million more people than were unemployed. so it's a record number. the largest number on record of job openings. people can't find folks to fill those jobs. >> i talk to people in business
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all the time. if you're a welder, $100,000 easy. a machinist, the average machinist is 55 years old. young kid want to go to college. >> and my nephew is going through that program right now. he's getting skills training. he's licensed as a contractor. next up is plumbing for him. he will have so many opportunities. and no college debt when he's done. >> journeyman plumber can make $100,000 a year right now. >> and in the manufacturing industry, i talked to a man yesterday. he said there were all of these manufacturing jobs open and they don't have enough people to fill them. when i hear about the president bringing manufacturing jobs back to the u.s., wait, we don't have enough people to fill the ones we have open. but it really speaks to this partnership that needs to happen between businesses in communities that need the workers and then young people in that community. jessica? >> what do we do about stories
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like the chevy plant in ohio that is closing early. that's been happening all over the country. people are outsourcing and leaving what is happening with our farmers. you look at the statistics about the number of jobs created president trump in the first five months. that's something that democrats will be talking about. wages going up is a great thing. how are we doing to deal with the plants closing and the people that are specialized? these aren't people that didn't learn a skill. they don't have a job now. >> it's unfortunate for those workers but ultimately it will make general motors better and healthier and we still added jobs. >> and the labor participation rate is still critical. >> more "outnumbered" in just a moment. newday usa helps veteran homeowners get cash
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what is the coolest thing in your pawn shop right now? >> marlon brando's leather jacket. and i have the very first edition in a bit. training in the discipline of the continental troops. >> rick harrison, thanks so much. here's harris. >> fox news alert. we're learning of another high level departure from the trump administration. white house communications director bill shine has announced his resignation today. he's not cutting ties with the president we're told. we'll fill you in as we report on "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. bill shine releasing a statement saying he will join the president's re-election campaign. he's, of course, a former fox news channel president. he served as the fifth communications director in the trump white house. john roberts is live on the north lawn now. john? >> harris, good afternoon to you. this came as a real surprise to everyone here. i mean, we see bill
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