geography, typography, all allt is right there on this island. speech at the top of the r, mercedes schlapp says the president will be speaking to the prime minister of new zealand today. we are continuing coverage of all that particular right here. it's between five starts right now. >> harris: we begin with the fox news alert, new details and a shocking massacre at two mosques in new zealand. authorities in the united states are stepping up security and abundance of caution, even here. a government opening fire on worshipers in the city of christchurch, killing 49 people and injuring dozens of others. president trump tweeted this. "my warmest sympathy and best wishes go out to the people of new zealand, after the horrible massacre in the mosques. 49 innocent people have so senselessly died with so many more seriously injured. the u.s. stands by new zealand for anything we can do. god bless all!" here at home, extra police

officers have been deployed to mosques around new york city and other united states cities to ensure the safety of worshipers taking part in morning prayers. our jonathan hunt is live now with the latest. jonathan? >> harris, if they massacre that has left new zealand and indeed the world stunned. the pair minister of new zealand describing the events of friday as one of her country's darkest days. it was an attack aimed deliberately at muslims. a gunman live streaming every moment via a camera mounted on his head. we are not showing any of that video at this point, but i have watched it for the sake of our reporting and it is important to describe the detail. the government drives calmly toward a mosque, playing music, talking to himself, saying, "let's get this party started." he then takes weapons from his trunk, walks towards the mosque which was filling up for friday prayers, and opens fire. going down at least two men at the doorway.

then he walks inside and shoots every single person he can see. he reloads several times and at one point goes back into a room where two large groups are laying on the floor, many of them already dead. some wounded. he walks calmly around, taking kill shots. finishing off his victims with head or body shots. once he leaves the mosque, he shoots several people on the street including a woman wearing traditional muslim dress. she is wounded. she lies on the street, crying out for help. the gunman walks up to her and, once again, delivers a final head shot. he then gets back in his car, drives over the woman, and continues to shoot other people from his vehicle. the video stops after about 16 got-wrenching minutes. the men on the video also left what new zealand authorities described as a manifesto online. in it he describes himself as a 28-year-old australian citizen. he talks about intimidating and repelling what he repeatedly calls "muslim invaders."

he says mass immigration is a threat to civilization, and he says he supports president trump as a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose. police now have at least three people in custody, one of whom apparently is seen being arrested on this video. not at whom, according to officials, have been on their terrorism radar in either new zealand or australia. the prime minister said new zealand is a proud melting pot and immigrants add much to the community. >> they have chosen to make new zealand their home, and it is their home. they are us. the person who has perpetuated this violence against us is not. they have no place in new zealand. there is no place in new zealand for such acts of extreme and unprecedented violence. >> the gunman who live streamed his horrific attack and was taken into custody live also

said in his apparent manifesto that he hoped to go to trial, where he will plead not guilty because, in his view, he was taking action against an occupying force. leaders around the world have refuted that idea, saying it was an act of pure hate, pure evil. harris? >> harris: jonathan hunt on this story. jonathan, we will come back as the news warrants. we will stay on this all our as things are developing. thank you. another fox news alert now as we await president trump's first ever veto after a dozen senate republicans joined democrats to pass a resolution rejecting the president's declaration of national emergency on the southern border. you are watching "outnumbered," i'm harris faulkner. here today, fox business network anchor, dagen mcdowell. town hall editor and fox news contributor, katie pavlich. most of kennedy on the fox business network, kennedy. it in the center seat, i believe this is a first. former obama economic advisor,

founder, and ceo of 32 advisors and fox news contributor, robert wolf. we will get straight to the news, but welcome to the program. >> robert: think you for having me. >> harris: present troubles returned to push back after lawmakers have rejected as national emergency declaration for border wall funding. 12 republican senators voted with democrats for a resolution blocking the president's declaration. this, despite white house efforts to keep republicans united on the issue of border security. in his response yesterday, president trump sent out this 1-word tweet -- "veto." while some republicans voted against the president saying they are concerned about executive overreach, others said the president made the right move. here is senator john barrasso. >> i stand with the president. there is a national emergency at the border. i was with the president wednesday afternoon in the white house. he felt the vote was going to go this way. he is prepared to veto. i encourage them to do so, and

his veto will be sustained. there are not of the votes to override the president. >> harris: you know this has been a week of votes, so the senate this week has already dealt with the president another setback. approving a bill that would end u.s. military assistance for the saudi-led war in yemen. robert, i want to get your thoughts on this. many of these issues are turning out to be bipartisan, which is an opportunity for democrats to reach across the aisle and work together to maybe find some common ground within the conversation about the wall on immigration. could you see that happen? >> robert: i think that's idealistic, but it would be great. >> harris: ugh ro khanna hope! >> robert: i think hope is good. as you know , i backed a guy who thought hope and change was good. >> kennedy: he backed the idea but not the implementation! [laughter] >> robert: ouch. over 20% of republicans didn't look for this. i listened to chris wallace earlier, i think he was right. process versus policy. i think these republicans

absolutely support the present with respect to his border wall. this is a constitution, and we all know the constitution has the power of the purse. they went to an appropriations process that was done by senator shelby and nita lowey. both sides bipartisan. they came out and give the president x number of dollars s and that's not what he wanted. then he made a national emergency. he has that right, but not when it's based on dollars and cents. he does not have the power of the purse. >> harris: you know it's interesting, katie -- i did some homework on a national emergency declarations. that's not was interesting. what is is that when you look at president to have done this in the past -- bill clinton, 17 declared. george bush, 13. obama, 12. president trump already with three this year. most fall under the economic emergency powers act or president trump. he has looked at things like penalizing countries who interfere with our elections. that's the level. how is it that democrats and

others see this type of declaration is different? >> katie: well, president obama also signed an emergency declaration about mexican drug cartels, transnational commercial organizations, turn to free some of their assets, and mating thee a threat on the border and engaging in violent activity that affected americans. when it comes to democrats opposing's national emergency it's very clear that they are doing this for political reason reasons. republicans had a very heartfelt yesterday in the sand. many of them voted against it, fighting the constitution, saying the president can't move money around. other constitutional scholars like ted cruz and ben sasse voted in favor of the resolution, saying, "look, congress has given the president this authority and we have introduced a bill to take some of that power back from the executive." democrats in the house led by nancy pelosi are not willing to vote for that bill to take back some of the power from the executive, which proves that for them it's political and for republicans it was about principle. >> harris: i just want to point back here, i'm looking at the whole list. those were executive orders that

president obama issued on the national security issue with the border. >> katie: so not a national emergency. >> robert: national emergency was done for 9/11. those were true national emergencies. >> harris: other things, too. >> robert: but they were not done -- >> katie: we just want to disturb us the difference between a national emergency -- >> harris: south sudan, doesn't say what it was yet. for burgundy. there are some things that even outside of our country. this one is right on the edge of our country, kennedy. >> kennedy: you know what i like? that it's a procedural discussion. as robert points out. it is nice to see within one party, instead of just following a zombie lockstep behind your congressional leader like the house speaker, some republicans really take the time to think about this issue. having a rational discussion. because mike lee said, "i agree with the president. there needs be more security. we need to be doing more and finding it appropriate, putting money in the right place so that people don't come in and harm us to try to take our

freedom." that's fine, but what he also said is that we have to limit these types of declarations and put a 30 day cap on them. and send them to congress. that was a measure that mike lee put forward. >> harris: you know that's not happening very often. >> kennedy: he also ended up voting with the measure and against ben sasse and lindsey graham and ted cruz, who went to the white house to try and reason with the president. and say, "listen, there's got to be a way around this." and he admonished them with a very stern talking to and somehow got all three of them to vote against this century. >> harris: of the 58 or 60 times using these decorations issued in the past, 31 of them are still in effect. i want to talk about delicate s with you, digging. the president could have declared this at any time. he could have done this. this is what sarah sanders told me on overtime this week. he wanted to bring it into the fold. >> dagen: you heard this from senator kevin kramer, and i will just quote him. for those most republicans want

to claim purity as the reason for a "yes" vote today, i remind them that we were complicit in this because we were so anxious to make sure that the government didn't get shut down again. we agreed to a lower border funding number. the president agreed to sign it. again, in terms of any division that you see within the republican party, certainly that is the narrative that some of the democrats are trying to push that you had these 12 republicans who voted with the measure in the senate. that's not the division. the division is between a lot of these republicans and the american people, where we know that this issue on border security is one of the top issues in this country. and you have republicans, when they had the house and the senate last year, who did not vote using the power of the purse to deprive sanctuary cities of money. they did not fully fund the border wall to the level that president trump was requesting. so i think if there is any division it's the fact that they are not -- >> harris: interesting. >> robert: to add to that, the

process is working. he put through a national emergency, he has the right. they voted. he lost in the vote. he has the right to veto, which he will. and then the process would take a different turn, which will likely go to the supreme court. >> harris: wait a minute, doesn't it have to go past nancy pelosi again? i know she doesn't have the votes to override a veto, but let's not skip a step here. >> robert: but no one -- >> katie: you will see if the house decides to try a veto. >> robert: they don't have a veto override. there won't be a veto override, that's what i meant. >> harris: there won't be an override to him that he goes to the supreme court. what happens do you think, that level, katie? based on the make up of the court. >> dagen: i don't need to step in, but there's a step before it gets to scotus. bringing the total to 20. they are seeking injunctive relief to block the decoration to at least all that. >> katie: but there's also a lot of her publican attorneys

general in support, legally, of the president prayed this is what the court system is going to have to find out. the president has clearly stated multiple times he fixed the legal system is on his side. a number of republican and democrat senators have actually admitted that they also believe that because they've deferred so much power to the executive that he has the legal authority to do this. so we will see if that ends up playing out. one point that i continue to make and will continue to make until there is a solution to it is that none of this does anything to solve the crisis on the border. 78,000 people came into the country illegally in february. that was just the people who were caught. border patrol could , continues to testify about the resources being depleted due tos in congress is not seemingly doing anything to stop that from continuing. >> harris: hold on one second. two cothings. i've talked with officials about this, the summer season -- and that's three or four summers ago under obama when they sell these unaccompanied minors. that's the season where we typically even see a pickup. it's picking up now? >> kennedy: that was also

because of executive orders. they create confusion and congress has to come up with a system of laws and a system that people understand, people who are here and people who are trying to come here. right now it is so chaotic, and chaos breeds floods of people. >> harris: one thing, you talked about the courts -- remaking the courts for this president might be a bigger legacy for him then tax cuts or anything else. >> robert: no question, the supreme court decisions he has made have given incredible power to the republican party. >> harris: even lower down the stream, they are. >> robert: matter and the president more and he has the right to put in his people. >> katie: it's not even just the supreme court, it's all your records. >> harris: maybe that's why there is a "veto!" on his twitter. he knows if he moves forward he will probably get, as katie has pointed out -- >> kennedy: oh, i thought he was treating beto! one key away. [laughter] >> robert: one point, will hurd, the congressman for

texas, 40% of this wall would be there, he is against it. >> katie: i'm not even talking about the welcome i'm talking about changing the laws. >> robert: that whole debate about the wall, he is against it. by the way, so was mac thornberry. he -- >> katie: if people can come here and falsely claim asylum and get released into the country, a wall doesn't matter because they are -- >> robert: i'm just saying, you should have the debate with will who represents them. >> harris: we will have more debate but we will move onto this. i'm glad you're here, robert wolf. >> robert: thank you. >> harris: one of the families in the center of the college admission scandals are facing backlash as companies are distancing themselves from lori loughlin, her husband, energy daughters. we will talk about the growing scandal and how it's resonating with millions of americans who don't have millions of dollars. plus, a power play on the green new deal. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell will force democrats to show where they stand on that measure,

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and looking to put republicans on the defensive. chuck? >> we are totally unified. everybody knows this bill is a sham and we are going to ask our republican colleagues to answer three super questions. thus far they refused into the improved one, climate change real? two, is caused by human activity customer three, should congress do something about? the fact they are free to answer those three simple questions with no prescription as to what to do puts them on defense. and that's where we have them, that's where we are going to keep them. >> kennedy: not really. meantime, the afl-cio, the largest group of labor unions in the country, coming out against the green new deal. that's problematic. calling it unrealistic, and sing in a letter, "will not accept proposals that could cause immediate harm to millions of our members and their families." here's congresswoman o causey of cortez 's to that. >> robert: there are so much work to do in transferring 200% renewable energy. we have to do that with union

labor, with reinvigorating our entire workforce. i don't think that it's representative of an actual split. >> kennedy: that's funny, because this isn't representative of an actual plan. [laughter] so that makes perfect sense. when you got the largest labor union in the country against you or socialistic proposal, the left might have a few chasms here. >> robert: a lot to unravel there. i would say a couple things. one, smart move by mcconnell. guesses all the democrats are just going to vote "present." >> kennedy: so cowardly. >> katie: so brave with them. [laughs] >> robert: it's just a resolution, not a legislative policy. secondly, where i think the green new deal made a big mistake is they shouldn't have included health care. they shouldn't have included jobs guaranteed. we call it a big kitchen sink as opposed to isolating it to

climate change. therefore i would have such a such republicans, just like i said in health care, health care is all right and there is a climate problem. let them say, "no, there is no climate problem." i think the dems are going to have to rearrange this a bit and say they are for climate change and not force everyone to check the box on something, as we've seen, that says there is no such thing as a guaranteed job for all. >> kennedy: if you don't want to vote, why put it in writing custom xp when it is 14 paces till my pages, cetera clean outline. you saw senator dick durbin, he said, "what the act is this?" and i'm quoting him. i would hold euros just made the basketball playoffs. a lot of my metaphors will deal with that. i think that senator mcconnell just made a ball or move. he did! >> robert: i set it right away, great move. >> harris: it's bold and get some on the record. present doesn't count.

that's like checking, "i'm here." >> dagen: it's a good idea that he gives credit to the editorial board of "the wall street journal," who said this -- he voted on the green new deal and then he announced to think the day after that he was going to move on. it's from the editorial board. this isn't -- it's an outline that only makes sense in light of the of hr puff and stuff. jimmy and we cheap who can explain what it means they can get behind something this idiotic, i want them to step up and say, "okay, everybody in this country. okay, the lower income americans. we are going to drive your electricity prices through the roof and we are going to basically increase the price of gasoline. maybe $5. >> kennedy: that such a good point. what are some of the other costs? some of the other consequences? >> katie: i seem to recall the former president on the campaign trail saying he didn't mind her doubling or tripling electricity

costs by shutting down coal mines. it was a problem. as we saw, it fueled the economic votes for donald trump in 2016. the costs are enormous. this thing cost, what, like $91 trillion when it comes to that customer you can say that it's garbage, because it is, but this is a test for 2020 candidates that are democrats. beto o'rourke, bob o'rourke, he declared yesterday that he was running for president and he said we are going to save the human race from extinction. you have amy klobuchar on record saying, "i may have changed the same things in the green new deal for those who are it, but i supported as an idea." you have them running for president in the senate right now are going to have to vote on this. if they vote for president, they are not only being cowardly about it but they can -- >> kennedy: they're not taking a firm solid stance on it. >> harris: are they voting on something that is a nonbinding resolution customer does voting

on a given more credence and credibility? that this is a thing now customer if you look at it, it isn't a thing necessarily. it's a group of ideas. does it >> katie: there and dousing it on the campaign trail, of course is the thing! 's piece calling it a green dream, by the way. >> harris: that's my question for you. >> robert: i don't think it does because you have two narratives. it depends because we live in this paralyzing society, which narrative you want to listen to. they say climate change is important and republicans don't think it is. and the republicans are going to say -- >> kennedy: don't employ the strawman. faulty republicans of come out and said absolutely climate change is real, that we have to do something into it without our economy. someone with an academic background, you should understand that better than anyone. >> robert: and how many are republicans have come out hard against the president when he decided to be one of the two countries in the world to leave the paris accord? i have not heard them speak to

power on that one. the three some people believe addressing it through the private sector and not through big government. >> dagen: emissions have declined 30% in power production in this country because of natural gas, because of private industry. if any democrat has the guts to call themselves the capitalist, i think beto o'rourke even did that. >> robert: i'm a capitalist, too. don't worry. >> dagen: but you are sitting on the sofa and not running for office, my friend. >> robert: and i never will. [laughter] >> kennedy: why not employ a little more nuclear power in this country? that's clean. >> robert: i think i've been very clear, he would have not seen me sign off on the green new deal the way it is. >> kennedy: [gas] heresy! spew when he's got a nickname. [laughter] a >> robert: joe biden won't sign off on this and beto o'rourke did not say he supported it. >> katie: but he wants to save us from extinction. speech of the judiciary committee releasing transcripts from the closed-door testimony of the fired fbi agent

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>> was there to systems of justice in 2016? one for the democratic candidate, and one for the republican candidate? were the republican candidates campaigned had a jussie smollett warrant issued with somebody associated with it, based on a document that was known to be unravel. why do we appoint a mueller-like figure to look at how the clinton email investigation ended up the way it did? >> dagen: republican senator lindsey graham yesterday explain his decision to oppose a house-pass measure to make the mueller report public. essentially blocking a vote on the senate floor. senator grahamng that he supports mueller's probe book coming out in apparent double standard in the investigation into president trump at hadley clinton. this comes at risk for applicants released transcripts of testimony from former fbi special agent peter strzok, enclosed are hearings last summer he reportedly said that e department of justice negotiated an agreement with her and clinton's legal team

during the investigation into h. peter strzok saying that the agreement denied the fbi access to emails on a private server related to the clinton foundation. again, we find out something new every day about this, katie. where does this go related to the peter strzok peter revelats it was also suggested we need a second special counsel. >> katie: and not sure where it goes. street peter strzok has been fired. andrew mccabe was also fired and is fighting the loss of his pension and those kinds of things. yesterday senator lindsey graham said he would vote for resolution that would imply that robert mueller's special counsel report should be released in full to the american people, if we then on the other side to side to finally investigate what happened with the clinton email investigation with another special counsel. he made the case, "look, i have allowed robert mueller to do his job. i've's that he should be protected. i've advocated for the probe to be protected."

but now that seems to be wrapping up, they should be two sides of justice. one for democrats and one for republicans. one thing really quickly, it's amazing to me that we keep finding out that hillary clinton's lawyers kept getting this permission to negotiate these things. the clinton foundation wouldn't give the fbi access to the server, and somehow there was a negotiation about that? and the average person would never be able to negotiate whether the fbi was allowed to look at something like that, in a criminal investigation. we saw this with her lawyers. they were given immunity because they were involved in the probe, while also presenting here. the corruption goes deep. >> harris: was not before or after it was taken out back? i want to yield on my time to you, robert. you are the closest person on the couch anybody named clinton. my overarching question is, look, this idea of email investigation sankar battleship. it did. you talk about communication and what could have changed. what could have changed if he didn't have a top-secret server. she said she didn't have

classified information on it. i just wonder, aren't you curious even as a democrat to know what the real deal was with that? >> robert: a couple things. i need to respond to what lindsey graham says, because i was incredibly disappointed. the day before, the most bipartisan agenda that came to fruition is 420 house members, grupo again a democrat, voted unanimously to make the mueller report public. for lindsey graham to take what is really the most bipartisan issue and throw it out as her degrees. i need to make it soon because that's an unfair assessment. >> harris: we got it. >> robert: now, the clinton's. sorry about that. >> dagen: but that vote is not legally binding. >> robert: i didn't say it was. >> dagen: who has said that we aren't making the report public? >> robert: i was just responding to lindsey graham. i was only responding to lindsey graham. >> harris: william barr is in charge and he said he will make as much as possible. >> robert: and only responding to lindsey graham. i'm not dodging the question. >> harris: don't you want to

know what happen customer will be wrong with a foreign and wide look at what was going on with that server situation with hillary clinton? >> robert: i have no issue of the fbi and is part of justice feel that they have to investigate what happened with the server while she was secretary of state. then they should do that. to me it's very much yesterday's news but i know that people here don't think that. >> kennedy: that's a talking point. >> robert: i think it's yesterday's news. >> kennedy: still a talking point. >> robert: it still talking point. >> kennedy: all of the elements here that have gone awry are on acceptable. i don't care who is in office or what office they were seeking. when you have the top people at the fbi who were told that they can't look into this server for where the real crimes may have been committed, and we don't know because the people who were in charge of extracting the emails that were thrown away were also acting as hillary clinton's lawyers. they were also witnesses. they were also there at the

fbi -- >> harris: let's give robert a chance to respond. >> robert: i know you like pointing and yelling at me, but -- >> kennedy: it's wrong on all levels. >> harris: or maybe we won't give them a chance to respond. >> robert: you didn't hear what i said. >> kennedy: they thought they were getting jobs in her administration. >> dagen: i will say this, we have michael horowitz, the inspector general, at the justice department. looking at the the five cell wt and the spying on carter page. there somebody working on this and the doses are impaired will find out. >> robert: and need to see what i said, because i think you didn't hear. i said i have no issue with the fbi and department of justice taking it on. i said come personally speaking -- this is my opinion -- i don't really care about it. that's all i said. >> katie: that's unfortunate that you don't care about it. >> dagen: we should all care. there's going to be some kumbaya on the break. i promise. this liberties accused in the outrageous -- by folks along the political spectrum can agree on

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♪ >> harris: we are following what's new in the college admission scandal story rocking the nation right now. the hallmark channel has cut ties with actress lori loughlin, and cosmetics giant sephora and hair care company tressa may have dumped her daughter, olivia jade. a social media influence or come with a color. with millions of followers. in this age of political division, the scandalous parking across the board outrage. some dumped on my twin trying democrats are campaigning on economic inequality, the piece from the atlantic suggests, "it allows the bridge to purchase all kinds of goods and honors that ought to be immune from its influence." for a while, many conservatives accept and equality. they are just as angry as liberals when elites looked down on ordinary folks. when big corporations use political influence to shadow their competitors, or when the

country's rich and famous pursue ever more elaborate schemes to get their children into college." there's a lot there, robert. >> robert: this was criminal activity. i don't think it's a republican or democrat thing. this was a criminal activity. listen, i have given to university of and the wharton school. neither of my kids decided to go there. i am proud that i get back to the school. i will -- >> harris: is that your alma mater? >> robert: that is my alma mater. there's a big difference when you are changing the resumes and bio playlists of your will, their athletic ability. literally lying on contracts. >> kennedy: photoshop! >> harris: photoshoping faces like me on lebron james 'body. [laughter] >> robert: is not about my opinion of wealthy people giving philanthropic wood. this is about wealthy people during fraudulent activities for the kids. they got trout and they're going to get trouble. this view on the kids are paying the price, too. it's furthering down the

bloodstream. >> katie: the whole thing is a disaster. if the kids didn't know, did they know? worthy engaging with us fraud with their parents? their teenagers and the parents are essentially pressuring them to commit fraud to get into the school, not on their own volition. in the gift of the real world and realize the cat just buy off. there's a lawsuit now from a number of students who are suing these schools, saying they did at the right way. what this comes down to is just fundamental fairness and working for what you it. i'm glad we agree on that as a nonpolitical issue. but the universities have to respond as well. and the athletic departments have been caught red handed, because in a lot of these cases they went through the athletic department because of the lower gpa. why is it the athletic department has lower academic standards than the rest of the university? >> kennedy: because they have so many scholarships to give out because that system is rife with corruption. if 70 steals a diamond bracelet to give it to you and they have no idea it still on, do they get

to keep the bracelet? absolutely not. why should some of the students get to keep their spots and universities? >> harris: that's interesting points. >> dagen: the two girls, of lori loughlin and mossimo giannulli, they are leaving. >> kennedy: they dropped out of at. >> dagen: according to tmz. >> robert: i read that there are thousands of families he's helped since 2006. we only knew 50. >> dagen: i think joe montana and phil mickelson said they had both worked with singer, but that it was legitimate. >> harris: no charges with regard to them. >> dagen: i want to pinpoint something. the biggest con in this country is college. but you somehow need to pay basically -- you are not judged on your intelligence and creativity, you have to come up with this resume when you're 16 years old in order to get into a school that is then going to

charge you, your family, borrowed money. a quarter of a million dollars to train you to do nothing. the two absolutely do nothing. i hope more companies in this country -- i'll be champion community college and trade schools. i hope more companies in this country start actually just recruiting people right out of high school, because they can figure out a different methodology. a better methodology, the judge who will be a success. >> kennedy: by the way, california has a fantastic new college system. i am a product of that system. santa monica college! go corsair! i'm very proud to have gone through that. the professors are incredible. that's how i got into ucla. >> harris: like mine. >> dagen: i want to wake forest. it was indicated in this, the only reason -- and i'm not -- the reason i'm not even more angry is that it was relatively cheap back then. but i didn't get a job as a journalist because of that education, because they helped

me. i got deep in water in the shower wearing -- >> harris: will have to talk about the rest of that during the commercial pretrust me, i'm sitting on this one. [laughter] day one of the campaign trail, and newly minted candidate but it work is clapping back after the president mocked him for his animated hand gestures. whether beto it all the initial intention as a flash in the pan, or can he go toe-to-toe with the more seasoned campaigners? we will debate it. ♪ i would like to take a moment to address my fellow veterans,

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>> harris: where you find the time? there are so many. anyway, go on. [laughter] >> katie: there will be more! >> robert: i'm down to only a few. it was a great conversation paid i have not spoken to him before, so we had email exchanges. he was telling me why he wanted to run and why he -- >> harris: why does he want to run? there was no peace in slate.com yesterday about why he exists. there is a photo shoot. why is he running? >> robert: i think you learned a lot over the last two years in texas, what he stands for and what he believes the party should stand for. and the country. >> katie: what is that? >> robert: i think -- [laughs] thank you, this is a layup. pro-immigration, health care is a bright, gun reform, racial equality. >> kennedy: isn't that everybody? >> katie: is a very drawn way

of saying what he physically stands for. >> robert: you're not into the policy it. it's not a deep dive. be when i think we are well into the policy! >> robert: that's not true, we are over 600 days away. we are still waiting for president trump to get policy. >> harris: but we know what he wants. >> robert: we do, it's building a wall and records go is paying for it. >> harris: you met with him on the day before he announced. i think you might have a better idea than most. >> robert: i was going to add to that. for me, what i liked about him is he has been very thoughtful about struggling to run or not. running for president -- >> kennedy: yeah, because he said he wasn't going to run emphatically but he changed his mind. so what else will he change his mind on? >> robert: listen, you have to ask him when he comes on the show, which he should come on. it would be a great show for him to be on. >> harris: see customer you it would be a great time. so what is eight but it eight beto o'rourke/trump runoff look

like? the field is very large. the >> robert: nobody's over 15%. i think that beto is probably going to be in the top -- >> harris: but biden and sanders have 52% among the two of them. >> robert: but right now, because a lot of people don't no amy klobuchar and beto just came in, there was a poll taken over ten days ago. >> harris: a beto, by the way, has come down here before he announced he had -- >> katie: i'm going to get digging in here because we've got to go. >> dagen: we know we can raise money. a record amount raised, is he thinking in the back of his head biden/beto customer gets he thinking that? >> robert: >> robert: i think ie opposite. if he gets to make believe right now that he's there to win. if you are there to income you can't think about being vice president. >> katie: more "outnumbered" in just a moment but allstate actually helps you drive safely...

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>> kennedy: think so much to the delightful robert wolf. i hope you have the time of your life on the couch today. >> robert: it was great. >> kennedy: you are a smart man. >> robert: 's price good. >> dagen: she said, be nice. i wasn't his biggest problem. >> robert: i thought was going to be easier. >> harris: we begin with the fox news alert. a gunman has gone a deadly rampage in new zealand killing at least 49 people, wounding dozens more inside two mosques. i'm harris faulkner. continuing coverage now on "outnumbered overtime." police have taken three people into custody, and charged one man with murder as we learn more disturbing details about the terror attack. the shooter broadcast a live horrific stream at the open fire on worshipers during their friday morning prayers. when when one witness described his efforts to get away from the gunmen. >> through the back doors, just to save themselves