♪ >> dana: hello, everyone. i am dana perino with lisa boothe, juan williams, pete hegseth, and tyrus. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." president trump threatening bold new action in the fight over border security. trump saying that he will shut down the southern border among warnings of immigrants overwhelming the system. the president cutting foreign aids to three central american countries, this comes as border patrol agents expect to see over 100,000 apprehensions the

situation is at a breaking point and that he has never seen anything like this before. homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen announcing she's ordering hundreds of additional agents of the border. this latest potential move i president trump igniting fierce debate from both sides. >> it isn't a bluff. you can take the president seriously. >> and the president says he's going to close the border, that's a totally unrealistic boast on his part. >> democrats will not give us additional money or additional people. they will not change the law acting as this giant magnet for people from central and south america. >> we are going to do everything we can to stop it. >> you have the mexican government allowing thousands of o walk all across mexico. they provide them bosses and drop them off at the border and say here. >> dana: pete, we have a serious problem. you have the secretary saying we can't guarantee i can protect

the country. i can't guarantee was coming in. you have border patrol guys saying they've never seen anything like it. it's a cry for help. washington is where the problem could be solved but they are throwing up their hands. >> pete: including former obama administration officials like jeh johnson coming out and saying it is in crisis. 1,000 today when i was dhs secretary would've been a bad day. now we have 4,000 a day. >> dana: even bernie sanders did call it a crisis. >> pete: they call it a different kind of crisis. they don't see it as a law and order crisis. they don't see it as a reflection of the fact that the president is serious about the problem and congress never has been. why do we keep trying to do things that don't work? aid to guatemala, el salvador, honduras. the leaders of those countries are helping facilitate their citizens leaving those countries to mexico to our country. we spend billions over years trying to fix their governmental

structures and their economy so we don't have this problem. at what point do you say this aid isn't working? >> dana: juan, two of those governments are center right and supportive of the united states. how do you feel about cutting off aid? >> juan: it will backfire tremendously. look at the percentage of where the money goes. it's like 40% of the money goes to economic aid to try to stabilize and help those economies grow so people can have jobs there. more than half the money goes to either law enforcement or crime suppression. dealing with gangs and the like. that makes people feel safer, less violent, less likely to decide it's worth their time to enter the united states. >> dana: but they are leaving in droves. >> juan: dana is here. she's made this point repeatedly. we need to invest in those countries substantially as a first step to stop people from making that trip. i would say this. i don't think closing the border is going to help us if the

problem is the humanitarian crisis. i think more people will come to the border if they say the borders being closed. it's closed. then you're going to have to detain more people and we know the problem here, this is what people are talking about, pete, is that we don't have the facilities are the staff to deal with this. >> pete: because the democrats don't want to fund it. >> juan: they want to fund it but they don't want to play what has been donald trump's cruel policy of his family separation. >> lisa: i think what president trump is doing is trying to put as much pressure on congress to do something because there are easy solutions to try to solve this problem with this influx of central american seeking asylum in the country. you can do things like the flora's degree, close loopholes like the one in the 2018 human traffic law that differentiates the way you treat central american unaccompanied s those coming from mexico. there is the asylum.

the disconnect between the people who pass the screening but like 9% think it granted asylum in the courts. instead congress is making the problem worse. we see it with the conferee solution for dhs funding. essentially he had democrats trying to reduce the amount of i.c.e. detention beds, tying the hand of president trump and funding for the wall and even things like section to do for which essentially gives deportation immunity to potential sponsors with unaccompanied minors. instead of helping the situation, congress has made it worse. >> dana: that is sometimes the way it works. >> tyrus: congress making it worse? >> dana: at the border -- >> tyrus: financially it's dangerous. there's a crisis within a crisis and we don't have enough border patrol agents to cover it, so what we are doing is taking them

away from sea and airports and its leading us vulnerable. i was doing some investigating and the hiring process is broken to get these border patrol agents out there. nine out of 10 applicants fail a polygraph. veterans a lot of times are turned away because one of those questions, have you ever killed anyone? someone in combat is automatically disqualified. >> dana: is that right? >> tyrus: according to my source. that's wild. >> dana: we are going to have to look into it. >> dana: have heard the morale for the people that are there is really low. >> tyrus: they are exhausted. there is rumors that they haven't been paid back hours. there's a crisis within a crisis. congress has to do a lot of things. they have to fix the visa loopholes because most illegal immigrants -- they are coming over legally but they are not going back. on top of all that, dealing with

the stuff on the borders, let's not forget the farmers, the floods. we have crises now that we don't need arguing and politics. >> dana: that money is being voted on today. >> juan: going back to where you started, tyrus, economically what an impact this is going to have on commerce. third-largest trading partners mexico. >> pete: why are we worried about mexico? americans' jobs are being taken away. >> juan: it's going to hurt american jobs. it's going to hurt american jobs. people will be put out of work. you're going to lose in terms of skyrocketing prices on cars, alcohol, produce. people saying that in three weeks were not going to have avocados. >> dana: it's a big decision and it's not without consequences. >> lisa: this is the frustration of president trump because when people are acknowledging now there is a crisis on the seven border, jeh johnson -- >> dana: we have that, do you

mind if i play that? we have sound from former dhs secretary jeh johnson. >> by anyone's definition, by anyone's measure, right now we have a crisis at the southern border. there were 4,000 apprehensions in one day alone this past week. on pace for 100,000 to apprehensions on our southern border. that is by far a greater number than anything i saw on my watch in my years as secretary of homeland security. >> lisa: it -- hearing from the guy himself. the fact that he is entering the fray and going on tv and talking about the crisis, acknowledgment of the fact there's a lot going on at the southern border that we need to be paying attention to. it lends credibility because the left and the media cannot say it's manufactured crisis from president trump with him weighing in. >> juan: it's not an invasion. >> pete: it sure is. >> dana: i think 100,000 people a month is a lot.

>> tyrus: i hate the word invasion. >> juan: we are at a low point -- goat >> pete: they our laws laws. gang violence, drug violence, human trafficking. come to our country illegally. >> dana: one of the best ways to deal with it would be the asylum law. >> juan: most of these people are families and children applying for asylum. >> dana: one of the things and congress could fix this by the end of the week, the asylum los loss. fix it and deal with these other things, that actually could help everybody. children should not be put in that dangerous position. all right, a brand-new fight over the euler report. details next.

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campaign was colluding with the russians. >> pete: president trump tearing these democrats to shreds saying today on twitter: is bob mueller still a hero? a truth teller? >> juan: i think bob mueller is a truth teller. i don't see anyone attacking him. i see people disappointed with the findings but that's just politics. people hoping there was something more condemning to the president but it wasn't there. we don't know about the mueller report but according to bill barr, i will say i don't think it anything wrong in jerry nadler and people in congress saying that we want to see the actual report. it's like 80-plus percent of

americans, republicans and democrats want to see the repor report. it certainly is the congress' responsibility to make every effort to obtain this report. oversight of the executive branch. bill barr saying that were not going to respond to the subpoena, in which case will end up in the courts and they will decide. >> pete: every period, every comma. >> juan: you have limits in terms of sources of the ongoing investigation but if you are trusting bill barr, his politics. people aren't going to buy it. people are going to say he got this job because he was so enamored of presidential power, go back to when he was attorney general. >> pete: will they accept it? >> dana: i feel like there is no benefit to bill barr during this characterizing of the report. if his summary so off base, i

truly believe mueller or someone on his team, many of them are much more political and left-leaning then mueller was. mueller was a republican. we could've heard something by now. i'm not surprised there's this constitutional dispute. it's classic. i have a feeling that if the shoe were on the other foot and the parties were reversed, would they have said we are good? there's no way. when the report comes out, at that point if the democrats don't believe it and if it holds up with what barr said, then i think they will look ridiculous. >> pete: new "washington post" polls show 63% of democrats do not accept mueller's findings. >> tyrus: unfortunately they are not going to. we saw this with the hillary clinton emails. it didn't matter with the fbi said. it's going to be the same thing on this issue. if you hate president trump, you're going -- if the report says there was

questionable activity but nothing that was strong enough to warrant criminal prosecution prosecutions, it's going to be well, he still did something. unfortunately we live in a time where facts don't really mean anything. it's going to be that way. if you hate the president, you're going to continue to hate the president. if you support the president, you're going to support the president. the one page that came out where he said there isn't any collusion but it doesn't exonerate him. if you love him, you read the top part. if you are a democrat, you read "does not exonerate." >> pete: sources and methods were a big thing when fisa applications were being released. democrats were very concerned. i have a whole page here that was redacted. suddenly they won every word released. >> lisa: that's not going to happen and they are going to claim there's a cover up to tyrus' point, this is never-ending. first like democrats didn't accept the results of the 2016 election, they're not going to accept the results of the

investigation. if they are into getting into the bottom of russian meddling, look at the dossier. sowing discord, it's not money spent on facebook ads. we know both weren't changed. that's not what's owed discord. what did was the dossier. democrat funded russian if disinformation piece. christopher steele sources, foreign russian ministry officer. that's what caused division. we need to get to the bottom of it and how it was used by the fbi. daniel hoffman, 30-year cia officer, wrote about this in 2018 for "the wall street journal." >> juan: no surprise but i see things so differently. the key is what's dividing the country is the fact that we had a foreign government and this is confirmed by the report interfere in u.s. elections and secondly we had a campaign that

even if they weren't in a conspiracy with that government government -- they had -- >> lisa: democrats are never going to accept it. >> tyrus: my point. >> lisa: i'm sorry. tyrus' point. >> juan: "wall street journal" poll this morning, 40%, a plurality of americans, does not clear trump. 30%, additional 30% say they are not sure what it means. >> pete: when we get the remainder of the report and it says there's no collusion, are you prepared to counsel your fellow democrats and say move o on. >> juan: yeah. what if it says there was base to argue for obstruction. indicators as we heard from the congressman, the trump campaign didn't exactly run to the police and say these foreign russians are trying to interfere in our campaign. >> dana: is anyone going to argue with him?

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i think for me this and other positions that he's taken are problematic and that he does not acknowledge that the way in which he treats or at least the way in which he's interacted with many women -- because that was the reason i decided to say something. >> juan: raising questions about whether or not joe biden is fit to run for president. here are what other 2820 are saying. >> i believe lucy floris. joe biden needs to give an answer. >> i have no reason not to believe her. people raise issues may have to address them and that's what he will have to do have to do. >> i have no reason not to believe lucy. what this speaks to is the need to fundamentally change the culture of the country. >> juan: one prominent democrat defending joe biden. here is dick durbin saying the allegation is not disqualifying. >> i think all of us should take such allegations seriously and with respect.

i took joe biden's statement to say just that exactly. certainly one allegation is not disqualifying that it should be taken seriously. >> juan: dana, lucy flores says there was nothing that made her feel it was a sexual overture. >> dana: so why now? it's pretty obvious why now. biden does not have a campaign. there's no infrastructure. the response is lumbering and slow. they are also doing it by paper statements. there's nobody on camera to defend him. also there is nobody on his team that can raise questions as to her political motivations. basically by not having a campaign, he better benefits by not having the expectations. he doesn't have a way to respond to attacks. the media has mostly given lucy

floris a pass on the question of her political motivations while everyone else who are his competitors are all saying we have no reason not to believe her. i don't have any reason not to believe her either but i would say there's a big movement about political #metoo stuff. if it happened five years ago, why not do this when al franken was being targeted? why now? obviously we all know why. >> juan: answer the question. >> dana: she was a member of the burning campaign. she is affiliated with beto o'rourke now. maybe she wants some attention. i don't know. i'm i think she didn't feel weird about this. i don't know. i've been in washington a long time and i've been around joe biden a few times. i've never felt in anyway or heard heard in any way that his way of showing affection as he calls it has been inappropriate or people thought that it was sexual. she feels uncomfortable, okay.

>> lisa: it's a political hit job. that's why it is. that's why the timing is now. this is a warning shot to joe biden of what he's going to face if he wants to jump in the race. i've worked on campaigns and an opposition research. this is exactly what that is. unfortunately for joe biden, there's endless amounts of video and photos of him being quite frankly creepy that are out there. we've seen it before with the me too movement, how it's weaponized against political opponents and that's what's going to happen here. even more than this, i don't think joe biden is that strong of a candidate to begin with. if you go through his electoral history, he hasn't had a tough election since his first one in 972. two failed presidential bids under his belt. i wouldn't be surprised if he ends up not getting into the race. >> tyrus: collusion, collusion, collusion. super left mainstream media and crazy left-wing democrats. he is not the chosen one. he's not who they want. first they went after bernie with attacks, bernie is so

squeaky clean. sexual harassment in his campaign and he didn't know about it so how can we trust this guy to be our guy? this is what we do. i am predicting. anyone want to bet a dollar? president trump is going to end up winning the popular vote in the next election because -- not because of anything he does but what the democratic party -- they cannot open an umbrella together as a team. they're going to decide who they want. no disrespect. biden has every right to run but they're going to try to run a mile because he's not the one they want. he's not their narrative. let the people make the decision. you made this mistake with hillary and bernie before. >> dana: this polling, despite the hits and not having a campaign from his polling has remained the highest of all of them. >> tyrus: they are going to still go after him because he's not the one they want. >> pete: i like to call him jeb biden. he is the jeb bush of this election cycle. the washington types like him

because he has big name i.d. other than that, there's no appetite for joe biden. does he want every passing day, do i want the defining part -- 76-year-old man who's been the vice president of the united states, do i want to spend the next year and half of my life apologizing or at least the next year? the crime bill, anita hill. >> tyrus: bernie people, if you treat them the way bernie was treated last time, they're going to go home. that's why i'm talking about the popular vote goes to trump. they are going to go home. they're not going to join the team. you are terrible with our guy. >> juan: i'm willing to take the bet. i think democrats are so consistent in saying to pollsters that their number one priority is beating donald trump. >> pete: if that was so, then they would choose joe biden. >> juan: that's what dana just told you. the numbers are consistent. >> pete: they are more obsessed with what is your

gender, what is your race. >> juan: i don't think so. i am surprised that four of the five, you are defending joe biden. >> tyrus: because wrong is wrong. >> dana: we are being consistent. trying to be consistent here. >> tyrus: you are not defending him? seven remember what it was al franken. >> dana: we defended him. >> tyrus: i noy am sitting in greg's chair. >> juan: then you had a lot of women on the democratic side who said you've got to go. >> dana: democratic women who won't give any money to kirsten gillibrand. >> juan: republicans were saying if you're going to have one standard for donald trump and not apply it to democrats, then you are a hypocrite. >> lisa: we will know if

joe biden is jeb bush if he puts in exclamation mark. he did jeb. >> pete: he said never did i believe i acted improperly. it doesn't matter what he believes. it matters what she thinks she saw and there will be plenty more hits. i think he's probably not a bad guy. i don't know joe biden. >> juan: i don't think he's a bad guy. stephanie carter, whose picture was all over this week, she is ash carter's wife, former secretary of defense, at his swearing-in, there were pictures of joe biden holding stefan or carter's shoulders, whispering in her ear and she came out and said he's a longtime friend. nothing untoward, nothing she felt offended by. apparently in the #metoo era, joe biden is going to have to address the issue along with, by the way, his handling of the anita hill-clarence thomas confirmation. >> pete: you can't call pence

a decent guy which he's had to apologize for for weeks. >> dana: i wish they would just tell him to shut up. >> juan: jussie smollett getting slammed by fellow celebrities. >> they said no jussie smollett joke. what is he thinking? >> juan: the latest on the smollett saga. that's ahead on "the five."

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colleagues in hollywood. chris rock slamming smollett at the naacp image awards. >> they said no jussie smollett joke. what the hell was he thinking? you are jessie from now on. no u. >> you are not going to believe what just happened to me. i know what you're thinking but it's not bad. >> what is it? >> i got a text again. >> what we were thinking. >> good, so you believe me? >> no. >> what is wrong with you, man? >> lisa: juan, i'm going to start with you, the nonpartisan association of district attorneys who skewered foxx. you've also got the illinois bar association or prosecutors set her days -- her handling of

it was dishonest. >> juan: she initially recused herself. try to do, apparently. when he was thought to be the victim and there was pressure and we discussed it, there was pressure coming from people high and mighty, some closed the obamas saying have the fbi look at it. that case shifted and then suddenly he was the suspect and that's a whole different case and actually it was the number one prosecutor who made the decision that there would be an alternate deal, as we now know. to me, i love the humor. i think he deserved the skewering that he got over the weekend. i'm so proud that other black people are doing it. clearly it's not a racial thing. it's -- i think people have set on the show, it's a money thing. is he be treated like the rich, different standard of justice for people who are well-connected or have money or fame. to me, the whole idea of jussie

smollett, should i say in chris rock tradition, he doesn't deserve the u. he has damaged himself. he is the target of humor among people who you would a som would be his supporters. -- would assume would be his reporters. >> lisa: alluding to the fact that evidence and testimony would make prosecution uncertain. how does that square with the office question like they have pointed at evidence, the check, the letter that he sent himself, the brothers on camera buying the supplies. >> pete: last time i checked, prosecution is a most always uncertain unless you have a smoking gun and the evidence in the videotape. in this case you have the words of a man proven to be false. from a public perception, when you see corruption, leasing privilege, you see political connectedness, lies about race

crimes that are so visceral inside the american consciousness. you want them to present the evidence and let someone else decide, not a prosecutor who could potentially be on one side of the issue, especially with the police coming out the way they have. i am rarely seen bullies come out so strongly about something. if they think their time is wasted and money, resources wasted. >> lisa: foxx is up for reelection. clearly some vulnerability by writing this op-ed. what sort of jeopardy sheehan? >> dana: i'm not sure about her but the mayoral race which is happening now between two african-american women. it's become of big issue. i love the editorial writer clarence page, writes for the "chicago tribune" ." he doesn't think it's funny but he saying it's an odd sign of progress to see a black man with enough wealth and the connections can receive the same

special bricks in the criminal justice system that used to be reserved for a nod and a wink for rich, white men. there's a a possibility that smollett -- >> tyrus: to chris rock, i am am -- chris rock says what was he thinking in the fact that is bad as the deal was, the speech afterward. it was the outrage. at some point i know that you're used to having directors. having someone say don't talk. he came out and when he made that statement, i wouldn't be my mother sign if i didn't tell you -- at that moment, it became outrage.

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>> tyrus: chick-fil-a facing controversy. two airports blocking the chain. san antonio airport last week. texas attorney general's honeys going to investigate this city's decision to see if chick-fil-a's religious liberty was violated. this chicken outrage, a magazine article in new york. 17 more choices for chicken sandwiches and set of chick-fil-a. i am all for it. i think chick-fil-a is going to be fine.

in south carolina, our sponsor was a chick-fil-a restaurant. i was disrespected. i've chosen not to eat their products. they have a right to be opened and i am a right not to eat there. they can't go somewhere, i couldn't be more against it. >> dana: did they make it up to you? could they make it up for you? >> tyrus: no, no. you move on. >> juan: i'm concerned about the religious rights of opinion. they have a different opinion. they close on sundays. i'm very respectful of that. i think people like they're chick-fil-a but do i think even in a religious sense that they should be anti-gay? no.

>> pete: they put out a statement. you are welcome at chick-fil-a. >> tyrus: still donating to certain groups. >> pete: in a free country, are you not allowed as a private company to have a corporate culture? question like that some assault on religious freedom. >> juan: you must acknowledge we should abide by the idea and i think especially for christians, that we should all be treated as equal. >> pete: is called tolerance. tolerating someone else's opinion that is in your own. >> lisa: it seems that chick-fil-a are the ones being discriminated against because because they're not preventing anyone from walking into their restaurants. they are not preventing people who are gay going in there getting food. working there. they said anyone is welcome to work here. they're not actively discriminating against anyone but you have people trying to prevent them from being able to hold shop in an airport.

>> juan: didn't you hear what tyra said? the money they put into the anti-game movement. >> lisa: they gave money to charity. >> tyrus: 9.9 million but you give ten bucks to the clan and it's an issue. >> dana: dares not an organization that gives a lot to liberal groups that conservative say i will never eat there. i am like the lady at yellow brand's event, just trying to get some ranch. >> tyrus: they have every right to be open. >> pete: and have the corporate culture they want. >> lisa: they should have t-shirts. just trying to get some chicken.

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find them with the refrigerated desserts. ♪ time now for within more thing. i'm going to go first and pay tribute to arlene howard. she passed away this weekend. you might remember her. she was the mother of a new york city police officer who lost his life on septembe september 11th she passed away on sunday ought 95 years old. she gave her son's bang to president bush on the day he visited ground zero shortly after the attack the. george, arlene's son was an nypd officer. he railed into the city on his day off to help save as many lives as he could. president bush actually carried that badge with him every day of his presidency as a symbol of lives lost when he addressed a joint session of congress the following week he had it there saying it was given to him as a proud memorial. marlene served as 2345eu68 clerk in world war ii and went on to hold a special place in president bush's

harst but everybody in america. she had long time congressman peter king. strong tough and caring. and indeed she was. rest in peace, arlene. >> juan: very cool: very spring weekend for the williams family the grand kids had fun at the a packed zoo. my wife and i went to take a look at nature's glory the cherry blossoms in full bloom. it was jampacked around the titled basin. boy was it worth it how awesome a sight cherry bosms can be. of course you have to take a picture of loved one next to the cherry blossom. his or her is high wife and here is me. afterwards i took back some cherry blossom head bands for the grand girls. the cherry blossoms, i have got to tell you, just heavenly, folks. so was seeing all the families and elderly. i can't tell you, some people were moved to tears by springtime's beauty. welcome springtime. >> dana: i'm about moved to tears because spring has not arrived in new york yet. >> pete: it's a little

chilly. >> pete: at fox nation we are continuing to try to prove we are the netflix of conservatives. we have a new one easter and palm sunday come, i have a two-part documentary about jerusalem day woul would debutin april 119 called the battle in the holy city. here is a quick preview. >> history of jerusalem as long as humanity. does the history matter as much as today as it did over the millennial. battle of the holy story about the under current. on the surface things may look still under ground a silent battle being waged for control 6 jerusalem. filled with a lot of exclusive fight damage where cameras have never gone interviews and access and got to sit down with israeli prime minister b.b. netanyahu who says a lot of interesting things about jerusalem. you think you know the story until you go underground and on camera and off camera. people, it is not over the battle for that city april 11th. >> lisa: we are in the midst of march madness final four this weekend. this is individual jo video caln

banking all these shots. he is taking internet by the storm with these impressive moves he has got. his dad says before he could even stand and walk his obsession with shooting the basketball. also obsessed with michael jordan documentaries and of course the movie space jam, obviously, colleges be on the lookout this little cutie could potentially be a prospect for you. >> >> juan: a little pete hegseth. >> lisa: is he 4 years old. >> tyrus: lending on a high note. we have another shoat coming out spoiler alert. enough said with tyrus it's me going one-on-one with great people around the world. >> >> dana: am i going to be on it? >> tyrus: yes, you are. more somber note pay respects to nipsy russell who was shot and killed at 33. you always hear about put newark first. this young brother put his neighborhood first. he was investing in his neighborhood which you often never see. i got a chance to spend time with him on music video back

in the day he was a humble good dude. we are sorely sad to see him go. >> dana: devastating. thanks for joining us. way to kick off the week. we appreciate it set your tvrs. never miss an episode of "the five." bret is up next. >> bret: subpoenas to get a full look at the unredacted look on the russia investigation. joe biden battles accusations inappropriate conduct towards women as presidential hopefuls gather in washington. sheriff in colorado says he goal to jail rather than obey a controversial proposed law allowing confiscation of guns. this is "special report." ♪ ♪ good evening, welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. house democrats are putting new pressure on the justice department tonight. they want to seat special counsel's report without redactions. right away. this occurs as we get new guidance about president trump's threat to close the border with mexico.