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"outnumbered"! >> richard: [laughs] living the dream. [laughter] >> melissa: that was very convincing! i love that. >> kennedy: i'm going to chalk it up to daylight savings. >> harris: yeah! a little bit. >> melissa: it's been brutal, but let's get to it. >> harris: but we get more sunshine! we are now learning what's inside that proposed budget. the resident now calling for $4.7 trillion in total spending, up some 5% from 2019 to 2020 budget. this, despite also calling for a 5% cut in nondefense spending while looking to secure funding to continue building sections of the wall along the mexico border. white house economic advisor larry kudlow says border security remains a top concern. >> we have a crisis down there. i think the president has made that case very effectively. it's a crisis of economics. it's a crisis of crime and drugs. it's a crisis of humanity. we have to be much tougher and

have more constructive immigration policy, which we can be developing over period of time. >> harris: top democrats are already proposing new additional wall funding. house speaker nancy pelosi and senate minority leader chuck schumer released the great statement yesterday. it said, in part, "president trump hurt millions of americans and caused widespread chaos when he recklessly showed on the government to try to get his extensive end that an effective wall, which he promised would be paid for by mexico. congress refused to fund the wall and he was forced to admit defeat and reopen the government. the same thing will repeat itself if he tries again. we hope you dull migrant is lin listen." meanwhile , a senior dna official confirmed to fox news that the administration is expecting thousands of migrants as families to cross the border into the united states by may. this month alone, officials are estimated between 51,058,000

migrants will either cross illegally or ask for asylum at the border crossing. this week, the senate is set to vote on the house-passed resolution that would block the president's emergency declaration to secure border security funding. it seems like we are going around in circles, richard. >> richard: i think we are indeed going around in circles. i think it's interesting that this budget comes out today when the senate is expected to vote later on to defeat the president's emergency -- national emergency. with four republicans joining the democrats. susan collins, lisa murkowski, senator tillis, as well as rand paul. i think we would also be remiss if we didn't remember that a couple months ago we were doing with the debt ceiling debate, which also put us in a big cabal where chuck schumer and nancy sue tomei posey were right that we would be doing this again in september when we debate the debt ceiling. there would be a dip on mike debate over this wall. >> harris: you make it sound like the republican's response over the debt ceiling. every president can do that. we don't want to default, that knocks us down is a country. >> richard: and not sing their present his response over the

debt ceiling. this is just how congress works, sadly. or doesn't work, for that matte matter. was interesting is asking for more border wall funding and is asking for congress to give the military back there $3 billion pre$3.6 billion in this budget e rejecting. some of them are rejecting today in the united states on it. >> harris: if it gets interesting, emily, because at one point they were saying there would be as many as 15. and to avoid a veto by the president on his declaration after it leaves the senate, you would need some 20. but now we are down to four. what is going on than the democratic party? with republicans, fewer of them will join the democrats. >> emily: i think, frankly, the longer this drags on, more becoming honest with their feelings or really plugged into their constituents. what to make two points. if it gets an oversimplistic oversight and a mistake for us to treat the southern border issue as contained, either geographically or by that one issue. just quickly, for example, the

billions that cartels make over human smuggling, they make multi-billions with the drug industry of which the u.s. is the largest consumer. and human smuggling is the diversion component to that. when they are having their talking points, about, "we are expected 170,000, or it's going down," it's a conversation that multiple industries tie into in addition to drugs. the second point is that the debt should be a bipartisan issue, frankly. it grows by $2 billion a day. we know this, it's 4% higher than the gdp. this is something where an audit would be so much more, i think, fruitful rather than blanket statements of cutting are increasing. we expend billions of dollars because of government errors. not just fraud, errors. >> harris: you might find more places to cut, if you actually audited. >> kennedy: emily principle good point about areas. i would add onto that, redundancy. so any programs to the exact same thing. in different apartment.

we waste so much money. if you tackled those things alone, they could really start to make headway where we need to on cutting spending. because that is the critical component that neither party wants to -- >> harris: are you saying take some of that money and build a wall with a question of what is the point? >> kennedy: no, no, no. e-cigs [laughs] >> harris: i wondered what happened to the cavity that i know! [laughter] >> kennedy: to get people back the money they worked so hard for. let them keep it. you know what people do when they have their own money? they tend to hire people when they have businesses. they tend to donate money to charitable organizations. if they've too much text, they can afford to those things. >> harris: what to do at this point? we have a creek tree to just visit senate voted a peerless pump it up. "republican senators have very easy vote this week, it's about border security and the wall. stopping crime, drugs, et cetera. not constitutionality and

precedent. it's an 80% positive issue. the dems are 100% united, as usual, on a 20% issue. open borders and crime -- get tough." i'm assuming that means republicans. >> melissa: it so hypercritical, they were good for the first 700 miles or whatever it was and now all of the sudden they don't want to spend the money. it's a waste, never seen a politician or didn't want to waste money on both sides. the president talked about cutting -- excuse me, $3.7 trillion. non-defense spending. it's something, but the real problem -- >> kennedy: government spending. right there. >> melissa: out-of-control spending. >> harris: who is left to deal with that? paul ryan, the former house speaker, said he was going to do it. he didn't do it. speak to our children and our grandchildren. politicians have never seen money that wasn't there that they're happier to spend. >> richard: the one point i would make lucentis budget, the fact that the president has been

very clear about afghanistan, iraq, and the arms involved in syria. you see an increase in spending. that seems a little bit irresponsible. >> melissa: we let it run so much down in the passive administrations. >> richard: but if you are downgrading two wars, weimer spending at the pentagon? >> melissa: because we are seeing our own soldiers died because of a good move that's out of date. not every single one. >> kennedy: you're not wrong about that, but the thing is, again, with the general budget, it applies to military as well. we have redundancies and we have entire programs. i know these are pet projects for a lot of congresspeople, but diverting that money to planes and tanks -- >> melissa: i would cut everything in the whole budget. i'm just saying, this spending might be better than others. but if you want to cut everything, i'm all with you. >> harris: we do need to segue into cyber warfare. we know that the next battleground, the one you can't see. i want to go back to the wall, that's the vote about to happen

right now. your quick thoughts, emily? >> emily: it was actually on cybersecurity, i'm sorry. the new agency and infrastructure, that was one of the testimonies before the house when michael cohen was taking of a tension. it's going to other matters of security, not just the physical deployment of tanks. >> richard: the president authorized the building of new tanks, ships, planes, things we will likely not use if we are no longer anywhere. the union made very clear, america will not be in a war. when we are not of the war-like posturing means the policy doesn't match the rhetoric. >> harris: overarching, the vote will be on the wall. with the president get has border funding? what is this next week going to look like? we will reported as it happens. not all democrats on board with the socialist label. why elizabeth warren says she is bullish on free markets trade but is she just running for cover at this point? alexandria ocasio-cortez, the big drop at sxsw.

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uh-oh! wanting her usual fiery attack from the status quo, cohen capitalism "irredeemable," and suggesting that ronald reagan pushed racist policies. watch. >> i think a perfect example of how special interest and the powerful have pitted white working-class americans against brown and black working-class americans in order to just screw over all working-class american americans. reaganism in the 80s, when he started talking about welfare queens, he's painting this photo. this really resentful vision of essentially black women who were doing nothing, that where soccer player on our country speak to the cosponsor of the green new also calling fdr's iconic new deal racist, and dismissing political moderates.

listen. >> it feels like "moderate" is not a stance. it's just an attitude toward life. we've become so cynical that we view "meh" as an intellectually superior attitude. and review ambition as youthful naivete. >> melissa: but fellow freshman democrat ben mcadams, who hails from a red district in utah, says moderates are driving today's democratic party. >> i think with the election of the democrats taking control of the house, the caucus moved to the center. you wouldn't get that sense watching the media coverage, because some of the more progressive members are far more outspoken. the largest caucus in the congress is the new democrats. they are a group of moderates, as well. >> melissa: richard, i'm interested in this. because i was kind of believing the narrative that may be

ocasio-cortez and the progressives aren't as popular as the wood seen by the news, because they get the attention. you know, as opposed to the rest of the party. you are like, "okay, that's an interesting thing about television." but when you see that her turnout at sxsw, people showing up, was bigger than bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. that argument kind of falls apart. she is the most popular thing on the left right now. >> richard: i think after look at the sxsw conference as it is. it's a conference where innovators come to see what's new and what's hot. they are looking for what's interesting, but the media's talking about. so they went to see something new and interesting with the media was talking about. but you have to look at will casio cortez's statement with some clear eyed realism. our history, present, or future, first with history part i think that there something she's right on. we can agree that the war on drugs was failed. it did over penalize african-americans more so than any other social demographic or population demographic prayed

with that being said, oh ocasio-cortez represents just as much of a district as the congressman we just heard from. i think it the media puts a lot of attention on her when there is 435 other members. >> harris: but they couldn't come at a crowd. the >> richard: trees new and interesting in the media is talking about it. >> melissa: that's not just why, she has people coming up or they watch on youtube. she has a fan base that the others do not. she also -- it disturbs me that she is not -- she seems like she's not terribly educated about some of think she talks about. for example, here was her definition of capitalism. let's hear that. >> it means that we seek and prioritize profit and the accumulation of money above all else, and we seek it at any human and environmental cost. that is what that means. to me, that ideology is not sustainable and cannot be redeemed. >> melissa: no, it does not. that's not what capitalism is. it's when the means of production, industries in the

hands of the people. socialism is when it's in the means of the government. it's opposite of what she said. she's advocating a power grab for herself. to be in control of all the money and dole it out. >> kennedy: but isn't it interesting that when she finds an emotional hot-button issue like ilhan omar, and the claims of anti-semitism and the following resolution, that she reaches out to private individuals to get some of their money for her. because she wants to win in this capitalist system. but it's a very disingenuous, very shallow definition of what it is. and the power of the individual to shape their own life and course in this country is unlike any other system on the planet. of course there are flaws within every system, but she has done a very poor job of laying out honestly what those flaws are. can anything be improved upon? of course. but you also argue that the statist grab she's going for will bankrupt the country, create war --

>> melissa: i don't even think you have to go there. she just doesn't understand what capitalism is. >> kennedy: she doesn't give any historical evidence for claims against ronald reagan and fdr. >> emily: i agree with you. it's unfortunate given her celebrity status that she is in using her power for more good, which is to put forth smart, sensible policy. or actual specificity that people can listen to. my grandparents came to this country and were able to start small businesses after working in the factory. they thrived in it. then overregulation choke hold it'd been and they had to flee the state. for her to say capitalism's irredeemable is the opposite. increasing speed worship is irredeemable. as he pointed out last block, that extra money that capitalism affords us is what enables us to give back to society and be so philanthropic at a higher more people and have a bustling society that she calls garbage even though statistics just came out that we are thriving. >> melissa: can we go to harris for a quick? >> harris: i was just going to say she's not in the ballot. she can't hundred present.

>> kennedy: she misreported that, too. >> harris: she was, as he pointed out, more popular and had a big crowd. was more tended to come i guess you could say. more curiosity better than the people about to spend millions and millions and millions and millions of hard earned dollars and they are going to collect and probably not even make it through the primaries, most of them. [laughs] >> richard: i think kennedy brings up a good point that there are flaws in the capitalist system. one is that people of color don't have access to capital as of the group's use of the can't start small businesses. >> harris: in other words, if you are joe biden and you are watching this, are you still getting in? because she is still pretty popular and she will be able to run. what will they do? >> melissa: new fallout over paul manafort sentence of nearly four years, and his tax and bank fraud case. now former acting fbi director andrew mccabe saying he was shocked by this sentence. joining those who say it was far too light and debate over our justice system. plus, a top democrat says it's a

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lawyers answers as much as the client's answers. i think the special counsel feels some time pressure to conclude his work. knowing that the white house would drag out a fight over the subpoena, i do think ultimately it's a mistake. because probably the best way to get the truth would be to put the president under oath. as he has made plain in the past, he feels it's perfectly fine to lie to the public. >> kennedy: meet the press customer more like meet the mess! lock it up, schiff! [laughter] but the president's lawyer, rudy giuliani, argued that in person testimony would be setting a trap for the present. telling nbc news, "did when did schiff become the special counsel question mckay that he trusted mueller "adults know mike tosi wants to hurt the present matter what. ask about staff spent hours preparing calling for his testimony, and he committed perjury during his testimony." it's a slippery slope, clearly, for someone like adam schiff. i know he gets a lot of attention and that he loves this

glowing screen centigrade it's wildly entertaining, far removed from the truth. the special counsel seeds to his wishes. or somehow he's able to give congressional subpoena and bring them before the committee. the something of a street democrat and you will all be -- >> richard: listen, i have full trust in robert mueller, number one. >> kennedy: whether you tell your friend adam schiff that? [laughter] >> richard: i think this idea or notion that mueller is going to succumb to pressure seems to be a nonstarter. number one, if he didn't succumb to pressure under jeff sessions or whitaker, i don't see them succumbing to pressure under william barr. he will let the investigation play its way out until he is done, point blank, period. he has put folks on the term team in jail, multiples of them. i think you will continue doing just that. >> harris: there's a lot about these two men's relationship and past that we learn from the

hearings with william barr, there still a lot we don't know. when people have some sort of a coming together professionally and have some things in common, and reportedly a friendship, there is a certain understanding of trust there. so you talk about trusting mueller. i would guess they probably trust each other. e.g. william barr and robert mueller. >> kennedy: because they worked together for years? >> harris: and he thought it was a borten enough to bring up a discovery hearing. you could talk about a whole host of things. he wasn't asked if he knew him. he brought it up and substance. i think that's important to know. my question for you, richard fowler, is -- when this is all said and done, and if there is no there there of russia. i won't even say collusion because the crime is conspiracy or traction of justice. if there is no truth of that with the campaign, with this president, will you let it go? >> richard: i have set all along, waiting to see what this report says, number one. if there is no conclusion or know, like he said, obstruction of justice or conspiracy, i

think the americans will have to see the report. >> harris: i'm asking you if you would let it go. because there are fellow democrats who already want to jump the gun. represented of al green was talking impeachment before mueller -- six months or so ago. >> richard: you can't do that unless you played it flailed about. >> harris: know what you need right now? the bullhorn for the democrats to hear you say that. >> richard: the speaker of the house seems in the same place preaching at the same thing, let it play itself all the way out. >> kennedy: that's a question i have come on melissa. does nancy pelosi have no jurisdiction over these committee chairs? because they are doing some things quite opposite from her directive, let's not talk impeachment it. it's not time, we are not there. you have people like adam schiff and maxine waters and terry nadler talking about the investigation they are launching in their respective committees. that it will lead to impeachment. >> melissa: i don't think you're listening to her at all, but i think i'll start adam schiff talking with the fact that what is at the heart of all of this, the new heart of

all this, is the trump tower in moscow and how the president stood to make more money than he has ever made in his career. i have to wonder if adam schiff knows how to do math, because if you look at forbes numbers, all of them, the president has lost more than a billion dollars since he's been in office. every business person we all knew by virtue of running or winning, he would lose a lot of money. at any time you make a brand political you, by definition, lose basically half your support. so we all knew this is going to be a money loser frame. he is saying at the heart of us it was all a plot to make money. he's insane. >> harris: but we are know the policies not being totally listened to, because she said not one dollar for the wall and republicans and democrats democrat he had. "in a bipartisan menu can have $1.4 billion." >> emily: we saw what happened when he ignored six subpoenas. granted, that was for a grand journey and not before congress, but eventually agreed to testify. term of the subpoenas. the supreme court ruled that he did have to comply, but that it's really unenforceable prelet's follow it down the

rabbit hole for second. what happens if he subpoena? and the hold in contempt customer he can go to jail. then we go to the fine. i'm going to trivialize this really huge issue according to the democrats is simply find him question record president wouldn't care about that. in addition to adam schiff, being quite the suspect taking that power from robert mueller and being publicly doesn't have faith in the investigation. i think the subpoena is a mess. nobody wants to get into it. i don't want to pay for it as a taxpayer. >> kennedy: i don't want to pay for. >> harris: there is a new reaction to the paul manafort sentencing as the former campaign chair is that this week for his second sentencing and other charges on his bank and tax fraud case. former fbi acting director andrew mccabe says he was " "shocked" by last week's sentencing with the judge gave paul manafort 47 months. we believe the recommendation guidelines of 19 to 24 years. watch it.

>> i think it's an incredibly leading sentence. not just of the offenses he was convicted for, but the additional offenses that he has pled guilty to in d.c. the offenses using knowledge that is essentially in the syndicate process in virginia. >> harris: there is more critics has also pounded tsl is the third, the judge, for saying that paul manafort has otherwise led a largely blameless life. saying they find that galling, given manna for it 's work for some of the words most unsavory and brutal dictators. senator cory booker, present or now, since sentencing points to double standard. >> you can tell a lot about a country by who they concentrate. in this country plan do i pray among the most vulnerable people in our country. overwhelmingly black and brown folks. >> were you shocked? >> no, this criminal justice system can't suppress many more. >> harris: criticism to

critics are making conversions to crystal mason for disparities. she is an african-american from texas who was sentenced in state court last year to five years in prison for voting illegally in 2016. kennedy? >> kennedy: in her case and paul manafort's case, they have nothing to do with each other. we have to stop with those false equivalencies. she shouldn't be in prison for five years for illegally voting. that is ridiculous. that is a misuse of the criminal justice system. having said that, andrew mccabe needs to go back and re-examine his professional life. because the fbi shouldn't have had to rely on special counsel to investigate paul manafort. if what he was doing was so egregious, if he was such a bad person that he deserves to spend 25 years in prison, that is a failure of federal law enforcement. >> harris: why is that, by the way, emily? why have to rely? that such an interesting point. >> emily: i loved that point. you are absolutely right. when everyone is calling for,

because of, b, c, d must happen. people think he must give the maximum. for me, the travesty within the criminal justice system is littered throughout and it goes through the post-incarceration system. i agree with what cory booker said, absolutely. but i don't need to have a false equivalency made for me or to point someone out and say, because therefore, he gets a million years." i want to see reductions in mandatory sentencing as and guideline sentencing across the board. there's a lot more toxic ailments we need your address. >> harris: i want to get to richard. this seems to be point republicans and democrats can agree, for some of the president has done with prison reform. >> richard: i think you're right and a ghost of two things, the sentencing guideline and the judge's ruling we talked talks about how egregious these guidelines are. and a couple years ago to give somebody 24 year sentence for a drug crime. yes, the crimes are different, but here in lies the problem. because a drug crime -- he recalled with crack cocaine because you happened to do crack cocaine, it's a victimless crime. but then you get 20 years in jail. and somebody who commits bank fraud gets four years in jail.

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free market does not make her a socialist. >> kennedy: [laughs] >> harris: kennedy's brain just broke. how left is to left if you want to become president? that's an interesting question. >> it is not capitalism to have one giant that comes in and dominates, a monopolist who dominates the market. what i have supported all the way through are the kinds of things that help level the playing field. ♪ to look at me now,

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♪ >> melissa: massachusetts senator and presidential candidate elizabeth warren hitting the campaign trail over the weekend, defending her new plan to break up big tech companies. moran's proposal would propose big oppose big tech mergers. it would also see how amazon and other large operators can legally operate.

>> what i'm seeing is we have to break these are the part. you want to run a platform? that's fine. you don't get to run the businesses as well. if you want the businesses, fine. but you don't get to run the platform. antitrust law has been around for more than 100 years. the federal government has done this many times. >> melissa: some critics suggest she sounds like a socialist or want to government control over the free market, and her platform focuses on the income inequality and has drawn comparisons to bernie sanders. she's think she's a capitalist watch. >> i believe in markets. markets that work, markets that have a cop on the beat and have real rules that have a buddy follows. i believe in a level playing field. >> so if you get labeled as a socialist -- >> it's just wrong. >> melissa: very interesting conversation. let me start with you on this idea, kennedy. she wants to break up these tech companies. it's so funny how the teams have changed, because they were so in the left a posthumous pocket. whether it was facebook or

google, not all of the sudden they become unpopular technology after the election and after the invasion of all these different platforms. now she wants to break them up. they are all enemies. way to go from there on that front? c3 it's interesting she says she doesn't want to be labeled a socialist, but she's waddling ad cracking very much like a socialist pair [laughter] so i think she's a socialist. she wants of this government controls, she was to bring things up arbitrarily. the application of antitrust laws is almost always arbitrary. and it's funny, because she's talking about, "we need to break apart what's app from instagram and may be the snapchat needs to be shut down so i can watch matlock at 4:30 eczema" she doesn't have an idea of how tech evolves. if she wants to see how fickle tech users really are, however sit down and talk to a group of 13-year-old girls. you can come over and unite after gymnastics. >> richard: kindly brings up an interesting port. the party lines and this is interesting. because this is happening, the

white house is battling against at&t and time warner merger. antitrust laws are depending upon who is in interpreting the. she sang the same think of the trumpet ministers in ministers missing. >> melissa: that's what kennedy said, it ends up being very arbitrary. want to break up the companies that you don't like that they've gotten together. the real answer to something like facebook or google or any of these companies, or amazon, is more competition. >> harris: can i ask an umbrella question? richard, i will ask you to view. who is elizabeth warren and this party, running against presidential candidate? she's not a socialist. she is trying to tell us who she is. i saw a recent polling where she's pulling about 3%. biden still has the most in recognition right now. how does she fit into this whole thing? i know she said she's not going to take big money but she is going to take taxpayers money. does she make it out of the primary anywhere? >> richard: i think we will have to wait to see. i think a healthy primaries give for the party.

even though biden isn't currently in, seems to be operating from polling data with a four to 25% or 26%. >> harris: so is she more like biden or bernie costa mike >> richard: in place in the middle. which he is saying that i thought was very interesting is the idea of having some cops to sort of police the rules of the road when it comes antitrust. i think both her and the white house -- >> harris: you mean pick winners and losers? >> richard: not necessarily pick winners and losers, but how do we as a country do with monopolies when different parties are in control question or because one country though my party will say, "i don't like of this merger looks," and another party says, "i'd like of his merger looks." >> emily: just like with the tobacco companies, via the doj and ftc. >> richard: but those are appointed by the president prince was the doj. >> emily: it still goes across demonstrations. what i was going to say is come as a citizen, i don't particularly want legislators calling for -- i preach at the specificity because she's only ones left that has put that forth so far. but i don't want my to

legislators that. my second point is my larger concern as a citizen is the data privacy and the data protection, those big tech companies are really being held to the fire with it. i need a lot more specificity with that. the third point is, especially on the left, as funding is going to release campaign that it's interesting to see was generating from. when the holier-than-thou pitchfork comes out and this is all bad, this is all bad, including the #metoo movie coming out in hollywood. big tech companies. it's all a bit murkier than that black and white, "you should be damned and you should not be." >> melissa: amid all the criticism of the green you do push by democrats like aoc, more and more republicans are speaking out about climate change. what their ideas are, and what may be driving them to address this issue. that's next. ♪ ds named 'park' in the u.s. it's america's most popular street name. but no matter what park you live on, one of 10,000 local allstate agents knows yours.

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>> melissa: more "outnumbered" in just a moment, but first let's touch base with harris and see what's coming up on "outnumbered overtime" a few minutes away. >> harris: here's a story developing right now. 202020 democratic presidential candidate kirsten gillibrand is responding to new revelations that a former aide resigned from her staff in protest over to legrand's handling of sexual harassment allegations. the sender has been a vocal

advocate for victims of harassment. a live report on what she is saying now. the trump administration's budget proposal threatens to revive a fight over the border wall. we will conclude, or rather, continue our conversation we've been having on the couch when senator bill cassidy joins me. he is actually going to the white house in just a little while after he talks with me. i will ask him all about that resolution, the money the president wants now for the wall. the battle renewed. top of the r. melissa, back to you. >> melissa: harris, thanks. >> kennedy: for weeks, republicans have slammed the green new deal as a costly and under the sick proposal. some g.o.p. lawmakers are urging the party to do more to address the environment. and respond with its own climate change solutions. that's fun. former republican governor of ohio john kasich writing in an op-ed today that, while there is a lot to criticize in the green new deal, it is serving an important purpose by provoking public debate on climate change. some republicans on the house

energy and hermas me to back that sentiment, with francis ring suggesting the party should consider a carbon tax. outlets report the trump administration wants to reevaluate a government study that they pose a major economic and security threat to the nation. a new poll says that 60% of people say democrats positions of environment are in the mainstream while others say that set of mates repeated would say about that, melanie, emily compagno? >> emily: on fiscal issues, abortion, they didn't change me the numbers were negligible. ethic it's telling and it would behoove the g.o.p. to come up with -- i feel like a broken record. but smart, sensible, and efficiency have been driven "we don't feel xyz as you come aoc, and we obviously aren't supporting the green new deal in any way." but here's a couple of things that will impact efficiency that will keep jobs, increase revenue come in here so plays into the global field. i would like to hear that from

the g.o.p. not to meet in the middle, but pioneering, if you will, something he can rely on. >> kennedy: that's a great word. i think we will see it in solution to the global climate crisis through the free market and immigration. >> richard: i think it's interesting that you they come emily. because the problem they have with coming will plan like that is because a lot of g.o.p. don't believe it exists. you have to deal with the climate deniers in the party first. >> kennedy: beware talking by the ones in the party's think an issue. we don't need to ruin our entire economy to fix it. but what about the free market and private companies coming up with innovation and technology to counter climate change? >> richard: i think there are some thoughts, there is typically thought authors of the g.o.p. should think about how they come up with that sort of plan. to propose something. i think there are number one stumbling block to getting that done, like i said earlier, is doing the people in their own party. will the founders of different paths? absolutely. >> kennedy: but climate change

always pose very low in terms of the economy and health care and national security. >> melissa: you still need a solution. you need to have something that you're going to say, when you say no to the green new deal you need something else on the side. you look at the smoking industry, tobacco, and the way that one company has come and revolutionize with technology to the point where they had to go out and buy the company because it was such a threat to smokers and so many people have gotten off using that. he reminds you that technology can come in and change the way we behave through the market. and it's the same kind of thing, t to happen, you can pick government winner. >> kennedy: regis document antitrust breathe and you have solyndra, how did that work out has that revolutionize solar paneling of these great states?

[laughter] >> richard: may be, just maybe. there's a notion that when you move agitators outs of the system to move the system. >> kennedy: wise i was a government system? come on. >> richard: system and a large term. people argue that you need malcolm x for martin luther king to be so successful. in this case, maybe you need a green new deal to push republicans to say that climate change exists and we need to plan for. that's possibly why it exists, so the republicans can say we need to work on it. >> melissa: that's an interesting analogy. >> emily: just to her out there, the cure for everything is on increasing state ownership or regulation. solyndra is now bankrupt, even after receiving millions of dollars from the federal government. that agitation to me only works when there is -- >> kennedy: i am less than agitated to tell you that we have more "outnumbered" in just a moment. stay right here.

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richard fowler. you have a final font today? >> richard: i do. it was wonderful being with y'all, and human should have empathy. we should decide to see the world and some of neil's shoes. >> kennedy: and oak strangers. >> richard: be in their shoes for one day. >> melissa: and i love your shoes, so there you go. we are back at noon tomorrow. here's harris. >> harris: we are waiting the priest from the white house as the budget proposal threatens to revive a border wall battle peerless cost between six and a prayer than harris faulkner. the president is asking congress for $8.6 billion in new wall funding as part of his budget proposal. it fixes all but certain rejection of the democratic house but it also comes as the senate is set to vote this week on the measure to reject the president's declaration of a national emergency at the u.s.-mexico border. coming up atop the next hour, press secretary sarah sanders and acting budget director russell bott will brief report is for the house o