we thank them for their service. the three were hit with an improvised explosive device while operating combat operations north of kabul. that is "the story" tonight. "tucker carlson tonight" is up next. ♪ >> tucker: good evening, welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." what happens when you could no longer denounce your political opponents as russian spies? this is a major problem in the democratic party. they have a solution. you just call them white nationalists instead. it is every bit as stupid and slanderous and even more effective in shutting them up. but what does it do to the country when you whip up hatred and fear like that? we will tell you just ahead. but first tonight the attorney general william barr has confirmed what has been obvious for months now, the obama administration spied on donald trump's presidential campaign. nothing like this has happened in modern american history. dropping the news in passing in

testimony before congress this morning. >> i think spying on a political campaign is a big deal. it is a big deal. >> you are not suggesting that spying occurred? >> i don't -- well, i think that there was that spying did occur. yes, i think that spying did occur. i'm not suggesting that it was advocated, but i need to explore that. >> tucker: there is note disputing the points that he made. spying on a presidential campaign is a big deal especially when it was rivaled by an administration. a year from now the trump administration could lead the officials in the kamala harris campaign, imagine if caught, he pointed to the opposition research generated by the republican national committee as justification for that surveillance. how would we react? like it was a major draw

dropping scandal, and this that show would agree with that, we would not agree with that. law enforcement should never be used as a partisan political tool, no matter who it benefits. but the media does not feel that way about obama. they refuse to admit that there was spying, jennifer rueb are in "the washington post" attacked the attorney general for bringing up the topic at all. she called barr president trump's toady. cnn says that there is little evidence that spying accord, but there -- that is a lie, there is plenty of evidence that spying occurred. in 2016 and 2017, they wiretapped paul manafort, the former chairman. carter page was spied on extensively by the u.s. government even though it was obvious from the very first day that he was not a russian spy. last year we learned that the fbi used an informant to feud information inside the trump campaign. this is all spying. there is no other word for it.

when trump complained about being spied on, democrats and their employees in the media called him a nutcase and a liar. >> there is no evidence to support any allegation that the fbi or any intelligence agency placed a spy in the trump campaign. >> these baseless claims of spies. >> the so-called spy issue. first of all, there is absolutely no evidence that there was a spy. so it is really a fake issue. >> the phony baloney story about a spy in the campaign. to call it a conspiracy theory is to give it too much credit. to fake facts. >> you see the intelligence and your own party is saying that there is just know they are there. i'm wondering what it will take for you congress meant to say is full of it. >> tucker: he lied, he is crazy, a lot of republican said that too, by the way. we should remember their names. as it turns out, there was in fact a conspiracy to hide the truth. but trump was not leaving that conspiracy, jim clapper was.

>> was the fbi spying on trump campaign? >> no, they were not. they were spying on a term that i do not like it, but what the russians were doing, trying to understand where the russians infiltrating trying to gain access and leverage and influence. >> why does he not like that? >> he should be. >> tucker: he should be, you got that, the obama administration was not spying, they were watching him without his knowledge could on behalf of the opposing party in the closing months of a bitter presidential campaign. no big deal. trump should be grateful for that. they cared enough to surveilled his staff. they are patriotic that way, they are bighearted people. come on, there has to be a limit to how much lying a country can take from their leaders before things fall apart. and we have reached our limit. russian collusion did not happe happen. domestic spying during a presidential campaign did happen, and we have a right to

know who participated in it. who authorized it. and what their motives were. we have a right to know that immediately, without redaction. to the country not belong to retired obama staffers and intel agency heads and mindless cnn contributors, as they say something that you do not understand. no. it is our country. this is a democracy. we ought to act like it is a democracy. mark morgan, former assistant director of the fbi, he joins us tonight. thank you very much for coming on, the attorney general made two points, one it did happen, and two it is a big deal. he worked in government and your whole life, is it a big deal that one administration with spy on the presidential campaign of another party? >> that is an absolute understatement, the law enforcement committee, specifically the fbi we follow attorney general guidelines, this is called a sensitive investigative matter. you're talking about looking into the presidential campaign. i cannot think of something that

has a more balanced interest that goes right to the heart of a sin that you can thwart the will of the people by impacting an election or trying to overturn a president who was elected. this is absolutely huge. >> tucker: if this can be for you, and i want to play devil's advocate a little bit. you are the obama administration any receive a claim that the russians have penetrated the campaign where trying to undermined our democracy. he would be very nervous about being caught spying on another campaign, of course, isn't the person you would do would go to candidate and say that this could be happening and we will look at people in your campaign? >> absolutely, not only go to the campaign, but the dnc, there are several elements, a question as well and i want to know the answer why that was not done. the attorney general said something else in his testimony that the american people really need to understand. that is the predication. this is a big deal that they did this. it is important to evaluate the predication. it should have been at such a high bar to take on an

investigation against a political campaign like this. i want to know too, the validity of that predication. >> tucker: the only reason, unless there is something that i cannot think of, the only reason that you would not tell trump that an unpaid volunteer, carter page, was being used by the russians, the only reason you would not tell them that is because you will believe that he himself is a russian agent, they could not have caught that, right? >> i think so. and i look at this and i start to impact what i saw was a core group of seniors in the fbi that were really the victim of implicit bias against a president. and that was driven with the prism of what they looked at that. and what you said, they went the other direction. >> tucker: it seems so reckless and crazy and destructive to mean, i do not understand. what i do understand ed schilling for a political party even as you pretend to be a journalist. which is happening at cnn. you just saw on the screen. how can you say that spying is not spying? how can you say that if you are surveilling people and listening

to their emails, reading their electronic communications, following them in the case of carter page, house and out stallion? >> that is absolutely right, and then keep on saying with the predication that is used, they are laying down the gauntlets of what did or did not happen. how i find that incredulous as well, but we know the fisa, at the heart of the fisa, we might not like the term "spy." but at the heart of fisa, that's what it is. that is absolutely what it is. >> tucker: is there some reason that we have not seen the rationalization from fisa? >> i am wary about giving that information, and protective about sources, but sometimes the public interest outweighs some of that to a degree. so i hope that the president will take a hard look and release as much as he can. the american people need to know this. again, attorney general moore said this. it goes to one of the hearts of his missions, to prove that to the highest parts of government

are not abusing their authority. you can make a legitimate case that that happened. >> tucker: if we find out that the trump campaign, and there is a trump reelect campaign, even now in office. that they are encouraging the fbi to spy on one of the democratic presidential contenders and the trump justice department authorizes that spying, i just want to be on the record -- i would never defend something like that. i think that would be appalling. would anyone else defend it? >> i may -- >> tucker: [laughs] >> if the predication was there. but it has never been done in american history. to the bar for that, tucker, is so unbelievably high. >> tucker: you have cory booker speaking russian, and taking the microfilm at a public park in exchange for cash. mark morgan, great to see you. we are not accusing booker of that. matt gaetz represents the state of florida in the united states congress, and we are happy to have him today. thank you so much for coming on. it is clear in order to restore

public faith in the most powerful institutions of government we have to know what happen here. why don't we? >> we have not had the director of national intelligence layout for us what was in the transcripts taken by the house intelligence committee where they interviewed clapper, where they interviewed comey and mccabe and brennan, and we ought to have that information. >> tucker: i did not know that. >> over 50 transcripts have been voted out of the house intelligence committee to be declassified so that we can get to the bottom of where the lies existed and how this terrible investigation occurred. >> tucker: why has he not made them public? >> four months we have been waiting, but there is a bigger problem, we have to rely on the intelligence committee. in the leadership of that committee, because every member of congress does not see every piece of intelligence. i filed legislation today, that adam schiff needs to be removed from the intelligence committee, because a how are the rest of us supposed to be able to rely on a man who you just showed lied to

the american people when he said that there was not spying, or when he lied and said that there was evidence of collusion or clear evidence of collusion? if adam schiff is able to review covert operations and intelligence coming and we have to rely on his representation, the whole system is broken. it would be like putting lori laughlin in charge of the college board. it would be like putting jussie smollett in charge of the fbi. >> tucker: i have never seen a tongass person with lower integrity than adam schiff, and it is shocking that he shares the committee. is there any hope on peeling him from that? >> nancy pelosi and the other democrats have to feel the pressure. the constituents have to ask them how they will make decisions in the best interest of the country and the district if it is adam schiff that you are listening to you to get character's stations and to representation on the quality of the intelligence and whether it should justify congressional action. >> tucker: i want to explain the name of the act, the pencil

act. >> for the favorite pencil, tucker. >> tucker: that is exactly right. you strike the halls of congress, is there any democrat that behind the scenes coming you do not have to reveal names, agrees with you? a committee of this sensitive should not be shared by adam schiff? >> there are democrats in congress who feel betrayed. because like the rest of the country they were told that there was actual evidence of collusion. that this would happen. and a lot of those democrats went out on a limb in the campaign and promise their voters that this evidence would be turned up. now we know that the whole deal was fake. it was a lie. and i think that a lot of the narrative has been a cover-up for the fact that under the obama administration, our intelligence community got so under the levels that they allowed political opposition research to justify something that should never happen in this country. you are right, it should never happen from either side. but the only way we can get to the solution is a fully reform

the process that allows secret courts to abridge our rights. >> tucker: that is something that was signed up for without thinking through it after 9/11, correct? >> yes, but i think we will rethink it. at the american people want to know how we got here and they want to make sure that we are never here again. >> tucker: how can you have a secret court in a democracy? >> you do not know what the judges believe, and the opinions are never made public. so even 20 years later you are not able to ascertain what the doctrine was that was getting the most powerful tools in our government to be turned against our citizens in the absence of the democracy that is required. >> tucker: such a smart and true and good point, i hope that you keep making them. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> tucker: the democratic party has a new label for anybody they disagree with, white nationalist! what does that mean exactly and what is the agenda behind saying it? and what is the effect on the country when they repeat that again and again and again? doesn't make it a better place or doesn't make us hate each

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for so many years that over time with the word racist has lost a lot of power. it is told from overuse, the left needs a new attack line, and make you shut up and obey. they have found one, watch georgia -- apply it against stephen miller. >> what about the man who is leading us for the white house, stephen miller? he is spearheading the agenda, and ilhan omar referred to him as a white nationalist? do you agree with her? >> what we have seen from stephen miller is a just evidence of white nationalism. >> tucker: white nationalism, let's be literal for a moment, what is that? abrams did not say, she does not have to say. it hits you in the gut, not the head. it evokes images from a night mare, mass killings, deportation trains, it is terrifying. he would rather be called a cannibal then a white

nationalist. that is the point. that's why they say it. >> we have a white nationalist president was a threat to american democracy. >> it is the way of white nationalist european splinter, hard right crazy town parties. we have not heard it in our politics in a long time. >> it will be stephen miller, and his white nationalist tendencies are really obvious, hit him not dress that up. >> it is a stretch for a lot of americans whether the president is considering himself a white nationalist. >> none of these dumb people pause even for a second to explain to you what a white nationalist actually is. you probably still do not know, and honestly, neither do we. and that's because they're so very few of them in this country, probably about as many white nationalist in america as there are russian spies. you can live your entire life here without running into a white nationalist. no matter what they tell you,

they are living in a kind and decent country, only certain people qualify for the title white nationalist. you heard stephen miller denounced as one for his support of the temporary family separation at the u.s. border. but it turns out the obama administration did essentially the very same thing to immigrant families, are they white nationalist too? watch them explain? >> president obama separated children from adults for their protection. it was if there was a risk of trafficking or other harm that might have been encouraged. >> tucker: just to recap, those of you keeping track at home, when obama did it, it was for their protection. when trump does it, it is white nationalism. how does this work exactly? candace owens unraveled the mystery yesterday and in testimony before congress, watch. >> there is not a single adult today that in good conscious would make the argument that america is a more racist or

white nationalist society than it was when my grandfather was growing up. but we are hearing these terms sent around and what they want to say is that brown people need to be scared, which is the narrative that we hear every four years white head of a presidential election. >> tucker: ah ha, that is the answer. it is election season. to the left has nothing to sell. nothing that will make your life better, so they whip up race hatred and fear. scared people vote. the other side wants to put them in camps or murder them coming and they will show up at the po, they have been doing this for a long time for generations, theyt than they ever have been, but what is the cost for campaigning like this? democracy succeeds when it is built on the belief that we all are in this together. and testing the strength between two groups that hate each other, they fall apart. attacking people for their race is exactly how you destroy a country.

that is what democrats are doing. they know that they are doing it, it is obvious. they just don't care. victor david hanson is a senior fellow at the hoover administration and he joins us. thank you for coming on. i cannot help but wonder over time what the effect on the population of the country, of all people, of all colors. and let me state sincerely, almost all of them are good people. it is america, but what is the effect on them when they hear this every day? how does it make them feel about their neighbors? about the country itself? about our future as a country? >> i think that they have almost tune it out now, tucker, we have jumped the proverbial shark, because in the last ten days k n activists candace owens, steve miller, they have all been called either white supremacist or white nationalist, and when everybody is a white nationalist, nobody is.

why is this happening? that is what is so befuddling, i think that the reason is it is part of -- in part it is the demonization of trump supporter's, because after the 25th amendment, and the mueller investigation, storming, michael cohen, there is always some magic bullet that is going to te trump out, and this is the white nationalist conspiracy, and it does not exist. i think that there is also fear, tucker, because trump's economic agenda really achieved record lw hispanic and african-american unemployment. and when he waves and about the anti-catholic bias of the kamala harris or the plague of abortion on minority communities or in open borders effect on driving down wages, that appeals to minority borders, may be more than 20% of black voters are 40% of hispanic voters. and under the democratic calculus, they have so alienated

the white working class with slurs that we have heard, but the deplorable scum of the cleaners, and what joe biden called the drapes of society, they cannot afford to lose-lose any of the minority block voting, or they are in real trouble. and it is very sad, because the engines that are driving this new democratic socialist identity politics party, the omar's, the oak osseo cortez, the al sharp, and they do not have any realm of reference outside of identity politics, it is all day long, 24/7, race, religion, gender. when they venture out of the prism, they talk about the internal combustion engine or the history of 9/11 or the geography of the middle east, they know nothing. we want some intervention. and we look to nancy pelosi or chuck schumer, but they are terrified that these pied piper's represent 50% of their own party. we look for a senior statesman, bob carey was heroic and warning about this extremism.

but look at barack obama. he was edging in 2008, i guess. and now he would be considered passe. when he weighed in, it was very timid about circular firing squad or something. but almost he has become a tragic comic figure, because he is really into and i did build dad, and all the time to profit moment as he speaks his personal wealth, more power to them. but no leadership there that can say that you have to stop this, because you are destroying a once noble party. >> tucker: and a wonderful country too. making people hate each other. whip up race hatred. that's what they are doing. they are whipping up race hatred. professor, thank you very much. it is great to see you. >> thank you for having me, tucker. >> tucker: every democrat running for president has come out for reparations for slavery, cory booker, and leave it to cory booker the innovator, he is going one step further. cory booker once reparations for drug dealers.

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woke-list of all, but every democrat fax the reparations now, how do you stand out? what cory booker has an idea, reparations for drug dealers. >> do not talk about me about legalizing marijuana, unless you talk about expunging the records of the million people who are suffering with not being able to find a job. >> booker does not just one drug convictions expunge, but monetary reparations in drug training and community reinvestment for those impacted by the war on drugs, which means federal dollars to his political supporters, nathan rubin author of "moving america forward" here to explain the idea. just for a little bit of context, currently the right in the middle of the worst drug epidemic in the history of the united states, may be of the west, more people die of drug o.d.es then died of car crashes

and the entirety of the vietnam war, in the middle of that cory booker wants to send tax dollars to drug dealers, tell me why this make sense? >> i don't think that cory booker is talking about sending money to drug dealers, but he is talking about nonviolent drug possession charges, whether it is -- >> tucker: no, he did not say that. he said people with marijuana charges. >> possession. >> tucker: very few people with personal possession charges went to prison for marijuana in the last 20 years. some did, but very few. almost all were people who were accused of dealing drugs. so these are drug dealers. >> over the last year, over 600,000 people have been arrested and charged with marijuana possession. so those people are certainly feeling the effects of being arrested for marijuana possession, and when you look at the rate and usage of marijuana, blacks and whites use equally, but a black man is four times as likely to be arrested for

marijuana possession. so the law, the enforcement of the policy as is structurally discriminatory. what cory booker is saying is that we need to do a better job of reinvesting in these communities if we do decide to legalize marijuana. there is no denying that some of these communities have been negatively affected as a result of the war on drugs. >> tucker: have they been negatively affected by using drugs? or only the fault of law enforcement? we cannot admit that now? hold on, no. the war on drugs, i'm not defending the war on drugs. it is stress that everybody is blaming the system and structural racism of the police, but the taking drugs itself have a negative effect on your community? or are we not allowed to admit that anymore? we have to say no problem at all. >> i think we should separate the use of something like marijuana from the schedule one drugs like methamphetamines, heroin. >> you think that smoking weed every day makes you more

successful, let's be real for a minute. you are going to even the talking points come i want you to answer my question which is does using drugs hold your community back? >> it does hold the community's -- >> tucker: does it or not? >> tucker, let me answer the door question, please. what holds them back our children without parents who are arrested first selling marijuana, they are served at home not being arrested for possessing marijuana. >> tucker: you know i agree with that completely, we do separate millions of families over time, american families with punitive legal system. but i'm trying to ask an adult question, because it goes to the cops, if you do marijuana all the time does not hold you back at? >> i would reply that a conservative principle is to have the freedom to do what you want in the comfort of your hom

home. >> tucker: i don't even know what conservative principles are. i'm not interested in that. i'm interested in a reality. i just want to acknowledge reality. real life, politics aside. conservative, liberal aside, if you are high all the time, does that hold you back? >> i guess so. >> tucker: yeah, it does, it does big time. and we should say that in addition to all of the other things that we say. being high all the time, being wasted all the time is a disaster. >> nobody is saying that people are doing that. hold on one second, tucker. what this conversation is failing to take into account is that marijuana has medicinal qualities. over 33 states have some form of medicinal marijuana, ten have fully legalized it. >> tucker: cocaine has medicinal quality is too. so does alcohol. >> preventing small business odors from investing in their communities and losing out on

tax revenue. >> tucker: degrade the population to make the government richer. >> what is happening at the end of the day is that marijuana sales are funding drug cartels in the black market. colorado, for example, marijuana sold over the last year $1.2 billion, $270 million -- >> tucker: now we are wading into stuff that i know about productive time, unfortunately. >> of course. >> tucker: i gave you five chances to add sir a simple question. and you did finally, nathan, thank you. prosecutors one jail time for felicity huffman and other people in the college admission scandal, what kind of parents n parents expect while in prison? that is next. ♪ get great deals on great gear

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♪ >> tucker: prosecutors are saying that they want jail time

for actress lori loughlin and other parents accused of committing bribery and other forms of fraud to help their kids get into college but what sort of life could they expect if prosecutors have their way? trace gallagher has against her. he joins us tonight. >> tucker, when martha stewart was convicted in 2004 of conspiracy, false statements, and obstruction, it was fitting the queen of domestic bliss was placed into camp cupcake. where she spent her days picking flowers and nights doing yoga. she spent her release confined to her $15 million bedford, new york, mansion. she described the homer ross as "piteous." after reckless driving, paris hilton was sentenced to 45 days in jail. she served three days which led to accusations of special treatment, and sure enough, a judge sent her back to serve an additional 20 days could not with the 2200 other prisoners, mind you, but in a 12-bed

special needs unit. we later learned that her billionaire grandfather donated to head sheriff lee baca's campaign. in 2004 when glen campbell was sentenced in arizona to ten days for extreme dui and fleeing the scene of an accident, he did not serve a share of the infamous 10-city. he stayed in the air condition jail where he could leave for 12 hours a day. so as for the college admission scandal, it is unclear where lori loughlin might serve. if she serves. but because she is a nonviolent offender, experts say that she is likely looking at a martha stewart situation. though there are no camp cupcake's in california. so for flower picking and yoga, she would have to serve out at state. even though there is a low level security prison with prisons where patty hearst and heidi fleiss served their time. >> tucker: flower picking and yoga.

a trace gallagher, thank you. well, if you have been stuck in an airport in vail interiorly, if it criticism of the propaganda laden profiling by calling its critics state tv. that is projection. jeff zucker thinks it is a good line, but the irony is that they are responsible for state tv, and years the affiliates called cnn turk has openly flexed for the anti-american authority government they are. cnn has now been forced to respond to this. i'm going to redo the statement in just a minute. it was elicited from a question by tyner, a turkish journalist who asked them, and they said tt they are in fact working for the government. we are aware of criticism from turkish media with the cnn turk election covered, it is a independent channel, but is part of the agreement and must adhere to the cnn standards.

we are in contact with cnn turk, and they say that they are making every effort to provide a balanced coverage of turkish elections. cnn turk is adhering to cnn standards? that is not reassuring. we reach out with cnn and could not get a response, but we are glad to be joined by johan turner of turkey, thank you for joining us. you are a turkish national who has been banned from turkey, indicted for your tweets. by the government of turkey. so that is the context of the story. when you watch cnn turk, what do you see? >> well, i was just listening to the statement you just read, it is just funny. cnn turk addressing the latest election coverage that we just finished march 1st. but one problem, the problem is that cnn turk, the way that they

are reflecting turkish politics, it is basically a mock of the turkish government that has been going on for years. i've been trying to reach out to the people for 18 months, they have been stonewalling, and recently about a year ago, there is another new family with cnn turk with another outlet that family is the group that is basically known for killing journalism. their business is hurting newspapers such as -- and they are bringing this and firing journalist, and they became those newspapers as propaganda, now they are doing the same thing with cnn turk, over a year ago they got to cnn turk, and they fired hundreds of journalists, many respected journalists.

>> tucker: i'm confused, cnn turk you say as a mouthpiece for the anti-american authoritarian government of turkey which indicts journalists, including you, but cnn lends its brand to this channel? why would they do that? >> probably they are making a lot of money, other than that i don't know how any journalist affiliated with cnn can see cnn turk and just forget about it. it is killing journalism in turkey. >> tucker: if you could speak to jeff stoker who is the head of cnn in the united states, what would you say to him. >> look, it is killing journalism, your turkish sister is killing journalism, they are covering wall-to-wall, the

turkish government propaganda, which is since 2016 shut down about 200 media organizations, and the country turkey is still the country that jails the most journalists in the world. for the last 3-4 years. and to your outlet in turkey is basically propagating for the government. so how can you let this go forever? >> tucker: in one sentence, does it surprise you to learn that jeff zucker, the man you are addressing won's freedom of the press award in the united states? >> you know, i did not see that, but i think what is happening in turkey, he should take a look into that. and he should apologize for what has been going on for the last several years. and he should, as soon a he gets

investigating, he can do something about it. because cnn took international precedent and it was at the turkish president palace a year ago. >> tucker: reported that at the time. and i hope that jeff zucker will listen to your message as a journalist who has been indicted and change his ways. ilhan tanir, thank you very much. alexandria curcio cortez says that if you do not support her agenda, you are a murderer. that's next.

♪ >> tucker: congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez says of the government has to be given more power to fight global warming, if you disagree with that or even hesitate integrating with her immediately, then you are complicit in murderer. >> i think what we have laid out here is a very clear moral problem. and in terms of leadership, if we fail to act, or even if we

delay in acting, we will have blood on our hands. >> tucker: with the children, everything is a clear moral problem. any recent tweets, meanwhile, alexandria ocasio-cortez said that immigration opens the crisis. -- global warming is driving illegal immigration? >> you have to think about it, because it is perfect. finally the environmental crisis is causing wars, it is causing bloodshed, it all started during the last minute straight and started with secretary of state john kerry, the obama administration, in syria. and this was their theory. they thought that it would be fantastic, around and around, and a group of scientists, we have their names, from places like the school of critical social inquiry.

and the sister research, they dug in deep, and they found that it was based on a drought in syria. let's go out and measure the rain, they found an above average rainfall, they went out and found a whole bunch of rain. listen to the conclusions that they came up with. unless new evidence emerges, this case does not prove the multiplier effect to the contrary, we conclude policymakers and commentators that need to use far greater caution when drawing so much languages. this is the best quote. getting the syrian case right or the flawed narrative will negatively affect discussions on the environmental impact of the conflict in the policy fear, no kidding, in other words we got this right and we are super sad, because now you cannot say it is the environment that is causing these. here's the punch line, i know that you thought that you heard

all of the punch lines paid to somebody said that this was one thing that you found on the internet, in fact, it has been corrected everywhere, even at harvard. they are teaching what is called climate change in the syrian civil war, revisited with global fear down your face. so this is what aoc is using as her basis for her argument, but she has not read up and found out that the theory that was just used a little while ago by john kerry and president obama has been debunked. >> tucker: they really should apologize. i've said things that are wrong and i feel sorry about it. i thought there were weapons of mass destruction in baghdad, there weren't. i'm sorry. you should apologize. >> in that case people wanted to see the evidence that you thought you had the evidence pit here there was a two page brief at the heart of it, and if you look at it, they had not done any science. they had not looked at water. i don't know. apparently, i know, so fun.

love seeing you, tucker. >> tucker: great to see you. you probably do not think of peta, and the trump administration as allies, but they had praise for the new 2020 budget coming out of the white house, because they cut funding for the national institute of health. why would peta want that? according to them wasting billions of taxpayer dollars on testing that names or kills animals while producing no benefits for human beings in return. kathy graham, vice president at peta, happy to have her on to explain what she means. thank you for coming on. >> i'm so happy to be here. >> tucker: most people -- i think the trade-off is worth it if it is between an animal being hurt or a child dying, but what you are saying is that there is a lot of research that produces no benefit at all, it is just cruelty and why does this continue? >> yes, the choice really is that our money is wasted or our money is into.

our money is put towards good science, or our money is into. we know that 90% of studies on animals failed to lead to any treatment for human beings. it is a 90% failure rate, 95% of new medicines that test safe and effective in animals fail when they go to human clinical trail. and the national institutes of health is spending 50% of their budget doling out $15 billion to universities across the country to do experiments on animals that are not helping human beings at all. >> tucker: that is grotesque, the idea of animals being hurt for no good reason is really upsetting. i think that most normal people -- why would we be doing that? why would it continue? >> it is a boondoggle, the scam of the highest order in the united states, unfortunately. and universities love it because they do these experiments on animals. animals are cheap and plentiful, easy to write papers about what happens to animals. they get hundreds of millions of dollars each. and they like to keep it all

really secret. they don't want us to know. they kick us off of the facebook pages and deny us ads in student papers, they get sued for the open records laws in the states coming and it's a great way to make money. it's a lot easier than doing good science that might help people. >> tucker: you would think that researchers and normal person would look at what he is doing and say, i cannot keep doing this. it is awful. but they don't? >> you would think that. i think a normal person would, but let me give you an example, i will never forget the $750,000 experiment at oregon health science university where baby monkeys were taken from their mothers when they were born, and they try to scare them with things like mr. potato head bald win dolls. and it had something to do with the diets of their mothers. how about child abuse experiments on mice where they electroshock mice and drop them in water. nothing has come out of it. how about the in power and advertising experiment at duke

university where monkeys were deprived of fluid so that they would work in exchange for a few drops of juice, and the idea was dead the monkeys prefer to look at logos like domino's pizza next to a dominant monkey or a female monkey, that at $18 million in public funding. >> tucker: know, now you have actually made me mad. and duke should be ashamed of that. i hope that you can -- colleges are now in a place where they are apologizing for things that they have done that are wrong in the past. they should apologize for that. and i hope that you can bring an apology out of them. that is appalling. kathy, thank you for coming on. >> thank you. >> tucker: good to see you tonight. not a group we always agree with, but when we agree, we will say so. why would we not? that is that for us tonight, we are out of time, apm, back tomorrow night, the show that is a sworn and totally sincere enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink.

as we always encourage you to do, dvr it if you have not already. it is always in the script, i always read it dutifully, good night from washington, great news for you, ladies and gentlemen, introducing, not for the first time, but like the first time sean hannity from new york city. speaker great news for some people, but not good news if you are in the media, a democrat, or a member of the deep state, how is that? >> tucker: sounds like a good night for me. >> sean: thank you, welcome to "hannity," tonight this is the real deal, inching closer and closer to truth and justice, and holding those that abuse power accountable. for two years on this program, we have watched a political persecution, all based on lies and a hoax driven by anti-trump hatred, that literally wrecks of the very fabric of our society. we have massive developments tonight on many fronts, the attorney general william barr went before the senate appropriations committee today and