shut this out. >> julie: absolutely. we are going to wait for the mueller report to come out as will pay that'll happen in the next week or so. >> bill: may be today. >> julie: maybe sometime soonish. >> bill: qaddafi batt, julie. >> julie: good to be here >> harris: we free and with the fox news alert. any day now any minute now, the president and his wife are set to greet south korea's president has wife of the white house. julian assange is being charged, he is in custody overseas. we await possible remarks for the president on that. he could speak on the host of issues, as you know he will. we'll be ready to bring it all to live. keep watching for that. this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. host of "kennedy" on the fox business network, kennedy. fox news analyst and cohost of "benson & harf" on fox news radio, marie harf. joining us in center city, editor and chief of the "washington examiner," hugo is here. he's "outnumbered."

never out of work! i have you on all the time. it's good to see them. space it's great to be here. >> harris: let's get to the headlines. wikileaks founder julian assange arrested today the ecuadorian embassy in london after ecuador revoked his asylum. u.s. authorities now are charging assange, alleging he engaged in a conspiracy with a former u.s. army intelligent ie analyst chelsea manning. they were hacking into u.s. defense of our computers, used for classified documents. now has extradition for america is being called for. watch. >> i'm tickled to death. i'm glad we finally got that. we can get some facts get the truth out, maybe we can help put an end to all this. >> he should be extradited to face justice here. there are serious charges involving his role in russian meddling in our election. he should face charges without knowing what the outcome will b be. justice should come to

julian assange. >> harris: edward snowden, the former security contractor who leaked classified information on u.s. surveillance programs, was blasting assange's arrest. he tweeted this. "images of the ambassador inviting the u.k. secret police into the embassy to drag a publisher, like it or not, of award-winning journalism out of the building are going to end up in the history books. assange's critics made chair but this is a dark moment for press freedom." greg palkot is live from london. greg? >> hi, harris. i've been quite dull my covering the story for years. for years it's moved at a glacial pace. today it's moving at a lightning speed right now. julian assange is sitting in the u.k. prison. perhaps the wikileaks founder could be sued on his way to united states. it started early this morning. police basically went in, very quickly, to the ecuadorian embassy in london where assange had been holed up for some seven

years. ecuador saying he had violated the terms of the asylum. he came out looking very different than i've seen him a few times. haggard, grizzled, a white beard, resisting. assange was then very quickly taken to a london court and very quickly the judge there found him guilty of jumping bail. remember, he also had face to those sexual assault charges in sweden several years back. the judge called him a narcissist, shameful, and laughable. he could face a year in prison for that. then it was very quickly announced that in early may he will face a hearing regarding that possible extradition to the united states, where he could face charges in connection with what the justice department said today was one of the largest compromises of classified information in u.s. history. specifically, yes, it dealt with him allegedly helping manning break into a pentagon computer system and post thousands of department defense emails and documents. we are told he could get five

years for that. as you can imagine, team assange fighting back. here's what his lawyer had to say. >> this precedent means that any journalist can be extradited for prosecution in the united states for having published truthful information about the united states. >> through his wikileaks website he also allegedly, with the help of russia, in 2016, posted all those dnc democratic national committee messages as well as messages from the hillary clinton campaign. a lot to deal with, a lot of sensitive issues to deal with, too. but at least now it's coming to a head. back to you, harris. >> harris: that's for sure. great work over the years, and it continues. thank you very much. we are waiting, and i want to reset this before we move on to talk. the president and the arrival of south korea's president. as that happens we will take

everybody there. i know the flags are up, we are watching for it. as i was speaking, there it is. as this happens, we will scoot there and take it live. i want to get back to the conversation now, and talk a little bit about what's happening today and what the president might be asked about. whether it's a assange or south korea. >> hugo: i think the big news of the day is assange. so you definitely going to be asked about that. i think that will hinge on the idea of a conspiracy, that assange is accused of being part of. i think that's where it's going to hinge. it's probably not going to be -- the pace would not probably be based on the fact that he published materials. it depends on whether or not he was actually involved in the conspiracy for computer hacking, which it will turn on. i'm sure the president will want to say that. one point here is that when julian assange and wikileaks published hillary clinton's emails in the election, he was not out of favor with the trump campaign and it was the

democrats who were really hostile toward them. now things perhaps are going to be different. i don't see anybody shedding tears over him, though. >> harris: we can hear a bit of the natural sound as we await the arrival of south korea's president, moon jae-in. as it happens again we will take you there live. kennedy, the words "press freedom" were used in that tweet by edward snowden. i just want to get your thoughts on that. >> kennedy: it's a very complex issue. i know people want to dig in on either side, that's been the problem with julian assange. because people have had to "red rover, red rover" and flipped to the other side pretty quickly. because it's the left that defended him originally. also, a lot of civil libertarians defending edward snowden. edward snowden, you saw the treat that he put out. there is a part of what these people do that is very important, and we are seeing that now. for those people who feel that there has been some sort of

conspiracy against the president of the united states, and there are dark things happening beneath the surface were powerful people in secret are doing things that we should know about, they are the stewards of transparency. they just have a different means of getting this information out there. for some people, it's very politically convenient. like the president during the 2016 campaign. we will see what he says. there are a lot of republicans that have had assange in their cross hairs for a long time. and they feel that what he has done is so dangerous. >> melissa: i would love to hear marie's thoughts on that. on the lives that were put in jeopardy because of the things that he has put out there. >> marie: weird mike pompeo when he was cia director called wikileaks a "hostile foreign intelligence service." use that term. i think the intelligence community certainly felt that way, melissa. i understand the desire and the right of the american people to have some transparency into how

we conduct a war overseas, but as you said, this criminal case is not about publishing, according to the government. it's about hacking. so it's not -- if he had gotten it through some other means and then published it, i'm not sure we would be sitting here today. you're absolutely right about president trump. he has said very pallet down my positive things about julian assange over 100 times on the campaign trail. how he threads the needle today i think will be very interesting to see. >> harris: we will see if he is asked about it. i want to reset this because it's something we are watching very closely. we will come to you, hugo, on the backdrop with what's going on with south korea today. the south the south korean president is set to meet with our president, white and surely the white house with his wife. the president and first lady will be there traditionally to drink will not greet them. that's something we can watch live. we want to cut off the screen. this is important. let's talk about that backdrop if we can, hugo. south korea is said to want to talk with our president about easing some sanctions against

north korea. talk about dangerous. that's potentially dangerous. it legitimizes them further, potentially, as nuclear power. or thirst to be them. it also puts us in a rather awkward position with those who would be the first in line of fire from north korea. >> hugo: right. the korean president came into power and ran on a campaign that was much more -- his election campaign was much more prone north korean than his opponent. his family, i think, has a lot of connections with north korea. he was seen right from the beginning as being much more sympathetic and wanting a more dovish approach to north korea. obviously, that does puts the administration here into not only a bind but into a slightly more awkward position. the north korean negotiations are probably -- perhaps they are the biggest possible coup for president trump if he is

successful, and the biggest embarrassment in foreign policy if he is unsuccessful. a lot is riding on this. >> harris: even though the second summit didn't go as planned. >> hugo: right. president trump left early, it was seen to be a failure, but it wasn't seem to be a collapse. i don't think there are any suggestions that president trump is now abandoning this issue. he has already given quite a lot of concessions to north korea. most notably the fact that he has actually sat down with the north korean president and talk to him. >> melissa: that's what makes this meeting so interesting here, as we see the president walk out to greet this leader. the last time we saw him with the north korean leader, he did the walk away. here he is, with the first lady, coming out. about to greet the south korean president, who ostensibly is going to ask him to ease sanctions on north korea. when they are, in fact, first in line if things go wrong. they are on the south korean

border. >> harris: yeah. the south korean president, moon jae-in, arrives with his wife. we see this traditional photo opportunity there. there's a lot to be said for what our relationship will be if the president has to tell him n no. what complicates things. not only for his allies, but he mentioned, that first round of fire, if you will, with the nuclearized, potentially, north korea. it also means our relationships in the region are hinging on something that is occurring on a peninsula where we already have troops deployed and a demilitarized zone. it is complicated. what are your thoughts on where we are right now with south korea and what this meeting could go like? >> hugo: it seems to me that this meeting and the very formal, very dignified, sort of prestigious greeting and meeting here is designed to reiterate the commitment to south korea and say, "this is our

long-standing ally." >> harris: if we have to tell them no. >> hugo: it helps to have this if you want to say no. it allows you to show that this -- the fact that we might say no doesn't mean to say that we are not great allies. >> harris: and the optics on the screen there. warmth, friendship, that you saw -- the 21st ladies. i will call her first lady, but i'm sure they might color something different. a different title and south korea. the two women holding hands in a warm greeting there as they go into the white house. as news is made with the meeting we will of course bring it to you right away. but that is the traditional look at it. thank you for your thoughts on that. coming to his defense, nancy pelosi says joe biden should be judged on what he has done and not on accusations that he is to hands the whether voters and the women in her party agree. plus, fears that the handling of the mueller report, whether the criticisms are warranted or are they getting out of themselves? keep watching.

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the chief law enforcement officer of our country is going off the rails. yesterday, and today. he is attorney general of the united states of america, not the attorney general of donald trump. i don't trust barr, i trust mueller. >> harris: while pelosi has said impeachment is not worth it, she now appears to have a "wait and see" approach, depending with the full mueller report reveals. listen. speak of the fact is that this president has engaged in activities that are unethical, un-american in terms of taking babies out of the arms of their moms, unpatriotic. in every way, he is unfit to be president of the united states. is that an impeachable offense? it depends on what we see in the report. >> melissa: meantime, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell coming to barr's defense.

>> it's obviously a question of whether you trust bill barr or not. he was a confirmed unanimously as attorney general before pretties not trying to cover anything up. he's going to send a similar report that is as open as possible. when i say "as possible," i'm pretty confident he won't throw innocent people under the bus and ruin the reputation. or reveal classified informatio information. >> melissa: hugo, what do you think? is he restoring trust or is he off the rails? >> hugo: he's restoring trust. it's not he was off the rails. what has happened in the last week for a couple weeks, since the report was sent to congress and to the doj, rather, and attorney general barr came out with his four-page -- not summary, but conclusions. >> melissa: bottom line. >> hugo: he's restoring trust.

democrats have become unhinged. they think is off the rails, he's not off the rails. they have become unhinged because they see the collusion narrative turning against them. for two years they have been pushing this as one of the principal ways in which they expect to get back into power, to win the white house. now what has happened is the focus is turning away from the russians and turning toward having a look at what actually happened to make the investigation start. >> melissa: i bet marie disagrees with the characterization of "unhinged." >> marie: yes, obviously. i think it's not accurate, for a number of reasons. but william barr yesterday did himself a disservice in that hearing. when we went on they are noon, he had said that he believes there was spying going on with the trump campaign. a few hours later he said that she was asked, "do you have evidence of anything improper?" and he said, "no. i'm not trying to insinuate that anything improper happen, i just

have questions." so by the end of the day he had said something, that if you read that quote, sounded very incendiary. and then each kept trying to clarify it. when jack read said, "you have anything, any evidence that something improper happened?" he said, point blank, "no." and he was asked what he's investigating, and he said he has questions. we all have questions. william barr yesterday looked to many people like he wasn't being precise. he was using words that are very politically-loaded. yesterday, i think he was trying to do things to maybe make the president happy, or people who like this spying narrative. when he's pressed on it and he says evidence, he says no? >> melissa: you are doing what you accuse the reporters of doing yesterday. when he used part of the court and not the whole thing. >> marie: i said he thinks -- >> melissa: he said he wants to know if it was predicated on something real. he doesn't know, he wants to look. when you listen to the whole quote, kennedy, and not just that he thinks there was spying,

you can see it's consistent. he does want to look and make sure there is reason for it. speak to people like adam schiff take issue with what he termed "incendiary language." so i guess using the term "spying" is now incendiary language. talking about treason, which john brennan did. talking about collusion, which adam schiff has a fetish with. that's okay. so there was spying. the question is, is the spying always bad? if it's not, and if it is justified, then that is what william barr will find. however, nancy pelosi talks about william barr being the attorney general of the united states, not the attorney general of donald trump. well, loretta lynch and eric holder both acted as though they were the attorney general of barack obama and not of the united states. so i think some of that is so hyperpoliticized. and laughable, if that is your grand defense. nancy pelosi, if this were a

democrat regime, she would be just fine with the statement, the summary, the role outcome of the reductions and the timeline. but because it's a republican president -- and all of that, nowadays, there are so many independent voters. it falls on deaf ears. >> harris: can i offer some support to what you said, evidentiary? we know the independent counsel stopped in the late 1990s and that we get special counsel. and the rules are, per se, we note them to be today, that special counsel's -- that they follow the rules. you first give it to the doj, the attorney general makes the decision right along with whomever he likes, basically. whether it's his team, mueller steam, to make redactions based on those four lanes that barr talked about. the most important of which is what hinged the difference between independent and special counsel after the clinton investigation. that is jury testimony. a grand jury testimony is something that we are all told and legally protected that that will stay private. that's only give a testimony. >> hugo: the special counsel,

rather than the independent, the special prosecutor works with the doj. he has to give his findings to the doj. they have to take out things like -- >> harris: 's of the rules are being followed. >> hugo: the rules are being followed. it's absolutely the case that there was spying for the known facts make that perfectly clear. this hardly an activity that could be more defined as spying than electronic surveillance. which is what happened on carter page's emails. it's not only the electronic surveillance. they are about also this professor, at cambridge. he was actually brought in snooping on the white house raid on the trump campaign. he courted both papadopoulos and carter page. and he met and talked with a manager of the trump campaign. what barr will be looking at is the extent to which that was authorized. >> kennedy: and

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>> the people will speak. they will choose the candidates. it's no use, our setting one standard or another. what i love to see two women as candidates customer yes. one? yes. that doesn't mean if there isn't one on the campaign, on the ticket, ultimately, that it's not a ticket that we should all get behind. >> kennedy: nancy, naughty! a big reveal for the most powerful woman in washington. she said they don't need woman on their ticket to take down president trump in 2020. this, as her party is building a record number of women in the presidential race. pelosi also said, coming to joe biden's defense, that the potential candidate and former vice president should be judged on the good things he has done for women over the years. the back rubs, the sniffing. and not the accusations that he has been to handsy and an invader of personal space. watch.

>> what i'm more interested about vice president biden is what he has done in his career for the american people. and, indeed, for women, in terms of the violence against women act, issues like equal pay. all the things he has stood for. many of the women who have concerns about -- and i include myself among them. we are in the public arena. people come up to us, they embrace us, they hug us. what are you going to say, "don't hug me?" >> kennedy: may be. marie, this sounds like an outdated set of talking points and nancy pelosi using. has she upset some women in the party? >> marie: it's interesting, the polls that have been done since these allegations, joe biden is still in first place. and he hasn't even announced yet. what we thought -- there was this great "new york times" study about democratic voters this week. i think it's really instructive for people, that the democratic electorate out there is much more moderate. i would even say conservative in some ways, than the democratic

commentariat on twitter. that we hear from and gets a lot of attention. real democratic voters are actually much more moderate. they are in enough numbers out there that they can decide the next nominee. that is why i think, in part, you still see someone like joe biden at the top. nancy pelosi is right -- i would love to have women on the ticket. i would love to have men. i just want someone who can beat donald trump and that's where most voters are today. >> harris: do you think it still joe biden? the most likely to beat donald trump, from a democrat perspective? >> marie: probably, but i don't think there's one magic candidate. there's a number of democrats with the right message. i don't think he's the the end-all be-all. if he doesn't want to get the nation, it's not over. >> harris: who else can beat him? >> marie: there's a number of people. i think beto could. i think bernie sanders code. pete buttigieg is making some headwind in important places like new hampshire. he could be in third place.

>> melissa: marie had on the thing that's always the question with parties in this. period the moderate part is always largest in numbers. but maybe not largest in terms of enthusiasm and turning out the vote. that's where the question comes in. it's the same for every party in every election. if you go with the person that's going to appeal to the largest number of people in your party, are they exciting enough, that candidate, to get people to show up on the day of the election? because nobody would have thought that president trump would have appealed to the largest number of republicans. space is i don't think for a moment -- i think joe biden's leading now is primarily about name recognition. that's also why bernie sanders is very high, released part of why he is high in the poll. other candidates -- joe biden has run the presidency twice before, and his popularity was within the margin of error. it was a rounding error. >> kennedy: but that was

before he was vice president. >> hugo: it was before he was vice president, and now he has great name recognition. but my expectation is that throughout their primary process, if he is challenged, we will see his numbers come down. i think is actually pretty vulnerable. one of the things that nancy pelosi said, "look at his record rather than this recent scandal." actually, if you look at his record, there's a lot to criticize him for. he was actually the face of the obama administration when it basically removed due process from men who were accused of being too handsy, for example, and universities. that will come back to haunt him. it has come back to haunt him now in this #metoo issue. but he's done a lot in his career they can get criticized for. i don't see them necessarily being the victim, even if he jumps in. >> kennedy: kamala harris is the only woman who has even broached double digits. just about 10%. what you make of that? >> marie: i also think she can beat donald trump. remember when we talked about -- >> kennedy: but how does she

get past the fellas ahead of her? >> marie: we are far ahead of the selection. we haven't had one debate with all of them on stage together. i think when we see them all together, we will see -- >> kennedy: there's not a stage big enough. [laughter] >> marie: we will see who's better on the national stage and who isn't. we seen from her rollout, or town halls, she is a very good politician. that will come to the fore when she's on a stage of these other candidates. >> kennedy: we will see! so much look forward to as we speed toward that 2020 election. our own harris faulkner is heading to the state, getting brought back down to brass tacks, iowa! she's going to moderate a town hall in urbandale with old matt done like a live audience. she will get their take on what they want in a presidential candidate, as well as hot button issues like the green new deal, #metooclose -- #metooclose --movement,andsocia lism. willgettheirvotes. it'ssundaynight,8:00 p.m.eastern 5:00inthewest. righthereonfnc. welldone. speaks

1 >> harris: thank you, hannity! >> kennedy: dinero takes on the report and its origins. will the full redacted report settle any of this? we will debate next. >> chuck schumer said two years ago, about then-president-elect trump, said, "if you mess with the intelligence committee, they have six ways from sunday of getting back at you." bill barr will find out if that statement it was actually carried out. ♪ i'd like to take a moment to address my fellow veterans, because i know there are so many of you who have served our country honorably. whether it's two years, four years or thirty-two years like myself. one of the benefits we as a country give our veterans is eligibility for a va loan for up to 100% of your home's value. so if you need money for your family, call newday usa. with automatic authority from the va, we can say yes when banks say no. call 1-833-844-6708.

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>> marie: that was house judiciary committee chairman jerry nadler, amid fallout from the senate testimony of william barr yesterday. we talked about it today. he claims that top intel officials in the obama administration "spied on" the trump campaign in 2016. as we await the release of the full mealy report, dueling democratic and republican narratives are already emerging over the origins of the mueller probe. committee chairman lindsey graham questioning if surveillance was lawful and criticizing the dossier that purportedly helped launch, in part, the investigation. >> there is no doubt that we are spying on trump's people and campaign. the question is, was lawful? i believe that the dossier is unverified to this day. i have a reason to believe it was the main reason the warrant was issued. i believe the court was never told it was paid for by political party and that the person or parroted who were who prepared a hated trump. i believe it's questionable at

best. >> marie: jim comey also questioning the spying comments moments ago on an event cybersecurity. "i've no idea what the heck is talking about." it's interesting. as we talk about these fisa words in this investigation for years now, there are some who see more if the information and said it was pretty aboveboard. there are others who don't think that. how can barr navigate this politically-treacherous place he's in right now? >> harris: i think he just has to follow with the rules and drugs are. i keep going back to that because that's what he promised to do, and that's what we know he's good at. he's got to get in that lane and drive hard in it. i don't think you can afford either reputation lies or moving forward with the country to capitulate to one side of the other. trey gowdy and others who have seen -- i a gas when they've seen information unredacted, i don't know. they've seen within the american public has. we have one opinion. but an anti-trump dossier played a role in fisa in some kind of

way. that's part of the story i think americans are sensitive to on both sides of the political aisle. because somebody taking an illegal -- that's too strong a word. an overreach to look at any of us, that can cause problems. we want to know as americans that everyone is treated fairly. that's the part of the story, regardless of what they think they saw in the fisa warrant. it was pushed through three times to look at a staff member on the trump campaign. papadopoulos. we just want to know the process. i think as it barr just follows those rules -- and he seems to be the type of person who does, and has a track history of doing so -- that we will all be edified by that >> kennedy: that seems like it was his answer to a lot of questions yesterday. that's what he would do about this, he said, because he was with the relation is, what i would do." they pressed on, "with this make more sense?" and he just says he will follow with the regular agent says and do that. even down to talking about the grand jury. saying, "my role is to make americans feel like things are going to be done the right way."

to sort of restore confidence in the process. if you go into a grand jury thinking that it's going to be secret, it has to be secret. >> harris: and that's why he opened her mouth. right. >> hugo: he's not the kind of person who would jump into conspiratorial nonsense. it was very interesting to hear jerrold nadler use that phrase. one thing that we -- >> melissa: how do we know that point, though? >> hugo: exactly paid the one thing we know that is conspiratorial nonsense, or seen narrative. it has to be looked at, how we came to be investigated first a candidate and then a president, on the basis of a document which now seems to be false. i've mentioned once before, there's an old saying, that truth exists and only falsehoods have to be invented. someone or a group of people had to have put this idea together. it's actually very important to find out who did this, how it came about, was it just incompetence? was there some kind of malfeasance?

>> kennedy: an objectivist offer that quote. yes, my dear? >> marie: we know that russia did certain things around the 2016 election. >> kennedy: sure, and not just in america. >> marie: in part, what mueller came up with and put in his report -- allegedly, reportedly -- is that it was a real threat. and it continues to be a real threat, as we know. >> kennedy: in addition to russia being a real threat and the trump campaign working with russia to change the outcome of the election. that was the thrust of the charge. andrew mccabe, a month ago, on his book tour, when asked if the president was a russian asset, he said, "yeah, it's possible." that's conspiratorial nonsense. that's the textbook definition of conspiratorial nonsense. i really don't feel that the mueller report is going to say something other than, "the term campaign did not collude with russia." it might see a bunch of other stuff, but on that point i don't think bill barr is just fudging. >> marie: we will all wait and see. more news amid the shake-up of

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shake-up at the homeland security department, president trump returning to his signature campaign promise, building the wall. at a 2020 fund-raiser in texas yesterday, warning of the danger and tragedy of migrants flowing across the mexican border. watch. >> i said, what's the solution? you live here, you know the area so well, you know the border better than anybody. this is in the border. it's a ways away. but you get plenty of action even appeared. the border is down there but many are involved with the border. what really is the answer? you've got to have a wall. if you don't have a wall, it's never going to end. >> melissa: in the meantime, house homeland security chairman, thompson, is demanding that kevin mcaleenan come before his committee next month and produce documents thompson says he's been waiting for since january. house speaker nancy pelosi slamming the administration's homeland security purge.

>> what is happening on our border is something that is so contrary to the values of our country. so undermining of our commitment to family values. this administration just is in a downward spiral of indecency. now the president is saying he is the decider on how all of that goes. we've all known that. this is his agenda. we have to have comprehensive immigration reform. >> melissa: person after person is getting asked. it's a housecleaning. >> hugo: its absolute housecleaning. he probably doesn't like that word, but you fire the top person a new fire others as well, he clearly wants to set things up for the coming two years heading toward 2020. he doesn't feel like there has been -- that his administration has been effective down at the border. as the facts of the border, as the numbers keep rising, he

wants to be able to blame the democrats. i think he has a pretty good case to do so. he also has to talk about the courts, which have expanded the definition of asylum to include things like domestic violence. everything that has been done now is encouraging more and more people to come from central and south america. he knows it's going to be a big issue whether or not he wants it to be. >> melissa: marie? >> marie: it's interesting the reports we've seen, that jared kushner is putting together this immigration plan. that kushner and others think they might be able to bring some more moderate democrats on board. but then you have full, waiting in the links, stephen miller. every time you think that administration is getting close to may be something that could be agreed upon in congress, he comes and come up with a bunch of poison pills in it, and it never goes anywhere. it feels like there is still attention, despite his purge at dhs. there is a tension about who will get the word at the end of the day. you have people around and with

big portfolios who are in different places on this issue. >> kennedy: i want nancy pelosi to put up or shut up. she's the speaker of the house. she can offer legislation that will tackle some of the biggest immigration problems that we have, and she needs -- it's not going to become rancid. she knows that. >> melissa: but give them something. >> kennedy: absolutely. >> harris: there's breaking news of the white house right now. we promised we would take you inside. the meeting that was going on, with reporters there live, the president of south korea and his wife arriving a short time ago. we showed you that life. the presidents of both countries, the u.s. and south korea, in front of reporters. we are now getting that videotape that came out seconds ago. we are also getting a heads up on what they're talking about. obviously they are talking about the sanctions against north korea. can they be movement beyond the last summit of the president had with north korea's leader? south korea, with a request, "can you relieve some of the

sanctions?" will the president say yes or no? let's watch together. >> reporter: mr. president , are you willing to allow relaxing sanctions for more economic projects? at >> president trump: we are discussing certain humanitarian things right now. and i'm okay with that, to be honest. you have to be okay with that. south korea is doing certain things to help out with food and various other things for north korea. we will be discussing different things. again, the relationship is a much different relationship than it was two years ago. you remember what that was all about. certainly, during the obama administration where nuclear weapons were being tested often, where rockets and missiles were being sent up, in many cases, over japan. we are in a much different

situation right now. we will be discussing that. very much, actually. [reporters asking questions] i know nothing about wikileaks. it's not my thing. i know there is something having to do with julian assange. i have been seeing what has happened with assange. that will be a determination, i would imagine, mostly by the attorney general, who is doing an excellent job. he will be making a determination. i know nothing really about him. it's not my deal in life. [reporters asking questions] >> president trump: i don't really have an opinion. end of the general will be involved and you will make a decision. >> reporter: mr. president , are you aware that william barr said there were spies on your campaign? >> president trump: i think what he said was true. they absolutely was spying into my campaign. i will go a step further and say that it's my opinion that it was

illegal, unprecedented spying paid something that should never be allowed to happen in our country again. i think his answer was actually a very accurate one and a lot of people understand, many, many people understand, the situation and want to be open to that situation. hard to believe it could have happened, but it did. there was spying in my campaign, and his answer was a very accurate one. reporter mike are you concerned -- >> president trump: it could happen. it's step-by-step. it's not a fast process. i never said it would be. it's step-by-step. i enjoyed the summits, i enjoyed being with the chairman. i think it has been very productive. it really is, it's a step-by-step. it's not going to go fast. i've been telling you that for a long time. if it goes fast, it will be the proper deal. i think it would be largely dependent on chairman kim.

we will do what's necessary. i know president moon has been fighting in this battle for a long time. he's done an excellent job. i consider him a great ally. a lot of good things are happening. a lot of good things are happening in the world. our economy is the best it's ever been. our employment numbers, unemployment, and employment, are the best they've ever been. we have more people working right now in the united states than we have ever had before. almost 160 million people. likewise, south korea is doing very well. their economy is doing well. i think our trade deal has helped that process. we are sitting on two great countries right now. we are leading two great countries. i can speak for myself and i think i can speak for president moon. we think that north korea has tremendous potential, really, potential under the leadership of kim jong un. let's see how it works out. >> reporter: mr. president --

>> president trump: i don't want to comment on that. we have a very good relationship. >> reporter: mr. president, on the mueller report, are you concerned that barr said he will not redact that report to protect your reputation? >> president trump: i'm not concerned about anything. frankly, there was no collusion and no obstruction. we never did anything wrong. the people that did something wrong with the other side, the dirty cops and the problems that were caused. it's a disgrace what happened. again, it should never happen to a president again. you're just lucky i happen to be the president, because a lot of other presidents would have reacted much differently than i reacted. you are very lucky i was the president during this scam. during the russian hoax, as i call it. so, no, i'm not concerned at all. the bottom line, the result, no collusion, no obstruction. that's the way it is. i know a lot of people were very disappointed, but they knew the real answer. when the democrats go behind the scenes and they go into a room backstage and i sit and talk,

they laughed. because they know it's all a big scam, big hoax. that's called politics, but this is dirty politics. so this is actually treason. it's a very bad thing that people have done. i just hope that law enforcement takes it up, because if they don't take it up they are doing a great disservice to our country. >> reporter: [indistinct question] >> president trump: we are talking about long term. we want to have long term. our relationship with south korea is extraordinary. we only think in terms of long term, with korea. okay? >> reporter: [speaking korean] >> translator: how much do