don't forget the podcast. mark levine is up next. see you next when the next revolution will be televised hello america, this is life, liberty and levin. how are you. >> okay. good seeing you. >> i consider you one of the wise men out there. a conservative movement of the reagan era, this is where we first met. you were ahead of the national dam of humanity, secretary of education. you made a a difference in these spots. you were the first drugs are, we have a lot to talk about.

long ago, you were a democrat when the democrat was a moderate. now we see this radical left and they seem to be the leaders of the party. i remember when the socialist, a crazy from manhattan, how they were pushed to the side and yet the media promotes them. what you think is going on. i grew up in new york with an irish catholic family. we didn't know any republicans. there goes the republicans. i joined the reagan administration. ronald reagan had been --dash my wife and i had switched. the specific thing was voting down. [inaudible] i remember that.

one of the things about the democrat party i like growing up. the defensive america and human rights. i thought that was a huge failure. i don't know what they're doing now the midterm showed us that, i was reading in the background for a lot of these people who got elected as democrats and ex- marine, helicopter pilot. there's a lot of moderates but it looks like all the energy is on the left and they are afraid of the energy and the embarrassment. they don't want to be called anything. when i say they i mean leadership, pelosi and the like. we been here before, remember 1972, george mcgovern was

checking and 520 - 17 electoral votes. this party has done this before. it's yielded to this temptation before. the fact that the democrats are doing not bothers me but doesn't worry me? not as deeply as the fact that there seems to be appeal to what they are saying particularly about young people, millennial's in the dj. >> high school, middle school, they were moving left pretty hard left and they. much control the school systems, even more than this will board i felt. has that gotten worse? has the doctor nation gotten worse? >> it has gotten worse, they are as powerful as they have ever been. i remember during the reagan administration, you are

looking at from the justice department standpoint and i was looking from the administration. here as i see and other places, republicans were moderates and become a faint imitation of the left wing. they yield on a lot of things. bathrooms, one of the most ridiculous things that have ever happened in the state of north carolina that you can go to the bathroom of your choice, based on the choice of your gender. it should've been laughed out of town but wasn't. this was pushed obviously by the left by lgbtq community, but it was assented to by the establishment. i think that co-optation of the education establishment has figured very prominently and i think the most important thing is we are not teaching these kids.

elementary, middle, high school, about america and what is america. we talk a lot about the colleges, but it's the jesuits, i went to the jesuit high schoo school. what happens in those earlier years is much more important. if you look at the latest survey on free healthcare, free college for everybody, global warming number one priority, you will see majorities of millennial's and bigger majorities, generation z which is following the millennial's, and that is worrisome, very worrisome. a cautionary tale and something we need to address and will get into this, we don't just address it by

saying socialist, socialist, we have to say what's wrong with that view. >> what is wrong with that and how do we, we are the real outsiders, how do we get into the educational establishment. we need to break it up, formally break it up? do we need to apply antitrust laws to what's going on? do we need alternatives, home schools, charter schools, how do we address this behemoth. >> i've been working, i hate to say for how many years, it's generous to me, it's entirely my fault. i was lecturing on choice and accountability and charter schools, socialism is what socialism does. people don't know the history. if you go into a college freshman and talk to kids.

it's not their fault but it is the education system fault. i don't know about the antitrust deal. i would yield to you on that but i do know working inside the school system, school choice, more criticism of what's going on, but right now the debate, coming back to your question as i'm thinking about your question, it may be is worse because a lot of the left now and the nea listens to the national education association is now suggesting that school first and foremost is not about reading and writing and math history. it's about social equity and social justice. we can't teach these other things until we have social justice. that's of course something in their mind which is yet ever to be achieved by human society. it is a question now as to whether the schools are about

their business in any meaningful sense, and by the way if you look at the tests, we don't do very wellin math and reading. we haven't for 20 or 30 years but our worst subject is american history. you cannot love a country and how do you ask someone to defend a country if they don't know. they don't know the story, or if they do know the story they know the story according to widely used left wing textbook. >> your first really big book is about morality. >> right. >> it was a superduper big book. >> it sold most as much as the live-in book. >> it was huge. do you think that book would sell as many copies today. >> i don't know. i talked to my publisher and they said we'd like to get the book of virtues out again, the h

anniversary edition. however we think you need to have a co-author of a different point of view. you have to fill in the rest? and we need to have stories about moral addict immense and we need to talk about you can imagine, what the agenda is. they want to turn the book of virtues into a 21st century manual that's politically correct. i said no. the box on the table but we can't do it. it's crazy. this is what happens with the world. i would love to update the book of virtues with stories that people have sent me that fit with the overall theme and it's not about a particular time. cs lewis says you can no more invent a new moral code then you can in color. it is what it is. but, i give you a world in which we live. i don't know.

>> and that's problematic because that's only 25 years ago. you can see big changes in the last ten years. what accounts for this? has progressive left devoured the culture so thoroughly that when you look at entertainment, hollywood tv, the media, politicians, the classroom, there's almost no room, no room for people who say timeout, can we talk about liberty and individualism and natural law? and we talk about some of these things in these great society? >> the answer is yes. i was corresponding yesterday with my friend dennis, you know dennis, dennis has a list, 40 things that the left has destroyed and you just go down the list. if they haven't destroyed it, they have tried to. more importantly they have tended to take it over.

the schools, many of the churches, the media, politics, they go right down the list of character forming institutions and the left is there. our guys, our team ever since the founders, our guys, they want to go to philadelphia, draft constitution and get back to their farms and get back to their work. they would love to be in washington, the left loves to be in washington, they love to be in control and empower. this of course is what now became so real and apparent with the candidacy of donald trump. when he said this to us in everybody or a lot of people realize what he was saying was true the government was in the grip of an elite which needed to be challenged, and it did.

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simple. easy. awesome. you mentioned donald trump, how is he doing, what do you think. >> i like him a lot. i supported him, not originally, i wasn't sure. i was listening to the people who were saying there's not a chance. you remember that. >> i do. >> not a chance, but when he did the announcement caught my eye, a couple sentences in that announcement speech about america have lost some of its greatness and we needed to make america great again. that became a rallying cry for a lot of people and that's regarded as the left as a punishable offense on some campuses. my son were ahead of me, my son who went to princeton, he

certainly didn't get it there. then he was in business in new york and he said this is the guy. my other son went princeton and he came around after that he joined the marine corps and they said this is the guy. i think he's doing a great job. i have a great perspective i've been living in the swamp from 1981 so i have good perspective i've never seen someone have to take as much as he's taking, constant barrage, but he takes it, gets up in the morning, goes back to work, get back in the fight. there's a great thing they say about the irish, family told me this was my style. they figure like the irishman who walks down the street, sees a fight going on and says is this a private right and if not you get in.

and yet trump looks for fights, he starts them but he usually has good reason, good cause but he's resilient, he's tough and i admire him very much for what he's doing. i know he means it when he talks about american greatness and how he wants to make this country great again and i think he's done great things. >> i agree with you and is a movement conservative, i was skeptical. it was my late father, do you know what he said to me? get off his back, listen to what he saying, this man can do what he's gonna do. we need somebody like that. >> your father, my son, a completely different generation. the media hates him in such a way that i'm never seen before. even nixon. i've never seen it before. is it because they were so invested in a third obama term because they viewed him and the people who support him as a joke?

is it because he defies them, he not only rejects them, he humiliates them, is all those things or something else? >> it's all those things, and i just have one word, he does not genuflect to them. they may make him mad emma but in the end he doesn't care what they say in terms of his direction. he's not going to change direction. i was talking to a group of quote, intellectuals about the selection and they said they just couldn't support trump. these were conservative intellectuals. it occurred to me that one of the reasons they were saying that was because donald trump has never read any of their journal articles and he doesn't care. he doesn't care about that. i thought, he's done so many things, they were talking

about the 8000 lies, somebody needs to make a list of the 8000 great things he's done, big and little. i thought one of the biggest little things he's done is when he said i'm not going to the white house correspondents dinner. i'm not going. we went to a couple and we walked out on a couple because it was so gross. white house correspondents, black tie we would go and we would watch the president of the united states be humiliated by a series of press speakers and then the big press award given to someone who had tried to take the president's guts out and had to shake their hand. >> they let the roman service right there and conformity of thought, the media are more out of the closet now ideologically than ever before, am i right? >> he has exposed them. he said look and listen and watch and you would think they would be more careful about fake news once they made this charge, but they haven't. i watched your interview with lynwood, one of the

unbelievable things that was. they go after trump and tucker carlson and they been after me at lower cadence. they hold him up, ridiculed and worse the world and don't check their fact two what you think is driving the media. i just think they've thrown in with this hard round, i think the reporters are particularly bright, they reject history too, they don't look at huntley, brinkley, any of the people who built what it is they're standing on, and they go their own way like your typical progressive. history doesn't matter, context doesn't matter two i think if you go to a journalism school there will be. [inaudible] exposed the president and take down a president. it's kind of unfair to woodward. i think woodward has his

moments. i think they go into this business to get somebody, gotcha. it's the gotcha journalism. i believe they think they are doing justice. >> not obama, he gets a pass. >> right. >> that's because of the ideology. i wrote up paper ones for cnn because i was working there and i wrote a paper on confirmation bias. look for evidence of what it is you believe in you turn the evidence in your direction. i don't know that i've ever registered, but they there are committed ideologues and they don't know it. i think i can defend it based on history, based on human experience, based on historical record, we asked my favorite author why was he a catholic and because original

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surfing d and surfing. dick dale was 81. >> you're particularly upset about the case and the way the media trashed this case. >> fam. i guess a psychiatrist might say i'm identifying, catholic schools of my background. watching your discussion last week on the show, you guys talking about the legal aspects, the challenges, even though it's a strong argument, it seems to be it's a tough case legally. >> there's a good chunk he can go after.

as a nonlawyer i went to law school but i had never practiced. my argument would be for god sakes, do something. something needs to be done. this kid is destroyed around the world and that's on the internet forever. it's the technology, the media, how quickly things move , you cannot destroy someone with falsehoods so quickly, so effectively and let it go by. that's why it's important that he wins. it's important that we send a signal. you just can't do this. i'm outraged by it. it's an outrage today to her things today. because there were so cool in their treatment of this young man, you know the old saying,

the lie goes all the way around the world. falsely attributed mark twain. it's also by swift. but that's a footnote. >> let me ask you this. not to pick on, while yeah, i'll pick on cnn. they seem obsessed with trying to destroy fox. they seem obsessed with trying to destroy hannity, carlson, ingram, they seem obsessed trying to change the news operation against each other. by the way, as a side point, i can't tell a difference at cnn. i don't know who does the news and who does the opinion. you do know, pretty much at fox, i'm not saying because i'm here, i don't have to be here emma but this is what i observed, have you ever seen one network tried to destroy another network? is it because they are so low on the ratings, there behind

msnbc and they figure that's how they claw their way out? >> remember the biblical description at the lorraine motel, martin luther king was killed, behold the dreamer, let's lay him and see what becomes of his dreams. these are dreams and i don't mean to over dramatize this, but they cannot stand the truth. they cannot stand the light and the contrast that fox creates. fox's saying something entirely different from what they are saying and it's an embarrassment to them. fox also defendants self. it's interesting the way you put it there because you talk about tucker carlson and shawn, you talk about laura ingraham, part of the teams we try to go through a lot of people. >> i said you're one of the wise men. >> i'm very proud of people who work for me but laura and shawn and tucker, these people can defend themselves and have a great forum to defend

themselves. sandman, what what's that kid can do. i guess that's back to earlier question. something has to be done because things are out of control. i wake up some mornings and think we've lost the guardrails. the things that keep us together as a society and an old friend of mine gary bauer, he and i had lunch and he said i'm a big supporter of donald trump, but you remember before the election of donald trump we would say the great essay by our friend michael anton, okay, we may go down the tubes with the election as gary said what happens after trump,

let's hope that's put off another four years of for 2020 most of all they believed the final protection of the people that they would have the sense and the moral sense. i think they are doing the best they can to take it out on people and suggest if they feel that way is wrong that there bigots or racists or whatever. the schools knew this. i read a survey the other day that i thought was fascinating. a survey of kids before they went to high school, kids whose parents were born in another country and 85% identified as americans.

when they were done with high school and after two years of college, 60 or 70% identified them as hyphenated americans. it's backward. >> and we pour hundreds of billions of dollars into these institutions which we do not control. we'll be right back.

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one really seriously, back to me when they needed me to it and the country took it seriously. it was the number one issue we focused on and one of the most widely circulating myths or lies was that we lost that war. we didn't. drug use went down by more than 50%. we pushed back and when we pushed back it went down hermetically. this was opposed by government , i was happy to be there, this was a push in columbia, thanks to delta force on some other force. the media was good and cooperative, your old enough to remember the ads, jumping off the diving board to see your brain on drugs and fried eggs and the country took it seriously. what we are in now is worse by the numbers. the number of people died from

cocaine, crack, maybe 10000. last year we lost 70000 people to illegal drugs. another myth, people think most of this is because doctors are ove overprescribing. it's not true. there is some over prescribing there are some film mills but three quarters of the deaths are from sentinel, streets stuff and the people who die of overdoses from oxycontin and people who get them illegally by stealing them or illegally prescribed. it's the prescribing problem we have to tackle head-on. it is now very much as we said to folks in the administration, a lot of this is trump country. the people who supported donald trump, rural america, rural ohio, it's not just there, but it's a more serious problem than what we had in

the late '80s we took that very seriously front and center. what doesn't help is this effort to get marijuana everywhere. it just is crazy. cs lewis says when the vote is sinking from water, don't grab the fire hoses and we are, not everyone who smokes marijuana goes on other things but very few people didn't star -- did start with marijuana. look at colorado. look at the driving deaths and the score is, the academic scores in a few years, the quality quality of life in denver and this is what we are pushing. the former speaker of the house. >> does that surprise you, when he left congress and joined that organization. >> it did surprise me in the sense that i thought i lost

the capacity to be surprised, but there's a lot of money in this. by the way, the marijuana that people are smoking today in colorado is not the marijuana of the late 60s. today, the average in colorado was maybe 20 or 25%. it's the difference between a light beer and a slug of moonshine. >> so it's much more potent. >> yes, much more powerful. they wrote a column about going to colorado and chewing a marijuana candy bar and wrote in her column i thought i died after a couple bites. she then apologized with his subsequent column because they got on her but the stuff is potent and dangerous. one thing we know for sure from the science, my former secretary of education, for young people, it harms and can destroy focused attention and

memory. are they important in school and growing up, are they important on the job. >> let me ask you this. it's becoming popular even among republican politicians. >> it's popular public opinion polls. people favorite. can i tell you why. >> the medical marijuana thing was very smart. you have the pictures of these children who are having bouts of epilepsy and it helps them calm down. true in a few cases, true in some cases, you can do that without administering a cigarette, a marijuana cigarette. as the doctor said to me, just step back and think about it. does anybody really believe that if you get a bunch of dry leaves and light them on fire and inhale them that that's good for you? does anybody seriously believe that? the medical marijuana trojan horse brought out everybody's sympathy and format we've gone to this general recreational

marijuana. the final argument, do you want to live in a country where half the people are buzzed all the time if you sit with people who are stoned, you can't really have a conversation because her laughing all the time. >> luckily i don't live in that world, at least not yet almost every weeknight you can watch live in tv. go to blaze tv.com/mark to sign up or give us a call at 844 within tv. we would love to have you. we would love to have you. i so how are you enjoying your it's just lovely.ament? i'm here to let all these folks know how easy it is to save money on their car insurance with geico- oi oi oi set the pick! kick it outside!! shoot the three! shoot the three!! yessssssss!!!!!! are you...ok? no, no i'm not. i think i pulled a hammy.

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immigrations our big issue and i think rightly so. what is this open border, we shouldn't have walls, we shouldn't have fences, it's a bizarre obsession with the left, and they didn't used to have that position. as a because demographics have changed so much in their constituent groups have paid so much that, come on in, eventually will get you registered and overwhelm these red states. >> it's partly that, it's partly recruiting, you can get more people to vote democrat.

the more people who calm and sign up for the democrat party, i think it's also anti- trump. if he's for it, that's reason enough to be against it. it being any policy. obama did some of the same things, i don't know if you saw but i think it was congressman omar again criticizing obama saying he separated children and did all these things. well he didn't do it as directly, i don't mean separate children but he didn't push his arguments, present his arguments as forcefully as donald trump did but did many of the same things. the question i have for the democrats is what is your polic policy? what is your policy? is there any limit to the number of people who can come in? i don't see an argument. i think this is a huge winning issue for the president. whatever the courts say, whatever the congress does or

does not do, people understand of the country and for it to remain the country you have have borders. you have have borders and defining limits to have something you call a nation. >> and some of these cities and states are even allowing illegal aliens to vote in local state elections. >> right. >> why not send out absentee ballots all over the world and have people vote. you could have seven people vote for the mayor of san francisco or 7 billion people vote for governor. your point is, where do they want to go? it's insanity. it's illogical how far they're willing to go. >> why would you treasure nation if you have never been taught what it's about. i keep coming back to the schools, i guess. plato said most important questions in society, who teaches the children and what do they teach them. i think that's right. in the world, the american achievement in history is unique and high.

there has never been a nation like it. if you are some godforsaken miserable place with dictators boot on your neck and you see soldiers coming over a hill with a flag, you pray the american flag and american soldiers, why? because they're not there to hurt you. they're not there to take your wealth or to take your wives, they are there to help you. that's what america has been and that's what makes america unique. when is the last time most 16 or 17-year-old heard that? i toured the schools and went to a hundred 20 schools. i asked kids what about america. very few of them could make the case that there was something special about it. i don't mind talking about the sins of the problems and all that, but patrick meehan and jim moynahan said am i

embarrassed to speak for a less than perfect democracy, absolutely not. finding a better one. in the long run of human history which is mostly misery and suffering, the american achievement is unique. >> i'm always amazed at how the left can trash our country, talk about systemic racism and people south of the border try to get into this country by the millions. why would they try to come to a country that is systemically racist. >> that's exactly right. when i was in the schools, there is a high school in san diego, a young woman said why do you love this country. i said a lot of reasons but the short test, i call it the gates test. every country has gates. when you raise the gates, which we people run. do they run in or out. we raise our gates and people run in. we don't raise our gates and people run in. what is it about this place that makes people go those thousands of miles to try to jump through the berlin wall - in a crossfit gym, we're really engaged

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in two. mark: nancy pelosi wants to put the guard down because i'm not interested in impeachment but who the tenants are and they take orders from her. they're doing everything to set up that scenario and it will backfire badly on them. how do you see that? >> i don't know. i would not want to accuse her of that but she did give yourself and out unless there's evidence that is so overwhelming of impeachment but does it matter when they go from impeachment or not? it might be a political risk. bill clinton got out all of that but there is that problem and increased his popularity. americans don't like to see their president impeached especially for his popular. and yet he gets more popular for many people surprise. i think their game is despise,

vilify, accuse, go after this and that and with the 81 witnesses the chairman adler will call so just to take them down and take his reputation down and pound, pound, pound and play for 2020. everything is about 2020. conventions in milwaukee, wisconsin, at least they will visit wisconsin for the convention. whether they impeach are not the game is get to. mark: where do you see this country going in next five, ten years? >> i don't know. john adams somewhere right that to madison, i think, that he hopes this experiment will last 150 years. we've done much better than that but to do it yourself project and depends upon the people. when i am around here listening to debates and watching tv i get discouraged but want to leave and go out into the country and

talk to people, i feel better. when i'm with my family, i feel better. our boys, elaine and i have two sons, who both went to princeton and kate called me up and say another guy attacked you today in class and that the standard date. but they got through it and strong patriotic and i have great confidence. one of my sons joined the marine corps and we got to know those kids and their a big part of this picture. i'm encouraged every time i talk to the average everyday american. it's important to get out of the beltway. but my family gives me strength and confidence about the future. mark: it is this part of the problem though? the people. they think one way but the concentration of government and the bubble of washington and the la area drive the agenda and talk the left more votes, more votes and yet rule more and more

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