dolan jr. and dante, you too, you are our midnight heroes. thanks for putting a smile on her face. most watch, most trusted, most grateful you spent the eveningok with us. good night from washington, i'm shannon bream. ♪ c >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." if we want to begin tonight's show with an apology. apologies aren't something you often hear on cable news on this or any other show but we are offering one anyway. there's no lawsuit forcing us to do it, no court order making us or skittish advertisers. we are sincere in this, we mean it. it has to do with joe biden. biden, as you know, is planning to run for president. back in the news this week in all the wrong ways after a series of women accused him of inappropriate physical contact. his first accuser, lucy flores, described what it was like to have the former vice president head.he top of her >> i felt and get closer. he leaned in and right behind me

on my body and he leans down, smells my hair and then plants this big, long kiss on the top of my head. >> tucker: another accuser, a woman called emile apple remember that biden once gave her an unwelcome eskimo kiss.al >> he walked up to me and wrapped his hands around my face like that and pulledd me in and started rubbing noses with me. it was for like a good 15 seconds and i remember thinking, is he going to kiss me? >> tucker: and then yesterday, two more women came forward, one of them account of that biden had once hugged her "a little too long." this is how presidential campaigns die. so, desperate to end a story, joe biden released a statement today promising not to touch strangers anymore. >> in my career i've always try to make a human connection. that's my responsibility i think. i shake hands, i hope people, i

grab men and women by the shoulders and say you can do this. now it's all about taking selfies together. social norms are shifting and the boundaries of protecting personal space have been reset and i get it. i get it. i hear what they are saying. i understand it. and i will be much more mindful, that's my responsibility. my responsibility, and i will meet it, but i will always believe governing, quite frankly, life, for that matter, is about connecting. connection with people. that won't change but i will be more mindful and respectful of peoples' personal space, and that's a good thing. >> tucker: there something sad, pathetic, really about watching a 76-year-old man apologize for not understanding selfiesin culture. you help your own golden years would be a little bit more dignified than that. but he's a politician and he had no choice. they drove him to it. and so did we. if that's the point of tonight's

apology. when the story first broke that he had been passing out eskimo kisses and sniffing other people's hair, it was irresistible. if you couldn't not laugh at it. we heartily did. we mocked joe biden as a compulsive hugger, a cuddler run amok. it was too amusing. what we should have said every bit as loudly, and what we apologize now for not saying, is that hugging is not sexual assault. eskimo kisses aren't rape. at that used to be obvious. it's not obvious anymore and so we are sorry for helping blur the distinction between human affection and immoral behavior. the last thing this country needs is more aggrieved people who think they've been assaulted because a senior citizen hugged them wrong. so we apologize for adding to that nonsense and antihuman hysteria. none of this, by the way, it is a defense for joe biden the man for his run for president. we disagree with them on a lot of things. just a week ago we told you about his grave in an absurd claim that america should get rid of our english legal

tradition. biden says things like that all the time and we will keep criticizing him when he does. but hugging people is not a sin. sorry, it's not. even if many people on the left would like to criminalize it. listen to nancy pelosi described the lessons she has drawn from watching joe biden. >> i don't think it's disqualifying. i do think it's about communication in general beyond this. i'm a member of the straight arm club. i'm aal straight armer. just pretend you have a cold and i have a cold. >> tucker: let's pretend we all have colds. that's the world nancy pelosi demands we live in. but what kind of society isat that, a place where everyone has a cold? it's a sick society. it's a cold and antiseptic place, a fearful place. a society where censors watch and judge her every action. a place where it's unwise to get too close to other people. in a society like that,

exuberance and human warmth are too risky to display in public. it is a joyless pc hell. it nancy pelosi in so many on the left already live there. you can see it on their faces. they are miserable and afraid. they insist that we join them. we won't go. a country where you are afraid to touch other people as a country we don't want to live i in. kevin mcdonald is thee author of "the diversity of illusion. heather, thanks very much for coming on. inst in the past 24 hours you been rethinking this question. sort of jumped headlong into the marking of joe biden, which was fine, i will say. then i heard nancy pelosi say what you just said, we really ought to approach other people as if we all have colds that have an arm's length relationship with people who are not related to us. what kind of society is she describing? >> an inhuman one, tucker. one there where where there iso forgiveness, no acceptance of differences of behavior.

we are all supposed to be for diversity, right? how about accepting the diversity of an older generation that has a different style of engagement that has not been terrorized into frigid self-criticism by the feminist harpies that cannot understand that there are different human beings, different ways of relating to people. this is going to end normal human intercourse as we know it if they are allowed to get away with this. these females have all said there was sexual about it. if the conversation should end there. the new standard they are setting is they are determining the subjective experience. there's no personal standard we are certainly not going to accept the mansfield, as biden said i had no intention to offend anybody. i was not intending anything sexual.

none of that matters now. if a feminist feels offended and the interaction is objectively offensive and that is a recipe for chaos and alienation. >> tucker: i think you're exactly right. a recipe for what we have, chaos and alienation increasingly so i will speak for myself, i look al this and there something amusing about watching the left eat itself because they have to adhere to their own ludicrous things. they are living in the pc hell they created for the rest of us but what happened joe biden is what they've created for the rest of us. >> it's hard not to take a certain fiendish glee in this because it certainly turn around is fair play. this is a man who unleashed the war on due process and campus tribunals, who has unleashed every single feminist trope about phantom rape culture for the last few decades. it's purely just what he's getting. nevertheless, i urge you, tucker, to step above pure political vendetta and say

what's at stake here is human society. young people have to understand, old people, people have to be a little flexible, but the feminist worldview is brittle, it's intolerant, it's unforgiving and it's utterly narcissistic. these females are saying their worldview, their subjective experience should be now the norm for everybody else regardless of whether it is objectively reasonable what their interpretation is. >> tucker: what would you say to nonliberals? the temptation is always going to be to engage in exactly the behavior that you criticizing others. in other words, they are destroying politicians. bernie sanders apparently, or maybe leaks this against joe biden so now conservatives can become every bit as aggrieved and use the same style, but that is a trap i think. >> absolutely. you have to realize that principal matters and the precedent you are setting will be used against you.

there's always changes of power and the ideal for human experience is to live by something that is not share partisan vengeance and to set principles that you are happy to live with for yourself and for other people. so again, in this case as tempting as biden is as a target and certainly -- he is the strongest contender againstai donald trump, but his real sin is just his own history of stoking the feminist furies.g again, we should not go down that path, because i can guarantee you there's going to be a whole line of republican politicians who deserve to succeed for going to have photos taken of them when they've got an arm around somebody just simply because they are a physical human being and i will tell you the other thing that we can see where this is taking us, college which was roundly mocked in 1990 for its affirmative consent policy for drunk and campus hookups and said every

last grope has to be explicitly agreed to enter but he said this is crazy. two decades later every college hass it. now they are applying affirmative consent to platonic touch. now am daughter objects to her mother hugging her because she didn't get consent. this is where this is going to take us, tucker. >> tucker: it really is dystopian, the kind of sterile world. >> it's a sterile world. >> tucker: i can't think of anybody who could explain that better than you to stay. thank you very much. >> thank you so much, tucker. >> tucker: this is a fox news alert. if the immigration crisis continues and intensifies at the mexican border illegal immigrants are being linked to murders here in the united states. trace gallagher is tracking two cases right now for us. >> you talk about a revolving door. 40-year-old william regina chavez is an admitted ms-13 gang member. c back in 2000 he was involved in a fatal stabbing of a long island man. convicted, sent to prison and in 2017 he was deported back to el salvador.

but yesterday martinez was rearrested in the same part of long island where he killed a man 19 years ago, except now he claims he is no longer an ms-13 member. ice says "it is the job of the brave men and women of ice to take those who break the laws of this country off the streets and see that they are removed back to their home countries." although the numbers show that he's gotten into the u.s. twice, he will likely return. meantime, 33-year-old jorge rios was arrested this week in connection with the death of a 35-year-old manny in new jersey. carolina's body was found last week in a lake in a jersey city park. she had apparently gone for a jog and never returned. the medical examiner says she was raped, strangled and submerged in the lake. the surveillance video led police to jorge rios, who apparently did not know the victim. listen. >> our understanding is that it

was strangers and he frequented the park and we feel real comfortable that we have the right person based on his p statement. >> turned up the suspect in this country -- was in this country illegally and had been deported twice to honduras.l ice says it will take custody of jorge rios following his case despite limited cooperation from authorities in new jersey because of sanctuary city policies. tucker. >> tucker: unbelievable story. thank you very much. the united states appears to be facing one of the worstyo border crises in its history. how much point does the government of mexico deserve for this crisis? mexican government official will join us into a rare appearance after the break. ♪ ♪

♪ >> tucker: u.s.-mexico border is experiencing a float full-bn crisis. 100,000 people arrived there last month alone. one reason for this crisis is the behavior of the mexican government. that country's economy relies, remittanceselies on sent back from the united states. that means instead of caring for its own poor, mexico can just off-load them on us, not to mention the port of central america. despite this, mexico still receives hundreds of millions of dollars in direct foreign aid from the united states in addition to all the indirect aid nafta has provided. is there any reason that should

continue? juan hernandezez is the secretay of migrants and foreign affairs for the mexican state of guanajuato and he joins us tonight. thanks very much for joining us tonight. we think of mexico as an ally. i grew up right on the mexican border, i've always thought of mexico as an ally of the united states and i think the people are friendly. but the mexican government is clearly hostile to american interests. i want toti read quotes from a mexican government official. where bedding mexican-americans will think mexico first, even unto the seventh generation first. "going to keep 1 foot in mexico. they are not going to assimilate in the sense of not being mexican." and final quote. "we recognize that the mexican population is 100 million in mexico and 23 million who live in the united states." those quotes are from you and i wonder if a government takes that position that it's sending foreign nationals -- that's right. that's a hostile act. why are we sending money to a

country committing hostile acts against us? >> no it's not, my friend. no it's not. it's not a hostile act at all. >> tucker: what is it exactly? >> the united states and mexico are friends, they are partners. i had mentioned and i think that's a quote from about 15 years ago. >> tucker: has your position changed? >> i hope i haven't gotten too old either. >> tucker: we've been talking with us for about 15 years. >> the administration. if that's the problem, my friend. here we are, 15 years, maybe more, and the situation at the border, the migration and immigration system in the united states is still broken. i remember a dozen years ago, my friend, we were talking about how the united states, canada, and mexico should work together as three independent nations. i'm not pushing for open borders, but yes, we should work as a block. we have a good thing going.

commerce. $1 billion every day. every day.ll i'm sorry that some officials in the united states are now saying let's close the border. >> tucker: some officials in the united states. why isn't the mexican government stopping migrants from central america before they get to the united states? instead mexico is encouraging them to come here. that's not the behavior of an ally. if they are not welcome, they are not here legally, we have a process by which people can come here illegally, they are not going through that process.th that's an act of hostility. you can lie about all you want -- why are we paying you money? >> don't call me a liar, my friend. let's talk about these immigrants. number one, these are individuals coming, yes, from central america. these are good people. right nowgo about 20,000. these are families. 50% of them -- just a minute, my friend. the mexican nation has beenxi giving them visas. they can stay h up to a year in

the country of mexico, work in mexico. they are in a legal way, my friend. internationally the way to do it. they are asking for asylum in the united states. for decades, there's nothing wrong with them. >> tucker: it sounds a little racist to me by the standards that you haveit explained. >> ohno! don't call me racist, my friend. >> tucker: why not let them stay forever and vote in your elections? but remain guatemalans andfo hondurans under the seventh generation, as you said, about your own people about mexican citizens. it why not let them do that andm stay forever and they could may be a counselor like a third of your population after 100 years? why would that be that? why are you kicking them out after a year? >> these are individuals that are escaping hunger, that are escaping violence. 250 million people around the world that are migrating, looking for a better life. these individuals m have chosenv

these good people -- these are not bad people. asking united states for asylum. >> tucker: they are in mexico. you allow them over your border. a simple question. why are you kicking them out? they are good people who just wantut to work. why they taking advantage of that? >> mexico today. if you look at the last, i think it's six years, if you look at the numbers, mexico has now deported more people to central america within the united states has. the numbers have diminished and diminished and diminished. the next time we are on we will discussin it. the immigrants going to the united states have diminished -- there are less and less people going in. the united states needs about 300 or 400,000 people. less than 1%, my friend. >> tucker: mexico is a hostile power that is hoping to undermine our country. >> one less thing if you will

allow me. >> tucker: if it's true and very short. >> let me get one less thing in. very short. >> tucker: very quick, very true. >> being tested today both in the united states and mexico, how we are going to treat other human beings. in the state of guanajuato we are going to do the right thing. mexico doing the right thing and hope the united states, that i love so much, will also do the right thing. >> tucker: iov appreciated, thank you so much. >> thank you, my friend. >> tucker: democrats support illegal immigration, and they do support it, and it's obviousio that it's becoming more obvious with every passing day. now a presidential candidate on the presidential side, julian castro is calling for illegal immigration itself to be decriminalized. it don't believe us? watchze this. >> instead ofwa closing the wall or building a border we should choose compassion instead of cruelty. >> the feeling from this administration is that we are in a full-blown crisis and they are overwhelmed by it. >> i don't believe their narrative. i don't believe the b.s.

>> we should decriminalize people who are coming here, crossing theiz border. we need to increase the numberre of refugees that we take into this country, and if we are not careful, if we don't get this right, in 20 or 30 years, this nation is going to be begging for immigrants to come to this country. >> tucker: by the way, you are a racist if you don't agree with any of that. guy benson is an editor at townhall.com, hosts on fox news radio, we are happy to have him tonight. i don't think i've o ever say ad as clearly as mr. castro did. >> just in terms of the decriminalization of illegal entry to united states? it's in his plan. i've heard a few responses from people on the left when i pointed this out at town hall and on twitter. t some people say he sort of a third tier candidate, why do you necessarily care? where we putting so much attention on this proposal that he's put forward? he is running for president. he was a cabinet secretary in the previous administration and he is on the short-list i think for a lot of people potentially to be a vice president.

he is a serious player, i think. >> tucker: that's really the yeanswer?uc >> some people have challenged me on that, which i think is interesting. >> tucker: i'm a cable newss>> shows. you should be accountable for what you say, shouldn't you be? >> correct and i would be very curious to know how many of his fellow democrats running for president actually agree with him on some of these very significant ideas that he's bringing to the table. i think beto o'rourke has also at least entertained this notion of decriminalizing illegal entry into the united states. tucker, i think if you and i had a long discussion about immigration we would probably disagree a fair amount. i'm not a border hard-core hock. this is not my top issue, it really isn't. when i was reading, i think it was "the washington post" story, describing julian castro'sng policy proposal, i kept having to reread the paragraphs to make sure i was understanding it correctly. decriminalizing illegal entry, stop almost all detentions of illegal immigrants will get caught and arrive here as an element of enforcement, reassign ice and have other people carry

out enforcement, whatever that would look like, and cease, or halt, also construction of current or additional porta walls, the border wall they've been begging for. >> tucker: as you invite the world and, which is what you just described, an invitation to the world to come, would you provide them with guaranteed health care, housing subsidies, free public schools? >> i certainly would not. >> tucker: can you have a welfare state with open bordersw >> no, you can't. economically it doesn't work ou out. so i just looked at these point by point going down and i said even if i were open to some of these ideas, and many of them i'm not, why would he be introducing this now in the midst of this border crisis which even his fellow former obama administration official jeh johnson has said it is a real crisis.a they were on the same cabinet together under president obama, is he not willing to listen to jeh johnson on this point? he sat till mike set on the post quoted him that his premise is the border is more secure today

than it has been in decades and to me that just kind of feels like a fantasy world and so much of the problems that we are currently facing at the border arises from the incentives that are embedded into our current laws on immigration, on declaring yourself as someone who needs help, someone coming to this country as a refugee or what have you. if some of our incentives are out of whack and you look at the incentives that would be inherent in this proposal. it's basically a magnet saying please come, we are going to stop enforcing our laws. >> tucker: nobody makes an economic argument in favor of it. nif you cared about the country you would bother to explain how this improves the country, but they don't bother, they explain only america 's obligations and america's sin. if you treat your kids this way they would know that you hated them. >> this is the closest thing that i have seen to a policy that would be tantamount to a modern equivalent i guess of open borders. and i'm wondering if at some

point arguing proactively, affirmatively in favor of illegal immigration it, if that's the next draft. >> tucker: it appears to be, it's moving very fast, as you justg explain. thank you very much. the mueller investigation is over. he revealed, drumroll please, that russia collusion wasas a sm fromst day one. not everyone is paying attentio. to reality. many are in denial. some republicans are in denial too and that's why they are continuing their own russia investigation t in the united states senate. he may not have known that. if we didn't either. we were shocked and you will be too when you hear the details. ♪

>> tucker: the next two years democrats will control the house of representatives. there are a lot of problems that could be addressing in this country, the death of the middle class first among them, falling life expectancy, the opioid epidemic, smartphone addiction. the rise in china, obesity, pick anything. if political parties focus on the country's real problems, something is going right and we are grateful for that. if that's not what's happening now. today the house ways and means chairman richard neal formally asked the irsho to hand over the president tax returns. more than two years and, that is still the only obsession in the democratic party. the ruling anxiety. how do we undo the 2016 election? everything else, including you, is secondary. by the way, is itit aboutoo

president for politicians to decide they can pull your tax returns? the president of the united states, he should have given them voluntarily, but you want to allowth congress to pull your tax returns? probably not, actually. here's another update, in a predawn raid the morning of january 25th, 56 world roger stone, unbound in a house with no guns and it was dry from his house by a small army of nontoting, flash bang-carrying federal agents. if they are supposed to be a surprise, that's why they take place before dawn. somehow, and this was the mystery of the season, cnn was there ahead of time to cover the whole thing. >> exclusive footage you are looking at right now from cmm as the fbi arrived at roger stone's residence in fort lauderdale, florida, taking him into custody. they arrived before dawn there, just after 6:00 a.m. a dozen officers, we are told. >> fbi, opened the door.

>> tucker: so how did cnn know to be at roger stone's house before the raid took place before the k sun came up? that's just journalism, they told us. just a lucky guess, our instinct as she withue other reporters lot of time gathering information. we weren't tipped off by the mueller team orr anything. called it a reporter's instinct but stone himself was not certain of that and said so on this program at the s time. >> it's disconcerting that cnn was aware that i would be arrested beforeer my lawyers wee informed. that's disturbing. if it was a dangerous situation, which would merit the s.w.a.t. team, then cnn's cameramen would be in danger. i don't know why they would be allowed to be there. >> tucker: so what's the truth about what happened? you're not going to find it from cnn, obviously. if youne find it from the fbi. but the fbi won't say. if the bureau recently refused a records request from the federalist for any emails sent

to cnn on the day of his arrest. this of the request was "overly broad" and used "vague, undefined terms," which it did not. they also refuse the freedom of information request for email sent to or from dress campbell, the cnn analyst who once worked for the fbi. robert mueller, by the way., once again they said it was too vague one of course there's nothing vague about that. it's very precise. in addition to the questions we've already asked, here's another one, why is the fbi so zealously protecting jeff zucker? by the way, it's not just the fbi. a similar lindsey graham, we must say his office asked the fbi whether anybody tipped off cnn in advance. we asked his office what did you hear mikesell for the office hak refused to tell us the response they got. but we are going to keep on it and so we find out because it's worth knowing. meanwhile, in washington it's like the mueller investigation never happened at all. the senate intelligence committee, chaired by senator richard burr of north carolina is continuing the russia investigation.

they just sent a subpoena to form ast trump advisor sam lundberg. they ordered him to turn over all of his communications with roger stone. we asked his office to explain why are you continuing the russia investigation but they didn't respond. not a democrat, though he's doing their work for them. he's a republican. sam joins us tonight with an update on the story. thanks for coming on. it's shocking i think to most of us who thought the core of the story, the question of russian collusion was settled by the most elaborate investigation in my lifetime, that the republican chairman of a senate committee would be issuing a subpoena to you about your contact with roger stone, as if anyone could care or would have reason to care. it was the purpose of this? >> ira met with the senate committee in january. i turned over some documents that were in their requests for me. the documents i turned over around 50 or 60 or so, i turned over less than nadler and suddenly i then got a request that they want to review all

these documents that i've had with communications with. roger, but without our answer, just like you said, from mueller because even one roger was indicted, it's all process crimes, obstruction of justice, witness tampering. at nothing to do with conspiracy to defraud america connected to the russians. so if mueller's team knows for a fact that roger never coordinated or colluded with the russians were anybody associated with the russians, i don't see what the senate would need these emails for. >> tucker: have you been charged for a crime? >> no. never. >> tucker: did you collude with russia anyway? >> no. >> tucker: roger stone has not been charged with that. >> i'm sure that was an internal debate because i was in there with the mueller team for hours and the people that mueller selected such as jeanmarie, who would have been conflicted out of representative donald trump civilly because she had represented hillary clinton, i am surere was pushing to get tht conspiracy against -- >> tucker: why with a senator, republican, the chairmanns of ts committee, be doing this? >> that's a really good question. the vice chairman, the ranking senator on the democrat side,

warnerer had said last year that he thought this d investigation would be wrapped up by october of 2018 and then he had to resendct that when he got pushed back the democrats. and when you look at him, he's already said we don't see any collusion. he said that publicly. i'm really wondering if either in their defense they just want to get all of these documents, review them to give a clean bill of health, say they went through everything because they are probably dealing with the democrats on the other side who just want to investigate everything and russia, or at something with roger. i find it that they selectively picked roger to throw that indictment at at the end. just gratuitous. >> tucker: for the record, yout are allowed to have conversations with roger stone and not be pulled up before a senate committee. if you don't have to explain yourself. >> and the idea that the senate -- what have they ever done really to help donald trump? he's getting victories on his own. >> tucker: how about the country? there's a whole country. 320 million people here waiting

for help and they are subpoena during your conversation. the senator is always welcome in the show. maybe there's an answer we haven't thought of. his welcome show any time we hope you will come. george washington university mascot may soon be abolished. you can imagine why. guess, three guesses. whites of pharmacy. is it a symbol of that? what's the truth? brian kilmeade joins us after the break. >> i think there's more show that students on the capital feel comfortable with it so that it doesn't really matter what other students think if it makes themam comfortable. >> i think the word colonial evokes an image of white men coming to take people's land. ♪ om

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>> tucker: lori laughlin and felicity huffman, both actresses from los angeles, may the first appearances in court today joined by several other parents, all of whom have been accused of paying bribes and engaging other fraud, sometimes elaborate fraud, to help get their kids into good colleges as well as usc. the actresses did not enter a plea. peter has become the first parent who plans to plead guilty in the scandal. he allegedly played 15 great to have his daughter's act score fraudulently improved. we will continue to follow the story because it matters. there are a lot of people in this country, people who think they're better than you, aren't even trying to play by the rules. these ones are simply unlucky enough to be caught, as you kno know. for almost 100 years, the george washington university sports teams have competed under the name the colonials, as in colonial america. you might think that's a pretty unacceptable name but if you do

you think joe biden's hugs aren't sexual assault. students do better. they have voted to change the colonials nickname.vo in a recent video kids told campus reforms that name is deeply hurtful. >> i think it's more so that there are students on this campus who don't feel comfortable with it so that it doesn't really matter what other students think if it makes them uncomfortable. >> colonial is kind of a touchy word. >> i did sign the petition. i do understand that it is offensive. >> i think the world colonial of white menge coming to take people's land. >> the whole colonial thing is a little white supremacist-y. >> tucker: when you use the word like in between every other word and use a y at the end of nouns, you're probably a college student. brian kilmeade is not a college kid. fox & friends house. i also host the new fox nation series what weight america great and of course see him filling in on the show, part of that. if the great brian kilmeade joins us today. brian kilmeade, do you feel the name colonial doesn't come

alike, make you feel uncomfortable, like, a little bit? >> well you know, like -- of course not. it's unbelievable that you chose george washington university. by the way, they don't make you go to george washington university. you have to get in, which is tough and then you have to have to pay tuition i think between 75 and $80,000ay a year and once the students got there they realized how offended they were that they were there at a school named after our founding fathers that did the unthinkable, put a band of colonists, who lived inl colonies together and took out the world's superpowers in just under seven years because we had the tenacity to fight for freedom in this thing called liberty. that's a thing of pride and no one said washington was perfect. if no one's of the colonists were perfect, but man, they were great and what they did change the world history and what they are, doing, the students naively are doing, is trying to change a figure that's called a mascot that looks likean

george washington and make them go away and the two names they are thinking about, what should phil do with pride are hippos or river horses. hippos or river horses. do you sing "the star-spangled banner" and think of hippos -- >> tucker: it's just so stupid. >> pride in knowing i went to george university. >> tucker: i would like to ask is on the campus, how the portuguese colonists in brazil? however the spanish colonist all throughout latin america? we have the best colonists in the world, just as a factual matter but is there not a single adult on the campus who can say it's the colonists, please, ssettle down. talk about something real. is there no one there who can sayea that? >> on top of that, people are looking at george washington, studying his background and saying i'm offended. they are looking at the colonists with their frailties, no one ever defends slavery but i can't go back to the 1700s. they were born into these institutions. they didn't invent them.

today there were protests and votes about taking a statue of jefferson for the second straight year because he had. well, jefferson was born into that culture. he also gave us freedom of the declaration of independence and dare i say none of us wouldhe be here, only fox would be here at this situation and their current situation experiencing american culture without jefferson and without washington. we put up statues and we commemorate not because they are perfect, but because they did extraordinary things in their time. study, don't b judge. >> tucker: especially compared to everyone else. right? compared to what? how can you be against the mascot name, the colonists and still call your college george washington university. is it just a matter of time before they change the name? >> absolutely unless someone sobers up, someone in a leadership position stands up. got criticizedon for it, but

donald trump came out, president trump came out and said jefferson and washington next? they are going to try to take them off the money. they're going to try to keep this up because we are evaluating history with the wrong lens. it is the people in the past aren't as great as us and tot give you the best example. in 2008, barack obama says i believe marriage is between a man and a woman. was he a horrible person? because by 2012 if you said that you were bigoted. that's how people evolve and change. our society is not perfect but we realize it, we try to get better.fe it wasn't right for women not to vote until 1919? of course not. we got better, we solved that, we improved. that's what makes america great. we evaluate our problems and move on and commemorate the great people that make it happen. washington and jefferson not perfect, but great, and who are we in this generation to judge them through our lens? missing the point of history.is >> tucker: a nation of very judge her children. for sure. great to see you, thank you for

that. >> i look forward to seeing you in person one day, tucker. >> tucker: [laughs] speaking of judge you children, alexandria ocasio-cortez is facing the claims she colluded with hersp chief of staff to h violate campaign finance law. details are met after the break. ♪ oh, wow. you two are going to have such a great trip. thanks to you, we will. this is why voya helps reach today's goals... ...all while helping you to and through retirement. can you help with these? we're more of the plan, invest and protect kind of help... voya. helping you to and through retirement.

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famous 29-year-old, congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez is facing new allegations to make the chief violated campaign finance law. according to a newly filed fec complaint, the congresswoman enter chief of staff operated an illegal subsidy scheme. the complaint says this allowed her to raise more money than she would have been allowed to legally. francis is a fox business anchor, cohost of outnumbered, a frequent guest on the show in a very good at detail so we've asked her to come on tonight and explain what this complaint say says. >> i read the complaint and the laway it reads, it's actually a very clever scheme. it looks like they set up a company and you could be sort of a venture investor in this company and they said it was going to be like the uber of political campaign so anyone could kind of start their campaign and you could get political services for way below market price. the problem is the company went out of business it seems from the complaint, that's how it reads. this is all alleged, the company

basically spent most of its money on her campaign. the investors, investors, never got anything back. they just helped her campaign. so if you think about that in the worst light, it sounds like if you were a finance smart money guide, which are chief of staff we saw in that photo, is a tech multimillionaire. i'm sure you're chief of staff is also super wealthy but i don't know house, thatt is. anyway, he's good with money and he set up this company. it is it illegal? who knows. as i've said before, people who write the laws, the people who write the laws t are these crood politicians. they are the ones who write the laws. i don't know if it's illegal. if the complaint was brought by a conservative group, and that's her defense, she says this is the right attacking her. we will see how the investigation goes but i think the main point is that she was supposed to be about getting money out of politics and about

transparency, where is the money coming from? and what we are seeing is more trand more evidence that she's t all kinds of money that helped her get elected and it was very murky and shaky. there was nothing transparent about it. >> tucker: everything is t irony. that's what i'm starting to suspect very >> and hypocrisy. hypocrisy just abounding everywhere. it definitely keep an eye on this one. your number last time she set up a limited liability company so you couldn't look at how the money was being spent. we want to be fair. it let's see how these investigations turn out. but they seem to come at the least, be that dark money that she talks about being able and getting rid of the dark money and less it's, i guess, helping her campaign. >> tucker: the socialist sets of the llc. they are everywhere. melissa francis, you are not one of them. great to see you tonight. >> thank you. >> tucker: melissa is on final exam tomorrow night. >> i'm studying now. >> tucker: good. it's a tough one.

thank you. over the past couple of decades, really one of the biggest stories, and we don't recognize this enough in this country, is bithe dramatic decline in crime. it's made everybody's life better. people are safer. cities that were completely devastated going back to the riots of 1968 became really trolls. new york city, but many others. it's progress, but it's now atit risk. the first criminal to go through but certainly isn't the most dangerous. a new wave of far left prosecutors, many funded by george soros, are rolling back criminal enforcement in cities across the country. that's not an overstatement. it's happening in a lot of different places. and rafael's deputy director of legal policy at manhattan institute and follows this for k living. he joins us tonight for an update. thanks very much for coming on. >> thanks so much for having me. >> tucker: so this is a trend. it's not just isolated examples, d.a. and san francisco and philadelphia, boston, new york,

this is happening nationwide. >> it is. some of the biggest jurisdictions in the country. it means a big chunk of the american public are nowe sort of living in places that are controlled by these left-wing prosecutors, we have elections throughout this country for all sorts of offices. it is not unusual that a democrat wins. that's not the problem. the problem here is that this new wave of prosecutors really sees themselves as kind of criminal justice reformers first and law enforcement officers second and that's where i thinks the problem lies, because the danger is that they all subscribe to this notion that the criminal justice system in the united states -- it's not that it needs sort of adjustments at the margin. not that it needs incremental reform. it is entirely corrupt. it is irredeemably racist. it is overly draconian and sost they are operating from thats presumption in one of the things that they are pursuing kind of full steam ahead is large-scale deincarceration and that is a scary thing. >> tucker: they were helped by the congress.

there are many people who shouln be let out of prison. i don't believe in being overly punitive. but over large populations if you start letting a b lot of people convicted of serious crimes out of prison, what happens? >> crime goes up. in crimeut goes up a lot of crie is committed by the people getting out of prison pursuant to our current policies. so the question is, are we going to be able to let out large swaths of people without a negative impact, right? at the current rate, the vast majority of our prison population is housed in state facilities. 83% of people who are releasedat from state facilities go on to reoffend at least ones. that's an incredible number. less than 20% are successfully sort of reentering society. peoplen say we should be rehabilitating -- we should. we should absolutely be trying to find the best way that we knowow how. >> tucker: it's hard to know how. >> it is hard to know how and the programs that have shown success, and there have been some, they are hard to scale so i think it's a bit of a dangerous move from one we have a large number of prosecutors

now sort of operating in the presumption that we need to -- >> tucker: it seems totally reckless and if you cared about normal people you would pause and ask what happened to the primary. n are we seeing measurable increases in crime? >> we are starting to see them in different parts of the country. chicago is at significantly elevated crime rates since 2016 even though it's been a high area of crime for a long time compared to what it's been a 2011 at 2014, louisville has probably seen some of its highest crime rates in history. baltimore is seeing one of the highest murder rates in history and even a brooklyn set a, gonzalez, one of the poster child here. brooklyn north has seen almost a 68% increase i think in murders. a short period of time, so the numbers are low and they are likely to fluctuate a lot but it's not encouraging and you hit the nail right on the head when you said it's really regular people who are going to bear the brunt of this. the crime tends to be concentrated in low income inner-city neighborhoods that are largely minority and these are the people that these prosecutors say they are sort of

representing in this. >> tucker: it's all on their behalf that they are doing this. >> exactly. the unfortunate reality is they are going to bear the brunt of the cost of these policies to the extent that they play out i think they will pretty >> tucker: very quick, ten seconds left, crime dropped off a cliff in new york city heavily in part because of policies put in by politicians and the police department at the nypd. doespo anybody still believe in those policies? why are we abandoning them? >> i think so. w the unfortunate thing is that the political class in cities like new york and l.a. and chicago have bought into this mass incarceration thing and the idea that our criminal justice system is irredeemably corrupt. it's pure they are corrupt and decadent i would say. i thank you very much. that was interesting and sad. we are out of time. but the good news is we will be back tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m. as regularly scheduled, the show that is always and will forever be the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness and especially groupthink. we encourage you to dvr the program if you are able to figure thatit out.

if you can, congratulations. good night from new york city tonight. we are here. sean hannity is right upstairs. >> you don't have it come by and say hello. it regularly scheduled. this isn't a surprise when i come on at 9:00 right after you. >> tucker: regularly scheduled scheduled. >> sean: i am one of the original on the air people here. i've been watching you many years.u i'm getting -- that's all it means. great show. good to see it. >> tucker: thanks. >> sean: welcome to "hannity." ♪ >> sean: great show and good to see you. busy news and welcome to "hannity." we have full coverage. we are on the ground at the crisis of the southern border. lauren is standing by. the custom border patrol agent will also join us from the rio grande valley. we began our ongoing watch on joe not only having a bad week, but a bad day every day. wait to hear what we get to. it