white socks all day. jedediah: oh, yeah. pete: you're a lover not a fighter. jedediah: i'm a fan. pete: stick around we have a great show tomorrow morning for fox & friends we'll see you then . >> say it ain't so, joe, former vice president joe biden facing backlash after turning touching allegations into a joke. >> i just want you to know, i had permission to hug lonnie. >> [laughter] >> others say he just took his primary chances down we're on it and president donald trump making a renewed push for border security at a renewed section of the wall but is the wall of opposition from democrats going to win out? we've got you covered from all sides on the border and first the mueller report now house democrats are demanding the release of trump's tax returns, but to voters, want to return to something else like their

business. polster will tell us, cavuto live starts right now. david: well critics say former vice president joe biden botched it and now president donald trump is getting in on it, are we already seeing makings of the 2020 race? good morning everybody i'm david asman in for neil cavuto let's turn to our political panel for answers they have noel, a democrat strategist, and fox news contributor, cat, let me start with you. i'm wondering, everybody saying, you know, joe biden is a season ed political operator, he knows how to deal with people, but i'm wondering if he has the patience and the stamina to deal with somebody like donald trump. what do you think? >> right well he is a seasoned operator for sure, he has the experience, but at the same time he has a lot of experience with things coming out of his mouth that maybe afterwards he wishes didn't necessarily come out of

his mouth, and i don't know if he can all agree on anything but we can probably agree that that would be something that donald trump would probably pounce on, right? i think that it would be very interesting race because as we're talking about on the break they have threatened to beat each other up before, so i don't know if instead of a debate they can just do an mma-style thing let the two 70-somethings go at it who knows so much has happened already. david: and noel nobody knows how to get under your skin like donald trump. he finds the weakness and then comes up with a nasty nickname for it or he finds some way of baiting that weakness and in the case of joe biden, again, as seasoned as he is, some people say he's still a little thin skin when it comes to personal attacks. >> not only is he thin skinned but, you know, he has a quick temper, just like trump, and i agree with kat. i think that these two guys would put on quite a show, you know, from both parties i think

that joe was not going to take anything. he's not going to take anything from trump, trump for sure has proven he's not going to take anything from anyone, especially joe biden. david: i saw him going know when i said thin skin but let me just show a little bit of what happened yesterday, when joe biden tried to make light of these problems that he's had with women and touching take a look. >> i just want you to know, i had permission to hug lonnie. >> [laughter] >> [applause] >> i don't know, man. >> by the way he gave me permission to touch him. >> [laughter] david: was that smart? >> i don't know look the worse thing joe biden can do is get away from himself, and he has apologized and acknowledged the fact that he made a mistake and he needs to make adjustments going forward i don't know what else people want him to do and for the people criticizing him

those people find something to criticize him for something else right? david: but some democrats have already criticized him for what happened yesterday, and for example, this is a big mistake. >> i'm not minimizing the fact that he did that. david: understood but did he make a mistake yesterday? >> i don't think so. he did what he felt was like in the moment, he apologized but let me say this. david: sure. >> the fact that you have people jumping on this train trying to criticize joe biden he wasn't accused of sexual assault unlike the man who occupies the white house. 23 women accused the president of sexual assault and he joked about it and so we have to be able to have a distinction between the two. >> i do agree with what you said about joe biden and having this a little light hearted. it's all out there, he's already done an apology on it and i think making light of it kind of breaks the ice a little bit. it's a very serious subject, and i think that by joe biden coming out, i don't think that that hurt for him to do that.

david: okay, trump's problems with women if you have biden run it's a lot tougher for democrats to focus on trump's relationship with women. >> i don't think so. i agree that sexual assault and hugging too long are very different things i think that everybody can agree on that but i still think that trump still isn't afraid to hit him on it regardless of the fact he's faced his own accusations when he was campaigning so i thought that was an interesting move but deputies made it really tough because they set the standard really really really high when it comes to this like where it's not just a long hug people talk about it like it is on par with something like sexual assault which i personally find to be are dick ridiculous but that's the standard that many people in your party have said. >> let me say this, i was taught as a retail politician. >> they urge people. >> so when you go into a barber shop because of retail politics, when you go into a hair salon you hug the women and now days, retail politics has evolved to take a selfie so what happens

now if i want to take a selfie with noel and i do this, you have to ask permission. david: but you have to admit it would be easier for democrats to hit trump on the women issue, if there was a woman running as the nominee. rather than biden. >> well i don't agree. i don't agree but i want to make one point, because i think it's important. when it comes to experience, trump wants to have a personality battle and biden is one of very few in our party running for the nomination who can have a policy. david: well let's talk about policy and the problem that biden or any democrat would have is the economy. the economy right now is still going, we have the lowest unemployment numbers in history. >> and you're right when the numbers came out yesterday, you have to look at that and what is going to be the argument? i think that that is why a lot of the democrats are having to find some catch phrases like free college, or redoing the electoral system you've got to

find something because the numbers you can't go away from the numbers. you may not like trump you may not like the personality but the numbers you can't getaway from. david: old hold on a second i want kat on this because for the first time in my lifetime, i'm not a very young guy but for the first time in my life you still have more jobs than you have people looking for jobs that's one of the reasons all of these immigrants are coming here because we have all of these jobs so how do democrats argue that the economy is bad enough that it would require a socialistic solution for some of these problems? >> it's interesting because a lot of people know matter how well things are going they might want more things they might want free college which i think is ridiculous because once college becomes free you'll need a masters after that it'll be just like high school but i think that that is something tough for the democrats that the economy is doing so well so they do try to talk about other things like they focus on climate change, focus on healthcare, they focus on trump is such a jerk, because they can't argue with the number

s. >> let's talk about numbers right? for a couple things, the republicans want to make this argument about the economy in the mid-terms and healthcare is one issue make no mistake healthcare will still be at the top of the charts and minds of voters. >> republicans screwed that up. >> the second point, listen to this, the second point is while the economy is doing well for some it's not doing well for all and you can't neglect the factor ignore the fact that people are working two and three jobs, forget about trying to make ends meet they're putting two ends together hoping they meet and mothers working over time. david: quick last word on healthcare. >> i think one of the smartest things joe biden can do running for office is saying he would keep the economy intact and focus on other issues like healthcare et cetera. david: ellison barber has been standing by and he has a report for us on the latest on joe biden. go ahead. reporter: hi david yeah former vice president joe biden seems to be inching closer to announcing a presidential run he told reporters yesterday he is very close to making a decision and is putting everything

together, he also angered some by seeming to down play and make light of allegations he's behav ed inappropriately towards some women, and in his first public speech since the allegations surfaced biden addressed a roomful of union workers and twice, he joked that he had permission to hug and touch others on stage, the first woman to come forward and say that biden's behaved in a way that made her uncomfortable, criticized the former vp saying that to make light of something as serious as consent degrades the conversation, women everywhere are courageously trying to have. biden did not directly apologize not seven women who have come forward who said they felt uncomfortable during interaction s with him but he said he feels badly if he made anyone uncomfortable. >> the fact of the matter is i made it clear, that if i made anyone feel uncomfortable i feel badly about that. that was never my intention, ever, ever, ever. reporter: this week, president trump mocked biden and the

controversy now surrounding him and he also does not see biden as a threat come 2020 and for mr. biden on that, the feeling seems to be mutual. president trump: i just don't see him as a threat. he's been there a long time, his records not good, he would have to run on the obama-failed record. >> everybody knows who donald trump is, so i don't have to say anything more i don't think. reporter: when it comes to the allegations of inappropriate behavior and touching critics say that the president is not in a position to point fingers or taunt because he has been accused of more serious sexual misconduct and the president has denied those allegations against him. david? david: ellison thank you very much, well president trump taking new measures to curb illegal immigration. will his threat hit mexico where it really hurts? i used to book my hotel room on those travel sites but there was

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egel is near the border in el paso, texas. >> hey david good to see you yeah in fact the president has said that we would be putting tariffs on automobiles up to 25% if mexico did not comply in terms of helping stem the flow of drugs and illegal activity smuggling into the united states , but i've got to say even though talk of closing the border altogether has kind of been tabled for now, a lot of people down here are still quite nervous and it is anything but business but usual, i want you to take a look back here behind me. this is the bridge of the americas, it's one of the busiest crossings in the region, normally it's open 365, 24/7 but today, the cargo lane is completely shut down, customs and border protection say diver0 officers to help out in other places. over in brownsville situated in

the rio grande valley of texas no closures but similar scenes and stories at crossings there. 18 wheelers full of imported goods, sitting for hours, and analysts warn if it continues, the domino effect could be far reaching. listen. >> you've got auto equipment, so you've got plants throughout the midwest, throughout the country that are waiting for these particular parts to do continue the manufacturing of their automobiles. you've got electrical components for manufacturing plants that are required in order to do whatever it is they're building. you've got agricultural products , food stuff, food that has to be preserved that is refrigerated and any delays in that obviously effects the produce, effects the freshness, it effects the prices the commodities. >> now mexico is the third largest trading partner with the united states. it's also the largest supplier of agriculture products like fruits and vegetables, so this talk of a possible border

closure had a lot of people on edge down here and they continued to be on edge. the cargo lane here in el paso that is temporarily shut down on this saturday typically we're told processes up to 450 trucks a day again a lot of those holding goods that are being imported into the united states so with this it's now a stand still, david, you can see this potential ripple effect that we're talking about, across the country, even though the border has not been closed and president trump now giving mexico a year to get its act together if you will and help the united states. david: and speaking very positively about what mexico has been doing recently casey thank you very much. well president trump of course inspecting the border wall on friday, is he on the right course? joining me now is national border patrol council president brandon jud. brandon good to see you thanks

for being here let's talk about closing the border, you know the border extraordinarily well having covered it for quite a while. would it be possible to somehow keep commerce open while closing the border off formation for immigration? >> it's going to be difficult to do that you're but also seeie effect that the 750 customs officers to border patrol operations you're seeing effects that's having on illegal immigration is already going down, mexico is doing more of their part to control the illegal immigration, and so there's always a cause and effect so you have to ask is trade more important or is border security more important because both agents both border patrol and customs are under staffed. i mean when i put on a uniform and i go out and patrol the border i have very few agents next to me and it's very

difficult to patrol that border because of how under staffed we are. david: brandon ingram was surprised about how positive the president was speaking with mexico we h turned him around wt the tough talk of the president? >> it was, when you look at the rhetoric and start talking about economic sanctions that's going to directly impact the mexican economy so they're going to have to make a choice. do you help the united states with the issues directly facing them or do you face the possible economic stations, mexico did the right thing, they are in fact enforcing their immigration laws on their southern border which then has a direct impact on boron our southern border. david: you know there's been another pivot and that's within the united states the democrat party at first of course they said there was no problem. there was no crisis as recently as two weeks ago, beto o'rourke was at the border saying literally there is no problem

here. now, they have they can't deny there is a crisis because you have people like jeh johnson who is dhs secretary under president obama and other democrats coming out saying absolutely, there is a crisis at the border. what do you think of their pivot >> so they had to make this pivot. they've got two major problems on their hands right now going into 2020. the economy is doing extremely well and immigration is extreme ly poor so they have to acknowledge that otherwise they're going to get hit at the polls in 2020. when you look at this acknowledgment, you've got to understand i've been a border patrol agent for 21 years. i was in the middle of the last crisis that we had which was in the mid-2000s and this crisis that we're facing right now is much worse than that original crisis in the mid-2000s so they're having to acknowledge this otherwise they get hurt at the polls. david: but while they're acknowledging it they're putting the blame for it on president

trump since they had to make that pivot they realize they could try to make political way of it but i'm just wondering because the cause of the crisis, clearly president trump says that it's these laws that have been happening, there's no barrier at the border but there are also these laws like the asylum laws, once you get your feet on the ground and u.s. soil you've got a free ride but there's no idea from the democrats in terms of how to solomon this and if they are presented with a law to change asylum laws, clearly, it'll be voted down in the house, right? >> no absolutely and that's the issue is they're acknowledging the crisis but they are trying to say they want to handle the crisis but opening the borders up. the american public has said over and over and over again that they want border security and if you look at the policies and the implementations that the trump adminitration is currently doing the migrant protect mexic,

the potential that border patrol agents will be trained as asylum officers to kickoff that process much quicker in order to be able to deport people faster, you look at this, the trump adminitration is coming up with solutions and frankly, they're saying congress, if you're not going to be a help i'm going to cut you out, get out of the way, i'm going to do what i need to do. david: well it's fine on the border security, we can get money through the emergency measure but when it comes to asylum laws you need to help with democrats to get it past and i assume we only have 10 seconds but i assume as a border patrol agent you think those asylum laws need to be changed, quickly. >> oh, they have to be changed, if we don't change those laws we're going to continue to have problems. david: brandon judd, great to see you sir thank you for being here appreciate it. well democrats are firing up more investigations into president trump is that really what has voters fired up? what we're finding out that's coming next. when you trade? i want free access to research. yep, td ameritrade's got that.

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>> the u.s. tax code section 6103 remember those numbers provides congress the legal authority to get the tax return. show us the mueller report, show us the tax returns, and we're not walking away just because you say no the first time around while his taxes continue to be under audit, he doesn't anticipate that changing at any point any time soon, and therefore, doesn't have any intention to release those returns. david: but nevertheless as you heard democrats vowing to continue investigations into president trump, but is that

really what voters want? gop polster joining us so post- mueller, frank, do americans want any more of these investigations? >> so i've done a couple sessions with voters since the mueller report was released and there's one word to summarize all of this and that word is " enough." enough of these investigations, enough of these subpoenas. people believe that the mueller report was extensive. they believe it was comprehensive. they know that a lot of money was spent and they're not necessarily sure it was spent the right way or a helpful way, and they simply want it to stop. the thing that we try to measure as polsters is what is your priority? they want prescription drug prices brought down, they want healthcare and preexisting conditions dealt with, they want energy independence, so they don't have to buy oil from companies that do us damage. they want real quality of life changes, and this is the last thing that they're looking for in a list of 10 priorities, it comes in number 10 so go ahead democrats. do this and then you'll wonder

why if polling numbers drop and why you're not successful. david: and democrats are familiar with polls as well, they presumably will eventually get the message but how long is it going to take them? i mean you have adam schiff still going on about how he saw evidence of collusion that apparently robert mueller with 70 fbi agents missed, you have nancy pelosi saying remember that number, 6103. you know i don't think most americans care about 6103 frankly. >> but don't forget that it gives these people publicity and the tragedy is that they're -- david: maybe the wrong kind, forgive me. >> on an individual basis? they're becoming famous, other democrats are getting to know them, some of them are using this to run for president. they're running and doing these things on the back of actually getting something done. i have a simple question to ask, and this is very frustrating because i believe the investigation was the right thing to do, but its been done. what have you accomplished?

speaker pelosi, democrats in congress, what have you accomplished in the first 100 days? the public can't see it and that's the reason why congress still has abysmal approval ratings. david: as we were just talking before we have an immigration crisis on the border even democrats now have to admit that it is a crisis, particularly after jeh johnson and other members of the obama administration came out and said absolutely it's a crisis so they admit it's a crisis but they're not moving on legislation whether it's the asylum law or whatever, to change that. i think that's got to come back to bite him in 2020, no? >> well they will have to answer to the public. what did you do? you were successful, you won the majority. what have you accomplished? when you go back and look at the first 100 days when republicans captured the house and the democrats, it was so busy with policy, legislation, things that really mattered to people. here, it's just about investigations and i will tell you, the public is fed up. david: well on the republican

side, they're pushing for investigations looking into what caused the fbi and the doj to drop everything and focus on the phony collusion charge, most of which came out of this trump dossier and other work that was clearly political in nature, maybe even influenced by russian intel, so should the republicans because there is this public exhaustion with investigations should republicans just give that one up or should they continue to pursue that? >> both sides. this is a message for republican s but primarily democrats but for republicans as well. focus on fixing healthcare. focus on securing the border. focus on improving quality of life and stop with these partisan political investigation s, because the public has had enough of it. david: well the senate as you know there are two big senators, lindsey graham and mr. grassley who have come out and said that there need to be investigations because what happened in the

trump collusion story was so egregious in so many ways that we have to investigate to stop it from happening in the future but you would advice him to table that for the immediate future at least up until 2020? >> i understand the victims of this. i understand how the president and the administration feel. i understand and i appreciate their desire to prevent this from happening again, but you ask me a polling question, a public opinion question, and the american people want that border secured, they want to stop illegal immigration from flooding across. they want lower prescription drug prices. they want health care. they want everything but these subpoenas they want everything but. this ridiculous culture, in washington, they would be wise to listen to the american people david: very quickly, frank, on the issue of socialism you saw biden call it out by name yesterday. i'm wondering if the american people do react viscerally to socialism in a negative way. what do you think?

>> i think that the american people are all about freedom, not socialism and i think aoc and some of her colleagues some of the presidential candidates do not understand that the american people do not want venezuela here, they do not compare us to the scandanavian countries they want freedom, freedom to work where they want, freedom to make the money they want and they don't want washington taking it. if this is a debate about control versus freedom, freedom is going to win every time. david: frank great to see you thank you he's right in vegas going to see the president later this afternoon. good to see you frank. >> along with 500 other people, so i don't know -- david: i don't know how you'll fit them into the one casino quite a crowd thank you for being here appreciate it have fun today. >> thank you. david: meanwhile it's not just democrats and republicans there is an independent out there, howard schultz says he will not be a spoiler though. democrats socialistic platform is going to be the spoiler is he right? safe drivers shouldnt have to pay

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democratic party but this is an independent. howard schultz he hasn't announced yet but he was in a fox news town hall this week telling democrat candidates the socialistic platform isn't going to win against president trump in 2020 but about to hold a live now in concord, new hampshire says he doesn't think americans care about the socialistic label so who has it right joining me now is fox business network susan li, max funds.com founder, jonas max ferris, and john layfield. susan first of all if he thinks americans don't act against socialism we have a fox news poll by 2:1, americans react negatively to socialism as opposed to capitalism. >> well he has said before that maybe americans are confused between socialism and communism, but you know he also said he's a capital it's that wants rules around capitalism so i think he's a bit confused on his rules

enjoying the middle line as well because i feel like the other socialists they understand that americans are built on innovation, on entrepreneurship, but then they have all these socialistic policies like medicare for all, getting one to $15 an hour and free healthcare, free tuition. david: and the green new deal a $94 trillion, it would triple the federal budget just to pay for this thing. clearly, that is a socialistic plan, and americans don't like it. >> it doesn't make any sense, this doesn't economically also socialism in the united states only 18% of people believe in socialism so you have 82% of the country against this so when you say call something socialism people are against it. i like this mayor. i'm not going to vote for him i don't like this policies but you at least got somebody not boring most of these democrats are just boring nobody inspires people and but if they run on a socialistic labor i don't think they have any chance. david: but jonas you don't even have to go that far this was in

february a fox news poll the message you would send to government and leave me alone ranks much higher than lend me a hand so it's not just socialism, it appears that americans want to be left alone. >> they do but i think these politicians are rebranding socialism. i really don't think especially the younger audience really knows what they are talking about and i don't think some of the politicians know what they are talking about. it's very likable and that's why you can do that rebranding but people aren't thinking even with the green new deal which is like the far out thing never going to happen they aren't tacking about like the government seizing all the factories like that's socialism. they're talking about getting free stuff, by taxing rich people that's how they are defining socialism today and that could evolve by the next election people might have a more positive view because it's not the real definition of socialism it's a made up definition. david: again, it's a long-haul the green new deal or even medicare for all from pulling

back leaving me alone. the government isn't going to leave you alone. the government gets more involved i'm wondering if howard schultz is that middle ground americans are looking for. >> but do americans want the middle ground that's what i'm confused by at this point. like starbucks, however think howard schultz was a great town about the billions that have been reeped by companies like hall on fox news this week and he was asked about taxes and starbucks as well so he's says we should be paying more benefited but then he's also taxes, the wealthy should maybe campaigning against it as well. 39% is the right amount, david: john it's true that we corporations should be paying have had this extraordinarily more than 21% i'm not sure i positive effect in the economy, agree with that since it was so saw the job figures yesterday were very impressive again, we had a stinker of the month before that that was kind of an outlier but it's clearly because of the tax reform right and the deregulation policies of the trump adminitration they've made it easier and cheaper to do business. when you make it easier and cheaper to do business you'll have more business and more jobs >> absolutely i'm not a fan of the trade war and the terrorists but what the president has done with the cutting of regulations and taxes has spurred the economy. we had eight years of about 2 million job growth so we're exceeding that extended because

of these two things so we're see ing that reversion to the mean and you did have february as an outlier that's why i think that if you say do you want to tax the rich, wealthy more a lot of people will say probably we can but if you say well socialism the momentum is going to prevent these guys from getting things done. david: but jonas to go right back to what was causing our problems & companies to runaway from the united states and setup operations in ireland, to come right back and say we're going to raise them again frankly if i was u.s. corporation i'd leave and get out of here for good if somebody like that became president. >> there's never been a socialistic revolution from 3.8% unemployment. that's never happened before. it's always like there's got to be a story to sell the story that we're going to take it over and do better. no one wants anything to be changed radically when things are pretty good for most people. >> well the reality of this week said there could be a revolution because there's such a big income divide, that he could see, that's the term he used he said revolution.

that's a terrific point and the wealth and equality but its never been changed by policy always been changed by fall of government by plague or something that's happened in a systemic problem so never changed by policy but the wealthy inequality is probably the biggest in the globe's history. david: honestly, john, i think that it's a phony argument, because if somebody is out there with $100 billion and i'm doing better, a lot better you look at the wage growth for example, that came out in the jobs report americans are doing better. they have more goods if you want to measure how people are doing by their consumption, rather than by this wage inequality if you put it, americans are doing better so what do i care if there's somebody out there with $1 billion if i'm doing personal ly a lot better otherwise it's just greed and envy. >> i'm "yon side here. >> you got the wrong guy. >> [laughter] >> i agree with you but when you talk about so much wealth

look around the 1900s and what china has gone through in times there is tends to be a revolt that people want to get something done, but policy from governments have never changed wealth and equality. david: but jonas it's very easy to get rid of wealth and equality make everybody poor that's what the socialists do, you go to cuba, venezuela, you see that doesn't have inequality 90% of the people are equally poor. >> there's been revolutions on inequality but it's always like where it's royalty that has the wealth. that's not, you know, mark zuckerberg is not royalty. well he is now, but -- >> you're debating with yourself. >> americans still respect that you can maybe aoc doesn't like billionaires but at least they made billions or some of them but they're not kings and you know, you wouldn't live in any country that doesn't have billionaires like even china does. >> communism does, especially when there's corruption look at

how -- david: the inequality in socialistic countries is so much more intense than it is in capital it's countries it's just a fact. well the charges were dropped thank you we'll see more in the next hour the charges were dropped but could the lawsuit be coming why actor jussie smollett 's legal troubles may just be beginning. i can't believe it. that we're playing "four on four" with a barbershop quartet? [quartet singing] bum bum bum bum... pass the ball... pass the rock.. ...we're open just pass the ball! no, i can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with geico. yea. [quartet singing] shoot the j! shoot, shoot, shoot the jaaaaaay... believe it! geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.

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everyone pounces at my god this is just awful how could this have happened and all of the resources put in $130,000 in two weeks that's pretty extraordinary. david: now the irony is that the city is divided on the one hand you have the police force and mayor who want to sue this guy and on the other hand you have a prosecutor, kim fox, who essentially empowered him to lie who gave him permission to go out and say i never said one thing that isn't true. well we know that's not true. >> do you know what's amazing david, all of the defense attorneys, are like wow, how did that happen? you don't see those types of deals. what you do see is like in a dismissal basically where your client is being told behavior self for 18 months and we'll scrub your files but say something this extraordinary which goes exactly to your point that he was, it was such an extreme lot come, that even defense attorneys that do this on a daily basis say this is pretty outrageous. david: well this week they elected a new mayor, a new city

council they call them aldermen in chicago but they will have to deal with this. you can't have a criminal justice system to fight criminal s and have a divided, a division a civil war if you will between the prosecutors and the cops. >> we've never seen this type of division before where you have such an upfront hostility between the prosecutors and the police force. you don't see that they really do work hand in glove. they are always in coordination. they obviously they do the arrest they do the investigation and then they hand it over but to have this type of extreme, you don't really see it and when you do that's why there is the federal government has been at least looking into it saying this is such an extreme issue. we need to look to see if there's been anything corrupt being done by the state prosecutor in order for that -- david: that's kim fox on the left and the representative the police on the right. who would want to be a policeman in chicago right now?

how are they going to be able to hire new recruits? >> i come from military, i come from law enforcement god rest my father's soul and my brother. my brother was an undercover nar c. these are people who put themselves out there and risk their live all the time. david: you need a city that has your back because in the business they do they get caught in these legal battles you have to have somebody who covers your back. this woman, kim fox, is not doing that in fact a lot of cops view her as the enemy. >> they have and there's been calls for her resignation, they need to really investigate. and it it all boils down to was there anything that's been done wrong, once the federal government gets involved, there has been calls to look into it there could be her resignation will be the end result and maybe there can be some sort of cohesion between the two forces. david: she's clearly not going to resign great to see you thank you very much. meanwhile a chinese national pulling off a major security breach, at president trump's

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david: chinese diplomats in the u.s. are giving assistance to a chinese national arrested at president trump's mar-a-lago property last week you may remember that he was carrying laptops and a thumb drive with malware on it and cybersecurity expert morgan wright joins me so i guess the chinese government shows us if anybody had any doubt who was involved in this, right? >> look who shows up to a resort with a laptop loaded with thumb drive with malware? look this is obviously either she's a useful idiot like stalin used to say or a deliberate plant by somebody like the minister of state

security or unit 61398 the people who have been hacking the united states to try and find a connection between the mar-a-lago network and trump's network, you know, which is going to be very difficult but i think that's what they are looking to do and it will be very curious, david to find out if it's standard malware or actually something they can show was created by chinese security services. david: well that's the key. how much information will we learn from what we have grabbed from her, from the thumb nail thing to the actual hardware of the comput if you read right now the affidavit for the arrest warrant it alleges they violated what will be interesting to find out david schweikert if they follow along with that and it's superseding affidavit that shows she was now in possession of malware that was intended to do a certain thing which is maybe penetrate the network, maybe put ransomware on there, but we need to wait to see what the analysis is to see what the intent was

but look, nothing good comes by having a thumb drive loaded with malware next to the president. david: yeah, by the way i said thumb nail. obviously, thumb drive i got it mixed up. you know, there was this interesting case which is still being adjudicated bob craft arrested at a massage parlor et cetera turned out one of the women somehow involved with these made her way into mar-a-lago. they had photographs of her, one with president trump, et cetera. i'm wondering if the chinese saw that and figured this is a security breach that maybe we can take advantage of. do you think that might have had something to do with this woman 's attempt to get in there? >> look, there's no doubt that when and i believe her name was yang, she was putting these events together to say you could get access near the president, there's no doubt that china and their security services took advantage of that to try and come up with a plausible cover story, well why are you here what are you doing? so i'm here for this event so it turned out that event was not

there but she still was able to get past the initial level of screening with one of the employees because somebody thought she was a guest of somebody there at the resort, so look there is absolutely no doubt between now and the election david between russia and china, our two biggest adversaries, they are looking for ways to insert themselves into our networks and into our dialogue and discussions. david: happened before it'll happen again. good to see you thank you for being here. meanwhile arizona republican congressman andy biggs has a message for democrats, who are still saying, we don't have a crisis at our border. and california democrat congressman scott peters has a message for president trump, whose saying san diego is begging him for a border wall. that's coming up.

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>> president trump in las vegas today after his border visit yesterday, warning that migrants should not come here. alicia acuna is here with more. hi, alicia.

>> hi, david. yeah, the president is waking up in las vegas, the third california trip since he was president and improved reiterat didder policy. >> our country is full. our area is full. the sector is full. can't take anymore, i'm sorry. can't happen. so turn around. that's the way it is. if you look at our southern border, the number of people and the number of the amount of drugs, human trafficking, the human trafficking is something that nobody used to talk about. i talk about it. it's a terrible thing. >> the president also complimented mexico for stepping up recently, he says, by sending back immigrants crossing that country's southern border. mr. trump says mexico now has a year to stem the flow into the united states otherwise he promises to impose tariffs on

automobiles made in mexico, and 20 states have filed a motion to block the president from diverting money to construct the wall. and he'll be speaking to a jewish coalition, a proud of about 1600 later on this morning after a private fund raising event, david. david: thank you very much. well, arizona republican congressman andy biggs says that the president is right about getting tough with mexico on the southern border. good to see you, congressman. >> good morning. david: i've been surprised how much he's applauding mexico for helping out. i'm wondering, has the crisis really been getting better since mexico has been getting tougher? >> well, we haven't seen enough time for that to take place because the reality is, mexico is still not really giving us the support that we want. they're not taking the refugee

requesters, the applicants, they're supposed to be holding them in mexico. they're not doing that. we need them to sign onto the same basic treaty that canada did where if they're passing through mexico, they're going to hold them. so it's too early to tell. i hope that it will happen, but you know, you still have two caravans trying to make their way up through mexico and if mexico doesn't put the kibosh on that, i would say, no, it hasn't worked as well as we had hoped. david: so what i'm sensing is that what the president is doing, he's throwing out an olive branch to the mexicans, saying, look, i'm willing to applaud you if you do the right thing, but holding over their head the threat of more tariffs. lord knows how much that would affect the usmca. playing good cop/bad cop himself. >> i think he's doing the right thing because he's hammering them hard and providing the threat that his bully pulpit allows. he's giving them a break,

daylight, step it up and they've got to step it up because without mexico on their southern border, it's going to be a free-for-all and anarchy on our southern border. david: you may be getting help from mexico, but not from the democrats. it's interesting the pivot that democrats have taken. for months and months they were refusing to admit there was a crisis or even a problem. beto o'rourke says there's no problem the a the border a couple of weeks ago. now they have to admit, the democrats from the obama administration, saying there's a problem, jay johnson and others, not just a problem, but a real crisis, they have to admit there's one, but blaming it all on donald trump. >> it's insanity in my opinion. look, they're the ones that basically have done nothing for years and to say that there was no problem. by the way, david, there's still a significant number of my congressional colleagues on the other side of the aisle that deny that there's a problem at all. and for many months they were saying, well, we don't want

president trump to get a victory, but some that i were talking to this week, they don't have any idea how to solve this problem, but there's so many things we can be doing that we should be doing, but our colleagues on the other side are not going to help us out. ingaruarantee that, they are no going to help. david: president trump found a way to get the money to build the wall and he's went to inspect one of the walls that have gone up. you have sees asylum walls-- excuse me, asylum laws and they cannot be fixed without democrats' help, right? >> for the most parts they can't be fixed without democrats' help, but we can do some things. we can put leverage on mexico, like i say, they need to hold those folks there and that's where president trump needs to continue with the strong arm that he's using. if we're going to make long-term effects, we really have to have the democrats and they don't want to do it. david: this asylum law, you put

one foot on u.s. soil and you're home free. one meeting with the border patrol and say come back in two months and they never come back. so, i mean, clearly this is something that democrats, moderate democrats understand and can't you forge some sort of coalition to change that? >> well, i wish we could. i mean, there's probably 20 seats that are-- that i would say are kind of swing seats where people there are looking now at the border and saying, you've got to do something. and david, it's even worse. if -- since the walls are built on our property, on america right of way, if somebody is on the fence, they get over on the fence and they say i want asylum, we have to figure out how to get them over, under, through, our law requires them to get them in even if they're on the mexican side, but they're on the fence which is american territory. and some more correct thinking, democrat friends will join us, but so far, they've not put out

the-- they haven't crossed the bridge yet, willing to cross the bridge. david: now, independent of the mexicans and democrats, you have the central americans themselves. i think part of the reason why there is such an on-rush is precisely because the president is tough on immigration and they understand that the window for free ride is closing, whether it's the president putting the wall up or you guys finally forging a coalition with democrats to change the asylum laws and this is the last chance. i mean, word gets around. there's a grapevine in the community of central america that gets the word out pretty quick that if you don't go now, you may never get in. >> that's exactly right. there's a grapevine from the southern border all the way down to the central american states and the cartels are using this, david. right now the cartels are using the weak asylum laws so they won't charge as much, but the cartels don't even have to enter, necessarily, they're bringing right up to the border,

say, you step over there and you're going to get asylum and released there. we've released over 120,000 people in the last months into the interior of this country and so people know that there's a great opportunity. it's one of the unintended consequences of trying to get tough on the border, but we have to get tough on the border or it's going to continue to proliferate. david: we've seen it before. in the late '80s, early '90s, we put up a bunch of walls in san diego, three tiers of walls and that stopped a lot of it. hopefully we'll get it stopped again. andy biggs, from arizona. some worry here that hitting mexico with tariffs and closing the border with back fire on jobs, but would it? that's next. wise. it lets you know when you go too fast...

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with our job market rebounding with nearly 200,000 new ones last month, could that also hit us here where it hurts? jonas max ferris and-- clearly if there are tariffs they're going to hit. >> 10, 20% tariffs temporarily on a country, 20, 30 billion in trade. it's not going to cause a recession. there's times where it could or be worse, but with no inflation, it wouldn't matter the price of avocados and car parts. it's not a good thing, but don't act like a doom scenario. just like with china, it never turned into that. david: that's true, susan, tariffs against china didn't stop the negotiations from going on. >> it hurt the markets. david: not only ours, but the world markets, slowed it down. >> the economy. david: and let's listen to the president's interview with griff general kips, the mca, the new

trade deal with mexico could be affected if there are tariffs, play it. >> how could you put on a tariff-- >> we haven't finished our agreement yet. so i'll put that in there. i'm going to put it in there. because if they-- look, people are pouring through mexico. they come from other countries. david: so i thought that the trade deal was-- had had already been -- it hasn't been passed by congress clearly, but how do you get a trade agreement with an option for tariffs worked into it? >> it's a new nafta, and it includes canada and mexico as well. he said if there is tariffs it would supercede the mca. it's pretty much all tied up and ready for passage by congress. david: john, you're not -- you're a huge big free trader, i know that, and i'm along with you most of the ways. on the other hand i do see how tariffs have been used to put the screws on china with regard

to some of these trade talks. is there -- do you see any justification for ever using tariffs? >> ever is a long time and a very big umbrella. so, yeah, there's got to be some ways and ways to put sanctions on people. i disagree. i think that tariffs are absurd with china and to do it with mexico. we're causing long-term structural damage to our country to take decades to get over. david: decades? >> decades, we're losing for our farmer, we've bailed out our farmers 12 billion. pork is down and we used to ship to japan and tpp started december 30th, we're losing that deal and japan doing a bilateral trade agreement with the united states. i think the president has done a good job with the economy, but i'm very much against the tariffs. david: let me switch gears,

jonas. former president obama was speaking in germany and he spoke with the progressives and so-called moderates in the democratic party could undercut ambitions for 2020. it's interesting, this is the first time i've heard him come out specifically to talk about it and it comes the day after joe biden really pinpointed socialism as a problem for democrats. >> well, first of all, no one is going to get hurt bad. he's basically right. they are too hard on each other. look, they're running for the same office and the republicans are pretty hard on each other, too, because trump was throwing a lot of punches and it worked for him. but they're throwing punches and taking everybody down and not letting somebody who is electable rise. and you know, obama, you know, he was taking more hits in some ways from hillary. she got dirty and aggressive. ultimately people took-- they liked him. and you can't take out likeable people that could get elected

that are more moderate because they can't get to a primary process that demands you be pro socialist and medical for all and litmus test and they used to criticize the republicans. they're creating their own and they're-- they used to criticize republicans for not caring about science, whether it's -- there's a bunch of them. and the way they think you can do environmental policy. the way, i don't know, but it's becoming as what they criticized republicans for, which was not thinking about reality and science. david: now, he was speaking in germany so you have to look at it in this context. but he says it could end up undercutting our alliances overseas and i'm wondering if that's true. frankly, i think most europeans and asians are used to seeing the dust-ups in america. >> especially headed into an election year 2020. i feel like international partners and allies, we've seen this before. you know, you've made all of

these campaign promises and how much are actually followed through. they probably just see this as domestic u.s. politics. however, i am interested in why obama has not come out more strongly to help his brother, joe biden amongst all of these accusations. david: it's interesting, isn't it? >> help in the 2020 race. david: president obama has been absent. >> silent. david: who he calls his brother, the best decision he ever made. he was there for all of this. and somebody to defend. you have 23 sexual misconduct allegations against the president and seven allegations of biden being creepy all on video. it hurts him because they're going to play that over and over. and president trump denied these and one audiotape that hurts him. but why he doesn't come out and defend biden. people love president obama. if he put his arm around him and says, he's my friend and-- >> i think it's because he has

more sympathy for the progressive side. let's face it, he chose joe biden, president obama did, he needed more centrists to vote for him and he was successful in that regard. looking to the future, he sees the democratic future as more progressive than joe biden is. >> it's changed so much. if obama was in this race, he would be considered a centrist at this point the way they're talking and-- >> where would bill clinton be? . he'd be a republican. >> if you compare obamacare, similar to what mitt romney did in massachusetts, compared to medicare for all or va for all. one is a management system, companies are private and subsidies. one is-- maybe he wanted to go for that and it wasn't politically palatable. the offerings out of obama, today's democratic party. david: you mentioned, we were on fbn yesterday, you mentioned something interesting, europeans

have a lot of socialist policies with regard to health care, with regard to their-- >> taxes. david: amtrak, we have a socialized train system as well, but they like socialism better than americans do. they have-- their trains do run on time and some of their health care systems, not england, but some do work better. >> the democrat flaw in expansion is they think we can run government as well as they do in europe and for a bunch of reasons we don't and one of it is, we have a more dynamic economy, there's more draw to work at google-- >> more population, 300 million compared to 30 million. >> china puts great trains out, a huge population, but the government, the government does well and we have a relatively low budget to gdp. david: and the president who gets the dynamism of the economy is the one the head of a country who has a good working economy. that's why our gdp is growing so

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seems to be changes, and are you a socialist? well, that's a real progressive. david: then he went on to say that most democrats are moderates, not socialists and moderates are winning. >> i went into 65, 66, 67 races on the ground. i campaigned i think for virtually every one of the 41 people who won. show me the really left, left, left wingers who beat a republican, a republican. david: is he right or wrong? our political panel is back. noel, antoine, what do you think-- >> i was in 62 races, and we won gerrymander -- we won not because of the extreme liberal,

but because moderate. he is the messenger in chief-- >> what happens if you have a socialist who is nominated as your democratic. >> we won't and guess what, there are very few people in our primary who can pull the many corners. democratic party together. joe biden is one of them. kat. >> you look how popular bernie sanders was in the last election, not only-- he didn't necessarily give hillary a run for her money, but what he did do, he made her have to push left a little bit and feel bad about some of the wall street type of things. i'm saying, people-- you can't say they have no influence. these are outliers-- >> i never said they don't have influence, what i'm saying is that moderates still kind of are the face and the long-term voice of our party. the beauty about our party, we're a diverse party, much more so than the republican party. they have a place, but the moderates have a bigger place.

david: noel, it was big news that this is the first time there has really been big pushback against the socialists. >> elizabeth warren called it out in her speech. david: it's been called out before, but this is a definite pushback, do you think it will continue? do you think that this will squeeze the bernie sanders of the party? >> i think it needs to be. the democrats, depending who wins the nomination in the general, that's going to define their message, their banner and i think that joe biden. they all know in their hearts, someone like a joe biden will bring back more normalcy to their party and to thebrand. david: by the way in donald trump's heart wouldn't he rather run against a socialist. >> absolutely. david: to the american people? >> absolutely. because a socialism party or socialism is not even economically feasible. they're going to be running against such a great economy. david: but, kat, you look at the green new deal and you have virtually every democrat that

joe biden hasn't one way or the other. some democrats say they're not for it, but virtually every democrat running for president who has announced themselves has signed onto this. if that's not socialism, i don't know what it is. >> not only is it socialism, it's something that could never work. nobody looks at this and says hey, this isn't possible. david: you can't triple the budget in one shot? >> you can't do that and you can't get rid of all carbon emissions in ten years, it's not possible. signing onto the impossible. i feel it's an issue and we have to do something about it and we should focus on things that have solutions. people want solutions. david: hold on, because we have mayor pete. he's in new hampshire right now and let's just listen in. >> come on in. >> pete buttigieg, he's in concord, new hampshire, kind of the rising star for the moment

in the democratic contenders. now, pete's one of those people who is perceived, antoine, as a moderate and yet you see him signing off on policies that could easily be called socialist. >> the green new deal. while people support the idea, we have to do something about protecting our natural resources and being a cleaner and greener country. i don't think from a policy standpoint, pound for pound, people agree with aoc's green new deal. pelosi stood up during the speech saying there's never going to be a socialist company-- >> medicare for all is a socialist health care. en and they may not call themselves socialist, but these are more popular in the democratic party. >> and leadership within our party says we'll involve to make sure we expand health care

opportunities, not necessarily medicare for all. >> multiple presidential candidates have said eliminate private health care. last time around there was one and now-- >> and the opportunity to have robust discussion in our primary and when we get a nominee i think you'll see collapse happened and a platform. david: robust discussions right here. i want to ask about the republican response to the green new deal, other than calling it a socialist idea and frankly you don't triple the budget without being a socialist country. >> by the way, i'm not a fan. david: he's on the record, not a green new deal. there was an alternate offered. and called out climate change as something real that has to be addressed by republicans. what do you think, is that a mistake or the right track? >> no, it's not a mistake. it starts the conversation. it's a conversation that shunting taboo for republicans to have and i think if done

responsibly, i think there's a place for some sort of policy with environmentalists. david: last word, is there? >> i agree. i absolutely agree and aoc was able to say for a long time, no one else is saying anything, at least i'm starting a discussion. can't say that anymore. >> look, her discussion served as a conversation starter. again, pound for pound, i think it's not-- >> antoine is not for the green new deal. i want it out there and make it clear. >> i'm for something. david: we all like clean air. democrats are doubling down on president trump's tax returns to subpoenaing the report. frank lutz told us that americans have had enough of this. is he right or is he wrong?

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>> house democrats this week stepping up their efforts to go after president trump. first authorizing a subpoena for the full mueller report and then requesting six years of president trump's tax returns from the irs. fox news reporter garrett tenney is in d.c. with the latest. hi, garrett. >> david, good morning to you. president trump does not plan to let democrats get his tax returns without a fight. and counsel told he should not provide the documents until the justice department weighs in. in the letter to the irs, if the irs acquiesces to the chairman's request, it would be a gross abuse of power for the majority

party to use taxes as a weapon to attack player political opponent. once this pandora's box is open the ensuing tit-for-tat would do damage to our nation. the president says he cannot release the return because he's under audit from the irs. the irs said previously that does not prevent someone from releasing information. on the mueller report, subpoenas for the full unredacted report. the president tells fox news he decided to leave it up to the attorney general. >> it's up to the attorney general whatever he wants to do, but everybody waited for the mueller report and then turns out that there's no obstruction, no collusion, no anything, and now the rest is up to the attorney general. schiff and nadler keep playing their games and can't get off it they were disappointed, but it was an easy decision. >> and many argue for the nor

americans to have trust in the thing itself. the underlying documents need to be released and plan to do everything they can to make sure that happens. >> president trump's attorney general is resisting calls to release the special counsel's report with full transparency. i believe the american people need to know the truth. we deserve to know the truth. that report must be made public. >> in terms of when we may see more of the mueller report, this week the attorney general said it would likely take weeks, not months for his team to go through and take out classified information before it is released, david. david: thanks, garrett. >> you've got it. >> this is a message for republicans, but primarily democrats, but for republicans as well. focus on fixing health care. >> yeah. >> focus on securing the border. focus on improving quality of life and stop with the political

investigations because the public has had enough of it. david: that's frank luntz on the show and is he right? mike, what do you think of frank luntz? . he said that the democrats are going down a dead-end road if they keep going with the investigation, but said the same could be true of republicans. >> he's absolutely right. when you look at the issue on the tax returns, it's a dangerous precedent for a committee in congress to single out one person and one individual. remember, when they first started saying they needed donald trump's tax returns, it was to determine whether or not there was collusion with the russians. that, of course, that's been set aside and now their letter says they need to make certain he's being taxed according to tax laws. that's not their job, it's the irs's job. if they can single him out, they can single out anybody. they can say we need to know the tax returns of those who own social media or regular media. they can single out anyone and

it's a bad precedent and shouldn't happen. on the mueller report itself-- go ahead. david: i get that, i understand it and we're going to talk more about it, but at the same time there are some legitimate things that folks, well-meaning folks want investigated from the republican side, that is, you know, what happened with these fisa warrants that led to the russia collusion investigation. and what was the role of the fbi ap department of justice. was there conspiracy there? it was that collusion between russia and the clinton campaign. and frank luntz says you have to put them aside. >> you don't put them aside you see actual evidence of abuse. these are democrats are doing investigations to look for abuse. and they have nothing they're following, with respect to the tax returns and the mueller report, waiting, everyone has been for the full disclosure of the mueller report and congress voted unanimously to have the

mueller report released. and they have the process taking things out that cannot be made public. i'm concerned with congress making one set of information and the people another. it's illegal for people to receive classified information and tell anyone. and it's illegal to tell untruths. we see that on the mueller report and people trying to misinterpret what it says. david: if it goes to congress unredacted, it's going to be leaked somehow. we've seen that often enough. we did reach out to adam schiff, house judiciary chairman jerry nadler and house ways and means chairman, and we have not heard back from them. we wanted to mention that because you're on the house intel. adam schiff, the chairman of that committee still claims that he has evidence of collusion between the trump administration, or the trump team and russia. you know, mr. mueller had 70 fbi

agents, lord knows how many subpoenas, et cetera. how could mueller have missed something that adam schiff claims to have seen? >> yeah, it's just not true and the other aspect of this, which is where my concerns lie. if we have the barr report specifically quote from the mueller report and they were unable to establish any collusion, whether tacit or express, but now schiff and his minions are running around saying they didn't find any criminal collusion or probable cause to take criminal action. it does not say that. it says this they did not find any collusion. so i would be very much opposed to congress receiving one version and then the public receiving another because even when it's out in the public. and we can read it ourselves. they still spin and state untruths about what mueller found. david: we have to go, but quickly, i've got to ask you. if mr. barr had in any way misrepresented what mr. mueller-- the conclusions to which mr. mueller came, is there anything that would keep

mr. mueller from coming out and saying that? >> not that i'm aware of. what's important that we know is that barr specifically quotes from it. there are quotations in the sentences that barr released. it's hard to express something that's misquoted-- >> and president trump says that san diego is begging for a border wall during his trip yesterday. representative scott peters represents san diego. what does he say next? in our hot tub? lobster: oh, you guys. there's a jet! oh...i needed this. no, i can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on our car insurance with geico. we could have been doing this a long time ago. so, you guys staying at the hotel? yeah, we just got married. oh ho-ho! congratulations! thank you. yeah, i'm afraid of commitment... and being boiled alive. oh, shoot. believe it. geico could save you 15% or more on car insurance. that guy's the worst.

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what do you think about the president's claim and we should mention, by the way, you've got like a 47-mile wall already, don't you? >> that's about 17 miles, right. i guess there's some extra ones. but, yeah, we have a little bit of a wall, but you know, we're really not partial to more wall. one of the things that makes diego san diego is our relationship with mexico which is very good border around the busiest border crossing in the western hemisphere generates billions of dollars of economic activity on both sides, and tens of thousands of jobs and we see it as an asset and an opportunity, not as a threat. certainly, people aren't pouring over or running through my lawn. david: i did get a piece from the san diego union, a great paper from your district, and in fact, they're the ones that say it was a 47-mile wall built between 1980's, the late '80s when you had a terrible problem with essentially an invasion

of-- migrant invasion, a thousands of people going through, and three stages of walls built over the next few years, and that went down to 26,000 in 2015. that's a 96% decrease in immigration. it looks like the wall worked. >> well, part of it, too, is that the economy has improved in mexico relative to the united states. so there wasn't the desperation to get across that we had before which is one of the reasons why i'm hopeful that we can continue our excellent trade relationship with mexico that was established in nafta and needs to be improved. that had a lot to do with that as well. david: it does say, i'm reading from the san diego union piece, they're well-informed. they said large numbers of immigrants did still pour across the border the next couple of years after the wall, but moved away from the coast, moved away from the wall, trying to slip around the walls and high

fences, so it does appear that the wall worked. that the wall did stem the tide in your district years ago. >> we're not talking about taking down the walls that exist today. what i think the controversy is over whether we spend billions of dollars to put a wall, you know, in remote areas where the populations are very, very small relatively and i think there's much better ways to handle that dave. i think what we proposed last term is mile by mile survey by dhs. some recommend to us what would be the best. we know that we have drones, we have radar, we have sensors, we have tunnel detection technologies, all of those things would be better employed than just putting a 16th century solution to a 21st century problem. david: even though that 16th century solution did seem to work in the late '90s, the early '90s, mid '90s, late '90s. >> going forward, i don't think that's the cost effective way to deal with the rest of the border. i don't think that anybody is proposing taking down the wall.

we have to invest in screening and border patrol. we know our border patrol is down, they have 300 vacant positions. 2000-some agents in the san diego sector. let's support them. screening, 90% of the hard drugs come through the border point of entry and we're investigating money in projects that american can be proud of to get the border technology installed at the port of entry to catch this a and-- >> not all support, particularly supporting ice agents. some democrats are calling for ending or elimination of ice. and kind of leads me to ask what the former vice-president was talking about yesterday, that the only democrats that are really going to do well in 2020 are going to be those who are moderate to liberal, rather than those who are on the far left, on immigration or a whole range of issues. do you agree?

>> i do agree. last term i was the chair of the new democrat political action committee. i with as in charge of to find and support democrats in districts like mine. districts like mine, suburban districts, sometimes well educated where the voters aren't necessarily overly partisan, but want to see congress members work together and solve problems and they were frustrated with the feckless republican leadership we've seen and now democrats have an opportunity to solve problems. if we don't do that, dave, i think we are going to be in trouble. but we have an opportunity to work in a bipartisan way to advance the agenda that is important to americans on health care, immigration, on jobs, and i'm looking forward to that opportunity. i hope we rise to meet that. david: if biden declares, will you be for him? >> i like vice-president biden very much, one of the best people i met in politics. i think you'll hear that from people on both sides of the aisle. david: it sounds like a yes. >> i haven't made an endorsement, but i like his style and i think he's someone

who could help unify the country after a few years of tough division. david: congressman scott peters. thank you, congressman. thank you for being here. appreciate it. >> thank you very much. david: actresses laurie lachlan and felicity huffman in court over the college admissions scandal. now there's new pay to play. stick around for details.

>> the college admissions scandals continue with laurie lachlan, felicity huffman and other parents appearing in court on charges related to the original scandal. well, now harvard is investigating the school's fencing coach who is accused of selling his home for an inflated price to parents of athletes who are on his team. so, what comes next?

here with some answers? where does this go? >> it depends. the results of the investigation-- i should say this, the focus of the investigation will be a large spectrum, right? there's a lot that can happen before it's actually criminal conduct. it might be as simple as infringing upon or violating the conflict of interest policy at harvard. it could be something where there are attempts to influence the admissions policy. and that these attempts materially affect that process. notice the two kids in the real estate transaction, they do fence, they're athletes. they were at state tournaments and they were excellent students so it's more of a gray area as we see the facts. but ultimately this independent investigation team conducted by harvard will uncover results and know, too, it's a 40-person process or 40-point process for admission so it's really unlikely this would be that global type of fraud we saw. david: not like the admissions.

let's go back to the admissions scandal itself. there are dozens of parents wrapped up in this thing and i imagine they're right now trying to squeeze people like felicity and huffman and others to get them to see if there are more parents involved, right? are prosecutors trying to work with those accused to get more information out of them? >> absolutely. the two counts that felicity huffman and laurie lachlan are charged with one is conspiracy to mail fraud and mail fraud, and 20 years each. and prosecutors would squeeze information or plead out. the vast majority of federal defendants do plead out and of those, the vast majority get below sentencing guidelines sentences as recommended by the government, meaning a prosecutor sitting across the table and saying, well, if you plead good night you won't get 20 or 40, i'll give you 26 months, and then it all ends here. and notice, well singer, the

ring leader immediately when he started working with the government, he told everyone and why he got obstruction of justice charge. and it behooves the parents to work with the government on their own. david: if all they have to do after negotiating with prosecutors is pay off a fine, a lot of people are saying, that's exactly what they're being charged with, paying off a problem with money. they're going to have to get some jail time, won't they? >> you can argue such yes. the average of fraud, penalties upon plea deals is in fact 26 months. i see-- i do not see just a fine eradicating the behavior here. not-- >> because it's exactly what the behavior is, believing you can pay off-- that's what the europeans do, that's what they do in corrupt states down south of the border where if you have enough money, you can get yourself off of any jail time. >> and ultimately the government wants to end their focus of

deterrents and punishment to hit you where it hurts f somebody is wealthy somebody spent millions to get their kids in, what's another fine on top of it? there should be more of a criminal element or prison element to their sentence. david: nice see you, thanks for coming in. president trump is gearing up for a speech. he's going to be in las vegas at the venetian, forgive me, i never went to the venetian, i'll see you every weekday at the bulls and bears. and on the fox business network, it's a great show, hope you can join me there. keep it here for the breaking news. we'll see you next time. who s, which led to new adventures, ♪ that captured their imaginations

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