all options are open. just so you understand all options are open. go ahead. all options are open, yeah. [inaudible question] >> president trump: i won't tell them anything. they'll make their own decision. >> you said russia needs to get out. have you in any way communicated that through nati? >> president trump: they know. they know very well. go ahead, next question. >> reporter: are they opposed to you and your views on health care? >> president trump: we are not talking about health care right now, but it will. the republican party is -- and you will see this very soon. because obamacare is a disaster. it's too expensive by far. people can't afford it, and the deductible is horrible. so the premiums cost too much, the deductible is horrible.

the only difference between now and the other administration is that we are administering obamacare very well. so we have made it better, but it is still horrible, no good. it's something that we can't live with in this country. because it is far too expensive for the people. not only for the country, but i'm not even thinking about for. it's too expensive, the premiums are too expensive. people are going broke trying to pay for it. and the deductibles are averaging over $7,000. so you have to spend $7,000 before you get anything. but as a circumstance. so the deductibles are way too high. obamacare is a disaster. we are going to be -- and i said it yesterday, and i mean it 100%. i understand health care now, especially, very well. a lot of people don't understand it. we are going to be, the republicans, the party of great

health care. the democrats, they have let you down. they came up with obamacare, it's terrible. i got rid of the individual mandate. that was the worst part of obamacare, because people were forced to pay a lot of money to get health care that didn't wan want. okay? now they don't have to pay that money. people are all over this country thinking me. every time i go out, they think need. they don't have to pay a vast amount of money to have bad health care. so we got rid of the end of the dual mandate. there was a big thing. we will -- you watch -- we will be the party of great health care. the democrats have let you down. they have really let you down. obamacare doesn't work, it's too expensive, and -- you take a look at anything with the deductibles, it's a disaster. it's a disaster for our people. we are not going to allow it to go, so we are coming up with plans. we have a lawsuit right now going where phase one of the

lawsuit terminates obamacare, essentially terminates obamacare. you know that, that's the texas lawsuit. we think it will be upheld and that it will do very well in the supreme court. if the supreme court rules that obamacare is out, we will have a plan that is far better than obamacare. thank you all very much, i appreciate it. thank you. thank you. [reporters shouting questions] no time left. >> thank you, everybody. >> president trump: i greatly appreciate that she is here and she has been a tremendous representative for her country. and she's meeting tomorrow with the first lady of the united states in florida. they are meeting tomorrow. >> reporter: 's of the united states is committed -- >> president trump: i will tell you, if you look at what we

are doing you will see a commitment that few people have made. frankly, this didn't have to happen in venezuela. past administrations right here should have been more forward-thinking. this should never have happened in venezuela. this is a tragedy. we are finding all over the word for countries, 5,000, 6,000, 7,000 miles away. they never did anything with respect to venezuela. past administrations allowed this to happen. i have inherited a mess. between north korea and all of the problems we have all over the world, the entire middle east, and venezuela, these are things -- they never should have happened. they never should have allowed to get to this point. but i will fix it. we are fixing it all over the world. that's what we are going to do. just like in a different sense, we are going to fix health care. we are going to fix a lot of problems that nobody else was

able to do, and we just left, as you know, the prime minister of israel to have a lot of hype times over there right now. but the golan heights, which every president promised they do, they never did. i did that. not only with respect to jerusalem and the embassy, but also now the golan heights. they desperately needed it. it was good timing. they desperately need it. they need the heights. thank you very much, everybody. [reporters shouting questions] >> melissa: that was president trump in the white house there. he was sitting next to fabiano rosales, who is the wife of the opposition leader in venezuela, juan guaido. they were talking about the situation in venezuela which grows dire almost every day. he commented about russia when asked the question that they need to get out. and they talked about the humanitarian crisis going on there. but it quickly moved -- reporters moved it to

health care. the president said he wasn't there to talk about health care but then he went on to answer the question and talk about health care saying, among other things, the premium is too high. the deductibility horrible. "it's far too expensive for the people. not only for the country. obamacare is a disaster." he said, "if the supreme court rules that obamacare is out, we will have a plan that is far better than obamacare." and saying that, "the republic and will be the party of health care." i want to bring it out of the couch to react to this. john james is here. you talk to voters in your stat state. it strikes me that health care is broken and has been broken for a while. there's a lot of blame to go around. voters blame the person who is in office. republican, democrat, anyone who has been there and has been working and not fixed it. and that the challenge question rex somebody has got to fix it or you get blamed. >> john: of course, both parties are to blame for the

broken health care system in this country. we had a president who, before, said that if you like your doctor you could keep it. if you like to health care plan you could keep it. that ended up being a lie. we had a republican party, conversely, who said we need to repeal and replace. and they don't have a god done dog on plan. i think the president has a golden opportunity saying they should be the part of health care. right now the president take this opportunity, where they are also focused on health care, also focusing on this. the president has spent the past two years trying to get his wall. he can spend the next two years trying to build a bridge on something so critical and so important to all americans, particularly those -- >> melissa: but how do you fix it? that's the problem. >> john: you start with where you agree. the high pharmaceutical prices. the high premiums. from 2013 -- >> harris: that should be an area that people a, according to lawmakers and talk on both sides of the aisle. but here's a question i have for you. when republicans got together to do tax cuts, they were to be meetings on the weekends.

i've had several lawmakers say they were having camp david moments. i just use that as the adjective, i don't know if they were actually there. the point is they were sequestering themselves and getting tax cuts done. why don't they do that on health care? that's what it will take. you say two years. no, it's one more like seven. >> john: that's the thing. and every other driver on the country don't get seven years, two years come to do your job. you need the end of the day come the end of the week. >> harris: november, voters says the democrats, "we are voting for the u " based on the promise to fix what is broken and health care. the minute the president got the report of mueller, through the attorney general william barr, look how fast he pivoted to this very critical issue that he knows was a sore spot for republicans in november. >> melissa: marie, before we respond, let your mind of yours with the president said and i will he be first on the other side. let's listen. >> president trump: obamacare is a disaster. it's too expensive, by far. people can't afford it.

and the deductible is horrible. the premiums cost too much, the deductible is horrible. the only difference between now and the other administration is that we are administering obamacare very well. we have made it better, but it is still horrible, no good, something that we can't live within this country. >> melissa: we all know it's horrible. how do you fix it? >> marie: i think it certainly needs fix as per the problem is that the department of justice now is saying they will not defend in court, asking for the courts to invalidate it. that means they are on the hook, without question, for a replacement. and we saw the republicans in congress working with this illustration for two years, unable to come up with something that could pass even the republican-led congress. >> melissa: so what do we need to do to fix it? >> marie: i think there are a number of fixes. prescription drug pricing, competition, i think there are a lot of things congress could do to fix it. >> melissa: how do you fix

prescription drug pricing? >> marie: i'm not an expert on health care but i think there are ways working with the drug companies particularly, with the private sector, with the government focus on my folks who focus on this to figure out a way to get drug prices down. we shouldn't be paying this much for certain key drugs in this country. the problem is, if the government now invalidates obamacare through the courts, if they can't come up with something -- which they haven't been able to do for almost ten years now, since obamacare past -- people will be left with nothing. and that is a bigger problem than right now. >> katie: in my not become actually. right now, as the president said, your premium is $7,000 on average. you are deductible. you're premiums are very expensive. you have to spend seven grand before your insurance even kicks in. it's almost like paying out-of-pocket. people will be left with paying out of pocket like they are in a lot of cases now. to your point about the department of justice not defending this in court, that is exactly the point. president trump, and every other situation, has put congress on

notice by saying, "this is your job, we will not defend this anymore, you have an applicant to do this." when it comes to the poetical fight on this, president trump has never been afraid of a fight. democrats are proposing things like ripping 100 million people off of private insurance. kamala harris said that, bernie sanders said that. introducing a socialist system. president trump is saying, "look, we have problems. we would like to lower the cost by more competition and through the private sector rather than having the government come in with a worse system than we are seeing under obamacare." >> melissa: that's the fundamental problem, though. depending how you look at it, the situation is totally opposite. take just the prescription drug care piece. the problem with prescription drugs is that the government, through medicare, pays a hyperinflated price for drugs that can be bought generically. and it's a subsidy to health care -- i mean, to insurance companies. pharmaceutical companies, pardon me. it shouldn't happen. you've got to get the government out of it to have the real market work and come back

together. but democrats -- >> marie: pharmaceutical companies are not blameless. >> melissa: absolutely not pay they are being subsidized by the government. we've got to get the market back in to get the government out of it. democrats want to put it more into it. how do you get those sides to come together to a solution? do you try one of the other? question marks b6 increasing transparency is a great start. having more generics to increase competition is a great start. when you have the market for us take your paying consisting prg conditions, increasing transferred segment is a great way to get started. we need to fix the parts that are broken and keep the parts that work. >> melissa: like what customer what's working? >> marie: preexisting conditions. >> katie: but is it working under obamacare or should be in a blended and appease different piece of legislation? a >> marie: show me that piece of legislation. doesn't exist. >> harris: do you wipe it away away from new legislation to come? >> melissa: i'm afraid we didn't solve it, much like all the politicians around us. >> harris: you can close!

>> john: i'm just saying congress needs to stop hiding behind the executive and judiciary and do their job. >> melissa: what about some white house advisors and even g.o.p. lawmakers on capitol hill? what they are saying when it comes to releasing the full mueller report. will it happen? and what could be the political fallout? also, former vice president a potential 2020 candidate joe biden now lamenting his role in the handling of anita hill's sexual harassment claim against clarence thomas decades ago. will it become an issue if biden jumps into the race? ♪ this is not a bed...

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president told him he is fine with the doj handing over the special counsel's findings, even without the white house having a chance to examine it first. watch. >> i talked to him just a few minutes ago. the president. he said, "let it out. there are some things in there i think will be interesting in terms of conversations, but the bottom line is that mueller has looked at this for two and a half years. he has concluded that no one on the trump campaign colluded with the russians, and that the facts regarding obstruction were insufficient for him to make a decision. therefore, there is no way you could prosecute a case if the prosecutor is unsure. >> harris: senator graham also warned democrats that if they don't accept mueller's conclusions, they are going to help the president get reelected on this issue alone. meanwhile, democratic horseman eric swalwell is not backing down from his russia collusion allegations. >> just because he has not been

criminally indicted for collusion doesn't mean he has conducted colluding types of behavior with the russians. i agree with bob mueller, accept his report that the president did not commit criminal collusion. but if the best day of his presidency is that he has not been indicted for criminal collusion, we stopped problems. let's see the full report as soon as possible. >> we can absolutely agree on that. >> harris: wow. house intelligence intelligence committee chairman adam schiff double down on telling "the washington post" that, "undoubtedly, there was collusion." meanwhile, the president's attorney rudy giuliani through some shade at robert mueller says he disagrees with the president of the special counsel acted honorably. >> now that he acted honorably. i would have to disagree with my client. let's make affect treatment of paul manafort was way over the top. i think that shouldn't be allowed. >> harris: is lindsey graham right? that if you focus on the singular issue, democrats will lose? >> john: i think the biggest focus the american people will

have coming forward and 2020 is who is most effective in making my life better, moving forward. >> melissa: that's true. >> john: that's what will be the issue paid the faster we can move off of this issue and on to improving the lives of everyday americans, the better paid the most disturbing part about this as we are spending so much time -- people are spending so much time talking about what happened in 2016 that we are not addressing the real enemy here, which is russia interfering with our election. we need to focus more on that, rather than attacking the president. we need to get on the same page, move forward. i will tell you what, the president is acting like somebody who has nothing to hide. the president is saying, "you know what? i don't care if i see it or not. they can release it. go through and reject properly to make sure ongoing investigations are not threatened, national security is not threatened, and that the grand jury testimony is not threatened. work with robert mueller and general barr to do it the right way and get out there. >> melissa: you're not worried about the potential that the less a ministry can the highest

power in the land to listen in on the imposing camp during the heat of an election? i'm not saying that's necessarily what happened. do we need to know the answer to that? if there was no evidence of collusion, we want to know why the fbi was -- and the doj, why they were listening in on this campaign. don't you think i do something we need to get to the bottom of? >> john: that is exceedingly problematic. if it was not included in the investigation, it will come out to be problematic and we will see that, as well. if this is proven to be one-sided, after get the information -- which general bart -- >> melissa: you think the report could tell us of the investigation got started? >> john: whether or not it does, it will provide information. if it doesn't have that in their -- >> melissa: then we need to go get it. >> john: correct. >> harris: before you move on from this exact point, i want to bring back senator graham's words on democrats in the mueller findings. let's watch. >> here's what i would ask my democratic friends to do -- let

this go. there is no grand conspiracy here. mr. barr is a great man. he served this country for decades. he is very honorable. he is just telling you what mueller found after two and half years. i will say this -- if they don't accept this, and they keep wanting an outcome in spite of the evidence, they are going to get president trump reelected on this issue alone. >> harris: it's very interesting, i have majority whip of the house james clyburn on with me yesterday. what he said is, "look, you can put anything you want on the floor in terms of impeachment, the mueller report, whatever you want to do. it doesn't mean people have to vote for it. we are ready to move on for health care, watch our news conference." and then they have health care roll out into 30:00 p.m. some democrats and leaderships are ready to move on. why can't others? >> marie: we haven't seen the mueller report yet. >> harris: he wants to see it but it won't stop them from moving forward. >> marie: i think two things are true. one is that the democrats ran in 2018 on a platform that did not include russia.

included health care and other issues. that's what they will run on a 2020. at the same time, we cannot put a pan on this investigation until we see the actual mueller report. if the shoe were on the other foot, and if this was the democratic investigation being investigated -- >> harris: it had 11 possible grounds for impeachment for president clinton. we know that because -- >> marie: harris, we got to see. we need to see the mueller report. i am sorry -- >> harris: william barr did not say we won't get to see it. >> marie: but this concept that we all need to move on today -- >> harris: but i don't understand it. >> marie: can i finish what i'm saying? thank you. >> harris: you're going to see it. if not weeks, months. >> marie: the skull to move on without having seen it -- that he did not decide it amounted to criminal collusion, i want to see how he dealt with as an american. >> katie: democrats have to be careful what they wish for.

they might be a lot of information in the mueller report that implicates democrat democrats. working with -- i know that they are investigating for tony podesta whose brother was the campaign manager, the chairman of hillary clinton's campaign. so there's a lot of information that wouldn't be necessarily bad for the president. in terms of transparency, democrats want the mueller report not necessarily just for transparency because they want to pull out nuggets that mueller investigated and didn't come to any conclusion on based on evidence and say, "look, he investigated this, it must be true." which is unfair considering there are no more indictments were collusion or obstruction. that's what they want the mueller report released for. i sent from the beginning it should be released in full, with the people accused taken out of it. if there was clearly no indictment. that's the way we work in america. this idea that democrats just want it for transparency, they want it for political purposes just like this investigation from the beginning. >> harris: we will move on. the green deal finally at the center for yesterday for an

ill-feted procedural vote. some senate republicans took the opportunity to poke fun at the resolution. but is this the less we will hear about it? as climate change remains a big talking point for 22 and democrats. and charges dropped against actor jussie smollett paid what is the mood in chicago right now now? outrage, we understand from his billing over the surprise decision. you see the mayor, the police superintendent, they are not happy. >> do i think justice was served? no. where do i think justice is? i think this city is still owed an apology. ♪

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♪ >> melissa: confusion and anger still lingering in the city of chicago today after prosecutors announced the stunning decision to abandon their case against actor jussie smollett. city officials calling it a "blind side decision" by

prosecutors to drop all 16 charges against smollett in lieu of community service and an agreement to forfeit his bail. just one months ago, police accused smollett of faking a hate crime to boost his salary at the tv show, "empire." chicago mayor rahm emanuel lashed out yesterday after the news broke. >> this is, without a doubt, a whitewash of justice and sends a clear message that if you are in a position of influence and power you will get treated one way. other people will be treated another way. mr. smollett is still saying that he is innocent. it is still running down the chicago police department. how dare him? this is an unbelievable not just whitewash of justice, but a person now who has been let off scot-free with no sense of accountability of the moral and ethical wrong of his actions. >> melissa: live in chicago with more. matt? >> melissa, one of the more

explosive to veltman's in this saga is when the cook county attorney kim fox recused yourself during the height of the investigation. it was revealed that kim fox was text messaging with michelle obama's former chief of staff, tina chen. chen persuaded kim fox to convince chicago police superintendent eddie johnson to turn his investigation over to the fbi, because the smollett family was concerned about alleged false leaks. the state attorney here did try to convince the superintendent to abandon his investigation michelle obama, former toughness michelle obama former staffer tina chen text of the state attorney saying, "i want to give you a call on behalf of jussie smollett and family, who i know. their concerns about the investigation." kim fox responded, "spoke to the superintendent earlier, he's going to make the ask. trying to figure out logistics. i will keep you posted."

chen responded, "omg, this would be a huge victory." chicago police tell fox news they have more evidence and they were ready to go to trial, as were the osundairo brothers prepared her testifies low. they were in a statement, "the brothers are fully prepared to testify in any criminal proceeding in the jussie smollett case. following disease decision and in the criminal case against smollett, gloria schmidt no longer represents them in this criminal matter." we caught up with those brothers here in chicago less than a week ago at an amateur boxing event. one of the brothers is an amateur boxer who won his fight that night. we spoke to him, and also one of the brothers indicated to us on camera that he is not allowed to talk about the case. >> how do you feel mentally? >> in shape. >> what will the future look

like the next couple days and weeks? >> you've got a lot of fans in chicago. what do you say to your fans? once again, rahm emanuel called just to smell it a liar. melissa >> melissa: i hate to put you on the spot, i don't know if you know the answer to this, but why would tina chen -- michelle obama's chief of staff -- say, "omg, there would be a huge victory?" in terms of turning the case over to the fbi? why would that be a huge victory for the jussie smollett side? >> apparently, tina chen and the smollett family wanted this case handed over to the fbi. they wanted out of the hands of chicago police. so the state attorney, kim fox, said she reached out to the superintendent and asked for them to basically abandon his case and give it to the fbi. why the family and tina chen

wanted it it out of the hands of chicago police is to be determined, but for the fact that they went to bat for the family and try to get it out of the hands of the chicago police was apparently a victory to tina chen. >> melissa: i will bring it up to the couch. katie, why would it be better in the hands of the fbi? did they just feel like maybe chicago pd was to inflamed? >> katie: able and try and decipher what they were saying in their text messages. i'm not sure why they wanted turned over to the fbi. what i do know is the grand jury returned 16 felony indictments. yesterday the prosecutor said, after dropping these charges, he believed that jussie smollett lied. there is not a vindication, that he believes he's guilty, and that this was not an exoneration. see wb chicago has released the police investigation of this online. his court documents have been completely sealed, so we will be able to find out all the details about what happened. i found it very interesting yesterday when his lawyers got on television into that press conference, and said, "we don't know what really happened. all we know is that we are walking away and we got a deal.

." and they drop the case because he had done community service with jesse jackson's organization. therefore they would not proceed because they would probably get community service anyway. >> melissa: it was enough for kim foxx to recuse yourself after that text exchange. >> marie: there is reporting that the jussie smollett side thought they were not handling the case fairly and there have been a lot of leaks coming out of the police department about the investigation. i think that gives us some insight on why they want to the fbi to step in here. i was quite puzzled yesterday because it seemed like -- i just had no idea what was going on. i think we all wear. i do think there was a scent that maybe he was overcharged initially, but then to go back the other direction to drop all charges -- we have to get more information about what actually happened here. it's not unusual for these cases to be sealed, if the charges were dropped. >> melissa: this is very little to make people feel like the justice system in chicago was working on every side. it just undermines that city's

ability to police itself, to have a community that believes in it. >> john: the american people can smell b.s. a mile away. >> melissa: that's true. >> john: acutely aware of fairness and on parents. for the charges to be dropped, for it to be sealed and for the records to be wiped clean with no explanation, many people -- they not only see this as a whitewash of justice but an abuse of power. we don't have the information. the same people calling for the mueller report to be made fully transparent, open, and honest right now should be the exact same people saying we need to see the documents here. according to law, because everybody has the right to due process in this country, i do believe that jussie smollett should not profit from this. the people chicago deserve more than an apology. they deserve excavation. >> harris: harvey levin of tmc fame, accomplished attorney himself, said he's never seen anything like this even among celebrities getting special treatment. he was on "america's newsroom" earlier today. what was interesting to me about that, even if you put all the

legality aside, there is the special treatment lane in hollywood, so on and so forth. he said, "this lives in a category of its own." we know that tmz probably interview celebrities more than any on the face of the planet. >> melissa: very true. the green new deal failing a test vote on capitol hill. now it is sparking a heated back and forth on climate change policy. how both parties plan to handle this debate. we will debate it next. >> this is, of course, a picture of former president ronald reagan. firing a machine gun while writing on the back of a dinosaur. this image has as much to do with overcoming communism in the 20th century as the green new deal has to do with overcoming climate change in the 21st. ♪ hear those words...

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>> leader mcconnell, even yesterday, how to do something that he's never done. he was asked by a reporter, "do you believe that climate change is real?" "do you believe it's caused by human activity," and hallelujah, he answered yes to both. >> katie: the climate change battle eating it. chuck schumer announcing the formation of a special subcommittee on climate change. john barrasso already blocking that effort, saying it would undermine his panels jurisdiction. in the meantime, the senate yesterday failed to pass the green new deal. the proposal backed by many progressives, and democrats because of what a political stunt. the vote tally 57-0 with 43 democrats voting present in protest. utah senator mike lee took to the floor to mock the plan. watch. >> any future without air travel, how are we supposed to get around the vast expanses of,

say, alaska during the winter? well, i will tell you how. taun tauns, mr. president braidwood about about hawaii? isolated, in the pacific ocean. at that distant, swimming will be out of the question. jet skis are notorious gas guzzlers. no, all residents of hawaii would be left with is this. i draw your attention, mr. president, to the 20-foot impressive sea horse he is writing. under the green new deal, this is probably hawaii's best bet. >> katie: new york harm it does councilman alexandria ocasio-cortez, the house sponsor of the green new deal, firing back on twitter saying, "like many other women and working people, i occasionally suffer from imposter syndrome. those small moments, especially in hard days, when you wonder if the haters are right. but then they do things like this to clear it right up. if this guy can be a senator, you can do anything."

mr. james, he ran for the senate. what you think of his performance on the senate floor? >> john: i believe the green new deal is ridiculous, but the response should not be more ridiculousness. i believe that our legislators have a responsibility to take this seriously. to take climate change seriously. and the conservative movement is about sustainability. it's about stewardship. how do we get outflanked by hollywood liberals on this? the backbone of our party, the backbone of america, reformers in the heartland to understand conservation, who understand passing down something, our land, our sacred land, to the te next generations. >> harris: that's a good point. >> john: when you have septuagenarian's, 80 years old, running our country, you have people playing with money and making decisions about a future they will be part of. we need a new generation of leadership and i think only in washington could you call doing your job a stunt. >> katie: melissa, there's this big question about how much

damage these environment of policies like the green new deal will do to the economy without actually addressing the issue of climate change, and the radicalization of the exaggeration -- alexandria ocasio-cortez said the world would end at 12 years. mcconnell gave her a vote and democrats running for president voted present instead of saying it's a serious issue. >> melissa: i think people in the middle of the country know the green new deal would mean the end of life as they know it. more quickly than the 12 years or whenever the environment would eclipse -- you know, us being here. the end of the carbon-based economy, in the middle of the country people build things come , plant things, dry places where they live when you respond to it with an attempt at humor that i frankly think fell very flat, that just is more silliness on top of silliness. you have to say, is it worth costing the jobs in the lives and the livelihood of everyone in the middle of the country who

live in a carbon-based economy? or can we address this very serious idea that we want to clean up the environment and be good stewards of the plan and our country in a smarter way? >> katie: and there are a lot of free market based environmental conservation groups that don't get the attention that the leftist groups do. but there are two sides to this story despite what the media had to say. marie, what is your take on this? the green new deal has been endorsed by some president or candidates and not by others. >> marie: i'm from the middle of the country, so are you. in the middle of the country there are clean energy organizations that work on solar, wind, that are increasingly as or more profitable than coal-based companies. that's where a lot of the economic patter in these parts of the country are moving. so if we move to the clean energy economy, we will ruin our economy customer gets not borne out by fax on the ground. >> melissa: but they are heavily subsidized. >> marie: that's not true, natural gas is more subsidized than anything from the government. my point is that climate change

is real, it's serious, and if we attack it with jokes on the senate floor like my cleated we are missing the point. a mental what you said, john. >> melissa: last word to marie marie. >> katie: former vice president biden's apologizing again, this time about the anita hill hearing where she accused clarence thomas of sexual harassment in 1991. could he faced trouble running for president in the #metoo era? it's because you showed the courage of a lifetime. to this day, i regret i couldn't come up with a way to get her what she deserved. ♪ maria ramirez?

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the hearing deserved was the hearing where she was respective dell micro circuit, where the tone in question was not hostile. where the fact that she said ford was recognized as an act of courage and of itself. >> marie: hill herself was asked about this, and she has waited for biden to personally apologize to her. it's become a running joke and her family, adding she is more important things to worry about now. we are living in a different era now, and i think politicians and people in public life are reckoning with things that have happened over the decades. how do you evaluate how joe biden has canceled this? >> john: i think when you apologize for your own benefit, you are bordering well on exploitation. and you are not really sorry. i would ask myself, why is he apologizing now? it could be a couple of reasons. because there may be benefit to apologizing now. because anita hill and her family said it's been a running joke, that he hasn't done so personally. i would wonder if he has done so

personally, great. he should. but i think the larger issue here, culturally, for a country as the party of tolerance is not the party of forgiveness. in order to grow, move forward, heal our wounds from the past, we have to repent. you have to ask for forgiveness. and then we have to make sure we learn from it and that it doesn't happen again. i would question the place that our apology comes from. if it has more benefit to the person giving the apology than the person who would be receiving it. i think a more genuine apology would be a personal apology to anita hill, her family, and leave it at that. >> marie: it's hard to judge sincerity on camera. you don't know them, where it's coming from. is this going to hurt joe biden in the primary if he runs? >> melissa: i don't think so. i think it's just -- it's kind of sad to watch people go back and come through their past life and try to decide what is going

to pop up now that the rules have changed. they want to get out in front of it and do something about it before it's brought to their attention. i mean, it's kind of this mob culture were people go back and look for all your twitter and everything you've ever done. see the candidates now, getting ready for 2020 and trying to get ahead of anything we will be asked about, that always strikes me as disingenuous. i don't know, this is the moment we are at. >> marie: katie, what you make of this customer democrats are dealing with this also. bill clinton. >> katie: there have been a lot of democrats on an apology to her since they started their campaigns, whether it's this issue were others. as john said, if joe biden really is sorry for what he thinks was hard questioning of anita hill, he should apologize to her for private and not get the glory of the politics binder. but i don't like this because joe biden is reinforcing the smear that clarence thomas was guilty and he should be on the supreme court. and that's not fair. >> marie: at least in the clip we played, he said she should've been questioned in a nicer way.

he didn't say anything about clarence thomas being guilty. >> katie: but the whole reason she was there was to talk about what she alleged. >> marie: which is her right. >> katie: she has said since that time that he's guilty of sexual harassment and should be sitting on the supreme court. by joe biden questioning the way they conducted that hearing he is reinforcing the smear, that they were too tough on her, that they went after him, and that the whole thing shouldn't have resulted in him sitting on the supreme court for so long. he's bringing it back up and it brings up that smear again and i think it's really unfair. >> marie: i think watching the hearing is difficult to wear no matter where you are on the public land. we have ten seconds. is biden running customer gas or no. do you think? >> john: yes. >> marie: three. more "outnumbered" in just a moment who have served our country honorably. whether it's two years, four years or thirty-two years like myself. one of the benefits we as a country give our veterans is eligibility for a va loan for up to 100% of your home's value.

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