spirited, and not intimidating. reporting to hear, she's trying to get her microphone in there. counterintelligence 43 years ago today. you've got the same picture, the investigation. >> marie: governor, we have been debating for a >> julie: heaves to fix cars. he could have become a mechanic, and said he came up with apple. back of the reverend jesse jackson, who has shown up at the fraternal order at some point, we will see at incredible. you know how to fix cars? least a redacted version. of police rally. they are in support of finding >> bill: henry ford had out how the heck this case got do you think we will actually already gotten there. see it? what do you think that will show dropped. >> melissa: could they join hands here and defuse this? customer glue going to incidents >> julie: "outnumbered" starts now. [laughs] >> harris: we begin with a like the trump tower meeting fox news alert, doing rallies in chicago at this hour, for and question of what you think we that would be wonderful thing. >> harris: that would be a will see in it? >> gov. huckabee: >> gov. huckas very reverend jackson things to against embattled cook county william barr is a very dishonest do outside his office is there man, what you will see in the state attorney kim foxx. in chicago. we will watch it. full report is a more lengthy amid continued fallout over her meanwhile, new show version of what william barr said. that there was no collusion then there was no evidence of decision to drop all charges done showed on moving against dr. jussie smollett. down mike looming over constructive you are watching, on a fine obamacare. obstruction of justice. here's the obvious question i americans would move down mike would love to ask everybody who monday, "outnumbered." political we will says there is still evidence. debate it. i'm harris faulkner. the narrative was that plus, the white house says the donald trump didn't really want here today, melissa francis. to be president, that he just fox news analyst and cohost of president is dead serious about wanted to increase his brand. benson "bension & harf" on fox's radio, shutting down the souther that he never thought he would marie harf. win, he was shocked he would post of kennedy on the with the impact of that be? win, melania was crying that fox business network, kennedy. politically and economically? night he won because i never in the center seat, former we will get into it. thought it would happen. he didn't know what to do, he arkansas governor and fox news stay with us. >> we have never seen a surge contributor of mike huckabee is like this coming from the wasn't shell-shocked by his "outnumbered," although always northern triangle company. victory. loved and welcome. if that's the case, why on earth the six it is something to be back. thank you for having me. secretary nielsen to sing we are would he have included with the at the meltdown, at the breaking russians in order to win? point. nobody has been able to answer

>> harris: a lot of news to ♪ that for me. get into, glad you're here. >> gov. huckabee: oh, i thought it was a slow news day. >> marie: i want to set jump i, i was going to leave at 1215. the letter didn't say there was [laughter] evidence. it said that mueller laid out >> harris: we haven't had one of those in a while. the chicago police union is the case for and against obstruction and william barr protesting against ken fox for her alleged interference in the made the decision. they will be evidence, i assume, smollett case. the fraternal order of police of both. it matters. demanding an investigation after fox tried to police dell might >> kennedy: this was the persuade police superintendent eddie johnson to transfer the poison pill that robert mueller put in there. case to the fbi. apparently, the request of a he's a prosecutor. this is not law enforcement, private attorney with connections to smollett's family. he's a prosecutor. he has to make a prosecutorial can fox recuse yourself from the case but stands by her office's decision. he has to decide whether or not it's obstruction. decision to drop all 16 felony if it's not obstruction, don't waffle on the issue. charges against "empire" actor, i think he was giving a gift to the other side since he said jussie smollett. there was no collusion and there claiming a conviction is unlikely and smollett is not a were a lot of people working on violent criminal. by doing really began a bit his investigation, including earlier. the first one in support of ken peter strzok. >> melissa: doesn't remind you fox and led by the reverend so much of james comey? when he came out and said there jesse jackson. was evidence but it doesn't rise here he is at the rally. to the level of a crime, then he >> she has said she is going to made out every single -- >> kennedy: he is be a progressive state attorney law enforcement, though. and that's what she has been. this is a prosecutor.

they have different job descriptions. today, as activists, as leaders >> melissa: my point is that democrats did not like fat, and all over, we are going to stand it hobbled hillary clinton. >> kennedy: but that was not with her and usher her in a new his rule. this is robert mueller's rule term come the upcoming year. james comey was not the one to we are going to make sure that say whether or not kim foxx stays at state attorney hillary clinton should be as long as she should. charged. that's the difference here. >> harris: of course there we were watching a community organizer. the reverend jackson did speak. he is at that rally. he's asking acting as a lawyera the president of chicago's fraternal order of police, kevin cop. >> harris: i want to speak on how the facts are and what is graham, earlier on expected. "america's newsroom." he says it's time for the ranking member of house judiciary made a statement for federal government to look into event air. he said judiciary democrats have can fox's handling of the case. escalated from setting arbitrary deadlines to demanding >> this case should have stood unredacted material that trial. we felt the case was solid and congress does not, in truth, that we would have gotten a required. involve the law does not allow conviction. to be shared outside the justice we wouldn't be having these discussions, and there wouldn't department. mom! he's blinking too loud. it is unfortunate that a body be the outrage and the protests meant to uphold the law has that we have going on today. sorry, is that too loud? grown so desperate that it is you don't need any more hormones in your house. i do believe the proper avenue patently misrepresenting the la at this point would be the that's why you chose kraft natural cheese. federal government investigating her in this case. made with fresh milk without the added hormone rbst. law. they have already demonstrated transparency above and beyond >> harris: chicago's police it's cheese as it should be. what is required." superintendent, eddie johnson, is now saying it's time to move so if you have the legal

expertise to argue against the on and focused on the safety of own a home, and need cash? you should know about the ranking member of house his city. newday va home loan for veterans. judiciary committee, on whether officials are looking for smollett to reimburse the cost of the police investigation. it lets you borrow up to they have a right to see this and around and around we go. unredacted. i would love to hear it. >> marie: he did lay out a legal case, he made the claim governor? >> gov. huckabee: it's a crazy that congress did not have the 100 percent of your houe case, and it's a little odd that money for you and your family. jesse jackson's having the rally legal right. >> harris: the ranking member with our military service, of the house judiciary except that the community service for jussie smollett was veterans like us have earned committee. >> marie: sometimes members of a valuable va benefit. congress say things not totally supposedly at operation push. so maybe that's the whole the right to apply for a va home loan. supported by the facts. there are things being rejected connection here. right now in that process, fear the newday va loan lets you refinance your mortgages, of those congress does have the thousands and thousands of dollars were spent investigating right to see. this. consolidate your credit card debt, the grand jury information, it was an insult to the congress may not have the right put cash in the bank, to see. law enforcement community. and lower your payments over 600 dollars a month. i want to bring this up -- it was interesting that rahm emanuel was equally unhappy >> melissa: that was his with it, but that he found a way newday usa has been granted point, the grand jury. automatic authority by the va. >> marie: but that's only one to blame donald trump for it they could close your loan in as little as 30 days. of the things being redacted. >> harris: but it's a all. this is a huge embarrassment to so call newday usa. reduction, they want to the city of chicago and federal unredacted. >> marie: i want to go off of they look at your whole financial picture, not just your credit score. that. this new nbc poll. agencies begin to look into it, it may not be for smollett. and they'll do everything they does the mueller report clear possibly can to get you approved. >> kennedy: what's at call today. president trump? 49 percent does not, 29% it and get the financial peace of mind stake whether we get it every veteran deserves. does, others say they are not sure. no one has seen it. go to newdayusa.com, right? >> kennedy: it's those that we need to see the soonest or call 1-877-236-1855. possible. what do you think about poll? >> kennedy: it serves the city of chicago into further chaos. >> melissa: it depends on how you ask questions. they don't need a diversion of i don't know, i don't take a lot the resources on a case like

of time sorting through polls this. because they don't put a lot of jesse jackson said that the stock in that after everything that happened. pushback against kim foxx is i think it's ironic that if democrats that what was done to unreasonable, unjustified, and politically motivated. other clinton was unfair, to see i think you could use the exact same terms to describe how his you can't be charged but we are going to lay out every bad thing that you've done, they said that felony charges were dropped in a case that, from all accounts, was wrong and it's rule 6e of was really solid. the penal code or whatever it i about kim foxx, she didn't is. alan dershowitz keeps talking about it, that they want to do recuse yourself. her spokesperson said she only the same wrong to this president colloquially recuse yourself. that was done to their team. she didn't actually recuse herself because her entire and you're sort of like -- you office should have been recused from the case and they weren't. are either against that sort of thing where you are for that kind of thing, it's not what's >> harris: i've heard that argument. the >> kennedy: so you can come forward and say, "i good for the goose is good for the gander. received text messages from >> marie: or they are completely different situations someone related to the family, and of a kind of investigations. i'm stepping back." kennedy is right, bob mueller's she didn't do that. there's a lot that doesn't make job was to come down make sense and the fbi will take the incision and he didn't. both sizes i were a little reins where it's appropriate in the mail fraud case. perplexed why he didn't. >> harris: i want to first say because of dominic then in the this, this is current, it's hands of -- >> gov. huckabee: i don't happening right now. think republicans are perplexed. remember, there are dueling rallies. he made no sense for her to be one in support of the state prosecuted. as a billionaire, he didn't need attorney can fox and dropping the charges against the job. democrats didn't think he wanted jussie smollett. the job. some of the of the reasons that why on gods or who would have

kennedy just gave there. colluded with the russians on the other side is the anyway? >> marie: there's still a lot fraternal order of police say of questions be answered. that they support the idea of hopefully when we get the report there will be. looking into how the case was you develop it's a battle over handled. my question for you has to do health care is a feature of obamacare heads back to the with what happens next, because courts. a warning from the 2020 part of the argument has been contender that thousands will dive the president gets his way that nobody was harmed in any of on this. this. whether that's just too i think the mayor wants $130,000 ♪ over-the-top, we will debate >> melissa: the white house next. ♪ in pay back to the city from warning that president trump is serious about his threat to shut down the southern border as a jussie smollett. >> melissa: no doubt he could pay that, no doubt someone would give him the money to pay that. new caravan of migrants from central america is heading to he has some rich and powerful the u.s. homeland security secretary friends. if he couldn't write the check kirstjen nielsen is now issuing i'm sure somebody could do it for him. a new order accelerating the deployment of hundreds of to me, these pictures say a lot. in a normal case where there is officers to the border. dhs and border officials have the difference between what the prosecutor and the police want, been stressing they are already at the breaking point with the you hear police grumbling, they are off the record. they don't come out en masse. massive migrant influx and they are pleading for help with when you get many people upset, congress. all of this is the president is also moving to cut off direct the police force, you have done. aid to honduras, el salvador, >> harris: excuse me melissa. guatemala -- the so-called i don't know if the camera will go back to what we saw. northern triangle of but on the left side of the central america whose citizens screen you had the have largely made up the reverend jesse jackson and 2 feet away from him is the

caravans. fraternal order of police here's kellyanne conway. president. so this is a jesse jackson to this because it certainly isn't a bluff. rally. you mentioned it was outside the you can take them seriously. we have never seen a surge like this, it's coming from the offices. northern triangle company. so many of these kids are okay, so, these two men have already separated by their shown up at same thing. parents, from their parents, this is the fraternal order of before they arrive here. police rally and the reverend secretary nielsen saying has shown up. resident meltdown, at a breakin. you can't see him, he slightly off camera to the right shoulder of the fop president. as they come back onto screen i want to point that out. >> melissa: dick durbin ripping the threat to shut down the border, and aid to the this contains both sides of the countries. >> when the president says he same string. will close the border, that's a marie? totally unrealistic post on his >> marie: we don't know why the charges are dropped. part. we need to focus on what's there are suspicions, allegations, we don't know. happening and central america the fbi may investigate and we may learn more about that. where three countries are dissembling before our eyes and if you want to support that? people are desperately coming to >> marie: sure. the united states. i guess my broader point is that the president cutting off aid to at this point it doesn't really these countries will not solve that problem. >> melissa: in the meantime matter. because both sides are now using the president treating today that democrats working with this to make political public republicans in congress can fix arguments about whether they the loopholes quickly. think the criminal justice we have a major national emergency of the border. get it done. system is not equal and fair to

everyone. just to take some of the emotion >> harris: when you think out of it and go with the police are political? >> marie: i think both sides numbers and the facts. we showed these number to her are making public organs. >> melissa: public, not viewers last week and i just wanted to bring them up again. political. >> marie: at the end of the day it may have very little to if you look at the surgeon that do with the actual -- the is happening very recently, the migrant family apprehension and situation, the facts of what counters up 338% border-wide. happened. my biggest issue here is i think this is a crazy story. i don't know why she dropped the 1690% in the el paso area. charges. i don't know why he did. 1700%, almost 700% in san diego. i wish a tenth of the resources and attention was paid to fixing 230% in tucson. our criminal justice system ice has released over 100,000 across the board as we are paying to this one celebrity case. >> gov. huckabee: that's what migrant families. eddie johnson, the police giant surge right now, superintendent, said. that they were so frustrated undeniable by the numbers. why do you think that is? they spent all this time dealing with this is a crime and it turned out to be a fraud. >> gov. huckabee: it's undeniable even by people like it could have gone to criminal jay johnson, who by anybody standard is certainly not a justice, it could have gone to cleaning up the city to supporter of donald trump or his policies. prosecute hate crime. but he recognizes, he's a former now people are going to be dhs secretary. it's a crisis. really suspect when there are legitimate hate crimes. 400,000 arrests by the border patrol, and apprehensions, that's more than -- the biggest >> marie: there are a lot of

that he ever had was a thousand legitimate hate crimes that and it was overwhelming to them. happen, so it shouldn't be. never during the 4,000. >> harris: here's jesse jackson moving in here. i would love for someone in the i'm asking the booth what we can united states senate and in the hear because the microphones are kind of far back. house to quit playing politics >> kennedy: can i add with the whole border issue and something about the criminal recognize that it's not a justice conversation in the name for a form of this country cost manufactured crisis. to make it something you and i it's a real crisis. had talked about. there are a lot of people that we share the passion for have their lives on the line because of it. reforming the system. >> harris: can i just add -- because i happen to have in the president surprisingly, because a lot of people don't front of me, what former dhs secretary johnson said under think a republican president would take up this mental, has really had a change of heart obama. he said, "by anyone's here. definition, by any measure, but you would be hard-pressed to right now we have a crisis at say that jussie smollett has our southern border." been a victim of the criminal he lists some numbers. justice system in chicago. if anything he has worked into he says, "i'm go down mike open his advantage. to anything that fortifies our they are people sitting in border security where it makes prison for various crimes, some sense." then he asks the question, of them consensual, who don't have the resources, political "doesn't make sense to build a 30-foot wall on top of a and financial the, that just sit down mike >> gov. huckabee: 10,000-foot mountain? no, of course not." and has there are certain areas, >> melissa: would like to see everybody understands there are areas where you won't put a defense line. some reform and furnace through the whole system. >> kennedy: i don't think >> gov. huckabee: the president understands that. jesse jackson is saying that. he has said you don't put a ball

>> harris: superintendent everywhere and it doesn't always eddie johnson, he has said the look the same breed sometimes case was not dropped. it's electronic, sometimes it's >> can you guarantee that if you the deferred prosecution ordived human, sometimes it's a physical succeed in court, all the tens barrier. what you do is you have control of millions of people who have of your border. for people who are guilty of a that's what's really at stake, health coverage guaranteed low-level crime. he said that's not what this not what it looks like but what it does. because of obamacare will not >> melissa: i think one of the lose their coverage? >> yes, and here's why. other problems, murray -- maybe you can address this. let's talk about pre-existing there's an idea that if you want conditions. he gets a lot of the attention, to take this journey must be and rightly so. escaping something horrible. every single plant of this as we've seen from the reporting white house has ever put forward of the art times and all the since donald trump was elected different places where these covered pre-existing conditions. women are raped, the children, the debate about pre-existing conditions is over. both parties support them. anybody's telling you anything and they're so much human different is lying to you for political gain. slavery. they leave think it's going be better. but the jury is so perilous, this >> kennedy: that's acting they are not in danger west chief of staff mick until they leave the country mick mulvaney carrying taine that americans will lose healthe if they succeed in shrek and >> marie: it's so heartbreaking it is a humanitarian crisis. obamacare another number i would point 2020 contender bernie sanders says thousands will literally die of out, the amount of legal commerce in economic activity every single day on the border. the present gets his way. $1.5 billion. >> trump gets his way, the cost when donald trump talks about shutting down the border, what it really means according to the of health insurance for you will be so high that many people will white house is closing ports of literally not be able to afford it.

entry. that's where the commerce goes back and forth. thousands of people will literally die. i think we should, drawing the $1.5 billion every day. when we talk about what would rest of the industrialized actually solve this crisis, shutting down legal ports of world, guaranty health care to entry -- which is with the all people as a right. white house said this would mea >> kennedy: meanwhile, mean -- won't solve the problem. >> melissa: if i could spring republican senator susan collins kennedy and before we run out of urging the trump administration not to kill a bunker, writing in time, it will. the letter, "rather than having because president trump was the courts inability of the aca, the proper route for the financial pressure on them and administration to pursue would that's how you get their be to propose changes to the aca attention. he sank to mexico, "this will or two once again seek its cost you big time. repeal. the admission should not attempt this is lewdly a to use the courts to bypass huge this will be a huge congress." the president this morning also financial crisis. weighing in on twitter, saying, you can't just usher people for your country and drop them off "the cost of obamacare is far too high for our great citizens. at our border." marie is right, it will be the deductibles in many cases our way over $7,000. causing financial damage to get their attention. it makes it almost worthless or >> kennedy: but the investment unusable. good things are going to the united states is making to happen." well, we fret about good things in the past government , govern. places like honduras, el salvador, guatemala, it isn't working. when you send billions of dollars to corrupt countries yet here we are. >> gov. huckabee: i think the that are essentially run by drug biggest mistake of any federal approach health care is it cartels, where do you think that assumes you can lay template money is going to go? over all 50 states and it's do you think they are helping going to work. health care ought to be done by

out the citizens who are most in the states. it should be block printed back. need? victims of what essentially becomes civil war in this even more than that there's a big difference between the country? no, they want people out of this country so they don't have to provide several services for demographics of massachusetts and mississippi. them. governors and legislators and because these corrupt regimes are incredibly selfish. the mike in those states will better know how to manage their what i want to know is why it state's population than any isn't, on the humanitarian level -- if this is a group of people in washington will ever be able to do. humanitarian crisis, mexico is a both sides need to give up on humanitarian country with good one point -- democrats need to people. and you have essentially atariat know that they are trying hard think more about private enough. marketplace, competition, i think the creative giant core door. it's the same thing. republicans need to recognize that in order to truly ensure it's a credible heartless. pre-existing conditions -- which >> melissa: marie is right, it i think we all agree we should will cost them as well. take care of people -- but maybe we are turning to put a here's how to do it. stop to it. carve those people out of the former vice president joe biden private marketplace because they is facing a new controversy skew the results and make the ahead of a potential 2020 run as rest of the insurance to a former nevada assembly woman expensive. that's where federal subsidy should in fact go into play. accuses him of inappropriately that way they get the coverage kissing her. biden denying any inappropriate and you have a real marketplace behavior, but in the me to air out, what could it mean for his of competition that would work political candidacy customer we will and bring costs down. debated ahead

>> for me, in this situation, it >> kennedy: but you have a large number of people running for president right now that was unwanted. it was shocking. think private insurance company should be abolished. because of the power difference. >> melissa: if you want to solve the problem, you should do context is also important here. the president is doing which is ♪ e safely. forced congress to do something. by ripping things apart, you but allstate actually helps you drive safely... force congress to get off their with drivewise. bottoms and do something. it lets you know when you go too fast... the problem is that everybody ...and brake too hard. right now in washington is trying -- they are looking more with feedback to help you drive safer. at their own reelections than giving you the power to actually lower your cost. they are at fixing anything. they want the problem to stay broken because and they have something to fight over. unfortunately, it can't do anything about that. and there is no -- there is such a risk to trying to fix this. because it's a mess and no one now that you know the truth... has been able to do it. the governor's ideas are are you in good hands? fantastic. if people were serious they could sit down and solve this problem just like the immigration problem. but republicans and democrats in washington have promised to fix it and haven't, for political reasons. >> kennedy: both sides of a promise. that's a problem because then you come up with this false dichotomy, that it's either accounts that we have or medicare for all. and both are pretty bad

solutions. >> marie: i wish congress was still be able to shamed into doing something. during a record shut down, they couldn't come together in put anything together related to immigration. the term administration pushes them with fat, which used to be a good theory, this congress doesn't seem able to do that. to do anything. they have a problem is there is no trump administration plan. they keep saying we will come up with fun, but we haven't seen anything yet. the devil is always in the details, and when republicans tried to do this the first two years the presidency come when they had plans, it failed. >> melissa: what are we mail them with the governor just sai said? focus your federal dollars on -- >> kennedy: block granted, carving a people who really need it, which is not 350 million people. that's what bernie sanders is saying. that's what it is too extensive. to help people who need help, give the states the ability to decide and give the rest of the free market hallelujah. >> gov. huckabee: you don't make a 50 state mistake.

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♪ >> harris: new reaction now, the former vice president and potential 2020 candidate joe biden defending himself after a former nevada democratic assembled woman and one-time candidate for lieutenant governor accused him of inappropriate leak kissing her at a campaign rally in 2014. here is lucy florez today on her allegations. >> he leaned in and was right behind me, on my body. he leans down, smells my hair, and then plants this big, long kiss on the top of my head. it just happened so suddenly, i didn't even know how to respond. for the record, i don't think it was a bad intention. i'm not in any way suggesting

that i felt sexually assaulted or sexually harassed. i felt invaded. i feel that there was a violation of my personal space. >> harris: well, she's got the country's attention now. former vice president biden respond this way. "i don't believe act in properly. if it is suggested i did, i will listen respectfully. but it was never my intention. i may not recall these moments the same way and i may be surprised at what i hear, but we have arrived at an important time when women feel they can and should relay their experiences and men should pay attention. and i will." white house counselor kellyanne conway says lucy flores is taking a big risk speaking out. of every great meal is always the potato?t bite that's why it should always be an idaho potato. >> she shares his political only genuine idaho potatoes have the party. he was there to help the democratic party of nevada and or can fake see. perfect taste and texture to get your meal started right. so it was quite bold for her to go up against the highest levels of his own political party. if anybody types in "creepy uncle joe" videos you come up named 'park' in the u.s. ninety-six hundred roads

with a treasure trove. for more evidentiary information it's america's most popular street name. but no matter what park you live on, and videos than we saw when one of 10,000 local allstate agents knows yours. brett kavanaugh's nomination was now that you know the truth, trying to be derailed. are you in good hands? >> harris: meanwhile, 2020 candidate senator bernie sanders says this allegation should not force biden to drop a potential run. watch it. >> i think that's a decision for >> melissa: our thanks to governor huckabee on this the vice president to make. april fools' day. you have a final thought and is i'm not sure that one incident it a prank? >> gov. huckabee: it's not a alone disqualifies anybody, but parent, this is actually true. i'm going to announce today my her point is absolutely right. candidacy for president in 2040. this is an issue not just for [laughter] the reason i say that is because democrats but republicans read the entire country has got to bernie is 77, but i didn't at take it seriously. 76, i will be in my early 80s. >> harris: democratic 80 will be the new 50. senator dick durbin told nbc yesterday he believes the why the heck not? allegations against biden are let's go ahead and do it. >> melissa: i love it. not disqualifying but should be we'll be back in the eastern taken seriously. tomorrow now here's harris. ready put this? >> gov. huckabee: three quick things. the democrats up with themselves in the box we can get out of. >> harris: we begin with the fox news alert, president trump they say you have to believe the woman. saying he serious about closing so if they really believe that, they've got to believe her. the southern border is the that's a dangerous place and he mensuration orders a surge in border agents there. don't have anyone there who can verify the intent and all the we are "outnumbered overtime" now. i'm harris faulkner.

aspects of it. number two, i like joe biden. the president says there's a very high likelihood he will close the border this week, i know that's going to surprise all of you but i think he's a good guy. >> harris: a lot of people i unless mexican authorities immediately halt all illegal can. >> kennedy: that's what he such a threat. immigration. this, as u.s. border officials say they are at a breaking >> gov. huckabee: he's a point. likable guy. counselor to the president even when he says incendiary kellyanne conway says the president means what he says. things of the campaign trail, he's doing what every candidate >> it certainly isn't a bluff. does at a rally. you can take the president i don't mind when he says he seriously, and here's why. wants to take donald trump out when he's looking at is the back. 4,000 migrants apprehended in >> harris: what's your third one day recently, we are on thing? >> gov. huckabee: the third thing is that this is an track this month for close allegation that comes five years after it happened, and this is clearly a supporter of one of the other candidates and they are all jumping on it. i think joe biden made the big mistake by not pushing back really hard. that statement to that supposedly he made, he didn't make that. if ever seen anything drafted by committee of the ad agents, that was it. it was lousy. it is a terrible answer to it. he should've pushed back and said, "look, i hug women, i sometimes put my arms on them, but a dude in public.

nobody thinks i'm a predator. anyone who think sam is totally wrong." >> harris: here's what lucy flores since. >> personally i don't believe he should run. for me, he's not my candidate. this is in no way palooka motivated. this was not treated with the seriousness that it deserved. >> harris: you know it's difficult about this? outside of the fact that we are in this #metoomomentcontinuously,itfeel s. with the government with the governor's thing doesn't discount the fact that we should continue to listen to this woman. where are we in this walk? to give her might add. >> marie: 's company. we talked about it a lot here. we should default to listening to women when they come forward. it's not a pleasant thing necessarily to do but in terms of this situation we are seeing a lot of stories about joe biden. not just about his records on

race and other gender issues, there is a concerted effort, i know for a fact, among democrat activists to keep them out of the race. because they think is the purchase of enough. they think he can't win in a general election. they think he will squander opportunity to take back the white house. the most important thing is to win with donald trump. there is a concerted effort -- and i must think she's a part of it, i don't know -- but i know for a fact -- >> harris: but he said we have to listen to her and believe her. that's why it's complicated. >> marie: it's complicated, but some democrats are trying to keep joe biden out of the race. >> harris: can i just say this question of why is there -- and you can put kellyanne conway aside, there are other ways to look at history of this. why is there such a touchy-feely pass that is on camera with this particular former vice president? if that weren't there, would soon be talked about? i think that's a fair question. >> kennedy: joe biden is a hair-sniffer. [laughter] >> harris: excuse me? >> kennedy: kellyanne conway's

right, the video evidence speaks to that conclusion. i don't know if he's getting anything out of it. that's just how he is. in this day and age you can't be a hugger. you can't be a clavicle-tickler. you can't do any of that. >> marie: donald trump won! >> harris: was that never wrong or is it only wrong now? >> kennedy: is more wrong now than it has been because of the national conversation. >> melissa: i think this is been out there forever. we have always thought, there's always been videos, it's always been "creepy uncle joe," whatever. he's got away with it for a long time. he's probably right about his intention, he doesn't mean anything by it. it doesn't make it appropriate. i wonder if rather than this being, -- i'm just countries te possibility -- is a concerted effort on their part or is it them spring out there first before he puts the hat in the ring, knowing for sure this would come out? >> harris: you're the only one

on the couch who has ever run for president. >> gov. huckabee: you do your own opposition research on yourself before you do it on the candidates. number one thing. he tried to ward off things but you don't play it like this. you don't get lucy flores to go out and make these allegations. he would just go out and say, "i know there are some photos out there that probably make it look -- but the me just tell you something. >> marie: she was at a beto a rally this weekend. for her to say otherwise about it being political motivated is disingenuous. people are making this big effort before he gets in the race formally and secures a bunch of money. he's got the name recognition. he's got likability. >> harris: real quickly, before we run out of time, the wife of former defense secretary ash carter had this to say. we will pull this quote out because she is defending joe biden. "the joe biden and my pictures a close friend helping someone get through a big day. for which i will always be grateful. i felt awful that after he had generously taken time out of his

day to swear in an old friend, his attempt to support me had become a joke and even more. supposed proof positive that he didn't understand how to respect women." i see you nodding. why? >> marie: i have met the former vice president, been in meetings end. i have a lot of female friends who worked very closely to them. they say the same thing. he idea that he is a predator is not the position. the effort that i mention, that there are democrats trying to push them out of the race, i think it's actually really destructive to the party. democrats have a great way of eating their own but he could be the nominee. if he is, we have to support him. claiming this for my party, it is so infuriating. >> harris: do most people know who these progressive democrats are who would do something like this or is this kind of a back channel thing? >> marie: i have no idea. but i think that as a party a lot of people in my camp are

saying -- light, my party camp -- are saying this effort in the long run could end up hurting the man he was our nominee. so i redoing this? he is credibly accused of sexual assault. let's keep our eye on the prize here, people. >> gov. huckabee: i hope you guys keep it up. >> marie: i'm sure you do. >> gov. huckabee: his second term guaranteed if you keep doing this. thank you very much, tell your people to hang in there. the >> marie: people need to listen to him on the democratic side. listen to the governor. >> harris: lucy flores, whatever situation was, she is being heard. if her idea was to get attention on that issue, as we have seen many women do before a man or a woman would ascend, she is that. we will cover how it turns out. some democrats are not giving up on collusion, despite the attorney general's summary of the mueller report. violating the the house judiciary committee is planning a subpoena for the full report. will democrats ever be satisfied

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