are pulling for him to and all of you showing up and giving of yourselves to someone who is a stranger in need, you are our midnight heroes. most-watched, most trusted and was grateful he spent the evening with us, good night from new york. i'mmo shannon bream. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." ever notice how certain people have started to h disappear? not vagrants or runaways, the usual missing persons, but fairly prominent well educated people with dissenting political opinions. last time they checked they are gone. o there are not showing up in your facebook feed. suddenly you can't buy their books on amazon. you google them to find out what happened and discover they've been banned. they are being called dangerous extremists, bigots and nazis. for the public good they've been shut down, disappeared. a little surprised to hear this,

they didn't seemm evil to you ae radical, they were just freethinkers saying something a little different from the party line on cnn. you don't complain about any of us though. you don't want anyone to know that you are watching forbidden videos. there is a penalty for that. this is what an authoritarian society looks like. it's a place where the group in charge will tolerate no acriticism at all. that's what we are becoming. it was only a matter of time before they came for fox news. of the top dozen news network is in the united states, only fox has anan alternative view. the other channels speak with one voice.e. and they are united on every issue every time. they are an almost perfect sync with the priorities of the democratic party. fox news stands apart. the opinion shows on thissi channel have another perspective. you might consider that valuable diversity. something different in a sea of sameness. rightful that fox supports that. the left does not support that. they would like fox news shut down tomorrow. the other news channels agree with that. they would like it too. they're trying to do it

now. it's worth explaining how the process of banning ideas works. the means by which so many voices of already been silenced in this modern era. the first step is defining political disagreement as a mortal threat to the country. something that's dangerous. that's the job of a group called the southern poverty law center. it's an organization whose name intentionally masks its role as an enforcer for the democratic establishment. groups or individuals who challenge the official story on virtually any subject find themselves designated a hate group by the splc. this is a handy way to crush your political enemies, by definition, hate groups don't have legitimate ideas or ideals, they only spew hate. so you don't have to listen to them or debate their claims. you could ignore everything they say. your only duty is to suppress them. that's the beauty of the splc. once they call the people you disagree with a hate group you can move immediately to shut them up by force. and that's what they do.

that's where media matters comes in. media matters is that george soros funded lobbying organization whose sole mission is to punish critics of the democratic party. media matters often uses propaganda fromga the southern poverty law center to bully corporations, news executives and tech companies into punishing people it doesn't like. not surprisingly, the media love media matters. one former employee described the group's relationship with msnbc this way. "we were pretty much writing their prime time. when media matters issued a press release, msnbc pickedke it up "verbatim." media matters for staffers one plan b organizations close relationships with journalists in the national press t corps we fast. here are some quotes. ", greg sargent of "the washington post" will write anything you give him." ben smith coming out bus speed will take stories and write what you want him to write. the people "huffington post" post were always eager to cooperate. jim rainey at the "l.a. times" took a lot of our stuff. brian stelter at

"the new york times" was helpfu helpful. brian stelter has since left "the new york times." he's notef a house unit at cnn announcing proclamations from his tiny king, jeff zucker. he takes his talking points still from media matters. here's his puppet. ♪ >> a lot of what fox does in prime time is resentment television, making a resent liberals and others were trying to hurt you, that the message from fox. i think all of this matters, it's about decency andnd standards. it's about the corrosive ugly, nasty behavior that happens on cable news or off cable news involving some of these hosts. >> tucker: it's about decency cries the unit. we must have decency! by which he means less disobeying, more obedience. stop criticizing the program or else. this is the face of state media.

why does fox even exist, they wonder. got 11 other perfectly good cable channels, all of them approved by management and obedient to the people in charge. how could anybody watch something different? fox can't be legitimate, they must be lying. their viewers must be stupid! listened to don lemon and the governor's brother tell you i fox news shouldn't even be allowed. >> as journalists we have to give you the facts. what happened there is you don't talk about the substance of what you said. or if it's factual or not. you don't talk about that. what you do is you say everybody is out to get me. everyone is out to get conservatives. you just say there is outrage on the left and they have trumped arrangements syndrome without ever addressing the substance. >> they are not about facts. >> another audience just eats it up. yeah, that's right. not even caring about the facts. >> tucker: tom homan is calling you dumb.

savor the moment. but there's an ominous undertone to all of this. he doesn't have the power to have you arrested. nestle is the attorney general of michigan.e attorney general she has created a special hate crime unit whose charter is to investigate any organization identified as a hate group by the splc. this is what weaponized politics looks like. criticize the people in charge and the splc will say commands with guns on you. it's terrifying. even worse, you are subsidizing it without knowing it. both the splc and media matters are amazingly tax-exempt organizations. in its original tax application to the irs, media matters claims that the american news media were dominated by a pro-christian bias that needed them to balance it. despite the obvious absurdity of that claim the group received nonprofit status. it has been violating the terms of that status flagrantly ever since. for example, during the obama

administration media matters hold weekly strategy discussions with the white house about how to hurt its political enemies. media matters kept an enemies list of republicans to destroy including steve king of iowa. this is a violation of federal tax law. tax-exempt nonprofits cannot function as an arm of a political party. media matters clearly does. according to a piece in the new republic, a liberal magazine, media matters changed its mission during the 2016 democratic primaries to campaign hillary clinton. we were "running defense for clinton" one staffer said. "defending him orhe from every blogger in the mother's basement." in a late 2015 memo from insiden clinton's campaign staff discussed cooperating, coordinating, colluding with media matters to attack republicans and accuse the press of bias coverage of hillary. in an email from january 5th 2016 hillary's staff discussed working with media matters to counter a "vanity fair" piece on

huma abedin. "we have media matters and core surrogates lined up, which we can expand on tomorrow." this isn't just unethical, it is illegal. under irs regulations, nonprofits are totally prohibited from a participatingn the campaigns of political candidates. media matters broke the law. the group is never been punished for this, though it is widely known. media matters retains its tax-exempt status. that means that you and every other taxpayer subsidizing attacks on our own first amendment. why is this? how can this be happening? maybe someone should call the irs tomorrow morning and find out. dave rubin hosts the rubin report, don't agree with everything politically but he is a sincere believer in free speech, we wanted to talk to them tonight, thanks very much for coming on. i'm starting to think that a lot of us overestimated the willingness of the democratic establishment to coexist with

people who disagree with them and underestimated the real threat, the actual existential threat to speech that we face now, do you think that's right? >> i wish i could say that this whole situation is shocking but this is exactly what i'ven been raising the alarm about on my show for the last five or ten years. as you know, i come from the left, i was a progressive, ies still consider myself a liberal in the best sense of liberalism, classical liberalism and i believe in the individual and all of that stuff that we talked about several times but i want to address a couple things here. first on the way that you have responded to the attacks by not apologizing. i think that was exactly the right thing to do. all of us have joked, all of us have made mistakes. all of us have it passed. all of us have done things that were not part of and if you've lived you've done those things, including, by the way, the very same media matters people are going after you and all the media elite were reveling in t . >> tucker: let me stop you there. i agree and if i have wanted someone or wrong someone i will

always apologize to that person and ask for forgiveness. i do it every day. i'm not going to apologize to media matters or any other pressure group. i haven't wronged them, they've run to me. i owe them nothing and i will never bow to them, period. i couldn't control myself. i'm for apologies, but not to them. >> i couldn't agree more and by the way that's exactly the message that i think your audience and the average american needs to hear right now. we have watched years now of the mob coming for everybody and as you just laid out, a lot of this stuff is coordinated between nonprofits and media organizations and thet rest of t and it is time that we stop getting into it and not only do we have to stop giving into it so that a guy like you isn't taken out and that a network like fox isn't taken out or any network. we are still free here in this country for little while longer i think and i will continue to fight for it. but it's not just that. it's because what they're really trying to do is they are tryingg

to make the average citizen, the average person who was an american fear that whatever they said 20 years ago that someone can dig up on facebook or wherever it is or some old audio recording but they will go after them. you were joking around with bubba the love sponge. i'm pretty sure that as a shock track -- you know who i would love to get involved in this by? if howard stern happens to watch her show by any chance. for 30 years0 he was the number one shock jock in the country and imagine the politicians, actors, comedians, authors that walk to that studio and said completely bananas, crazy things,it sometimes joking, sometimes partly true, it doesn't even matter. the point is that if we are going to come for everyone 'has passed that means everyone in the same people who are coming for you, they better watch out and that idea of mutually assured destruction is not -- it's not part of the america that i want to be part of. i want to be part of something that has a little bit of a forgiveness, but understand we are all imperfect creatures and

that is a little more respectful of our ability to agree to disagree because that's what this country is founded on. >> tucker: exactly. in the last 24 hours i received, i don't know, dozens of transcripts of prominent progressives saying awful things on the show are that show, we could do a whole show on this. they said it too. i'm notha doing that because i think you ought to be able to say what you think, you are to be able to make jokes, make mistakes and i'm not going to playay their game come period ad i don't care from benefit from it. very i quickly, tell us -- he thought about that so much and i hope you'll come back on to further explain it w but what cn the average person who is essentially powerless in the face of this do to protect his right to his god-given rights? >> starts picking up now. this comes up -- every college i speak it, every public event, this is what young people are asking about, i'm afraid to speak up. i want to get the grade, i want to get out of school but i don't want to get fired from my job, that ability that is silencing good decent people usually leave a little bitit like, they are

usually libertarian or conservative, something like that, imagine if everyone starts picking up, and i don't believe that most people are racist. i don't believe that most people are bigots or want to do harm, i think that people are now free to speak and the only way we're going to break this thing -- that's why they're coming after you, because you been the most vocal in the mainstream fighting this and if more of us start doing it, they can't take us all down and if we don't then we will get what we deserve, which is something far far worse than his country that they seem to have so many problems with. >> tucker: i hope your words wind up on people's refrigerators because you are absolutely right. thank you come over to sue. >> i look at keep defending you. really. think more people need to do itt and you have a lot of support out there and i can tell you this, you have support and quarters of the left that you don't even know you dodo and thy are just afraid to speak out and i will keep working on those guys too. >> tucker: i appreciate it. q. former white house counsel to george h.w. bush, he has filed a complaint with the irs seeking tont pull media matters for tax-exempt status and he joins us today. thanks for coming on.

your complaint, and the information in the public domain make it very clear that media matters is violating its tax-exempt status. why does it still possess that status? >> well, because the irs hasn't reconsidered what it did. and it's not entirely legal but the government is not always entirely fair. and they've misused you, they'va abused you and they've abused me in a sense because i'm subsidizing a tax on your program and i don't find that fair. if anybody wants to spend hiso own nickel attacking anybody on television or what they've said, that's fine. but i don't think it ought to be subsidized by the federal government. that's completely wrong in the government ought to stay out ofe it. >> tucker: so there's documentary evidence to show conclusively from both sides of it that media matters coordinated with a hillary clinton for president campaign in 2016.

that is a prima facie -- you tell me, you are the lawyer who specializes in this. that would appear to be a violation. >> there's no question about it andr remember that on the complaint was first filed by me and others, they had declared war onon fox news. they had declared war on fox. that's a violation right there. they've been in violation for over a decade. and it's really since their founding. so it's really outrageous and i don't know how it can be stopped, but i think maybe it's time for someone to speak up at the white house and say look, the irs is under the control of right-thinking people, bettereo thinking people and let's see if we can push the irs to treat you fairly and to treat all people fairly who don't want to subsidize speech they don't agree with. >> tucker: there were entirely

legitimate nonpartisan conservatives who did not receive tax-exempt status under lois lerner at the iris purely because she didn't like the politics and now you have the irs protecting an openly partisan group in flagrant violation of the law. and you've think maybe there's something wrong with the irs. >> there's something wrong with the irs. that's not the only agency where there something wrong. so keep up your good work, because as your previous guest said, if people don't speak out, then we are all lost. and that's the big omission, people not speaking out. there's nothing more harmful than top keep silent when you should be defending yourself and others for exercising their own first amendment rights. >> tucker: amen. i agree with that. thank you very much for coming on pretty >> my pleasure. good luck to you. >> tucker: thank you.

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which calls for the impeachment of an unfit resident. >> support impeaching president trump and i think it's important that we talk about impeaching president trump. >> tucker: important that we talk about impeachment. mpmaxine waters has been talking about impeachment for many years now. she says the democrats already have the evidence they need. >> this deplorable, despicable human being that occupies h the be there.e should not they say maxine, please don't say impeachmentny anymore. and when they say that i say impeachment, impeachment, impeachment. >> tucker: it's just too amusing. democratic a medical commentator, we're happy to have them tonight. thanks a lot for cominghank on. i guess the obvious technical, legal constitutional question is, is being an "despicable human being" grounds for impeachment? >> should be but it's not. >> tucker: if not, just

checking. >> it should be. it's high crimes and misdemeanors and i think that's what nancy pelosi him and a lot of the top democrats of insane, we have to wait for the mueller report, we have to wait and find out what is in it and if we find out that any of those things to place, then impeachment is something that we should look at but right now she is saying no, it's not worth it because it's divisive. >> tucker: wait, what she just said contradicts itself. the democrats are saying let's wait for the report and find out what's in it, then we will decide whether that constitutes a high crime or a misdemeanor, but you also just said correctly even before we see in a report that we shouldn't impeach. why they preemptively judging the mueller report? the whole light up and telling us for two years is wait-and-see. why are they not sticking with that like? >> what i was saying was -- i will say it again. at what they are saying is right now there's no reason for impeachment because we don't have the mueller report. once we get the mueller report, if we see that there are high crimes and misdemeanors, the not something wewe should discuss bt right now we don't have the informationn, multiple democratc reps have said the same thing,

reps have said the same thing, right now if there are grounds for impeachment. we have to wait for the mueller report. >> tucker: obviously colluding with a foreign power to support a hightion would be crime or misdemeanor by anyone's definition. and they've been alleging that trump is guilty, that for two and a half years, now they are conceding is not guilty. >> they are not conceding. there's no concessions. >> tucker: if there is. let me just finish the sentence. they are conceding they don't have the evidence that their initial claims were true. they got way out over what they knew to be true, make these reckless claims, scare the hell out of america and now two and a half years later they can't prove it. shouldn't they just apologize? we were wrong. we were completely irresponsible we were completely irresponsible >> it's not whatpo they've donet all. with that said -- they are not backing off, they are not n conceding. they said right now it's not worth it. we don't have evidence to support that yet.er we're waiting for the conclusion of the mueller report. when we get the mueller report, then we will know for sure.

that's not a confession. >> tucker: so what i'm going to do when'm the mueller report comes out and i'm sure it will allege all kinds of things -- i doubt it will allege collusion because i don't think there's any evidence that happens. >> you don't know that. >> tucker: maybe 40 minutes of tape, not just of french characters like maxine waters but if democratic leaders like the speaker of the house and the head of the intel committee saying there was collusion, there was a betrayal of the united states of america and it was a suburban of our democracy, they made those claims. they haven't been able to prove them. shouldn't they say i'm sorry we overstated what we>> knew? >> i think the claims have been that it is there feeling based on intelligence reports, based on the intelligence agencies, multiple of them, that say that this is what putin wanted, this is what was going on, that that was there feeling based on the information that they had? nobody pretended to be a psychic and knew what the mueller report would be. we have to wait, but based on the evidence that they have -- prompted -- a rocket to ask hillary clinton server at a campaign rally in front of the

entire country. it's not like it that far -- >> tucker: secret? it with the russians at a campaign rally. what you are arguing -- what they're arguing is he committed treason but we can't impeach him. >> absolutely not. >> tucker: if it is treason we can't impeach them. >> that's not what they're saying at all. they said what for the report -- i did not say that i'm used to that. i did not say that. >> tucker: i was in track but i hope you will t t come back wn the report comes out and we can talk it through. >> i'd be glad to say it again. be glad to state again. thanks. good to see you. >> tucker: pretty amazingrm story tonight. confirms every suspicion you've ever had about the scam that is higher education. a college cheating scam, there latest proof that the people in charge lived by very different standards from the rest of us. their kids go to harvard, your kids don't. we will tell you exactly how it works after the break. ♪

>> tucker: in a story that confirms every single thing you've long known but that they assured you wasn't true at all, dozens of people, including ceos and took a prominent actresses have been caught up io a massive cheating and bribery scandal involving admissions to the nations of top colleges. there's a very narrow road to affluence and prominence in this country. they control the gates to it. they are excluding you and letting themselves in. trace gallagher has more on this amazing t story. >> the feds say operation varsity blues began in 2011 and ended last month for 33 parents, so far, paid anywhere from 200,000 to $6.5 million to get their kids into an elite college. court records say the parents paid the money to a college and career advisor named william singer and singer, was already pled guilty, would in turn funnel the money to coaches and college administrators to make kids look like star athletes. he also bribed testing centers to alter s.a.t. and act scores

or higher proctors to sit with students while they took the test.eg >> there can be no separate college admissions systems for the wealthy and i will add that there will not be a separate criminal justice system either. >> along with prominent law and business professionals, actresses lori locklin and felicity huffman have also been charged. the fbi said she and her fast been stomach fashion designer has been paid $500,000 to have their two daughters recruited to the university of southern california'sre t crew m even though the girls had never differ road -- . and actress policy have been allegedly paid $15,000 to boost her daughter's s.a.t. score and indeed it went up 400 points. a judge isd now released her on $250,000 bond. her husband, the actorha william h. macy has not been charged. many of the suspects are not cooperating, including the former yale women's soccer coach

was paid $400,000 for recruiting a girl whenever play competitive soccer. when she got into yale, her parents paid him an additional $1.5 million. tucker. >> tucker: my mind is blown. trace gallagher, thank you. exactly the person wanted to talk to tonight, a political science professor at notre dame and he joins us tonight. thanks very much for coming on. it sounds like it's not really a meritocracy. >> well, it's a meritocracy that is now taking on all of the features of the old aristocracy. in other words, it's able to perpetuate itself from one generation toge the next, whichs at least in theory what the meritocracy came into being to get rid of. so what we have now is a new version of the old aristocracy. >> tucker: what i'm confused by his wife took the police sting to unearth this information. colleges are supported heavily -- wouldn't exist in

many cases without federal subsidies either directly or through federally backed student loans, so why isn't the admissions process transparent? >> thehe admissions process has always had features to it that invite gaming, i think we could callnk it. and i think what we saw today is really just the logical extension of long-standing gaming. most of which in fact, probably the lion's share of which is entirely legal but it involves assisting our children and taking theng standardized tests and enrolling them in enrichment camps and all kinds of service opportunities that end up patting resumes and for some parents, moving into school districts where your public school education is going to get you certain advantages. so we have had a system that has invited this kind of gaming and i think what we saw today is really just a logical extension ofut this into illegality, but let's face it, this is simply a

manifestation of what's already been the case, the wealthy and the powerfull are able to game the system and ensure that their children have advantages that most children do not have. >> tucker: they are also the same ones were very apt to lecture everyone else about diversity and the need for diversity in higher education. that was not a diverse group, from what i can tell. i sense there's a connection there. >> i think there's a deep connection. in fact, as it's become more and more difficult for most families to have students admitted to these -- let's say increasingly is narrow path to success and achievement in american society, at the very same time we've seen these s institutions become the centers of claims of egalitarianism and woke -- waukomis, to use the term. when i taught at princeton i had an article from "the new york times" on my door. interview to dean of students about the selectivity of eating

kind of theirctivity of eating version of fraternities. in the dean of students stated without self-consciousness, she stated there was no place for selectivity and elitism on the princeton campus. this is the kind of viewpoint -- it's the kind of viewpoint that one encounters at these kinds of everyoneons where believes they are the very portrait of egalitarianism and are completely unaware in some ways of how profoundly elitist and selective they actually are. >> tucker: do you think they really believe that or they just projecting? they sort of know how rotten and corrupt the system is and that spurs them to attack everyone else as rotten and corrupt? >> i think it's probably a bit of a mix. there are certainly awareness of how difficult it is to get into these kinds of institutions but i think there's also a kind of deep, almost self-deception that takes place as soon as you are a part of this ruling class. in a democracy it's on acceptable to be a kind of aristocrat. these institutions cry and decry

and denounce any form of inequality except the very one that perpetuates this elite class that occupies these institutions. >> tucker: exactly. professor, one of the few wordpress pressers to my professors i really respect. thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: new harris poll shows that young people in this country are losing faith in free enterprise at a very rapid clip. about half of millennials respondent say they would prefer toso live in a socialist countr. katie pavlich is at town town l and joins us tonight to explain what exactly is goingla on. if this poll had been taken 20 years ago i think people have assumed there was something wrong with the way -- no one would have believed this. what is changed? >> today people to believe it because when you talk to young people on college campuses like i do on a regular basis, they do think that they believe in socialism. this is a culmination of decades

of the left having a monopoly on education and through their indoctrination -- not starting in college but at kindergarten through k-12 they are talking about socialist policies, marxist policies and even communism as better ways -- economies than capitalism and they are doing it in a resentful way, turning americans against americans, telling young kids in elementary school that the reason why they're worse off is because somebody else is rich and you and i know that's not the case. they've been very successful at reading this resentment, class warfare is coming to fruition and let's not forget this did start really coming to head under barack obama when he was accused of advocating for socialist policies when he talked about spreading the wealth around, but you are a racist if you decided tout talk about that type of ideology, about socialism. so we didn't talk about it and people at bernie sanders now, aoc have taken advantage of that smear and have promoted it as a

society that we should be embracing while not just venezuela falls apart, but states like new york and california fall apart as a result of these kinds of policies. >> tucker: so why didn't the generations of pro-market sponsored by theo-market conservative establishment have anyen effect? >> i think it's had somewhat of an effect but the truth is that conservatives just aren't in the education system and the public education system like we wish they could be. if you look at the percentage of college professors who are conservative, it's just like the white house press corps, something like 7% of college professors identify as republicans and of course professors and administrators all over the country have done everything they can to squash any kind of dissent to talk about this conservative ideology and students on campusus are punished for having a different ideology then, i don't know, the marxist posterior that's on the wall of one of their professors in one of their classes such as

mine when i was in college. so there is a damaging effect in terms of conservative students not being able to speak up for what they want and then conservative professors being nonexistent in a way that teaches young people something they haven't heard before. you can't blame people for not knowing something they haven't't been told and the only thing that they have heard from preschool to college is about how socialism is fine, it's a better system, it's more fair. they play to theil emotions here but it will say there's plenty of organizations that do educational videos that are educatingg young people on these issues and hopefully can turnul the tide when it comes to socialism because it's not good for young people. everybody thinks that it allows you from our freedom or liberty but the fact is it makes every single person the sameve and limits your ability to be yourself and an individual d ani don't know any 18 to 30 old who wants to be controlled by anybody else, right? so when you tell them there are rules attachedio and you don't t to make decisions on your own, that everything is a one-size-fits-all policy

mandated by the government, you don't have a choice, they tend to change their mind. >> tucker: young people i believe their professors. i've never understood that. i never understood, it occurred to me. some of the least impressive people in the world. i don't know why you would believe them, but they do. great to see see you. >> thanks, seeee you. >> tucker: they're calling it a fourth strike. some young people in great britain are refusing to have children. if they say it's for the sake of the planet. is it a sign of something deeper that is a mess western civilization? that's next. ♪ cancer...epilepsy...

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>> tucker: the left claims that it opposes racism. by now you know the left is always projecting. what they say you are doing is what they are doing and are constantly -- they do it constantly, what is by publicizing fake hate crimes or bringing back segregation, sometimes just mindless coverage of news stories. this headline, real headline that rented in "washington post" and we are quoting now "whites are mainly too lame for air pollution but blacks and hispanics bear the burden says a new study." [laughs] it's too funny. let's just be cleared up. take three steps back. this article was designed to attack an entire group based solely on their skin color. atea the headline and all the

paragraphs are all meant to attack this racial group in our midst and imply that there racist by doing what? it doesn't say. it doesn't matter. they are hurting other people. this article doesn't seek to help the environment. ifek it was, they could talk abt overall air pollution levels, which by the way, the post is even reported this, have to declined dramatically for everybody because the factories closedus. focus on the extra air pollution caused the immigration driven population growth or by wealthy people jetting across the country to attend, i don't know, climate conferences, but they didn't. jeff bezos wouldn't like that. he's one of those people and the post know that because it's his newspaper. in an age of concern about climate change, some people have become opposed to the very idea of having children. congressman alexander of kaiser cortez is warning that itor coud be immoral to have kids. >> our planet is going to be disaster if we don't turn the ship around so basically like there is scientific consensus that the lives of children are going to be very difficult and

it does lead, i think, young people to have a legitimate question, is it okay to still have children? >> tucker: some people have decided that no, it is not okay to stop children. cofounder of a group of people refusing to have children in order to resist climate change and to try just in it. cs thanks very much for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: the story makes me sad. i'm not here to attack you, i want toou take what you are sayg seriously. but i'm not sure i understand why you're choosing not to have children. i would be grateful if you would tell us. >> sure. thank you for asking, because a lot of people are getting a little bit confused about what we are trying to do here. birth strike isn't about trying to stop other people fromom havg children. we feel too afraid to have kids because we feel we are heading towards civilization breakdown as a result of the environmental

crisis and the sort of mismanagement or political menasha dealing with it. it does not make sense? >> tucker: it does make sense. it's a sadder answer even than i imagined -- there are a lot of people who argue that nobody should haveou kids. that's one argument --yo you're basically saying the species is over, it's hopeless, we should in effect assp a group ended, commit suicide. >> well, i think where we are now is incredibly frightening and what i discovered when i made the decision and started talking about it to other young women around me was that we felt like we lost faith in the system and thes authorities because thy weren't really dealing with the situation. they weren't managing the t thrt properly that we've been told about. so yes, it is quite sad, but at the same time, birth strike itself is a hopeful act where we are trying to say is come on, we've got two options.

we either unite collectively behind action on this immediately because we are already heading towards the collapse, or we can find ourselves -- it sounds crazy, but it's true, extinction.t >> tucker: what makes this so sad as this is a metaphor for the broader west boss of the will to live, which is so obvious everywhere you turn. i wondered if it occur to you -- i'm not disagreeing with your forecast, that are bumpy times ahead, that's t obvious, but wouldn't it be a mark of defiance, may be part of the solution to have a bunch of smart, decent children who might solve these problems? >> i totally understand that point of view and there's been people in my life who are very aware of the severity of what we are heading to who have made that decision and that said it's the kind of most hopeful act

that you could take is to have a child in these times and i do respect that. i do respect that. >> tucker: if you were to fly to africa tonight and just do a tour, scores of country in africa but if you were to just pick five and meet ten people in each on the street and asked them what you're doing, what do you think their reaction would be? >> have no idea. >> tucker: do you think people outside the west can understand this? you think is any other civilization that has decided things are so hopeless we must all die? know.eally don't i wouldn't be able to say. >> tucker: is this something you thought for a long time -- tell us how you were convinced that things were so bad that you shouldn't reproduce? >> of been concerned the environment for a long time but

i got distracted by my career and just being a young person and living the life that i saw other people on television living that seem to be the right thing to do and then the last few years i just kept reading more and more things and last year with the report that came out and then the met report and things that have been corroborated by pretty much 99% of thehe scientific community, f not all scientists, it's pretty incontrovertible now i would say. >> tucker: i don't mean this as a criticism, i mean it sincerely, what you're describing sounds very much like a religious conversion and the life you're living seems almost a monastic life, has not occurred to you? >> and monastic life. no. you should come and hang out with me a bit. >> tucker: you're giving up her family for the cause.

>> children around me and i'm fighting for them really. this is my way of saying come on, humanity. we've got two options. we are either going to commit some kind of species suicide by ignoring the issue because we are too afraid of the change or something we are going to unitet together and at least try and manage some of the collapse that's predicted in a sensible and rational way. i'm not living a monastic life, no. >> tucker: we just met, it's a little early for me to be giving end witht i want to us, i think you should have children, i think they solve a lot of problems and put things in perspective. >> we don't have time. >> tucker: yes we do. there's always time. thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: there isn't simply just a war on children and a war on men under one reason, a lot of wars going on but there's also beneath the waves and war

on meat. they could take your stakes away, that's next. ♪

♪ >> tucker: not so long ago, we interviewed a former amazon employee called shannon allen. allen told us how she became homeless after she was injured working at an amazon warehouse and had her workers' comp denied. >> tucker: just to be clear, you are injured on the job you say, and he wound up living in your car. >> yes. i started living in my car several months ago because of nonpayment from the workers' comp and from amazon. >> tucker: so amazon reached out to us and said allen's case was very unusual. that never happens. amazon has a lot of happy, satisfied workers. richest man. jeff bezos is the world's richest man.

that does not mean he treats the people who work for him humanely. he does not. dozens of times over the past five years, 911 dispatchers have received frantic phone calls from amazon warehouses warning that employees, jeff bezos' employees, were on the brink of suicide. >> this is the amazon -- >> amazon.com. >> what is a situation? >> male, 34, suicide. >> t they have a female associae they believe has overdosed on the scene at the moment with a possible emotional disorder. >> he attempted to cut himself through our four times tonight. >> what did he attempt to cut himself with? >> one of our safety box cutters. >> she has very specific plans.f she made a threat that she has enough pain pills in her car to basically ended. >> did he say how he would kill himself? >> has he said how he would kill himself? blow his brains out. >> tucker: if those were your

employees, your people, you'd be very upset. jeff bezos is not very upset. he doesn't need to be. he knows the way out. just donate to a few liberal lifestyle causes. push for gay rights in russia. have his own personal vanity newspaper, the "washington post," run a few more pieces attacking people for the color of their skin, and the left will be placated. republicans in washington, they'll never even notice. frustratingly. democrats don't want you driving cars, flying on planes or having children, all for the sake of the environment, which is an utterly abstract concept to them. they're now coming after your dinner. mayor bill de blasio has announced meatless mondays for the entire new york public schoolce system. the largest larger zone this confident. the purpose is to stop global warming somehow. >> thinking about our kids individually, we want them to be as healthy as they can be and we want them to learn as well as they can learn. meatless mondays will help.

it will create more balance in their lives. we're talking about the climate, the existential threat of global warming. this is something that we do that is another contribution to addressing global warming, striking my balance and our whole society. >> tucker: dumbest politician in america? that's unfair. there is actually one who'ss dumber. she's 29 and in congress now. she's also joined the anti-meat cause. the green new deal requires people not to eat so many burgers. >> my twitter mentions, i'm getting a lot of references about cow farts. i think that's a reference to your green new deal. can you address that? >> you got to address factory farming. maybe we shouldn't be eating a hamburger for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. >> tucker: mark steyn is an author and columnist. he joins usar tonight. do you feel that your diet is threatened by the newly emerging left? >> yeah, i -- as i understand

it, every time i have a cheeseburger, a polar bear dies. i don't want to -- as your previous guest was saying, that nice young lady, we shouldn't be having kids. we should go extinct. if you do make the mistake of having kids, the least you could do is not have your kids eat meat so that cows will go extinct and therefore there won't be the devastation wreaked by bovine flatulence. we're approaching the point at which liberal myths are terrorizing millions of hitherto same people. >> tucker: yes, that's right. you had that same reaction to the interview with a woman. i felt sorry for her. i wasn't mad at her. she's been told by the religious leaders in her global warming cult that having children is wrong. she's basically joined a monastery and given up her life in service of their weird religion. she's g the victim. >> actually, modern day climate cultism is rather like the

shakers. the shakers, you'll recall, in parts of northern new england, they -- they eschewed breeding so that tribe would not multiply and they could only win over people, create more shakers, by conversion. that's actually modern day liberalism, whether by your previous guest or mayor de blasio, hence these -- hence these meatless mondays. which, again, de blasio's point of view, it's just boutique attitude striking narcissistic naval gazing nonsense liberalism. at the sharp ened, people like that young lady you talked to, who are terrified because they made the mistake of believing these lunatics. >> tucker: exactly right. jim jones was hilarious until your niece joined him and moved to guyana. at which point he became really, really tragic. >> yeah. >> tucker: the shakers did useful things.

they had a beautiful aesthetic sense. they were tremendous carpenters and built great boxes. famous for their joinery. what do modern progressives create? >> that's shakerism without the attractive furniture. this other big meat -- i mean, i think one of the reasons theyy don't like meat, by the way, is because it's a primal thing. even if youu get it in a polystyrene wendy's drive-through container, the idea that -- that's why the expression "red meat" does use for particularly iraq, blood a rhetoric. hitler had a nuremberg rally, and he tossed red meat to the crowd. so actually, the war on red meat is part of the sort of news that rising of society in that sense. you know, -- >> tucker: that's true. i would point out the genocidal leader you pointed out was a vegetarian in all fairness. >> that's true.

>> tucker: great to see you. thank you very much for that. >> always a pleasure to be with you, tucker. >> tucker: it is for me. we'll be back tomorrow, 8:00 p.m., the show that is the swory enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness and groupthink. >> sean: i have to give you a compliment. tucker was going to be off this week. it's a busy news week and he's not going to take the mob's crap.it and he came into work to -- to stand up to this. and i want the great viewers of this channel to know that. >> tucker: i thank you, sean. you've helped me every bit of the way, i have to say. we've been talking every day. >> sean: i'm an expert at this. >> tucker: [laughs] you are an expert. >> sean: i don't get it. i'm trying to help you -- laura, you, me. it never stops. anyway, always great to see you. have a great rest of vacation that you were supposed to have. welcome to "hannity."