and atlanta against the l.a. dodgers, the whole country was watching. he debuted in the big leagues only eight years after jackie robinson broke baseball's color barrier on this day. 45 years ago today. speech leverett >> sandra: that's right press >> sandra: that's it for us. things were doing as periods between five starts now. >> melissa: we are awaiting direction from homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen on her own resignation. as she is set to address the media from outside her home moments when uprooted will carry that life as it happens. this, as president trump announces that u.s. customs and border protection commissioner kevin mcaleenan will become acting dhs secretary. in the white house is suggesting new action on the border crisis. you're watching 325. i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. fox news contributor, jessica tarlov. host of "kennedy" on the fox business network, big smiles, kennedy. in the center seat, fox news

contributor and assistant editor of "the wall street journal" editorial, you can also watch him on "deep dive" hearing on our fox nation streaming servic service, james freeman's here. we say he's "outnumbered" but he's always whited home. >> melissa: one of the smartest people in the whole building, i want to add that here. >> james: wow, think he prayed like wise. thank you for extending the privilege to me of occupying the seat. >> kennedy: you'll have to apologize for it later. [laughter] >> james: i will! >> harris: it's monday, people. we'll move onto this. we are awaiting word directly from the former dhs secretary, kirstjen nielsen. she is stepping down after a white house meeting with president trump yesterday. she said she will stay on until tomorrow for a smooth transition. the administration sources are telling fox news the president asked resignation as he steps up efforts to face the migrants are jet our southern border. those sources also sing the

president wants the "toughest cop" around on border security. nielsen tweeting she will stay on the job until wednesday. in her resignation letter, writing, "i hope the next secretary will have the support of congress and the courts in fixing the laws which have impeded our ability to fully secure america's borders." the new acting dhs secretary, kevin mcaleenan, has a long record in border security. during a visit to texas, just last month, he warned that the border crisis was at a breaking point and reiterated that there are not enough agents to respond. former acting ice director tom homan says the president is making the right move in choosing mcaleenan. he also echoed nielsen's call for congress to deal with the border crisis. watch. >> i respect secretary nielsen. anybody that steps up to that most difficult job when congress isn't helping, the courts are stymieing you, it's a difficult job. i respect your service to the nation. we have to fix the asylum laws. that's up to congress. kevin can't do that,

unfortunately, we can do everything he can in his power. with this president, through executive action, to do whatever they can operationally that congress doesn't do legislatively. >> harris: on the flip side politically, democratic senator chris coons says the president is going too far in his actions at the border. >> he's asking for the department to do things that violate the law. he is more and more pressing for actions at the border that don't respect our treaty obligations, our domestic statutes on how we treat people seeking asylum. a group of us have continued to negotiate and talk regularly about it, but, frankly, as long as stephen miller -- it was a real hard-liner on immigration -- is advising the president and that's who he's listening to, he keeps moving the goalpost rather than working on us at a reasonable compromise. >> harris: james, i know the editorial page is doing its own coverage of this. what's happening there? >> james: i think that quote from secretary nielsen's letter said it all. the courts and congress have to

enable the new chief, whoever it is and however tough a cop they are, to address this problem. there is essentially a loophole where asylum laws are allowing people to come in and stay here in ways they were never intended. congress needs to clarify to judges, but so far no legislation. >> harris: i want to draw everyone's attention to the live picture you see on the left side of the screen. that is secretary nielsen's home, alexandria, virginia. we are expecting or at any moment to come outside and talk with reporters that are just beyond those microphones at the bottom of the screen center, that you see. as it happens we will bring it to life. if you see movement you may see us jump to that. kennedy, nielsen met with the president of the white house yesterday, sunday. it has been reported through the associated press' sources that she came ready to work on things, giving suggestions to shore up their relationship. what do you of that?

>> kennedy: i don't think she wanted to resign. i think she's an incredibly tough position and she is ultimately hamstrung by the structural deficiencies and inaction of congress. what i would implore some of the democrats who are running for the presidency to do is actually come up with a plan of action. i think they have confused criticism with action in it of itself. that's not action. i would like to hear someone like kamala harris or joe biden -- say, "here's what we have to do, here's our five step plan." it's so desperately needed right now. that's what leadership is. leadership is also compromise. chris coons saying that the president is mina and stephen miller is a big jerk, that's not action, either. what is his fiction of how you fix this right now? going forward you have few people who are caught up in the immigration net, which doesn't

do anything to improve their lives. >> harris: especially going and traditionally into a year where we see migration numbers cup up in those warmer months. it's statistically true. it's interesting -- kamala harris, emitted her. senator harris is the only 2020 hopeful on the senate ham land homeland security commission. how will this may be accomplished what kennedy has said. will she come up with ideas or will this be a deeper fight, politically? >> jessica: it's going to become an even deeper fight. whoever is nominated in the dash and it's some disagree with their piece to be about a line of succession. claire grady should actually be the acting dhs secretary and not mcaleenan. that's a tough one for me to pronounce. i have the code, its u.s. code -- >> harris: i thought you meant based on -- because mcaleenan worked under obama. >> jessica: i do know that, i'm not objecting to them. i'm just saying we may see claire grady in that role. he'll become a big fight. kamala harris was one of the

fiercest critics of secretary nielsen. there are a couple pieces of reporting about this that are important. first of all, that it could take over 18 months for children to be reunited with their parents who have been separated already. >> melissa: what if their parents are in their home country? to be hugged either way, kirstjen nielsen oversaw a policy of family separation. that is something that has damage to reputation. i'm sure for the rest of her life, and -- she didn't quit when it was part out there, which a lot of people were saying, "how can you possibly do something like this?" and the other piece of reporting that matters is apparently president trump had wanted to restart that policy and nielsen was pushing back on that. i don't know if it just became untenable that he -- >> melissa: how do you know you're not trying to keep those people with their smugglers? you talk about family separation, this is separating a child from an adult who may or may not be their parent.

"the new york times" did fantastic reporting on all of the rapes that are going on. and they say, "sexual violence has been an inescapable part of the migrant journey. yes, there was duck tape the hearing journey the harrowing journey of records across the board. >> jessica: we see children with her actual parents have been traumatized. >> kennedy: can i see some see some regular clicker that speaks to both of your points? we haven't come up with a system, that effectively separates those two entities. bad people who are abusing children and committing some of the most heinous criminal acts imaginable, and good people who want a better life. the federal government has not come up with a good system of separating of those people are. whether it's kevin mcaleenan or kirstjen nielsen or claire grady or whoever else, these bureaucracies aren't enough to change the immigration dynamic. the one i want to get james back in here.

reporting from the associated press is of the president in recent weeks had asked nielsen to close the ports of entry along the border and to stop accepting asylum seekers, which nielsen found ineffective and appropriate. yet, it was a 30-minute meeting that is being described as "cordial." and perhaps the president was determined to ask for her resignation. were they two ships passing in the night? >> james: if nielsen was pushing back on the idea of closing the border, good for her. melissa has obviously done a lot of reporting, more than a billion dollars a day of economic activity lost when you shut the border. we are talking here -- president trump has raised a good point. "let's have line order of the border." where he's wrong is where he's tweeting saying america is full. we are not full. we have a population growing at a historically low level, are under-18 population is actually shrinking. so the good people, the bad people separated law enforcement

of the border. this is what ideal could look like where we have more immigration of people who are not smugglers, who are not committing crimes. but we have more walking at people who are. >> harris: this is a systemic question. it has to do with how many people we have to do these jobs. we know that now -- i mean, november it was reported 2,000 job openings. now it's 3,000 we have a hiring and retention difficulty. there are a lot of reasons why. but it's broken, and that is systemic. you see some legislation out there, dan crenshaw and senator martha mcsally. working on that legislation to make that hiring and retention problem in the border patrol a focus. but you can't do that fast enough probably coming to deal with what's happening today. >> james: you can't do it at all if you don't have a political consensus. but i think this would be part of -- i think most people would

look at washington -- >> harris: melissa, now you have this influx. a broken system now is ushering in many, many more people that are detention centers and our border patrol and ice can handle at this point. >> melissa: that's true. the fall of the current administration that we are seeing, this flood, kirstjen nielsen was in a no-win situation. she was being asked to go out and enforce something where the law isn't there to help the system and to make it work. as things get worse and worse, he is saying to her, "why can't you do something?" he wants a push harder and show the board of trade i think to get everyone's attention and try and touch everything he has done along the way, in my opinion, on immigration, has been trying to force congress to act where they have sat on the couch and refused to do anything. and they like the fight better than the solution. both republicans and democrats and it's terrible. people are suffering as a

result. it's inhumane. people are suffering as a result of congress not acting. >> harris: james brought up the economic reporting. along that border, and with the economics will be if the president takes what he sees as a necessary step -- he understands keeping some of the ports of entry open. this was an update late last week in terms of the white house, because you want certain trucks and things with goods for cars and all that. you don't want the industry in america to be hampered by this or damage. but it's complicated along the border. >> melissa: i don't like the cost argument because we should be willing to pay a price in order to fix the problem and save lives. >> harris: i will cut in right now. kirstjen nielsen, she is the parting dhs secretary. she has handed the president her resignation. she has said that she believes in the man and supports the men, mcaleenan, who was coming in as the acting dhs secretary. secretary kirstjen nielsen pray let's watch. >> i don't have any new announcements. i just want to thank the

president again for the tremendous opportunity to serve this country. i am forever grateful and proud of the men and women of dhs who worked so hard every day to execute their missions and to protect the homeland. i really look forward to continuing to support them from the outside. i've spent the last 24 hours since yesterday talking with government officials, administration officials, members of congress to ensure a smooth transition. as you know, dhs is a vast array of missions. i want to make sure we continue to execute them all with excellence through the transition. i share the president's goal of securing the border. i will continue to support all efforts to address the humanitarian and security crisis on the border. other than that, i'm on my way to keep doing what i can for the next few days. thank you all for being here. [reporters asking questions] >> harris: sometimes we just give a few seconds for someone to walk away to see if they turn and take a question. we can hear them being shadowed

but it doesn't appear that it will happen. you heard the secretary nielsen there saying she didn't particularly have a new announcement to make today. but just wanted to express our thanks to the president for the opportunity again, to lead the great men and women of the department of homeland security. games, as we watch this news being made by the secretary, what are your first impressions now on a smooth transition this week, and how we might see a change in terms of actions -- which can be has been talking about at the dhs level? >> james: my first impression is that she's a class act. obviously there are a lot of grounds to take shots at politicians at both sides, and they gave her his impossible job to do. but she leaves with dignity. i think that's how she represented herself the whole time she was there. >> melissa: you really feel for her. it was an impossible situation. she has taken so much abuse. threats to her family, her life, to everything, to try and do what she thought best.

it's really been tough. >> harris: real quickly, kennedy, you said something that i thought was really resonating. she is an incredibly tough position. does that change for mcaleenan? >> kennedy: no, it doesn't change the bureaucracy on the way that part of the federal government is laid out. i do think that she should say in government and focus on cybersecurity, because i think that is an equally big threat. that is her background and area of expertise. >> harris: what's next? as we know from our enemies around the globe. former vice president joe biden getting pushback from any and his party after joking about the allegations against him. the effect on his possible presidential run. plus, the battle over president trump's financial records is escalating. house democrats are demanding years of his tax returns, and the white house is promising that they will "never" see them. the winners and losers in this fight. we will debate. >> if you came out tomorrow and give them you will report to the entire press corps, unredacted,

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♪ >> melissa: the battle over president trump's financial records is intensifying. acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney vowing that democrats will never see the president's tax returns, after the democrat house and weighs committee chairman sent a letter to the irs last week demanding six years of them. it is the first time in 45 years that such a request has been made of a sitting president. here is mr. mulvaney with bill hemmer on fox news sunday. >> you believe democrats will never see the president's tax returns? >> no, never.

nor should they. keep in mind, that's an issue that was already litigated during the election. voters knew the president could have given his tax returns. they knew they didn't and they elected him anyway. which, of course is what drives the democrats crazy. they know they will get this. it is on the attention on the issue because they don't want to talk to us about politics. >> melissa: but the assistant speaker of the house, democrat ben ray luban, defending the push for detaining the tax records. speak of the president said he would voluntarily share his tax returns. he has refused to do so. congress used its authority when republicans were in charge back in 2014. it was used under president nixon, president ford, and over saying, mess delicacy present, share your taxes as you promised and make sure you're following the same rules and laws as everyone else. >> harris: james, it's interesting -- i guess it start with the legal argument. one side is saying that you're only allowed -- this group can only request records if they are trying to get insight into legislation. and there is no way that you can

make that stretch, that he would need it. the other side, the other group or saying, "well, this is about their role in oversight and making sure that even the highest office in the land isn't above the law." but that implies that he cheated on his taxes. >> james: well, yeah -- she did say to voters at one point that he was going to release them. maybe eventually he will. enforcing promises to voters is not necessarily the job of the congress. >> melissa: that would be a disaster pay [laughter] no time to do anything else! [laughter] >> james: but the oversight power is intended for the ways and means committee to understand the taxes and figure out how to structure it. this particular type of tax, reason of revenue, maybe this one to be more efficient. you can see that in the justifications, trying to squeeze this oversight authority into something to do with this

specific person. just because he's president, he has rights just like everybody else. it's obvious this is not intended for the purpose which those oversight abilities were created. >> harris: real quickly coming to back that up -- individual income tax returns including those of public figures are private information protected by law from unauthorized disclosure and the internal revenue service is barred from releasing any information whatsoever except to authorized agencies and individuals. >> melissa: so they say they are an authorized agency. >> jessica: right, because of the fact that it says the height of the irs "shall furnish close with the tax returns we have had everyone textured since nixon. jimmy carter put his peanut farm in a blind trust. the present fought tooth and nail to not have to divest the level that many have been comfortable with. the argument they are making about the taxes is multi-pronged. they they want to know what he's paying taxes, what is benefiting from. harry's benefiting from all

this. we found out that he was trying to make a tower in moscow, for instance -- what kind of dealings were there with foreign entities question on influence there? people want to know how rich the president actually is. >> harris: who are these people? as mulvaney pointed out, america voted. >> jessica: america voted -- >> harris: i'm seriously wanting to know. are they the electric? where are these people l-uppercase-letter? >> jessica: they are people in the electorate , people on capitol hill, supporters of the president who i'm sure he thought would do this. >> harris: have you talked to these people? >> jessica: i like to see them. you've got one, jessica tarlov. you might have another one on the couch. >> james: as journalists -- >> jessica: he said he couldn't because under audit paired presidents in the past have been under audit and released it. we don't even know if he actually is under audit. this is somebody who has manipulated many schemes, even how trump tower is done.

it's only branding exercise. >> melissa: the only problem with that argument is that, as forbes has reported again and again, he has lost a fortune being president. anyone with a financial brain at all knew that you lose money when you take any brand out in the political sphere, because half the people who like to immediately hate you. >> kennedy: the long-term branding -- can i add a couple of things here? one, i think this is totally politicized. the entire exercise. to cope, i think he should release the tax returns. everyone who is running for president and who is president should release the tax returns. but that's how i feel about pretty much everything pretty shouldn't withhold things from us. he's not a private citizen, is the president of the united states. we have a right to see some of this documentation. don't forget how incredible he politicized the irs was under lois warner. i don't necessarily trust -- >> harris: that's interesting. >> melissa: some critical words for the democratic party from president obama. he warns of the divide between

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kind of rigidity, where we say, "i'm sorry, this is how it's going to be," and then we start sometimes creating what's called a "circular firing squad." where you're shooting at your allies. >> kennedy: midtempo house speaker nancy pelosi painting a rosier picture, telling "the washington post" she will secure the house for democrats during the tradition of the elections by this november. this comes as "the new york times" reports the house democratic campaign arm is close to open warfare with the party's rising liberal wing. political operatives posted nancy pelosi -- they are so ashy -- trying to shut down primary challenges from the far left. she won her seat, blasting the democratic congressional campaign committee's move to break business ties with political consultants and pollsters who work for primary

challenges. across io cortez tweeting, "the d.c. cc new rule to blacklist and boycott anyone who does business with primary challengers is extremely divisive and harmful to the party. my recommendation -- if you are a small-$ donor, pods or donations to the dccc i give directly to swing candidates instead." the campaign arm chair woman, cheri bustos, stated by the committee decision. saying, "if are going to be successful as democrats and going into 2020 with very fragile majority, we've got to be on the same team. every cent we can, to hang out down mike on to a majority and not work against ourselves. i see you shaking your head. are you shaking your head at alexandria alexandria kaiser cortez, trying to use her part of the party against the establishment? >> jessica: yes. [i was doing a positive headshake to president obama

speaking in berlin about this. this scares a lot of democrats at their purity tests being put against people who have been moderate or left-leaning moderates their entire careers. what happened with dianne feinstein in california i think was one of the most extreme cases of this, were a number of people were arguing that she was like a charm. people in the progressive side, she has committed 30 years to fighting climate change and social justice issues. what i think is interesting, teresa's point -- we've got to support each other in 2016. there was a problem with the bernie faction getting on board with hillary. but alexandria ocasio-cortez tweeted about mike levin, a congressman in california. her tweet alone supporting him raised $3,000. in an hour. that's important to pay attention to. because she does have that kind of power. people who are progressives -- and i love that ro khanna comes on the network, he's part of that wing. but there has to be a balance between supporting the dccc, which has been a wonderful fund-raising and support system

for democrats, and also taking matters into your own hands. if you want to tweet support for somebody, go ahead and do that. but there's no reason to be tearing down infrastructure that supports democratic candidates. >> kennedy: the two-party system seems to be anachronistic at this point. there are so many competing factions. it is impossible to bring them together? >> james: i think there is democratic -- i think this democratic primary campaign will be interesting. obviously barack obama knows how he will be elected. it was running as a post-partisan he would. not a lot of sharp ideological message. i think he is looking at what's happening now, where bernie sanders -- for example, every senate democrat running for president, to endorse the green new deal. which includes socialized medicine. if these are the purity tests at -- >> jessica: not all of them have. >> james: with a ball cosponsored the green new deal. some of them later said, "i meant it," or, "i didn't mean it." but that's a tough sell to the american people. if you have to have this hard

ideological edge to win the nomination. >> melissa: what we are talking about here is money. that's what they are talking about. who you were support and who you will help. they say that every cent has to go in this direction. i hate having -- this is what we all talk about all the time. money and politics mary all the time. i called on friday, he said there's been a huge sea change in terms of fund-raising, that used to be the few big donors and i would really is about the grassroots individual small donors. that's where the big money is. which has changed everything, and it's fascinating. like you said, those tweets and the individual people really count now. >> harris: grew quickly you are seeing a coupling about message in the smaller donation. if he gets the 13th state that has pushed in primary season and beyond, for single votes to count rather than the electoral system. obviously that is about 2020. but the two go hand-in-hand. you have an idea of who will vote based on the smaller donations. you see certain states trying to push for that, among democrats. because it's important.

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♪ >> jessica: president trump and some top republicans sharpening their focus on the origins of the russia probe and special counsel mueller's appointment. this, as ag william barr's self-imposed mid-april deadline to release more of mueller's findings approaches. trump tweeting this weekend, "the phony dossier was a con job that was paid for by cricket hillary and the dnc's that 13

angry democrats were investigating the end that never happened and was in fact they made up fraud. this russian hoax never happened to another president and law enforcement must find out, how did it start?" meantime, top house intel devin nunes' syndicate referrals to the justice department. he says they considered alleged misconduct, including leaks of highly classified material and conspiracy to lie to congress and the fisa court. let's listen. >> we've been working so hard for two and a half years, waiting for a really attorney general -- which we have now, we embark on a grown up is finally in the room. which is why we are prepared to give a lot of cleanup here. we have eight referrals that we are prepared to send over to the attorney general this week. >> jessica: i continue to be a little confused about how president trump feels about the mueller team. total exoneration, or fiction angry democrats? anyway, kennedy, i know you're a big advocate for more transparency about the fisa process. >> kennedy: absolutely.

we need to see more of that. we need to figure out how these investigations come to be, and if there is an abuse of that process. if you have a lot of power concentrated in a few individuals with almost no oversight, and so much is done in secrecy, then you have an environment that is rife with corruption. that is very problematic for this administration and any future administrations. and the president is right -- i think whatever euphoria he felt when william barr said that he was exonerated, now he turns to the whole process and say, "wait a second, why do we waste the last two years when peter strzok texted to himself?" that there is no there there. he knew it, he wants to. he was at the end of the hoover clinton investigation. so something is rotten in the state of -- >> jessica: do think this matters? we are waiting to report to come out come obviously, but do think this is a winning approach

republicans? >> melissa: i want to know -- it feels like one side is listening in on the other side in the heat of an election. that's when we last left off. so i want to know more about that. with all these things, there is an essential question that everybody who is very focused on the issue wants to know. it's different, depending on whether it's been because you are this. when it comes out, there is a "dun dun dun eczema" as if something will happen but it never does pay that's disappointing. the average market person would like to know about the economy and jobs in health care and review border security. >> harris: about to head to iowa, head of that town hall this week and i've been traveling back and forth and talking to voters. women in particular. i've asked this question about the mueller report. "what you want to know?" people have told me on both sides of the metal go while they care about how things get started because that's the part of this process that can affect any american. nobody seamless enough that you might get all of these different

attorneys and everybody focused in on one person. may be, but they don't think that's likely. but the kick off of things is very important. very few people can take a microscope look at their lives out of context and defend it before a federal prosecutor. under oath. that's difficult and friending people. they want to know the system is set up in a fair way. >> james: is close to the heart of a republic. we ought to know how the surveillance tools of the federal government, which we were all told were given to the government to go after terrorists and bad guys and foreign enemies, was turned on that opposition political party. >> kennedy: yes. it's supposed to keep us safe but it really is undermining the freedom of the entire state. >> jessica: on that uplifting note, let's talk about joe biden. [laughter] former vice president joe biden joe biden -- maybe future president? facing growing criticism over his response to allegations. [laughter] >> harris: kennedy is giving you -- >> jessica: she's sniffing me. growing questions about how this might crowd down my cloud has

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♪ >> my responsibilities to not invade the space of anyone who was uncomfortable. i hope it wasn't taken that way. but there was -- i literally think it is incumbent upon me and i think everybody else to make sure that if you greet someone, touch someone, it's with their consent, regardless of intention. >> melissa: that was former vice president unlikely 2020 candidate joe biden on friday. he tried to walk back some of his comments after facing criticism during his first speech since seven women came forward alleging unwanted touching. he joked about the issue, not once but twice. now the first accuser to speak publicly, former nevada lawmaker lucy flores, tweeting, "it's clear that joe biden hasn't

reflected at all on how it is appropriate and unsolicited touching made women feel uncomfortable. to make light of something as serious as consent degrades the conversation women everywhere are courageously trying to have." potential 2020 candidate democratic senator michael bennet says the biden controversy is not funny. watch. >> i don't think anybody should make jokes about it. i think this is a really important time in our country's history when women are coming forward and able to say when they have been made to feel uncomfortable. whether in a way or a nonsexual way. people's forces should be heard on that. the question of whether it's disqualifying or not, i think that's up for the voters in the democratic primary and the general election to the side. >> melissa: democratic senator chris coons defending biden's response. watch. >> whether or not, in speaking to a union rally, he was sufficiently serious where he

demonstrated that it's -- every time he is hugging an adult male union leader or putting his arm around someone, he is still thinking about it. processing it. i think that was, frankly, progress. i think at the end of the day what matters here is his record. >> melissa: obviously, "snl" had to have something to say about that. zoe -- can we shall not, as wel? >> she's looking for a candidate who could be dump truck. >> coming in a guy that actually brags about assault on paper? oh, okay. >> unlike his voters, your voters actually care. >> my god, granddad! >> lo five. boom, boom, boom! let's hug it out come america, what do you say? biden and someone in 2020! >> melissa: okay, that was pretty funny. jessica, a lot of opinions on how he came out of this. what do you think?

>> jessica: i think he's come out of it really well. if there aren't more accusations that come forward, he's going to be fine. they probably will be, but he also heard for months to people coming out there and supporting him. talk about his record. he's going to give people the biggest record of people -- i guess bernie sanders, a comparable amount of time to go back to. if far left progressives want to get them, you can talk about the crime bill. you can talk about all sorts of things. >> harris: people within your party, progressives against -- why do you think they picked this issue? there are others out here. there is the prison -- questions about the family connection with ukraine. one of his family members. >> jessica: but he's not even in the. >> harris: i'm just asking, what is he picket? >> jessica: i think michael bennet is right. >> melissa: seven women, just compare that's a lot. >> jessica: it's a lot of women who are all alleging something that most said it doesn't get to the level of a

#metoo controversy in terms of a hit salt assault or harassment. it's important, it's why he can't have made that joke and tried to move on. >> kennedy: we are still talking about it. this really made news last monday. it's been an entire week that has eclipsed every other 2020 presidential contender story and we are still right here in the same place. the president is kind of complicit in that. i think they have two look at the long game and really figure out if they want to completely undermine joe biden's career. we are still -- speech you can we ask the gentleman on the couch? >> james: and really understand his strategy. it seems like the lady of his campaign was had to decide, "i'm either going to apologize for who i am and who have been, or i'm going to say, i'm different. this is who i am. i'm proud of --" well, he's doing both. i think in this manner, when you have what seems like a heartfelt -- i don't know if you

use the word, "sorry." >> jessica: he did. >> james: but he joked about it right afterwards. it suggests you don't really mean it. maybe it's a brilliant straddle? i don't know. >> harris: interesting. i saw on social media this weekend -- and our beloved coworker here at fox was having a conversation about why old people and millennials are kind of going at each other. joe biden has the one thing ever but he wants as you get older -- relevancy. for a moment he could have jumped on that and owned it. i'm confused by -- >> jessica: this is one of those purity tests obama was talking about. >> melissa: more "outnumbered" in just a moment. billions of mouths.

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sight being pitched by many in our media. >> melissa: that was such a delicious little taste of "deep dive," which airs on fox nation. that's of streaming service. if you haven't watched already, you can log on and watch now. james freeman is here coming to slime on that clip. i love this, because so often we are criticized. especially when we do stuff on ""after the bell"" and elsewhere pray that we didn't get to the heart of it, that we didn't have enough time in the segment and there are people who are hungry for more. that's we've got going here. congrats! >> james: thank you, we are trying to do is take those big issues people want to hear about and go a little more in depth. that one you saw, we were talking about cataloging the media failures of the last couple years. >> melissa: that would be a long show. >> james: it took a while, but we managed. it was a typical show. >> melissa: you get down to the details. you guys are all yelling at us at twitter that we didn't talk about this, this, and this. it's somebody is often screaming rap in her ear. >> james: the rise of

socialism, lot of fun topics. we had lou holtz on, legendary football coach. >> melissa: thinks to james freeman on the rest of the game. we are back here at noon eastern tomorrow. here's harris. >> harris: alive outside her home in alexandria, virginia, moments ago, homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen speaking for the first time since her resignation. you are watching "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. nelson announcing her resignation after meeting at the white house with president trump yesterday. the president expressed growing frustration about the lichen crisis that our nation's southern border with mexico. the president says customs and border protection commissioner kevin mcaleenan will become acting dhs secretary . sources are saying the president wants the toughest cop around border security. nielsen says she will stay on the job until wednesday, and a short time ago she spoke with reporters outside her home.