they didn't get in. i would imagine civil suits would be part of it. >> deidra: susan lee, emily compagno, thank you. thank you very much for joining us. neil back. in the meantime, "the five" is coming your way right now. ♪ >> dana: hello, everyone. i am dana perino with katie pavlich, juan williams, jesse watters and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." ♪ that's different for us. we are playing music wrath the top. we are going to get the news in a moment. if you're wondering why we are playing music, it's because this is an exciting week. each of us are playing dj for the day. jesse is up first. all through today you're going to be here songs he has

personally picked. did you pick that one for me? >> jesse: i wanted some classic vietnam rock. >> greg: that is left-wing calming music. >> jesse: i don't listen to the lyrics. i listen to the music. >> dana: did your mom help you? >> jesse: no, although it does sound like a mom joyce. >> dana: are you tomorrow? >> greg: i am and it's going to be amazing. a lot of melvins, cramps. i'm excited. >> dana: what about the truckers? >> greg: the truckers? royal trucks. >> dana: i am doing friday. i am making mine personal to each person. now onto the big news of the day, as you might have heard, kirstjen nielsen is out as a homeland security secretary. president trump doubles down on this crackdown at the border. u.s. customs and border protection kevin mcaleenan will become the acting secretary.

the present reporting a massive overhaul to fix the crisis. "more apprehensions, captures at the southern border that in many years. border patrol amazing! country is full! system has been broken for many years. democrats in congress must agree to fix loopholes. no open borders crimes and drugs. will close southern border if necessary." >> for the rest of her life, people will look at her and think that's the woman who put children in cages. that's the woman who broke up families across the border. you know what? they will be right. >> she has been a disgrace as secretary of homeland security she was behind the legacy of separating families, caging children. >> you almost have to feel sorry for nielsen. i don't feel sorry for her but almost. she is going to violate the dictates of humanity, morality on others but she's not willing to break the law. >> kirstjen nielsen will be

known for implementing accrual policy of forcibly separating parents and children. >> dana: white house temporary press secretary says -- >> i find it interesting that the media is so focused on what happened behind the scenes with the resignation of secretary nielsen instead of worrying about what's actually happening at the border. we have a crisis down there, and emergency in the media refuses to focus on it but instead wants to talk about palace intrigue. >> dana: mick mulvaney doubling down on the criticism of democrats handling of immigration. >> i know it's hard to imagine but nancy pelosi runs the democrats in congress, mexico has done more in the last week to help our illegal immigration crisis then nancy pelosi and democrats in the house. >> dana: we are going to take it around the table. going to start with you, greg. >> greg: i find it richly ironic when jeff each have been accuses anybody of breaking up families. let's remember where that story

started with those pictures first came out in the media, on twitter. those were pictures that were from the time when president obama was president. this was a problem, splitting up of families, it was shared by both families. this is the first time in probably recent history that we have a nonpolitician trying to solve a problem that was shared by both parties. we can agree this is the responsibility of democrats and republicans. you have to look at trump as a general manager of a sports team. situations not dictated by the players. the players are dictated by the situation, so when the situation requires a fix, he replaces people to affect the situation. it's like baseball. if the current lineup isn't working, you say -- he benched the guy or get rid of the guy, trade the guy. that's all he does. he sees if it works. i said this before. the person who takes the long-term solution will never be treated sympathetically.

long-term solutions are always harsh in the short term. the media are the children who want ice cream for breakfast. trump is the parent say no, you know what. to be a healthy adult commuter going to have to eat like this. eat your greens. what trump is trying to do is affect the long-term solution that will remain that way after he's out of office knowing that he's sacrificing so much capital. everybody hates him for being the parent. the media especially, because they are the children. the children who basically push the slide that this was the first administration to separate families. >> juan: it is the truth. >> greg: you remember those pictures? >> juan: hang on. obama was dealing with unaccompanied minors. here you had families. moms and children separated by nielsen. >> greg: and why? >> juan: not only is it illegal and unethical and

immoral. i am saying -- it's just not true what you sai said. >> greg: it was working. >> juan: it wasn't working. we have a different kind of issue not with so many families and children with their families. >> greg: why? >> juan: i just want to say, does all that he's done make you feel safer? getting rid of nielsen, getting rid of the secret service. it seems to me this is so dangerous in terms of our national security. we saw today from the brain room this guy has more cabinet positions gone than anybody going way back. >> dana: sticking on immigration, katie, your thoughts. kirstjen nielsen in some ways was in an impossible situation. she is confined by the law. a lot of people don't like a lot but congress won't fix the law so she wasn't able to be tougher in the way he wanted to. >> katie: this has been a long time coming. it's not some rash decision.

kirstjen nielsen has been on the rocks for a long time with president trump here she has been able to solidify her position for a couple months but this was inevitably going to come. it's very difficult for any department of homeland security secretary to do anything that they are doing more due to the way the system is set up. there is hope for mcaleenan because he has a good relationship with people on capitol hill. he worked for barack obama and was on the front lines in this crisis when it started in 2015. the photos that everyone said belonged to the obama administration about children being in cages, those were from 2014 and we at town hall and at breitbart, some of the only reporters in the entire media who were publishing those photos and warning about the crisis that was coming. mcaleenan has seen this from the beginning. he knows what needs to be done and hopefully can work with committees like the senate judiciary committee where the attorneys there are working on immigration then they know what needs to be fixed so they connection, was something to change it.

one more thing, these democrats talking about how horrible kirstjen nielsen was, that she was a terrible person for separating parents and children. if you break the law in america and break -- go to prison, you are separated from your children. they are not putting any legislation on the table does solve the problem which sets up the talking point for them for years to come when you are saying these children were brought here by their parents illegally. should we have a dream or program for them as well? a whole nother system they are setting up. >> dana: jesse, and the time have remaining, we give you the floor. >> jesse: america, greatest country in the face of the earth. can't stop foreigners from coming here and staying here because of dumb laws and dumber politicians. we are erasing our own borders ourselves. who you think about it, person and central america, grab a kid, set foot -- set 1 foot in texas

and we can't do anything about it. your kid, whoever you are bringing, they are a dreamer. they are going to be substance. you go to california. you're going to get welfare, driver's license, health care. commit a felony, no one is going to deport you. you can do whatever you want. the democrats want this situation. they don't care about families being separated. if they did, they would do something to fix it. pelosi had an opportunity herself when she cut the deal with trump last month. did she offer an asylum fix, a detention fix? she offered literally nothing except a few warm beds. when the democrats talk, don't listen to them. i don't even hear what they are saying. look what they are doing, and they are absolutely doing nothing. >> katie: and then they tried to cut the number of beds. >> juan: take a look at what the republicans, what trump is doing, seems to me that whatever trump runs into a conflict situation, you have a simple solution and he decides he wants to go beyond the law. that's what happened with

kirstjen nielsen. she went in there yesterday afternoon at 5:00. she didn't intend to resign and he is telling her to stop people from applying for asylum. kick people out. get rid of the judges. get rid of the judges? wow. >> jesse: you don't have solutions. your party has no solutions. >> juan: that's not true. everybody agrees we need more detention facilities, more judges. >> dana: i don't want the producers yelling at me anymore because of you. president obama issued a major warning to 2020 candidates. you will it next. ♪ >> ♪ there's something happening here ♪ ♪ what it is ain't exactly clear ♪

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that's bad. but you are still living in american society and you have a right to vote. >> jesse: 2020 hopeful pete buttigieg taking aim at capitalism, saying that it's a threat. >> america is a capitalist society but it's got to be democratic capitalism in that part is really important and it is slipping away from us. when capitalism comes in, i believe democracy is more important. if you want to see what happens when you have capitalism without democracy, you can see it clearly in russia. >> jesse: president obama issuing a warning to progressives about their ideology. >> we start sometimes creating what's called a circular firing squad. you start shooting at your allies. because one of them is straying from purity. on the issues. when that happens typically the

overall effort and movement weekends. >> jesse: katie, i think the fact that the former president had to say something like that means that the democrats, what they are doing isn't working. >> katie: tap it down, kids. that's wise not getting in the middle of it. he doesn't want to get into the middle of the circular firing squad. this is what primaries are all about. republicans did it in 2016. hashing out their ideas and policy differences in right now it seems like one person jumps on abolishing i.c.e. or medical for all and they all follow in say the same thing. the green new deal. instead of actually distinguishing themselves with different policy proposals. i want to talk about what buttigieg said, talking about democratic capitalism. first of all, russia is the result of following communism. a little bit different issue. i agree with him when he says crony capitalism creates major problems inside the united states and allows big

corporations to take advantage of the system. the result of crony capitalism is the result of big government. the bigger the government, which is what he wants, he wants more government just like all the other democrats in the field, creates more of that problem of big companies being able to afford government regulation while little companies get pushed out. i agree with him on the sense of crony capitalism but i think i would get there is very different. >> jesse: when he says democratic capitalism, i think that's one way of saying socialism. he is just putting a new spin on it. >> juan: i think that's what you'd like. what he is saying is so obvious to me. in fact, when you do away with regulation because big business is so empowered, you might end up with an oligarchy where, which is what russia has come of the rich are a society onto themselves and they are not responding to democratic impulses and needs of all the people. i want to go back to what bernie was talking about with the felons because you know it's not that radical at this point.

clearly i think nobody is suggesting that if you are convicted of a felony that you lose your citizenship in the united states. you are still a citizen. right now we have it that 14 states, it's only the case that you lose the right to vote while you are incarcerated. another 22, only while you are incarcerated and on parole. i think republicans, in the way we were talking about immigration in the last segment, saying it is an effort to get more democratic votes? no. i think it's about keeping people in the society, having them identify citizens of our country, and full participants in that democratic process. >> jesse: it seems misguided. i would rather focus on the rights of law-abiding american citizens, not people that have committed rape in murder. >> dana: it wouldn't have been hard for him to say something along the lines, florida is a state where democrats want to win. trying to flip back from

president trump. if you are bernie sanders, you could've said it's an interesting question. i understand why you're asking. look in florida. florida did an interesting thing. they had a referendum on the ballot and convicted felons who have served their time get the vote. i think that's the right thing. why is that so hard? >> jesse: i think if you get out get out of present. -- get out of prison. you lose rights when you get locked up. >> greg: you have to show your i.d. i love it that barack obama is so intelligent, so much smarter than everyone else that he felt compelled to explain to them what a circular firing squad was. it's when there's a firing squad. when the chickens come home to roost. i don't mean real chickens. it's a metaphor. democrats have a problem. when you're out of power, your only argument is right now the current state socks with the economy is amazing, low unemployment, national security.

we are peaceful, prosperous. all they have is i hate daddy, who's in charge. this is the problem with the immigration crisis. you look at the caravans coming. why are they coming here? the democrats are saying they are obviously fleeing terrible countries. why are they coming here? explain to us. why are they coming here? wait a second. is it because we are a great country, a free country, prosperous country, powerful country. because we are a country of laws. we can't say that because then they would be admitting that everything going on right now is so damn awesome that you have three or four different countries trying to get in. beto o'rourke when he cc people coming, he should be true to himself. he is saying no, guatemalans and hondurans, you shouldn't come here because this is a orgy of white privilege. we are racists and bigots and you shouldn't come here.

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collusion, democrats ramping up their anti-trump probes in the post-mueller world. congressman nadler saying there is grounds for -- could be grounds for impeachment once the report is released. >> there could be things the american people ought to know. you can commit shameful acts, betrayal of the public interest without committing impeachable acts. if you did that, the public ought to know that too. >> katie: some democrats like nadler are still banking on the russian investigation, others are moving onto the president's taxes. democrats asking the irs to release six years of trump tax returns. the democrats should expect to never see them. >> never. nor should they. it's an issue that was already litigated during the election. voters knew the president could have given his tax returns. they knew he didn't and they elected him anyway and that's what drives the democrats crazy. they just want the attention on the issue because they don't want to talk to us about policy. >> katie: jesse, the irs has a

history of being used as a political weapon, recent history. should the president be worried? >> jesse: no, he will never give it over. there was no shenanigans there. they deleted all the evidence at the irs. lois lerner. did you notice nadler's eyebrow? one eyebrow is higher than the other when he's resting. i noticed that. it's neither here nor there. the threshold for impeachment, there it is. the left eyebrow. threshold for impeachment is high crimes and misdemeanors, not shameful acts. nadler has to keep this hoax alive because it keeps him on tv come help some fun grace and keeps. the tax thing, just like the russia collusion, they're not going to get anything there and they're not going to be satisfied. now this is coming full circle because we know now that devin nunes is going to refer eight

people to william barr, the ag for potential conspiracy and defrauding the fisa court and it's about time we get to the bottom of this and that's the real story. >> katie: i highlighted that there could be grounds for impeachment. you can commit shameful acts. here we are with them making an allegation with nothing to stand on. no evidence hiding in plain sight, as adam schiff was saying. >> greg: we knew this was going to happen is bereft of any ideas, all they have are these witch hunts and they choose ones that are endless. these are drug dealers with no backup plan once the drug of collusion ran out. they are in a lab coming up with cheaper alternatives. the tax return stories fun. it would be fun if he was running as a candidate. he would be interesting but he already won. we all know who donald trump is.

he even admitted. he tried do what you do with your taxes, that's what you do. we kind of go yeah, we would do that too so we understand it. it's hard for them to make other cases when you have the lowest on employment and forever. collusion has collapsed. what if you got? >> katie: is it time for democrats to go to russia rehab? >> juan: just forget congress' responsibility. this is not investigation overload. i think congress is doing, how they do nothing with a republican majority in the house. they tried to cover up the sins and crimes taking place. when you talk about overload, i think of benghazi, irs. >> greg: people died. >> juan: what i'm saying is congress has a responsibility and they should do their job. they shouldn't be intimidated by

all the bluster and nonsense. everybody since carter released their tax returns. >> greg: before carter. >> juan: congress looking into just this kind of thing. >> dana: i think there's a difference between oversight and overdoing it. the american people can tell a difference. the base of the democratic party may never think that they overdo it but it's not going to turn out your voters? i don't know. democrats also have to think about running in 2020 to try to keep the house, win back the senate. can they govern? they are already saying we can't do anything because we don't have the senate. republican voters got mad when republicans had that even though it's true. they get mad. the other thing is there's another person that hasn't put out there tax returns enough bernie sanders. everyone has been waiting for that. now he says it will maybe be in a week. i think in that case, people might be surprised that he makes

a lot more than expected. >> katie: and his wife was under fbi investigation. >> greg: can i offer an exit question? what would you rather have, a president with some questionable tax returns or president who blamed the death of americans on a movie? >> katie: we will end with that. >> juan: would you rather have an american president was under the influence of a foreign country? >> jesse: he's not. >> katie: moving along. felicity huffman in over a dozen people pleading guilty in the college admissions cheating scandal. breaking details are up next. >> ♪ with a rebel yell ♪ 300 miles an hour, that's where i feel normal. having an annuity tells me my retirement is protected. learn more at retire your risk dot org.

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debt. last night on "60 minutes," they highlighted a new aggressive approach to how one of the nation's top schools is battling this crisis. new york university now offering free tuition for all medical students, and it's all privately funded. home depot cofounder donated $100 million. then he raised another $350 million to fund the project. here are some of the students talking about the loans they are facing when they get out of school. >> how much debt did you expect you'd be taking on? >> >> anticipated taking on abot $200,000. >> i can't imagine starting life with that on your shoulders. but a lot of medical students, a lot of young doctors have that. most. >> i would say most. >> how much did you have to borrow for your first year? >> i borrowed $76,000. if i were to pay that off on a 10-year plan, it would be

$100,000 by the time i paid it off. >> that's just your first year. >> that's just my first year. >> juan: katie, i am struck by canon's generosity. it's a model for what people should do to help out these young people. putting aside the medical school students, right now young people who take out loans, on average of $20,000 debt. medical school is hard. 28,000 is a lot for a young person struggling to get their first foot in the latter of upward mobility. >> katie: private donations can work. it's amazing. it's a great way to do it and it incentivizes accountability for students to do well and for universities to produce results in terms of students being placed in jobs. the $28,000 average in student debt, you have to do the math. look at school as a return on investment. it's not supposed to be an experience, not just some thing

that's fun. your thing and return on it in your career or job. you have to do the numbers. for not going into a field that's going to play pay enougy to pay off the debt, move you should choose a different field or go to a school you can afford. like mortgages, you have to know the fine print and the details. return on investment are going to end up in a situation with lots of debt, which is crippling. >> juan: on the ken langone front, half of kids in medical school come from the richest americans. this has real-world consequences for who our doctors are and where they go to practice medicine. >> jesse: i would like to congratulate myself for the great musical choices on today show. even dana says they were really good. juan said he actually wants to hang out with me.

>> juan: most of it is good. >> jesse: i feel weirded out. i agree with you, ken langone is very generous and it's a model going forward. the reason we've seen tripling of college tuition is because demands for degrees is up and more loans are available. combine that with the fact that the same amount of scholarships are being offered in the same amount of government aid is being offered and the fact that wages are not growing as much as the rate of tuition, that's why colleges are able to raise tuition to these astronomical heights. it really squeezes people. >> juan: no question. dana, i think it particularly squeezes minorities. especially nyu. >> dana: there's a mocking of these medical students last night on conservative twitter. first of all, ken langone made the money in the free market. started a business. he decided to give it away in this particular way. it's innovative. it also spurred other schools or

try to figure out a way to do more of that. it's not government money. let them do what they want. >> katie: i think it's a great idea. >> greg: was the name of the host of 60 minutes? >> katie: leslie stahl. >> greg: how amazing was it that she was shocked to learn about this? let me get this straight. $76,000 as a student loan and then in ten years, how much do you pay? $100,000. while max. that's what's called a loan, moron. it's called interest. how do you not understand it. like suddenly it's the sum -- some kind of epiphany. everyone is so happy about ken langone. we've spent the last two years demonizing capitalism. this is a result of capitalism. we have been making fun of rich people for so long. this rich guy does more -- by the way, the united states private charity does more than any country in the world.

that's a reminder. we've got to understand the reason why tuition tripled over the last 30 years is because we turned college into a virtue signal. corporations should put entrepreneurship and military experience ahead of college experience on hiring because military offers you more experience. everyone you know has been in the military is smarter, wiser, more disciplined than any brat from college. >> juan: hats off to ken langone. i agree with you, greg. people don't understand the debt. up next, gregory's monologue on what chelsea handler is now saying about president trump's 2016 win. you're going to want to hear this on "the five" ." (kickstart my heart by motley crue)) (truck honks) (wheels screeching) (clapping)

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collusion, we are now seeing the most vehement anti-trump-ers reconsider their horn extremism. chelsea have are, she viciously attacked the trump family, their supporters and anyone connected. it wasn't normal but she couldn't see it until now on bill maher. >> i had never had my world feel so unhinged. i had to pay a psychiatrist to listen to me [bleep] about donald trump for about the first three weeks and then once we got past that and we got to the real stuff, i realize the parallel there was my world becoming unhinged when i was a little girl. my brother died when i was 9 years old. i'd never related the two but for me, and i can imagine it must been for so many people, a huge emotional trigger of everything being destabilized. i realized just how spoiled and privileged i'd been all my life to realize, to be this upset and

on a 10 every day and the outrage and anger, i just wanted to [bleep] fight people. >> greg: this is good. to be able to step back and see that your reaction is less about the world and more about the stuff that's inside you. even better, these admissions seem to be spreading. mollie hemingway points out that. pereira -- the confessions are d but they should be applauded. people are admitting their behavior wasn't -- it was never about trump. it was simply trauma. i went through similar stuff. stepping back allows one to see that taking politics to personally cloud your thinking. suddenly everyone is racist or everyone is sexist or everyone is colluding but for you at home, this is not a problem because the personal isn't political, meaning politics is just one store in the strip mall

of life so when that store closes you have other stores to go to. family, hobbies, the outside world. that is life. but if politics is personal, then life is like jango. pull out politics and it can all come tumbling down. people like chelsea are putting their lives back together again. we should wish them well. i think she should be applauded for her honesty definitely. >> dana: everyone is going through something. everyone you see, they have something going on. everybody knows what you're going through. remember, we say politics is not who you are. you might be what you talk about and what you're interested in but politics is not who you are. >> greg: juan, we have these political fights all the time but you have other things that you deal with. you have kids, grandkids, you love baseball. isn't that the healthy way to deal with life? >> juan: absolutely. i don't know that chelsea handler is that funny.

you be the judge. i wonder how serious she is about all this, connecting things. i do think you're right that there are lots of people who were traumatized by 2016. >> greg: jesse, you weren't. >> jesse: one of the greatest days of my life. 2024 is going to be tough. i would blame the media for the trump derangement syndrome because they did not prepare democrats for the possibility of this election and then they halted the healing process by saying he was an imposter and hacked the election with the russians. then the media coverage, everything has been a constitutional crisis. there's been chaos and everything has been unprecedented. i think everybody should listen to the president when he says sit back and enjoy the ride. >> greg: 's to people the republican side that are -- like jennifer rubin, never fully recovered. >> katie: may be she should take some advice from chelsea handler and see a psychiatrist.

i think politics can be personal. your values, your beliefs but you have to keep things in perspective. politics is not everything. you should go out, get off twitter, enjoy life that things are going to be there at the end of the day for you. it's not going to be political parties. pilates. >> dana: at the end of the day, i have pilates. on mondays. >> greg: if that is not a teacher, make it. dana says at the end of the day, i have pilates. oh, my god. "one more thing" is up next.

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>> dana: with a dj for the day. >> jesse: stuck the landing, pearl jam. i know you love it, don't deny it. wake up. >> greg: i am willing to forfeit my one more thing to comment on jesse's music. why would you choose incredibly commercial popular songs that people would hear walking in the mall? why wouldn't you hear things that people don't hear? i don't need to hear pearl jam again. >> greg: popular music is popular because people like it. it is popular because people listen to it come on your music. it is not good! do you think getting paid? >> dana: one more thing. you are in charge tomorrow. you are the dj tomorrow. >> greg: i have 11 songs and i will destroy jesse's brain.

>> jesse: the ratings will be lower. ♪ >> dana: that was brandi carlisle last night and that is the song traveled. he and his band one end of the year for his burning man to work. lots of great awards last night, amazing. >> juan: there is a cat in the hat story just for you. my grandson celebrated his ninth birthday saturday and his mom produced another amazing cake. he is fascinated with magic tricks so she made a cake with two bunny years, has twin sisters and guest left the table to open the gifts. when we all got back, look at what we found. the cat was in the hat! it had eaten the cake.

>> dana: all that cake? i didn't know cats ate cake. did the cat get sick? >> juan: i wasn't around. >> jesse: we told you about the independence bonds, it gives members. they have a new operation called operation resiliency to prevent veteran suicides where they will have retreats that night combat veterans and help each other heal together. they are joining up with the va to do this on the first was last week and the next is that in may. go to independence bonds.org. >> dana: that is a great organization. >> katie: ac line in cabo mexico caught a ride on a tourist boat riding through the waves. he got on the side while a tourist fed him. the c line wasn't searching for a snack, it hopped off the boat and returned to his ocean home.

that is a big pet to just show up. >> dana: i don't know if it is a good idea to pet it. >> jesse: he just said pearl jam is popular because they pay djs to play it! special report is up next. >> bret: thank you. this is a fox news alert and i am bret baier. we are coming she would live from the resort in colorado springs, the 35th annual space symposium. later in the program we will talk with the administrator jim bridestine about where the space program stands right now and where it is going. in a few minutes an exclusive interview with the secretary of state mike pompeo on u.s. policy dealing with iran, venezuela and china. first up, president trump is clearing up plenty of space with his homeland security department as he prepares to make immigration the focus of his reelection campaign. we learned this afternoon