♪ mark: hello america, i am mark levin this is life libl libertyd levin, lora logan thank you. >> thank you. mark: you report all over the world, very dangerous places. your last slot was with cbs, 60 minutes, have you been with a lot of important media companies, reported out of afghanistan. in the middle east, including egypt, you respecte -- reportedt

brebenghazi, a little a lot of n our time. you did a podcast with a former navy seal. i want to read you something ted koppel said. the other day, i'm concerned when you talk about the "new york times" these days, you talk about the "washington post," we're not talking about the "new york times," of 50 years ago, not talking about the "washington post" of 50 year ago. we're talking about organizations that i believe have in fact decided as organizations, that donald trump is bad for the unite united stae have things appears on front page of "new york times" right now that never would have appeared 50 years ago, analysis -- and comment pear o commentar. and the perception that establishment press is out to

get him, does not mean that the great journalist does nothing but motion that must of us look upon don as a fiasco he is not mistaken in that perception, when so many of liberal media for example describe themselves belongs to the resistance, what does it mean, have you experienced this. >> i have, i was cheering when i heard it reported on what ted koppel said, i thought, wow. finally. someone else is standing up. and i'm not alone. any more, it is just me, i'm easy to crush. but it is myself, and ted koppel, and there was a -- new york times that came out, said the same thing. from paper of record against donald trump, and so, what you seeing is growing number of figures, and this restores my faith in journalism, i know these people are there.

i know i'm not alone ranger, i'm not only one that remembers what great independent journalism is supposed to look like. i know i am not only journalist watching in horror as opinions are given as facts. and without any regard for the consequences of what they are doing, journapp -- journalist walk hand and hand with propaganda groups, and pushing forward narratives that are not based on fact or journalism buts oare political -- thinly disguised. there are one set of people that are not fooled by it. they lack context, they lack information. but they know in their guts,

that is the audience, the viewers, the readers, all of the people, the. whether they are democrats or republicans who are lining up to have to conversation right now. who know that something is not right. and that is why they are turning away from the news, not watching and why they are frustrated. and that is why they are so little trust in faith in the media these daysing and responsibility begins with us. mark: why do you think this is the case? why do you think one party, is so upick. -- ubiquitous. what is it. a social circle? or they hire one another? >> in my experience there are several parts to this no secret

that vast majority of actemic-- academic institutions are liberal here. i want to be clear, i am an independent thinker, now body owns me, i am not owned by left or right. a have been falsely labeled to be politically motivated. what bothers me, one political yelleideology dominates all of r academic institutions, that same ideology dominates our newsrooms, almost all. until fox news, in television, where did you go if you were not liberally minded or moderate if you like? if you wanted to hear an alternative point of view or a conservative point of view, where did you go? there was nowhere to go. fox newknocks news -- fox news o

successful there are so many americans that want a different point of view, that i want to hear anything else, most people look at a sample of all different kinds of media. mark: fox is under attack by cnn and. >> then their hosts are under attack, they cannot tolerate one platform that does not do the dance? >> yes. because, when they are all sings from the same hymn sheet, their butts are covered. nobody is challenging them, nobody is holding them to account for about what they are reporting, we go sailing along thinking we're doing outstanding work. a incredible reporter said, gary webb. he was guy who broke story about cia involve in crack cocaine on streets of america and funding rebels. and using drug money to do so.

gary web bb won pill pulitzer te was -- away, he shot himself in the head, twice. he then i realized. it was not because i was so great, and my work was so good, it is because i never written anything important enough to suppress. that ended with gary webb having no career, no family, he lost his life, when you stay in the bubble in the narrative that dominates the media industry, that is a stave place t -- seice place tsafeplace to be, no one g after you. they target the fox news hosts,

morning tonight, they have an army of people, who are paid to do this. that is their job. every day when they wake up, they look for ways to destroy them. mark: they feed other media outlets, they are more than happy to use the opposition research on the hosts. >> think about it, you have a profession that is dominated by one political ideology, and propagandists that are feeding that, they a agree with each other. not all journalists, just because you are liberal does not mean that you can't be a dre a t journalist. fortunately there are principles of great journalism that exist outside of politics, but what we have is we're human. we have things -- we're all predisposed to believe people we agree with and like. more so than we do people that we think you know, are -- we

don't agree with so, have you fertile ground for this to make root, confident you have laziness and reporters just happy to pick up a phone, you ad report whatever they aring to, it is the white house or fbi or somewhere, where their butts covered. no one will held them to arkan f they have a source. what changed have you a press core that works hand in hand with propaganda organizations, aid thpolitical agenda. ted koppel said, people are part of the resistance. that is what i meant. they forgot how to be journalists, which we -- what we are supposed to be, they have

become political oper op first - they don't like anything about him, it called resisting the normalization of donald trump. media matters for america, put this to their donors and funders and supporters they will resist normalization of donald trump, you are not allowed to look at policy, of this administration and evaluate it ons had merits or. not -- you people said this president does not help himself with his style. and i say, just sure that is true. you know he rubbed every the wrong way at some point, style is not his strong, but how much would his style matter if we spent 50% of the time talking about his style instead of 98% of the time, and sphif 50% of te

actually look at his policy, would we care so much about his style then. donald trump will be known forever as least popular president in america that is the predetermined outcome they want. and what disappoints me, and what really i find concerning, i am concerned by the number of journalist bhos who take a polil position still expect and demand the legitimacy of being objective and independent and being you know open and balanced and fair. these are not people who are open minded. your minds have become closed, until we recognize that will continue sewing seeds of our own death and destruction. they are too happy to see is pure ourselves -- to bury

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mark: i notice there is a lot of personalties in journalism, these people were not seeking drama. they were not known because of drama, they were known because there were so few media outlets. but with 24/7 news, it looks like almost a drama class in high school, people are fighting to get at front was line, in particular who comes to mind, is jim acosta, cnn. president's press conferences, to me, freedom of press is about

american people, learning what is going oasked tough questions, holding powerful people accountable. but not giving speeches and being disruptive and undermining the process, am i wrong? >> i have been a journalist for 30 years. and i have been in many press conferences, with many different presidents in all different places, been at white house, and been you know in baghdad. when you had visiting secretary of defense. i have never seen the press corps behave the way they do today. it standing out to me, this is a departure i've seen last 3 decades, i will say, that curious about this i went to cnn web site as i do when i am look across landscape at different media, i see headlines, about cnn anchor, taking apart trump adviser, cnn anchor destroys

trump this or that. i am surprised by how much of news on their web site is about their anchors and their reporters and their analysts, attacking and destroying anything that the white house says and does. that to me is symbolic of the problem. but, there is something actually much more significant about what you see happen with white house press corps. donald trump has shown everyone, just with his sweet stwi -- swer accounts he changes the way how the president of the u.s. u.s. communicates. why is donald trump not allowed to do that? why is me not allowed to change how the white house operates in terms of its communication, and

rules of white house press corps and how they happen, he is not allowed to be seen as an instrument. change or normalized as a president, whatever thainch chae makes has to be resist by resistance. and one thing, a group gloattackers, they used rules to stop white house from allowing breitbart to attend any press conferences. why? if you change the rules, then people like media matters, they will not be able to use those rules to their advantage. they don't' you to change the rules.

that is what they don't want. they don't want alternative points of view. they don't want conservative points of view. they don't want to empower website like breitbart or anyone else. and they don't want anyone to have the ability to communicate their message directly, they wanted to be filtered. they are dominated by one political ideology. and deliver their message, all this stuff about jim acosta is masks something more sinister and threatening to me as a journalist. it means we don't want a democracy or freedom of thousand and discussion. mark: is journalism dead. >> no. >> it will never die. mark: there are journalists doubt there. >> yes. mark: just out numbers. >> yes, and bullyed and silenced. some of them maybe -- they are

doing it in a more subtle way than i am. the way they was trying to do it. that have been trying for years. you have amazing journalists, cacarlata at "new york times" ad rich at network i new york time. i don't say this because i'm trying to ill va toggle vate one in-- trying to elevate one institution. but these are great journalists that i know. there are a lot. mark: he runs cnn. he got a first amendment award for a real, out there is a we believe in telling the truth. is cnn the example of the opposite? can you tell the difference between journalists and opinion givers over at cnn? i cannot. >> well, that is a very

interesting question. i was wondering myself this morning, is don lemon an union important. i know sean hannity is, they make no secret of it, but what about don lemon. what about people like don lemon? i can't tell. but i can tell that there is not a lot of -- there is a lot of opinion in his show. that is 100%. almost all opinion. >> the media guy who appears to be antifox guy. >> i use brien as a road map. high lay its all therhigh -- hes news letter he does every day. you can be certainly will follow

the line, to the letter on every one of those talking points, he will push them, people who are you know all in this network, michael call calderon and othe others. they fly their flag for this particular yellology, they push it forward, you see it, once you see the patterns, you know what is good, people are starting to recognize these patterns. mark: i want to get into this when we come back. how you are being treated now had. that have you been more public or noticed by the public in terms of your comments, we'll be right back. i switched to liberty mutual, because they let me customize my insurance. and as a fitness junkie, i customize everything,

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dedication and commitment to keep our country safe from all threats and hazards. according to white house sources, president trump apparently asked for nielsen's resignation because he wants the toughest cop on order security. the u.s. customs and border commissioner will take over as acting head of that department. now back to life, liberty and levin thematic what has been the reaction over the last six weeks since you did the podcast interview, since you done hannity show, others show, what's been the reaction. >> first i had a workout what everyone was calling and e-mailing about because it was such a shock. i had no idea there would be such a reaction that would catch fire like that and it

was trending on twitter for two days. that's a big deal. so, in my world, i have learned very, very well to tune out anything that's negative. i just don't pay attention to the detractors because they know they come from a really bad place. i was raised to live my life to be true to who i am and stand up for what's right and that's all i'm doing. actually, what's rate is all the journalists who have reached out to me directly or through other people. that's how bad it is. journalists are afraid to send you a note on their work account because supporting what you are saying, because of that threatening to their career. what i say is, as a journalist in america, were not free. we can't do a story interviewing scientists about who disputes the science on

climate change because if you do that story, if you really are just interested in the science and you want to understand this better and you're trying to figure out what's true and what's not true and you're trying to understand. self, that's now a political no-no. that's the end of your career. you talk to scientists and they tell you the same thing. you can't get a research grant if you want to look, if you're going to question that science. that means were not free. we don't have the freedom to do whatever story we want to do and investigate what we want to investigate. we live in a society where people are telling us it's okay to have that conversation. that conversation is not allowed. you cannot have that conversation. the way they've done it is to claim the moral high ground on everything. we have the morally superior position. if you deviate from our position at all, you have no moral authority and you are a terrible person. that to me, there are lots of

people who know in their hearts that that is not right and they want to stand up against that and just want to do honest, independent journalism. the great thing about this is that now with ted koppel coming on and saying what he said, i'm hopeful that more journalists will stand up. the best journalist that heart , were just a bunch of nosy people and we resist all forms of control. that's who i am. i resist all forms of control. just as my husband. >> how has the public responded to you. >> great. in fact it's really interesting because long before i did that podcast i've been talking about this and i honestly traveled the length during the speaking. [inaudible] i talked to 2000 people in tulsa oklahoma. they leapt to their feet when i was done. honestly, i had the same reaction in campbell california and portland oregon and pittsburgh and i believe

this is a nonpartisan issue. this is not a left right issue. it's misused by propaganda and it's dominated by one political ideology which makes it political. it has another dimension to it that is just as significant and even more powerful. that is that it speaks to what's inside everything the one of us. that's what it's really about. >> do you think we have more or less freedom of the press? what i mean by that is the press is free, really nobody's telling the press what to do. we enforce like we did in the past, you don't have journalists going to prison. >> you have economic terrorism. working to take your advertisers away if you say things we don't want you to fate. you have social media terrorism where we destroy your whole career and your whole life and make you unemployable. >> but not from the government, not from this

administration. the prior administration when after a new york times reporter for seven years, held prison over his head. the prime administration went after a fox reporter, the obama administration when after the associated press, 20 different reporters were surveilled at one point or another. other administrations have, not the trump administration. >> the political began to that targeted me, look at the white house visitor logs. they were going to the white house twice a week, sometimes you can take their talking points and near that with what the white house was saying. this propaganda organization that was inside the white house is also inside the media and silencing people. i am not political. i would agree with you, yes, there's no question, just look at the numbers. with the last administration

did in the number of journalists that were prosecuted was extraordinary. not just prosecuted but they were illegal tactics that we used. what they did to the associated press without following the law, that wasn't right. if you're following her lawsuit, it's very significant. that woman has made, she's one of the bravest woman i've ever known. when i say that they say don't mention cheryl, you'll be cast as a right-wing person. i mention her because she's honest, she's an amazing journalist and she's unbelievably courageous. she has carved her own path and she's standing up for her rights. >> i agree with you. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪. ♪ here i go again on my own ♪ goin' down the only road i've ever known ♪

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is an attack on the press. i've never encountered a white house that ever took questions from a journalist they didn't want to take questions from. i've never encountered a white house that didn't control how they communicated with the media. in my experience as a journalist, whether it's the state department or the white house or the pentagon, they are always in control of how they communicate. i have never seen this as a threat. i've never felt threatened by any of it as a journalist. i know what it is to be threatened as a journalist. i know what it is when you're on the battlefield or you're in a very difficult situation with a hostage threat and you're just trying to survive. i know what it is to be targeted. in egypt when they declared journalist the enemy of the state, i was gang raped and sodomized and almost murdered. i know what it is to be

targeted and i would never, i will stand by every single journalist who is put at risk, but i do not find, trump railing against the press as a threat to press freedom or a threat to my personal safety. i just, i don't believe those dots connect that to news propaganda. i say to any journalist that takes moral courage to do this job properly and the way it's supposed to be done. it takes moral courage to stand against the tide and not just go with the flow. maybe the flow is where you honestly believe the story to be and that's fine if that's your almost independent assessment beth one thing, but i have to say i agree with you. for me as a journalist, i don't find this threatening. >> you reported from afghanistan also. >> i did. many years in afghanistan.

>> you been in some very hard countr country. >> five years living in baghdad at the height of the violent. >> were women not treated very well or respected. >> no. >> what's that like. >> in a few days since the united front made their triumphant entry, life has changed dramatically. all the 37 suicide bombers when i came in for the first time when they took the city from the taliban in 2001. [inaudible] >> strangely enough there is double standard in those societies in turn of foreign women. as a foreign woman i was able to do things that no local woman would've been able to do. in afghanistan, for example when i was there the taliban controlled 95% of that country. women stayed indoors. there were prisoners, domestic prisoners. many women are still domestic

prisoners. i was going all over the country. half the time these afghan soldiers i lived with on the front line for like did she come from. very often i didn't wear a headscarf. i was always respectful, i wore it to be respectful in certain places and circumstances, but i wasn't wearing it to be a liar. i'm not going to go swarming around afghanistan pretending to everybody that i'm some kind of modest muslim islamic woman. i'm not. i'm a free woman from a freak country in a free press and i'm here to do my job. that's how i approach it. i found a lot of respect for that. i found the people i dealt with respected they knew who i was in the new wire was there and they knew i approached every story ever did with an open mind and an open heart. i didn't bring a whole bunch of preconceptions and they respected that. in fact, what i found is that

maybe ways i've been much more disrespected here in this environment as a woman than i ever was over there. >> that's very interesting. by whom? by organizations or media. >> i've been told, i've been called reckless. they go to the people who don't like you, let's face it, for every person that loves how you succeeded in what you've done, there's someone who doesn't. they can't find those people and they do a story about it and they say i'm reckless. how my reckless? who did i ever get killed. what did i ever do my career that can be called reckless? i did things that were as much as humanly possible for journalist to do. i was working hand-in-hand with the other people as a team and i tried to be smart about it.

the record of my work speaks for itself. why am i having to defend against a society that i'm reckless. would any man be called reckless like that? no. after egypt, i had to prove that i had erased everything, but i was the same person i was before before i was gang raped. because that was the only sign that i could possibly be seen. i was told that no little girl with hair like yours would ever be taken seriously as a war correspondent. i was told by the cmn bureau chief to go cut my hair if i wanted a job there. i dealt with a lot of things. at one point when i was at reuters international television, i had to channel all of the directions for breaking news stories through the bureau chief because the crew didn't want to be told by a young girl where they have to go and what they have to do. >> remarkable. we'll be right back.

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let me ask you this, with all the media attention on mickey mouse stuff, warfare, trying to take down the president of united states and so forth, there's a lot going on in the world. there's a lot going on in this

country. even though we have 247 news, that's not being covered. >> as a journalist that's part of my frustration because that's a war i've covered from the very, very beginning. my job is to say there's something incredibly significant going on we are still in this war. you have people jumping up about whether we should be there and no one's ever asked the question what are we doing. what are we doing here. what is our objective. what is our position on our side. i can talk to because i know some of these people and i've been talking to them, they don't know what they're doing. when the kurds are asking them about the turks in our position in all these other issues, the kurds who are fighting and dyin dying. when they asked this question, our people don't know what to

answer do they have an onset, they don't have an onset. their name is written all over the world. as part of the kurdish resistance and may deal them -- view them as terrorists that they're dealing with. we haven't dealt with any of these geopolitical issues. this is the most important question as a journalist that i can ask, is the job done. >> is it. >> is al qaeda defeated? >> can it be? >> what war in history was unwinnable. >> there unwinnable, but they never end. wars never end. there's always an enemy. there's always evil. that's why your base is overseas, that's why we have

nuclear weapons. when a war is over you don't just pack it all in. the war is unwinnable. the war in syria is unwinnable. were surrounded by a plethora of unwinnable wars. that is not how it works in real life. that automatically tells me that i should be thinking about this. i should be asking questions. there isn't a lot of room in the media today to be having these conversations and covering some very significant stories and that's frustrating for people. >> don't forget to join us on levintv. almost every weeknight, just sign up at 844 levintv. check us out at blaze tv.com/mark. we'll be right back. some things are out of

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laura logan, you covered benghazi and you got hammered for that. >> absolutely hammered. >> i will say this, there's a lot more to that rate than anybody knows. one of my favorite things to here is all these media reporting and propaganda standing up and saying that wasn't being politically targeted, that was a failure of journalism. okay, so that's the biggest joke of all. there was not a failure of journalism in that story. it's not good journalism that the use propaganda groups weren't out there. they weren't worried about the standard of their reporting. they want to eliminate anything they view as a threat. what they were trying to do is bury the substance of that story. greg hits looked at us on 60 minutes and he said or he said on the hill, i was much more

powerful when he asked the defense in just a few minutes into that attack if the calvary was coming and they looked at him and remember this is the man who became acting ambassador when chris stevens was under attack, a terrorist attack in his compound he looked at them and said well, he said i'm sorry greg, the calvary ain't coming. greg said, i felt sick in the pit of my stomach because those of us who go out on the end of our line. our country, we believe our country has our back in that minute, in that moment, i knew they didn't and i looked at him and i said we better tell the boys and two of those boys died that night. that was an al qaeda terrorist attack that was extremely well-planned and those things, the substance of our reporting

is what the obama administration and the progressive political movement and propaganda, that's what they want to bury because it didn't suit them politically to have the truth out about that. they picked the least important person in the story, they took two things he said and they cast into doubt which called into question and they made the story disappear. it was a race. now you have all that propaganda you read about, you don't have the ability to tell whether it's even true or not because you can't watch the story and make up your own mind. there was a lot of other significant reporting. think of all those people trying to tear that piece to shreds and they were only able to cast out over two things, one guy of three characters had to say and what i learned a lesson is that they're not going to come after you for the things that matter you. they will come after you and use the things that don't matter and they will use that to bury the whole thing.

>> you've been a great cast. thank you so much. >> that's our show. see you next time on life, liberty and levin. >> previously on scandalous, the trial of william kennedy smith. >> we had three women we wanted to testify that had done the same thing to them. i filed what's called a motion. the court denies the motion. >> of william kennedy smith was sitting here right now. >> if he didn't rape her, i would spit in his face. >> how much were you paid by current affairs. >> 25,015,000 for the second interview