tomorrow! before a senate committee, to take some of the same questions. >> sandra: that means we get the opportunity to cover it again tomorrow! thank you for coming along the road for us this morning. that's it for us. we will see you tomorrow morning. "outnumbered" starts now. >> melissa: fox news alert, we are awaiting the arrival of the president of egypt at the white house where he will be meeting with president trump in the oval office. and the president is expected to face questions about the testimony of his new attorney general, who went before congress today for the first time since the end of the special counsel's russian investigation. attorney general barr telling lawmakers he will release a redacted version of the mueller report within a week. this is "outnumbered," and i'm melissa francis. here today, harris faulkner. town hall editor and fox news contributor, katie pavlich. syndicated radio host and fox news contributor, leslie marshall. joining us on the couch, former assistant u.s. attorney for the

southern district of new york and fox news contributor, andy mccarthy. i feel like i say this a lot, but this is the day we need to hear, for sure. >> andy: [laughs] thanks for having me. >> harris: welcome. >> andy: thanks. >> melissa: we are hearing that the hearing itself just wrapped up and they are taking a break, at the very least. we've heard a lot so far. attorney general space 12 facing lawmakers public for the first time since the mueller report release. he is saying a redacted version of the report will be released within a week, and despite that lawmakers pressed them over the special counsel findings. here is house appropriations committee chair, nita lowey. >> i want to address a serious oversight matter. you are unacceptable handling of special counsel robert mueller's. all we have is your 4-page summary, which seems to cherry pick from the report to draw the

most favorable conclusion possible for the president. even for someone who has done this job before, i would argue it's more suspicious than impressive. >> melissa: meantime, the attorney general weighing out how he and the special counsel for handling the report's eventual release. >> identified four areas that i feel should be redacted. i think most people would agree. right now, the special counsel is working with us on identifying information in the reports that fall under those four categories. we will color-code the exes excision's from the report and provide explanatory notes describing the basis for each reduction. within a week, i will be in a position to release the report

to the public. >> melissa: andy, that was addressing the reductions he did go on to talk about -- i think it's important to play the response to that accusation, about, "boy, you came up with that conclusion." which we know was a summary of key findings. but this is how he addressed the idea of how quickly he came to that summary. >> the thinking of the special counsel was not a mystery to the people at the department of justice. prior to his submission of the report. he had been interacting, he and his people had been interacting with the deputy attorney general and lawyers supporting the deputy attorney general in his provision of the special counsel. in that context, there had been discussions. there was some inkling as to some of the thinking of the special counsel. >> melissa: did he answer the question? they have been chatting, they

knew what was going on. it's not like it was flopped down on the desk and it was the first time they saw it. >> andy: i think he did. if it gets important to remember that all he has given and all he undertook to give in that letter was the bottom line conclusion. in a lot of the commentary it's erroneously been described as his summary of mueller's report. it's not a summary. basically, it's -- >> melissa: bottom line. >> andy: "the yankees lost last night and they played 5-4." you've got the final score, he didn't give you the details of the game. to describe it otherwise is just inaccurate. if you remember, the number of times that rod rosenstein -- the deputy attorney general -- testified, whether it was before the house committees that were investigating, both doing oversight on the justice department, and investigating

the investigation. and the senate committees, they have asked him a million questions over the last couple of years about mueller's report and the progress of the investigation, and so on. so obviously they were up to speed on what was going on in the investigation. the other thing is, whatever you think of the people that mueller had on his staff -- as far as the ideology and the activism of them, i'm not a big fan of a number of them -- but in terms of their skill, their skill is indisputable. if they gave the attorney general of 400-page report, they laid it out in a way that would have been very easy to see instantly what the conclusion was. >> melissa: before you move on, they said he will color-code the redaction so you know which of those four categories they come from. he wants to release it to the public first, then go over to congress and sit and speak to them about each of the redactions and what they are about, and what he can reveal.

does that make sense and will it satisfy critics? >> andy: if they hold back one, critics are never going to be satisfied. if you give them every comma, it'll be the nefarious stuff in the underlying information they didn't disclose. if this is a political showbiz thing, no, people are not going to be satisfied. in the first instance -- look, he got a 400-page report at about 5:00 on a friday. by 3:00 on sunday we had the bottom line conclusions, which was something of a feed to because the attorney general himself had to draw one of the conclusions. mueller didn't decide the obstruction question. barr had to decide that himself. with a 300-400 page report, in what is pretty short order in washington time, we are going to get the report -- >> harris: isn't that true? >> andy: and it's going to have categorized excision's s tt

he says, "i look slinky with the excisions are, and i will engage with congress on whether we can give them more information that will satisfy them." if i can make one more point, this remind me of classified information litigation where things get withheld all the tim time. one of the things it says, for disclosure purposes, is that if you can't give the classified information the government can replace that with a summary of what it says or what it proves. so you don't get the stuff that is classified where the methods and sources, but at least you get a narrative of what it means. >> harris: that bottom line again, what you're talking about. i want to quickly follow up with a couple of things. one, i have not substantively heard a compelling talk about the difference between an independent and a special counsel. i think it's important. having interviewed ken starr, most recently we talked about how there were those salacious details in that 11-point

possibility grounds for impeachment that went on to be grounds for impeaching bill clinton. while we saw so much of that stuff that was radioactive in terms of how explicit it was. he explained, his job was different. he was an independent counsel. when the law changed, or expired, on us having come as a nation, independent counsel in the late 1990s -- 1999, i think, to be exact -- then we got a special counsel. by design, that would not includes those 60-category grand jury testimonies. there are four different lanes that william barr laid out today in terms of where he will redact. but that is the one that jerry nadler's focused on. that grand jury testimony is what could keep it redacted no matter what you do with those three other lanes. what do you say about that? >> andy: a couple of things. judge starr is absolutely right. his statutory mandate -- he was kind of a constitutional anomaly. in the way he's reporting to the justice department and reporting to the congress, when the law lapsed, the special counsel is

just the justice department prosecutor. he's in the executive branch, pipeline -- >> harris: he's an employee, basically. top of the food chain, but -- >> andy: importantly, his job is to ferret out crime, not to determine whether they are high crimes and missed ministry that's a different standard. there's that. the other thing, the grand jury inquiry and how much grand jury stuff is in the report, we have a big decision from the d.c. circuit at the end of last week. which says, basically, that judges or the justice department and everyone else are stuck with what the exemptions are, the narrow exceptions to privacy. and disclosure to congress is not in that. i think we ought to bear in mind an interview that john dowd, who was one of president trump's -- i think it was the second set of lawyers. but he knows a lot about the investigation. he gave a very interesting interview to byron york about a week or so ago in which he

suggests that the stuff people are really interested in is more than likely going to be the white house personnel and the white house documents that were handed over to mueller. there are privilege issues with that, but they were not grand jury witnesses. their information is covered by -- >> melissa: i want to sneak this in real quick. one of the big topics, of course, obviously was obstruction paid they try to go down that path and say, "how did you come up with that?" here's what he had to say. i will get your reaction. go ahead. >> can you elaborate on what is meant by "does not exonerate the president?" >> that is a statement made by the special counsel. i report it as one of his bottom line conclusions. i'm not in a position to discuss that further until the report is all out. what is meant by "exonerate" is really a question that i can't answer. what he meant by that.

>> katie: he also had another exchange with republican congressman tom graves, in which he was asked as a result of reviewing his report and going through the redactions with special counsel attorneys, "have you changed your conclusion about obstruction of justice and collusion?" and bill barr laughed it off and said, "no, my letter speaks for itself on with the bottom line conclusions are." so we've heard a lot about that. everything we came up today which was interesting, attorney general barr talked about how he gave the special counsel and opportunity to review his letter before it was released to the public. on the special counsel did not take him up on that opportunity. yet we have seen reporting in "the new york times" and "the washington post" that they were upset that they didn't get a preview of the letter before it was released. so that doesn't reconcile those two stories, based on what bill barr was saying today. everything i thought was most interesting was there's been this accusation, as auntie was saying, about bill barr just reading through the report and covering for the president and saying there was

no obstruction and no conclusion donna collusion. but this was a grueling process. it continues to be a partnership between the special counsel and the attorney general, and you mention privilege. president trump didn't assert privilege over any of the documents they give to special counsel for investigation. and they are not doing it now. that says a lot about the transparency, especially when it comes to the doj going to great lengths to explain redactions. usually they just make them a don't offer a lot of excellent nation when it comes to these kinds of reports. the fact that they're going through that i'm doing it says a lot about how they are trying to get as much information out as possible. >> melissa: i want to make sure leslie gets in. >> leslie: have to say that when i saw today was clearly that democrats and republicans have two different versions of reality. quite frankly. when you look at some of the questions -- for example, democrats are asking, "why are you covering up for trump and russia?" republicans, "why are you covering up for hillary and deep state questionnaire" the bottom line, congress -- regardless of who is in power -- has congressional oversight of the president. it's their job as election

officials, to we the people, to make sure that all the ts our cross and the letter is are dotted. my problem -- >> melissa: i hate to interrupt you, we are lg right now at president trump as he awaits the arrival of egyptian president el-sisi. you can see him standing there in the portico, waiting for them to arrive. they will have a working lunch and discuss many of the issues pertinent in that area of the world. >> harris: i just want to talk about what is at stake here, and the importance of this visit. because they were loud in this is something very special in egs particular administration at this time. there are groups who are lobbying against egypt right now. human rights groups. they want to make that $1.3 billion in military aid as this year's conditional on apprg

human rights inside egypt. egypt is the second largest recipient of u.s. foreign aid. that's a backdrop on all this. but the president of united states, ready to greet abdel fattah el-sisi, from egypt. to be a fly on the ball in that conversation -- remember, melissa, it was just a week ago when egypt stepped in, between israel -- along the gaza border -- and the battle that was going on. the deaths that were happening, once again, as they look for leadership in the palestinian realm and the israeli player less to get together. egypt said, "let's have a cease-fire." they were important in this conversation and i would imagine that will come up, along with military aid. >> melissa: that's terrific back on paid thank you much for that. we want to mention, as these two get together, there will be reporters in the room at one point in time. no doubt there will be a shouting of questions about the hearing we just saw with william barr. so we will be on top of that.

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>> harris: this fox news alert, a senate homeland security committee hearing is underway right now on the surge of migrants at our southern border. five trump administration officials are testifying, including three with the department of homeland security. this, amid that shake-up in the agency with secretary nielsen resigning on sunday and reports that the white house plans to take a harder line on immigration policy. here's how senators are reactin reacting. >> a major massive purge is no substitute for a change in policy. that's what's needed. this kind of purge is simply leading to chaos and confusion that will be actually more encouraging to illegal immigration. >> the only outcome that can fix

the problem is the legislative fix prayed i would urge the white house to send over to me legislative changes you are looking for in terms of nonconts deportation, fixing the asylum standard. >> harris: and the issue of family separations came up in today's hearing with attorney general barr as they report the administration is considering restarting that practice. attorney general barr says he's not aware of any such discussio discussion. >> i haven't heard that. >> you haven't heard that? >> no. the president has already put out an order stopping the separation of families. >> harris: on that point, it was interesting -- the lawmaker then pressed in, andy, and said, "well, what would you do if that were true?" how do you answer hypothetical like that question actually be on the record with that? he said he's following the current law. no family separations. >> andy: i would not answer the hypothetical. i think what he said was correct. we have a pending order from the president.

that's our instructions. when the president changes his order, then get back to me. until that happens, we are going to follow the president's order. there is no separation. the disgrace here is they can reel all they want about policy on capitol hill and it's never going to be a perfect policy, or even perhaps a good policy, because the problem is overwhelming the amount of resources that we can dedicate to it. but this screams out for a legislative fix. you can change every single person in the executive branch who is tasked with dealing with this. if they don't have the legal authority to deal with this, you will continue to have a problem. >> harris: is interesting you say that. we were covering this time yesterday, exiting secretary nielsen outside her home in alexandria, virginia. and she said, "the next step in all of this is congress. they have to do their job." we've heard it from former

homeland security secretary jeh johnson under obama. this is a fix that persists. >> leslie: i want to tout the governor from my state of california right now. california is greatly affected, most affected out of the 50 states in this country by this kind of migration. what governor gavin newsom has done -- he's in el salvador right now -- is, why? why do we have the increase question required people come here? >> harris: what answers is he getting and how does that help the process? >> leslie: first of all, i think it helps the process because if you have a wound that is bleeding you have to stop the bleeding. you can't just say, "i'm going to cut off money and punish mexico and people in central america." with you separate families are not, for people in cages -- it doesn't address the complex issue. >> harris: what is gavin newsom, the governor of california where they have a wall at the border, what is he accomplishing in el salvador by visiting there? >> leslie: first of all -- >> harris: do we know what he's finding? >> leslie: he's seen

firsthand -- the reports we are getting now is that we know where the money is going and how bad it would be. how much of an increase we have in additional migration, specifically from el salvador, if we were to cut off funding to that country. >> harris: i get that, blaming president trump for that. because that's a democrat talking point. but my point is this is happening now, and it didn't just start with this presidency. >> melissa: here's the problem, the dash you are talking about him going down to the source and addressing it. our problem is that right now people coming over the border has change parade that's the point you're making. they are large groups coming from central america as opposed to coming from mexico. lindy don't like lindsey graham was making a point our current law doesn't address that prayer that's what he said, "why do wes or groups that are coming that d directly to a contiguous country constructed have to go somewhere further?" while that is great, to go down to the source, our current law does not address this at all. legislatures need to get to work

and say, "look, the problem has dramatically changed recently. it's not single men coming from mexico from its larger groups from central and south america." quickly, tell us how to deal with this problem. because we don't have enough space to hold these huge groups and we can't just shove them back of the border to mexico. >> katie: the court ruling that just came down is now saying that mexico -- we can't send asylum-seekers from central america back to wait in mexico. they have to wait here, which the idea that people are claiming asylum at the front and without a second hearing -- most of the entrance be fraudulent -- holding the u.s. immigration law enforcement of those laws hostage is insane. also, if you look at -- sure, there is violence in el salvador. there is violence in guatemala and honduras. there is violence all over the world. the fact is that the way that the laws work right now for central americans, it's a free ticket into america. if you get here with the family unit or you send your child unaccompanied, they are going to get to stay here no matter what

because the law allows them to do so. so it's not just about changing the problem of the source. they are not incentivizing people to come here because they know they will be operated for very short period of time. they can't be held for more than 20 days, they are released, nobody knows where they go. they don't show up for the immigration hearing, ice can't go into neighborhoods and find them and deport them once they know that they've broken the law were filed a false asylum claim. so the fact is that smugglers and traffickers and people now it's a free ticket to america, the ticket is there, and it's open. people should be taking vantage of it, and they are. >> harris: andy, i want to give you a quick last word on this. >> andy: i agree with katie. but a federal judge a thousand miles from the border made this order and is making policy for the united states, so we elect political representatives to protect national security and a politically unaccountable judge 1,000 miles from the border?

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leaks of highly classified material and conspiracy to lie to congress and fisa courts. >> simply put, there are five that are straightforward. five online, leaking, obstructing congress, those are five specific names. there are three -- one is a global leak. i think there are a bunch of people who wanted to be the next watergate within the fbi and doj, and they were leaking and proud to do it. they were all conspiring together and that's what we are asking the doj to look into. >> melissa: in the meantime, attorney general barr says he has yet to see the referrals from congressman nunes, but that he is looking into the origins of the russia probe. >> i am reviewing the conduct of the investigation, and trying to get my arms around all of the aspects of the counterintelligence investigation that was conducted during the summer of 2016. i haven't seen the referrals yet from congressman nunes, but obviously if there is a predicate for an investigation

it will be conducted. >> melissa: is this the right way to handle this? is the referral from nunez -- a lot of people do want the answer to that question. that's a worthwhile investigation. if nothing else. but who is the right person, who is going to do it? >> andy: it's not the only way it's being dealt with. that avenue is available and should be available, and i think the attorney general is correct not to prejudge it. he will get referrals, they get referrals from congress of the time. if there is something to it, they will investigate it and take a look at it. in the meantime, a couple of under the dome like he said besides the cities looking into the origin of the investigation is that the expectable inspector general port -- which is looking into fisa abuse and other irregularities -- will be out by june. this is a holistic approach and there should be. >> melissa: katie, you say

"mm-hmm" because we've seen that before. and it was damning. >> katie: there's a lot of bad behavior that was exposed, and the first report that we got. since then, a number of fbi officials have been referred for criminal prosecution. andy mccabe has been referred to the u.s. attorney in washington, d.c., for lying and for leaking information to the press when he shouldn't have done that. we will have to find out what he says. he's been investigating that for about two years, i think. he will have a substantial amount of information. what it comes down to, people wanting some kind of accountability and explanation for how this happened. there's a lot of suspicion now -- not just of the fbi, but there has always been some wariness of the fisa court because it's so secretive. now there are allegations of the dossier being used to get the fisa warrant. the average american who is concerned about the government overreaching on civil liberties and privacy -- i don't think those questions have been

answered yet and i think there has to be a lot more explaining, which is difficult when you're dealing with a secret court and information that has to remain private for national security reasons. because it's been used as a political weapon, allegedly, that's a real problem. and people want to know what the consequences are going to be and what reforms are. and congress can get into that as well. >> harris: i'm going to yield my time to leslie so we can hear from the other side of the aisle. it seems katie and andy have really laid it out. where does this lead democrats? >> leslie: first of all, you talked about bad behavior. we have to look at, "is it criminal customer close to use of the inspector general report was damning. damning in the sense that, yes, there was political bias. but not damning in the sense that it was criminal or affected the outcome of any type of investigation. i'm not going to vegas with this, but my prediction would be that if it's going to be very similar when we get to the end f the looking into the pfizer warrants. like you said, referrals all the time

come to the attorney general perry will happen as a result. saying it is one thing, proving it is another page of they want to go down that road again is questionable. >> harris: breaking news, let's go back to the white house now. the president of the united states is meeting with the president of egypt in the west wing today. they are talking about military aid and so much more. this is making news from seconds ago. we will go there live and kept the rest. the president just said he is not looking to restart child separations at the border. he is talking in detail about a whole host of issues, but this is something he's been asked about watch. [reporters asking questions] >> reporter: what would you like to see? >> president trump: i never said i'm cleaning house. i don't know who came with it. we've got a lot of good people over there. we have bad laws, we have a judge that has just ruled incredibly that he doesn't want people staying in mexico, figure that one out.

nobody can believe these decisions we're getting from the ninth circuit. it's a disgrace. we are fighting the bad laws, the bad things that are coming out of congress. you have a democratic congress that is obstructing. you talk about obstruction, the greatest obstruction anyone has ever seen -- all they have to do is spend 20 minutes and they can fix this problem. we have the worst laws of any country anywhere in the world, whether it's catch and release or any one of them. i could sit here and name them, but if you get rid of catch and release, chain migration, visa lottery -- you have to fix the asylum situation, it's ridiculous. you have people coming and claiming asylum, they are all reading exactly what the lord gives them. they have a piece of pater. read what that is, all of a sudden, a silent. these people and not people you want in our country. we are building a lot of wall. it's getting billed. some of you saw last week when we had a great presentation of

the new stretch. but we are building a lot of wall. we are very strong on the border. but we are bucking a court system that never, ever rules for us. and we are bucking really bad things with congress, with the democrats in congress not willing to act. they want to have open borders, which means they want to have crime, they want to have drugs pouring into our country, they don't want to act. we have to close up the borders. we are doing it, but we are doing it -- i could do it much faster if they would act. so, it's a terrible thing. the democrats in congress, what they are doing, the obstruction -- they don't want to fix it. we have to fix it. they want open borders, they want to have millions of people pouring into our country. they don't even want to know who they are. these are people coming into our country with criminal records. we have murderers coming in, we have drug lords coming in, we have gangs coming in. and we are stopping them. if we don't stop them, ice is throwing them the hell out.

we're getting them out. our job could be easy. kevin is doing a fantastic job, he's acting, but i think he's going to do a fantastic job. we are not doing anything very big as far as what we need. homeland security, that's what we want. there is no better term, and a better name. we want homeland security. that's what we are going to get. thank you very much. thank you. [reporters shouting questions] >> president trump: thank you. >> reporter: how do you feel about the fighter jets? >> president trump: thank you very much, everyone. [reporters shouting questions] >> keep moving, let's go! make your way out, we are done. keep moving, let's go. >> president trump: obama separated the children, by the way. just so you understand. president obama separated the children. those cages that were shown -- i think they were very

inappropriate. they were built by president obama's administration, not by trump. president obama had child separation. take a look. the press knows that, you know it, we all know it. i didn't have -- i'm the one who stopped it. president obama had child separation. i will tell you something -- once you don't have it, that's why you see many more people coming. they are coming like it's a picnic. "let's go to disneyland." president obama separated children. they had child separation. i was the one that changed it. okay, thank you very much. [reporters shouting questions] >> president trump: thank you. we are not looking to do that, no. we are not looking to do that. thank you very much. but it does -- it brings a lot more people to the border. when you don't do it, it brings them a lot more people to the border. we are not looking to do it. but president obama had the law, we changed the law.

i think the press should accurately report it, but of course they want. thank you all very much. [reporters shouting questions] >> come on, press, we are moving. let's go, come on. >> president trump: a great honor to be with the president. it's a great honor to be with your president. >> harris: we stick at those moments because we can hear the shouted questions come up with the president of the united states making a couple of headlines there. melissa, he is not cleaning house at the dhs and he will not look to restart to the separation of families of the border. >> melissa: he went through some of the laws that he wants to see change. you will remember, lindsey graham said, "sent to us the specific laws and what you were talking about legislatively." and he said, "close the loop holes. catch and release, chain migration, visa lottery, and asylum." if you think about it through the lens, people coming of the board has changed -- it's not male, mexican day workers. it's huge groups from central and south america. if you think about changing those rules, that's what he's

talking about would make a big difference. >> katie: and the acting homeland security secretary, mcaleenan, lindsey graham had them testify couple months ago in front of the senate judiciary committee. president trump says he thinks he will do a good job. him bringing that up in his recent trip to capitol hill may actually push some of that change when it comes to legislative action. >> harris: leslie, i have to ask this -- this has to be a moment, a tipping point, for democrats. you see the visuals of the border. this is not about the president declaring an emergency or seeing what he wants to see, as democrats accuse him of. this is reality. it's time to come to the table. what does that look like for your party? >> leslie: i don't disagree that this is, quite frankly, a mountain that not only democrats have to die on. >> harris: come to the hill if you have to garner conversation, here. you've got to get off the stick, here. >> leslie: we don't necessarily have to sit down with the president paid the problem is what they have to do,

because they have the majority -- a very nice majority in the house -- they have to come up with a conference of immigration plan that goes further than what we have now and implements a way to enforce what we have on the books right now. right now we have a lot of laws on the books that aren't being enforced. spew on the courts will let him enforce it. >> leslie: speaking to the courts. thank you, katie, for bringing that up. we don't have the money. we need to have the money put into the courts. we have a four to six year delay on the courts. >> harris: the last word grew quickly before going to break? >> andy: he is right. they need to change the law. i think graham is right. give us those four things or so that we can tee up and then we can have a real discussion about that and see where everybody lines up. >> harris: i see say it every day -- it feels like congress is politically constipated. >> melissa: ugh! accurate. >> harris: spew one new reactioe

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>> melissa: okay, a lot of headlines coming out of the white house as the press went in to see the president in his meeting, wrapped up with egyptian president el-sisi. one of the biggest headlines that came out was president trump saying that he was not looking to restart family separation. he said that was a policy that was begun under president obama, that president obama and his administration was the one that constructed what he called the "cages" in order to accommodate that family separation. and he wasn't looking to do it again, but he added that that is the problem. that now it incensed people to come north from many countries

further south. and once they get onto u.s. soil they are immediately set free, as soon -- they can be separated, they are there and held and released and we don't see them again. what you make of that statement, andy? >> andy: i think the demographic of the population, as we discussed earlier, changed over the last decade or so. so that it's no longer young working-age men from mexico being the substantial part of the population. it's now family units that are coming from -- >> melissa: and unaccompanied minors. >> andy: right. and you can only make a national security problem a legal problem, which is a fiction. it's either a national security problem or it's not. you can pretend it's a legal problem, only as long as you have a legal system that can function. that has enough resources that it can do what the problem. but national security problems have a way of showing their true

colors, to overwhelm an illegal system that you try to put in place. we saw that with terrorism, we are seeing it with this. here's the difference -- when a country wants to deal with something as a serious problem, they realize that the federal resources are very finite and you need the state and local resources as a force multiplier. so there was buy-in from everybody with care, counterterrorism, which is why security is better than it was 20 years ago. here, this government goes to court and sues the state and authorities as they try to enforce the laws. >> melissa: we need to squeeze in a quick break. a lot more to discuss on this, no doubt. we will be right back. i don't keep track of regrets.

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treat it like a terrorist enterprise. which is what it is. the irgc is the tip of the spirit. over a dozen years ago they were involved in the murder of members of the american air force. a federal judge found that. >> melissa: what's the difference between being a terrorist and being at war with another country normally? >> andy: we've been at war with terrorist regimes and terrorist enterprises for the better part of 20, 25 years now. the fact that this happens to be a government is more form over substance. what they are is a terrorist fomented throughout the world. we need to treat them like that. if we ever expect change. >> katie: al qaeda has killed more americans, but has blood -- funded by iran -- is number two. >> andy: because of 9/11. >> melissa: thanks for that. must be 25 in just. ♪ oh, hey jeff, i'm a car thief... what?!

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>> melissa: our thanks to andy mccarthy, leaning on your legal mind today very much and we appreciate your help. jussie smollett's for having me. >> melissa: and the rest of the couch. we will be back at noon eastern tomorrow now here's harris. >> harris: we begin with the president speaking out on one of his signature issues, immigration. after the resignations of some top homeland security officials and his words mom to go. "outnumbered overtime" now, i'm harris faulkner. the commander in chief is looking to set the record straight amid reports they are planning a shift in immigration. he says he is not looking to restart family separation at the border. he just said that. he also said there is no ongoing push to overhaul the department of homeland security. here he is in the oval office moments ago. >> i never said i'm cleaning house. i don't know who came up with that expression. we have a lot of great people over there. we have bad laws, a judge that just ruled incredibly that