accomplice in a dodge ram pickup. i have to use my chain saw a lot those are sharp when they've not running. and "fox report" this saturday april 6th. i'm jon scott thanks for watching. see you tomorrow. ♪ >> welcome america, a mark levenn life, liberty and two great guests john good to see you. >> so nice to see you. everyone know who is you are. ubiquitous and there's a reason or for that. you're the i don't to offend you like woodward and bernstein of our time but they aren't anymore but you've dug into is this story about russia. about the obama administration, about spying, about what i

consider the greatest political scandal if not in modern history and i'm very much a historian. for two years, this collusion narrative really two and a half years has been pushed. pushed by hillary campaign of the dnc, either propaganda by surrogate by the media. you're professional journalist. john let me go to you first how do you explain your doggedness instinctive you're a journalist this is how you were trained how do you goo after it? yet fast majority of others they see it, and they divert how do you explain that? >> you know, i think there's a are manhattan decision with water gate everyone wants next water gate and they're trying to aspire to it. i grew up in an era told to never fall in love with a story but to be passionate and follow facts wherever they law and started to follow facts they didn't add up. to this story that mainstream media and obama administration

was telling us we were talking toad very intelligent people briefing congress and telling them we don't have evidence of collusion and we see members come out and with collusion, people like adam shift and mark warnerte and we kept with it and talk to't people and kept hearig it is not there. this is a foe scandal it is a dirty political trick. stick to facts you'll get to the trout and stuck to facts we didn't become passion that the but followed fact where is they went. >> why are there so few journalist who follow facts? where they go? >> i don't know. and i don't understand it. i don't t know what their persol decisions are. i know my own. and i know when i started as a journalist, many decades ago, couple of decades ago or more -- the first thing i was taught is you are a voice for the voiceless. your objectivity is everything, as much as you can be octave in the story because we all have our own personal feelings when we enter it we try to put those

aside be passionate as john said but we're really there to tell the story it is in the our story. and we rely on multiple sources. regardless of. who that source is -- whether that source is john brennan or james clapper and we put a lot of emphasis in senior officials. i was told don't put emphasis in senior officials. find three and even jon and i discussed this we would cover stories all of the time l. started at the washington times. didn't matter if it was -- working together to not washington time. >> we did that's where we met i came from california. i heard john solomon wases going to be coming to post actually to go to washington times. i was very excited. he came onboard and jon set me on my marry way to afghanistan and bring me back stories and i did and i spent time on the ground with soldiers with with u.s. soldiers.

>> post in you heard what he had to say. he's very concerned about what's happening to major media outlets here. >> oh, my. you're concerned too? what do you do you keep soldiers on show what a real journalist is and how to do news or is there need for something more? something bigger, do you think? >> great question. you know, i think the industry has to have a moment of interest section after what's happened here, and not some foe where we beat our chest for a couple of days and movesp on. i think we have to look at how do we practice journalist in 21st century with twitter and facebook, and all of the outlets to say somethings. i think one of the great signs that i saw coming of an industry spreading so far from neutrality when twitter started to see reporters making extraordinary expression of opinion i would have been fired at associate press if i said those things 20 years ago and it opened up a

bottle ofo champagne cork poppd out all of a sudden journalist felt they could justt say whatever they wanted. and i learned when i came and no one cared about my opinion they want to hear about facts you have in your notebook we strayed so far from that we have to go back to look how did that happen and how do we try to resolve what we've done to industry. we've lost a lot of our credibility. >> and the spbl very well aware of that. we see that in how the public views journalism now as -- i mean there's no trust. there's a lack of trust. one of the things that i thought of i wanted to say i remember -- you know, every great editor has always told me this. you don't write a story from behind a desk. you go there, you interview the people. you look at them in the face. you ask for documents you find what had their motive is do they have a motive for telling you that. sometimes it may be selfish still the truth but we need to know what motive is. that's what we always did i saw it changing and shifting so many journalist and a lot of

different newsrooms that i worked in -- would e never leave their desk. they always wanted to have friends especially in washington, d.c. there was a big bubble here. where people felt that -- was better to be friends with the administration especially under obama. president obama, people really wanted to be friends with the administration. go to their parties go to their dinners. it became very difficult for them to tell the truth. to tell the stories told these officials accountable l and i think that's what we've seen. >> is this how they missed the trump election? clearly tweeted instead of talking to real america people were out in wisconsin if they were out -- in iowa they would have seen this ground swell of a connection between real americans and the president that we sitting on the global elitist desk of news organizations completely missed and i think that journalism when i first took any job my first editor in washington walter great famous journalist said to me, what

makes great journalist -- theirdi soul. theyey said the soul of the shos if it is worn out then you know they're doing their job. clean ande new they're not out really reporting. >> you both operate -- in an area of journalist where you deal with shady characters from time to time and deal with shadows from time to time. have you ever had anything -- any unusual experiences doing that? >> unusual experiences people come with motives and you have to report them out try to control that motive doesn't sway the story. but you know, many people approach most of the people that have approached me and i'm sure with sarah have good intentions they want to get a story out. >> ever been approached in unusual way? >> oh. i'll tell you story about a mailbox that our curred at my home to the russia story sarah and i had just begun working on what we call the abuse storieses, unmasking, and unmasking it we got on television and hannity show we

talked about this sudden rise in unmaskings and i drove home i got to my mailbox and there was a blue sedan sitting outside mailbox and there were two gentlemen intelligent officers some were from government they never identified their names and stepped out said are you mr. solomon i said yes we saw you on sean hannity show we can't tell you much because most what we knowon is classified but we'll tell you this if you keep digging you will find out that the united states intelligence community would use for a political opposition research project and we are deeply concerned. and i said why are you concerned? we need these tools. things like nsa to catch bad guys we misuse for political dirty trickswe with won't have tools when the next terrorist attack or next showed up in town. we need you to find out whapgd and that's all they told me. about 11:30 and finished conversation, i raid sarah this is about 2:00 in the morning she was responded right

back but hao we got understanding that this was bigger than just unmasking scandal. >> it was huge. >> how long ago was this? >> with that 2,000 -- march of 2017 yeah march 2017 because we had been working on this story. i01 mean we were getting tipped off, we saw what was happening to general flynn lieutenant general mike flynn i remember -- being approached by let's say federal law enforcement officers who had told me you really need to dig into what's happened to lieutenant general flynn. apparently there's a lot been going on inside the fbi look at andrew mccabe. focus on some of these characters that was a same thing that happened to jon. i started focusing in and just really taking a step back saying what's goingha on here and the e more we started to investigate, little by little we started peeling back what we call the onion right layer of the onion that felt like that so ting it

can't get much worse than this it can't -- >> was general flynn set up? >> i absolutely believe that general flynn was a target. from the very beginning -- >> because the obama generals didn't like him. is that correct? your intelligence if you keep in mind if you look back at that time he was talking about about it massive reorganization of the intelligence community. there are a lot of powerful constituency in the community that like status quo, and he was talking about reorganizeing that. and i think he had a target on his back and opportunity struck, and to answer the question whether he was set up all you have to do is james comey comment at that seminar in new him intot that seminar in new being interviewed before lawyers what a statement to be made by the man -- you made that man who oversaw our fbi. >> not only that but oversaw a fbi but lieutenant general, who spent 33 years of his life dedicated to this nation. who serve his service overseas with exemplary without him i have been told by assistant

directors of the assistant department of defense, and others without him he was like the third leg on getting al qaeda on targeting all of the al qaeda operatives in iraq in afghanistan, i talked to soldier who is said he was stand by us. he was always there for us. he was always defending us. and they just basically destroyed this man's life. they turned his life upside down but i knew it. there was a purpose for that. there was a purpose because -- he had had access to everything. this was a man that angered the cia. that was headed to dia, he had connections all over this town. he knew where the bodies were buried. benghazi and all of these operations and -- president obama and his team early on knew they had to get this guy out of the way. and they had to get him out of the way quick. >> and they already had tried to get him out of the way and they failed and he became a top

advisor to the president of the united states. i hope he's at the top of the list. for a pardon that's just me. ladies and gentlemen, don't forget almost every weeknight youho can watch levin tv on blae tv.com/mark. or give us a call 844-levin tv, 844-levin tv. we'll be right back.

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>> sarah carter, jon salomon, so collusion -- so now there has been a little t from there. narrative that's prosecutor made it emphatic quote with marks in the letter from attorney general barr. he didn't say as a legal matter. i couldn't bring a case on collusion. he said there's no collusion we know also from the letter that the russians did try to get trump campaign people to participate. and they didn't. so you would think there would be celebration in both parties, celebration among the media but now they're changing narrative which -- we want to see everything. we want to see grand jury information, congress, say no right to urd federal law. we want to see fbi notes which they have no right to

underseparation of powers. he want to see this. we want to see that. we don't trust what was done, and besides this obstruction issue here, mueller didn't really take a position on that. attorney general the deputy attorney general said well this doesn't cut it. under department of justice standard, this moving ball these constant investigations, this refusal by i saw this guy -- whatever his name is from california on fox -- he doesn't even accept the fact that dossier was fake. where do we go from here? >> it has become a matter of -- of political intention now and a dangerous thing in america. when truth just get defined but whatever you need a political outcome to become and you see a folly playing out. democrats said we trust mueller we put our trust in mueller he came out he didn't come to conclusion they wanted so now they're changing stadium we were mol or stadium moving to a new name stadium keep changing this

game untilr they get result tht they want. the good news e is, this was a victory for the rule of law. bob mueller filed a law. he found conclusion that are factually based, and there's a lot of laws governorring what government can and can't executive branch can and can't give to congress i expect this white house to play that out to protect grand jury information to protect the executive privilege information and to thwart unreasonable requests that congress may make but end up in courts, and it is a way of, in fact,s to continue to extend narrative even though snarrative has been driven -- >> so they'll claim l coverup if they don't get things sorry carte where is job of congress? congress under article one to appropriate and legislate. some cases in the senate they can confirm, they're not treating conduct criminal investigations. >> that's will absolutely right they've conducted multiple hearings so they've done a good job of oversight on the rest of this so-called scandal involving clinton and dnc have they done,

democrat shown any interest in oversight in those areas? >> no absolutely not no interest whatsoever. what democrats want is to continually investigate president trump and his family and his finances. and had taxes and what he ate for dinner and who he hangs out with and plays golf and how long he plays golf you know it is a never ending trump focus. and a american, millions of people that voted for president trump one aren't going to buy this them and for those independent and people in middle that want to see our nation debate policy issues thicks that matter to americans. health care, schools, education, infrastructure, they're going get sick of this. >> do you think there may be a political backlash. >> i think there's going to be a huge political backlash just is from talking to people around thehi country. they're exhausted of this

investigation they realize now based on robert mueller walked on water.co for the democrats nobody could have criticized but nobody could criticize him. if you looks at his past history whether it was his involvement in the anthrax disor whether it was atlanta city bombing anything in you criticize him at all. >> whitey budger a huge case. now, he doesn't walk on all of a sudden he didn't give them what they wanted because look they have that on their face let's be honest they're frustrated. they realize they -- they did not assess this situation correctly. whether they believed it or lied about it -- they did not assess it correctly. : let me ask you journalist -- as i listen to you, on their face, they didn't pursue certain thing they should have pursued mostly the truth. journalism is given this, a voice.

have yod led this corrupt effort orth are the media pushing this corrupt effort? or the media just a mouthpiece? with exceptions of it -- to this effort -- which is or do we know? >> i've always subscribe to rule on journalism at the end of the day you're as good of the source as information that you rely upon and if you only talk to one side and one perspective you're hostage to that perspective if we look back at some of the stories let's take a story on front page of new york times that driveses this narrative. it is stated unequivocally that senior trump administration officials met with senior russian intelligence officials to discuss colluding, i mean, election. >> did that happen? >> did not happen. not only that, james comey no fan of president trump testified it did not happen he called the story erroneous. to this day -- "new york timeses" has not correct that had story and stood by that story in the absence of

facts, and in the direct denial of people who add information access to the information. that's what hurts journalism credibility anything that we water gate era of journalism has been eroded by performance of they media on ts story. >> i was thinking the same thing about the story -- mark, and jon you know a story that said michael kog hen traveled to prague they have sources this was a second story -- that said they have three sources that can prove michael it is not that difficult. to find out if michael l cohen went to prague, i mean even if fbi have a dossier you call up state department did they fly out of the country on this date was he in prague on that date it is that simple. no he wasn't. >> never -- >> i have a question for both of you, what did barack obama know? and when did he know it? we'll be right back. fun! thanks to you, we will. aw, stop.

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it could not have happened just a few years ago. could not are have happened. >> in recent months the party is faced backlash over comments made by minnesota representative elon omar seen by many as a anti-semitic. i'm jon scott back now to life, liberty, and levin. sarah carter john what did obama know it was a lot of information in the public. it was being leaked by the department of justice by the fbi, by others. hillary clinton and dnc paid for this dossier all kiengdz of stuff and senior level department of justice, senior level intelligence agencies. president gets a national intelligence briefing once a day sometimes twice a day. i lap to know attorney general

if we ever saw a fisa involving campaign attorney o general woud have taken a car over to the president to fill in a case incase there was a political aspect to it. is barack obama the only human being on planet who didn't know anything? >> that's a great question. i think -- i would like to see is a long in-depth interview with barack obama along in-depth interview with hillary clinton. to answer the question that president trump answered for us. i've interviewed president trump sarah has interviewed him and answered all of theser questios and unequivocal all we said about what happened and didn't happen in russia i would like to know what did barack obama know when or was he briefed and not interested in russia collusion before the election. but after donald trump won and seem to be excited it be. these are questions that haven't been asked hillary clinton question we have to ask her how much did you know about simpson and mike -- operation what was beginning on? were you being briefed did you get any help from a foreign government because you're a former secretary of state with

enormous contact around the world where foreigners helping your campaign like we heard in yiewg crane recently. those are questions that never got asked and i hope at some point soon both submit to an toughiew and answer the questions. >> should the republicans while you have six house committees who want to look at what mueller did and at taxes all of the other should republicans even thoughee they're minority assist if they want transparency they want a full investigation need to know what obama knew we need to knowul what a val is rei and suzanne rice knew we need to know what everyone in the inner circle at the white house knew and we bring them -- behind closed doors before these committees. >> absolutely. mark, absolutely. i mean senator lindsey graham has spoken about this. there needs to be a thorough and full investigation. i know that rand paul also made same statements and hill wrote about it as well as on my site. we absolutely need full transparency. from the people that qowld have been directly involved in this

matter.. and that is -- john and former u.n. ams bass door and extraordinary and unmaskses that we've never seen before over 260 people unmasked even in the last days of her tenure.rm as u.n. ambassador. leaks, lindsay leeks, an leeks, all of the leeks do you remember there were 27 apparent even jeff sessions said thereat were 27 what's gone on with those and where was jon but american public we deserve that much and deserve to know what was happen whatting because every attempt e to listen in on carter page's conversations and therefore all of the people he was speaking to. everything was geared at either removing president trump impeaching him. or stopping him from becoming president.

that is a duly elected president of the united states of america we do not weaponnize our intelligence. >> let me ask you a questions -- both of you. how many leaks out of the fbi hurt hillary hillary clinton's n how many texts that we have read hurt or were focused on hurting hillary clinton and/or hurt campaign? none. that we're aware of, none. now know mccube was leading cue effort under 25th amendment at least this was my opinion that always seem to be the case. and he does book tours and he is celebrated by media and so forth. should this not also be a demand of the republicans that say -- go under this let's be on same of the democrats that they demand that they want to get to bottom of everything that occurred. >> there's a story that sarah did early on in this that i go

back to now that i think it is a oppression was about to come the last few days of barack obama's tenure before president trump was elected to the very end of october beginning of november. barack obama justice dpght and fbi walk v into the fisa court d said oh, heck we forgot to disclose all of the violations that wengts on five, six years andd going, enormous number the court was shocked. >> violation of what? >> civil liberty, fourth amendment protecting people the hundreds in this drop and late october and november. it is that story that sarah and wrote in march the day before thef mailbox to fit the mailboxa day before, and you look back at that and you're wondering why does barack obama wait until before election day to have a j's department go in and say we're cheating for five, six years we forgot to tell you you know you were in the justice department. cheating on fisa unmasking unprecedented rate. expansion of, however, since 2011. >> expansion of powers expansion of reporting information that

they get on fisa and wiretaps and espionage to more agent and departments to make it more likely to be leaked they did this on the way out the door. why? >> it had to be an effort set up trump.an or more importantly well certainly the changes in spreading secret information fisa information to more agencies in effort to more people have access more plausible to leaks. >> exactly. but i think that -- the decisions go into disclose violation if we're not in we better cover our tail on this what if donald trump wins and they come up with this and insulate themselves by disclosing it at the last minute but what it does is createses a picture of a intelligence apparatus that would knowingly being abused and nobody raised their hand until the very end. last t moment. >> when we come back i want to ask you and sarah about fisa court. these judges -- we now see all of this, all of r hands.

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don't require you to oversee what it created? >> i certainly believe based on information that john and i both gathered base on information that i'm gathering congress i've spoken to devin about this multiple times you know especially he shared the house eintelligent committee he's extraordinarily concerned, and about security court and surveillance court that has this story rosemary could easily. so she's the top dog of the secret court. >> she's the the chief. she is the chief and she actually can call for an evidentiary hearing now on carter page. there is a enough evidence there'sw enough information mae public and already partially his application has warrant has been made partially public to say okay we need an evidentiary hearing. we need to find out if there was exculpatory information withheld by the court as been charged we need to find out what's going on with this case and need to find out if the government lied to us

because -- >> here's the thing -- it's not even she -- right? the judge protecting the courtroom. the judge is protecting integrity of the law. the judge is supposed to protect the justice system. and a the judge blew it. and the judge blew it and there may have been four judge who blt for all we know because of the information or the lack of information that was provided to that court upon which she or others issued a counterwarrant to spy on american citizen. violating all of the fourth amendment rights. >> exactly. so why isn't this judge or any of these other judges why aren't they calling evidentiary hearings to hold people in contempt. perhaps send them to jail. shouldn't then be a single hearing on this has there? >> no there's not ban single hearing i know congress wants this to happen i don't know what the process is.

with this secret court if this does not happen. but i can tell you this -- in an interview that i conducted just not too long ago about a month agof with with now the ranking member, devin muñiz he said absolutely if this, if nothing is done, they want to revise everything that happened with the foreign intelligence surveillance court. and with the foreign intelligence surveillance act because there's nobody there to defend you as an american, in that court, if the government wants to spy on you. if the government 79 wants to violate your rights you would never have any idea carter page had no idea up until all of this started to break there was extremely violation of our civil rights of our liberties. >> earlier time back in 2002 and 2003 when robert mueller taken over the fbi the fisa court operateed the right way. and fbi was caught cheating on more than 79 fisa warrants. and bob mueller was hauled in personally as fbi director to face a court to see how do you

fix this?rs we will not stand for this this was uncomfortable position from documents i saw the court was unyielding and criticism and in the demand thaty they protect te fourth amendment better, and it was one of the most interesting elements is you want to see history repeat itself one of the things fbi had done was sought fisa warrant against somebody who hasn't told court was one of his own informant and they wanted to spy and in the dark what happens with carter page carter spag working for fbi and informer and another russia case, and they don't tell the court whene they then put a fia warrant on him history repeated itself because the fbi has not learned lessons how to play fair in that. >> what else did they do? they leaked the story to -- >> strategy to write a story in yahoo! news to take the story they leaked to a reporter. who happily reported it, put it in the fisa application among other things as a basis for getting warrant. i'm very troubled by this my own view is they abolish fisa court

system if they're not going to oversee it. judges have some answers to do and i want american people to know that impeachment clause that's not just for a senior official in the administration that's for judges too. and i'm not saying they should be impeached or saying we need a hearing inls impeachment but the ought to be a hearing to figure out what the hell took place. why congress really does have legislative oversight here because congress created them. >> and there seems to be other disinterest in this. there's a moment coming with inspector general from the justice department where all of the facts that the idea is found are going to be put into the open that's going to give the court. >> this century or next century? >> this -- this summer thankfully -- i know. but i do too. may even come before summer he'n working on it for quite some time and inspector general for what it is worth we have heard extraordinary good things about this gentlemen. he is very tight lipped nothing is leaking from the justice

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>> you know this whole thing has been bizarre. we have a special counsel appointed without any criminal are statue triggered nos the way it is supposed to work appointed by the individual who recommended the president that he should fire comey rosenstein. and one of the reasons they give for pointing him is firing of comey at least comb m thinks so. rosenstein oversees mueller one of his close friends. even though rosenstein recommended combny fires okay so we've got that. the mueller investigation goes

whenever it has to go and m.a.d.d. incline manhattan but all of the other stuff beginning on over here -- it is like he's a horse with one eye patch. he just keeps running in circles over here, would say hey, the hillary campaign got the dnc, you've got this dossier and foreign individuals involved. you've got all kiengdz of things taking place over here you might want to look not -- that's not part of my response but i'll go after mail and tax fraud and go after this one, that one for false statements withhi flynn we've got flynn whe we want. what about this? this just drives half of the country nuts. so we need a special counsel to complete withri mr. mueller started. >> you know, there's a new sheriff in town named barr to give him opportunity because a lot of this could be handled by a nonpartisan bias with the department just fine. there are serious issues that need to be looked at that have been to the side for a very long

time. if the attorney general doesn't feel he can do that with the independence he needs you can go that way. but the justice department is very good at solving very simple issues. i mean, there's a model for this too outside of the justice department after 9/11 we didn't want 9/11 repeated i hear a lot of people say we don't want she then begans repeat wed did a special commission and we air ad everything. the fbi had to say yeah we missed that we miss that and didn't connect those dots we have to have the fbi come out an come to recognition what it did wrong here and only way to do that, is to have a public hearing or to have a prosecution of people so that we can make sure that the people who are ever tempted to play with the laws and to play politics with the intelligence will never -- >> i agree with commission idea. i've suggested it myself -- but don't have subpoena power and can't charge or force people -- >> needs to be two. >> what do you think? >> based on what i'm hearing from all of the sources that i've talkedd to, i mean, i'm

getting phone calls on this all of the time i have to be completely honest it it is every day there are a lot of people that are concerned that, you know, attorney general barr won't go able to get independent enough prosecutor to really handle this. i know that's some people's concern. i have seen more and more people lean towards a second special counsel which i know drives everyone nuts because it can take forever. it's so -- widede in its scope. it is very frustrating, i think it is frustrating for so many people that were closely involved in this people don't want to see justice. that they really are demanding that something be done i think most important thing is that attorney general william barr not sweep any of this under the rug. but go at it full force on the offense eve on the observancive both with the fbi and the doj, allow michael horowitz to do his report. we need to find out what john was doingng remember he was appointed and he was supposed to -- >> i think he placed himself in

the witness protection program. >> i do too. because -- apparently very few people -- yeah he's been hard to find. nobody wants to answer a question i contacted d.o.j. not too long ago is he living in utah, where is he at? >> i i have a fun story about jon -- because it couldn't happen excepte in real life. [laughter] last november, this was the u.s. attorney who was asked to go ahead to investigate -- all things clinton. all things. yeah. so i get ahold of a document it is in the irs whistle-blower or complaint put together by a professional law enforcement people might have been pcriminality inside the clinton foundation. and my story comes the gets a lot of attention congress is about to hold hearings. john huber office calls him the gentlemen who wrote this could have a copy of it he said sir we sent it to you nine months ago he didn't know he had it that tells you something about maybe -- i think a lot of people in the justice department think human t

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if you need help lowering your a1c, ask your doctor about once-weekly trulicity. >> sarah carter john solomon sara, i look at it this way, the president of the united states was a victim of a really outrageous scandal. icand he's investigated a a perpetrator now it is time to finds out who perpetrators are. is our government prepared to do that? >> they have to be. they have to be prepared to do that. and i would also agree with you on that point. i think you know, since, since prior to his presidency his prior to getting elected, president trump has been the target whether somebody likes him or not isn't the point. the point being -- >> by the way i happen to like him. but anyway -- yeah. >> yeah no but saying based on

whatever anybody feelings are politically that's what i'm talking about not personally but politically he wasit the targetf a group of people that were intense to take him out. or to impeach him or to ensure he wasn't elected. he still is. absolutely and every team he triedd to defend himself, any time he opened his mouth or sent out a tweet or acted out of frustration because he wasas the target. it would be like h oh, look now, now we're going accuse him of obstructing he continue even defend himself. there's something wrong with that and it is absolutely up to the department of justice to investigate this.s. >> we'rere going to get to the bottom of who perpetrating this immense scandal. >> i think we will, and i think there's a growing body of evidence that there was foreign intrusion into the election. but it was on behalf of hillary clinton and that we've just a little to the east of russia and ukraine. we are beginning to see significant evidence that clinton campaign and people in ukraine were collaborating

certainly they want to help hillary clinton get elected and use their official powers in ukraine to get that done. the evidence is starting to spillff out there's an investigation launched in ukraine if that happens there's a whole new avenue and i think all of this will tie neatly british foreign national named christopher steele some in ukraine colluding to get this false story into the united states election cycle l. >> how many committees in congress are going to look into that? >> we know for sure lindsey graham for sure i think ron johnson some of the senators and republican senate have a ukraine scheduled for this month keep an eye on those i think there's evolving story that could be -- important development in this narrative. it is going to boom rang it is a narrative boom rang. >> let me say this you two have been remarkable journalists this as an of american citizen i want to thank you because -- you're few and far between. and that's a fact. thank you very much.

>> thank you. been a pleasure. been a pleasure -- see you next time on life, liberty, and levin. ♪ welcome to waters world i'm jesse waters a huge show in store for you tonight including president trump touring the newest section of the wall being built. diamond and silk take on joe biden groping allegation as and the author of a new tell all about view is here, whoopi versus joy it is crazy and we have a special waters words on freedom of speech. mark levin will react to that. but first sean hannity is back. taking his second dip into waters world, i spoke with him earlier. >> welcome to waters world.