tomorrow coast to coast, we'll be getting a sense of what's going on in wisconsin right now, there are plans for democrats. a state that the president won. the former governor there, scott walker, handicaps that beginning at noon. see you then. here's "the five." >> greg: jesse watters along with juan williams. this is "the five." ♪ >> rocking it. >> yeah. >> there it is. >> the game is see if you can guess the theme. i picked everyone's segments. >> i already know the theme.

you already played the music. >> we get to hear a segment and then you're welcome. you're going to love it. >> this is car music. you see those guys in the cars that go -- >> with the hydraulics. >> yes, exactly. >> i like it. see if you can do better than juan. julian assange could soon be extradited to the united states. dramatic video showing the bearded wikileaks founder shouting as he was being hauled away. the doj charging him with conspiracy, chelsea manning hack into the pentagon's computers. they're vowing to fight the extra tdition and saying it's a crackdown on the free press. >> all media organizations in europe and elsewhere around the world. any journalist can be extradited

for prosecution in the united states for having published truthful information about the united states. >> edward snowden is calling assange arrest, "a dark moment for press freedom." other reaction also pouring in. >> if you believe in national security, if you believe in the safety of the united states, he's avil villain. >> julian ag ssange is a hero. >> i do not regard him as a hero. julian assange has put american lives at risk. >> i'm glad that the wheels of justice are finally turning when it comes to mr. assange. i've never been a fan. >> and president trump was also asked about it earlier. >> i know nothing about wikileaks. it's not my thing. i know there is something having to do with julian assange.

i've been seeing what's happened with assange. and that will be a determination, i would imagine, mostly by the attorney general. >> all right, well, we'll get to that in a second. the people's opinions, greg, of julian assange have really changed over the years. at first the democrats loved him, then they hated him. where do they stand now? >> greg: here's the deal. i e-mailed dana and our producer megan this morning. i said, i don't want to do this story because i can't even remember how i feel about julian assange. because we -- when "the five" began, i guess -- going on eight years. >> 2010, 2011. >> greg: i can't tell you how i feel about assange and i don't think most of america even remembers because the last three to four years has been turned upside down. every ideology, every side, every team sport has been somehow mixed up and changed. i can't tell you how i feel.

i will find an argument in this. people upset about this arrest are saying this is an attack on journalism, a dark day on journalism. if that is true, you could never arrest anybody hacking into your computer or maybe even breaking into your apartment. let's say my assistant goes into my computer and takes all of my e-mails. it doesn't matter if there's good stuff in there or bad stuff, she is stealing my property. she ships that over to the "washington post" and they have a story about me running an amazing drug ring out of my office -- not true -- she had broken the law. but if somebody is taking something that belongs to you, in this case that's what the charge is is breaking into a state department computer and stealing. if somebody comes in taking my e-mails, that is theft. can you call theft journalism? i don't think you can. there is no reporting in theft. right? it's only a story if they find something in your e-mails.

but that's not journalism. that is hacking. that's my theory. >> that is a great theory. one of many great theories from you, greg. dana, the obama administration didn't charge assange with what he is now being charged with. people are saying why was it not illegal then, but now it is. >> i think it's because -- my opinion about assange has never changed. i'm team america. what he -- he's not even american. how does he get first amendment protection for journalism. >> greg: now we remember the shows we did. >> dana: but i was right. it is very interesting. one of the things about the obama administration, they're stymied. there were actual intelligence harms that were done, diplomatic harms that resulted from this. then you have bradley manning's transformati

transformation. obama pardoned her at the end. then these people take on these mythical -- like they're heros. one's a hero and one's a heroi in, now. they couldn't figure out how to charge him without being able to get journalistic protection. the trump administration should be like, look it up, we figured it out. through additional investigation, maybe we'll find this out, they were the ones to say this is not a first amendment claim, this was a national security threat. they want all of our information to be open and free to everybody, except they howl about internet companies and privacy. >> it is bizarre. juan, look great today after a big birthday night out, i'm sure. >> juan: oh, yeah, that was me. >> it seems like the left is trying to link president trump with julian assange now, pulling all these tapes, i guess, from the campaign when the president

was saying wikileaks, i can't wait to read what they said. i guess that's the new collusion, perhaps, is that it? >> juan: i think he was encouraging them. today, he says, wikileaks, i know nothing about wikileaks. it's so obviously wrong-headed and he's just trying to avoid any connection. let's leave that alone. that's politics. i'm very interested in this story because it's evidence that the -- first, the ecuadorians threw him out. >> dana: he was also threatening their government. >> juan: clearly the first step is that they had been granting him asylum by holding him in that embassy. once he's out, then he's subject to possible extradition. now, the u.s. charge is very careful. it doesn't get into the argument that greg and dana have been going through about journalism, not journalism. it says you were a co-conspirator helping chelsea

manning hack into our defense department computers. that's clearly illegal. that's why he can be extradited and likely to lose that case, in my opinion. when you ask me, though, you know, i got hurt by wikileaks because i lost my cell phone and i was awakened in las vegas after it was hacked and they had my cell phone. it's just very unpleasant. >> i got to use that excuse once, too. >> greg: you were answering the phone on air. do you remember that? >> juan: people got a huge kick out of you answering my phone. afterwards people were still calling numbers, so i got rid of it and they'd say, can i talk to greg. what about me! [ laughter ] am i chopped liver here? serious news organizations, you can walk in and say, hey, juan, here's the pentagon papers. i'll say, well, let me see it. it's not me telling you here's how to break the law.

>> greg: the allegation was he was trying to crack the passwords in order to infiltrate the state department system. amazing how he was able to stay in the embassy for seven years. there must have been a lot of behind the scenes dealings when the ecuadorians, the british, and the u.s. >> no longer. legally think of it as a brilliant strategy, frankly, that the just d.o.j. has undergone at this point because their burden of proof is so low, it's so clear, it's so simple. you are right, it has nothing to do with what was stolen or published or done, it was, you broke into the house. there's no defense beyond that. the uk-u.s. extradition treaty, right now at this point the next step after this bail thing which we know he might face a year in jail in the uk, the uk court will review the charging document. if there is the requisite specificity, then they extradite

him here. as we know, he faces up to five years in prison. to me, that is interesting. we talked about this before the show. the seven years of his self-imposed compile and the wretched creature we saw being brought out of the embassy today, he was in a worse hell and worse prison anticipating all of this and worrying about it and freaking out than -- >> -- like pamela anderson. >> what about the statute of limitations? >> if there is, it's usually five years. because he was granted asylum by ecuador, it tolls the statute of limitations. there is no way they underwent all this without having them know they can rely on that to pull it, which means to pause it. i think -- >> on the left people say that he's a hero because, you know, it turned out that he revealed information about the u.s. government, in fact, monitoring or surveilling american citizens and we, as americans, have the right to know is the argument.

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in california, janet miller, fantastic. ♪ >> i'm very honored you chose this song for me and so is the attorney general william barr. he dropped this bombshell during a hearing on capitol hill yesterday. >> i think spying on a political campaign is a big deal. yes, i think spying did occur. >> democrats and some of the media are furious with barr for saying spying did occur on the trump campaign in 2016. watch. >> the chief law enforcement officer of our country is going off the rails. he is attorney general of the

united states of america. he is the attorney general of america. not the attorney general of donald trump. >> it feels like that basically the attorney general gaslit the country. >> when barr opens his mouth, trump's words come popping out. >> he acted more like a personal lawyer for donald trump today than the attorney general. >> is he saying the kind of language that trump wants to hear him use? >> so i think of bill barr as somebody very professional, who chooses his words carefully, tries to be very mature and reverveed. >> they brought back brennan. >> yeah. >> now they're using the words -- >> you know what this is? the media trying to make a dozen sandwiches out of one cold cut. they need collusion helper. they need to make this meal

bigger. now they're just arguing over words. now they're arguing over whether spy is positive or negative. the media were expecting this giant, massive -- >> hoagie. >> -- hoagie, and all they got was a wet noodle. >> the attorney general, this is not his first rodeo. he was confirmed unanimously by the senate when he worked for george h.w. bush back in the day. do you think perhaps given the democrats something to howl about was also part of his plan? >> he did say there was spying, but he also said we need to know what it was predicated on and that's where the investigation is now going to go. greg's right. they're playing word games now. don't say radical islam, don't say spying. there was a tweet yet, they were just using covert overseas

intelligence assets obtained via national security letters and fisa warrants to secretly collect and distribute information about private u.s. citizens. say juan gets framed for a murder he didn't commit then acquitted. wouldn't you want internal affairs to look into how the whole thing happened? >> i want to go home. >> i want to know how the whole thing happened. the media is so corrupt. they're not interested in the truth. they're not interested in the fact. you have a democrat administration spying on a republican presidential campaign, and the media's saying, eh, i don't care. they don't care -- >> but they want -- >> -- they were complicit in it. >> but they want to investigate julian assange and wikileaks and their involvement in spying on the democrats. >> i have a very strong differing point of view here, i think bill barr knew he wasn't hanging out with his chums just

talking, he knew he was in front of the congress of the united states. he did it in a pandering gesture to president trump's talk about coups and witch hunts. to me, the inspector general at justice is apparently already looking into this. he should have simply said let's wait and see what the inspector general finds. to jesse's point, a fisa report, even if you said we used a fisa document, that's thoroughly legal. >> we don't know -- >> of course -- it went to the court, it went to the fisa judges who said -- >> we don't know -- no, no, no, hoodwinked the fisa judge. >> it was repeatedly put before the fisa court judges who made a determination. >> everything's on the up and up, is that what you're saying? >> that's what i'm saying. >> why can't we investigate it? >> barr says he has no evidence and then later tries to walk it back. >> juan, juan, no evidence. you have fisa warrants --

>> fisa warrant is a legal document. >> you have human intelligence assets. >> juan, they had -- in the 2016 campaign -- there was russian interference that -- >> blah, blah, blah. >> -- and of course u.s. intelligence was -- >> can i get emily in? >> one more thing. if you have a paid fbi informant trying to gain access to the trump campaign and he's being paid by the obama administration -- >> he's not been paid by the -- >> juan, juan -- >> -- he's being paid -- >> -- a paid informant, yes or no? >> that's not -- >> you have a paid british intelligence asset -- >> come on. >> -- trying to get a job on the trump campaign and invited papadopoulos over to london -- >> you know what? you are engaged in a torture conspiracy theory. >> all coming out now. >> oh, yeah.

>> talk real fast. >> none of these people have memories, but i do. in 2013 when there was an entire freakout about the fisa court at that time and verizon and prism and how it was used, there was a bipartisan bill to declassify significant rulings of the fisa court. and nancy pelosi, for example, back then said that the administration is just aqueo custodian of info. she was clear she would not vote for it in 2005 and 2013. here they all are not caring apparently this time around that there's a strong evidentiary assumption happening that in fact the government did expound its limits. for some reason now, everyone ceases to care. >> i like when you use big words. >> you missed it. she said dang. >> i did hear that. up next, new york post is not holding back with this powerful

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lose access to our civil liberties. >> the new york post slamming the freshman congresswoman's 9/11 brushoff with this cover, the paper also ripping her in an op-ed, a member of congress can't acknowledge what happened on one of the most horrific days in u.s. history. omar was on the late show last night, but steven colbert did not ask her about the comments. she did complain about a double standard. >> this kind of double standard really is quite, you know, offensive and very much embedded in a lot of our culture these days where you will have people get -- come after minorities for things that they say -- they might have insinuated. >> greg, that was a pretty powerful message from the new

york post. >> it was one of their best covers. first up, the media strategy here is to gauge our response or frame our response as more offensive than what she said. they're creating an armor of victimhood for her. it holds no candle to the families and the victims of 9/11 and a country that was devastated. i'm going to say she -- she made a mistake. i don't think she excused terror. she thought that the truth would offend her hosts. she is guilty of islamaphobia. she believed the strong moral language about 9/11 would offend her friends at c.a.r.e. so she conflated the aims of c.a.r.e. with the desires of the hijackers. otherwise, why wouldn't she condemn it outright. these terrorists came and attacked a country i loved dearly. we have been harmed, too, since

then. that would have been the shift. she felt she couldn't say that because she didn't want to offend her host. that's her own psychological con inflation. she's the islamaphobe in that case. >> dana, she complains about a double standard. >> i talked in b block about bill barr as somebody who chooses his words carefully. sometimes you get in trouble for things because you say it on live tv and didn't mean it that way. she chooses her words carefully as well, and it's for that exact reason. other than a green new deal and medicare for all, the republican's best political tool to use is to go against her and her comments. there are 31 democrats that won this past year in 2018 where trump won the district as well. so trump won in 2016, the democrat squeaks out a win in 2018. they are the targets for the republicans to try to take back the house.

every single one of them is going to have to answer, do you agree with congresswoman omar. this happens in wave elections like in 2018. people get swept ashore that wouldn't necessarily be able to usually win in an election, and the democrats have a real situation on their hands. >> i mean, i can't believe she was on colbert. doesn't that take away? think about this. you're in from out of town and you get tickets to the late show and they try omar out. oh, my god, who is this person. she's not an a-lister, a b-lister. she doesn't know how to wave. she goes like this with her hand. she goes like this like a robot, which is weird. she sits down, acts totally uncomfortable and insecure. the audience is dead silent. it's probably the worst booking of all time. she doesn't know how to read the room. she is in congress now. she's not back in her district in minnesota with her radical

friends. she represents the united states of america. as a member of congress, you do not act dismissively towards 9/11 and about the 9/11 hijackers. she obviously doesn't get that. that's a huge problem. she says dumb and controversial things, she gets called out for it, and then she plays the victim and plays the race card. and it's not a clever act. and it's getting tired. you know who's probably the most tired of it? nancy pelosi. nancy pelosi, they do well, the democrats when they try to keep a lid on the radicalism. omar has blown the whole lid off. it's april and she's already been accused of anti-semitism and anti-americanism and we're not even three months into the new congress. >> what does the house leadership do? what do they do with this? >> i don't think they have to do much. they can go after her. they go after aoc. they make them into demons. that's not the issue that's going to be, i think, in 2020 in the presidential race or mid

terms. president trump is also playing this, oh, jewish people come vote -- you know what? everybody sees that for what it is. the northeast, that's an inflammatory cover. there are lots of news organizations that wouldn't even use that cover and haven't used it, but i think that even if you say it's appropriate because of her comments, i would say it doesn't live up -- it's not -- it's not enough what she said to justify something as upsetting to me personally as the -- you know, a moment when, you know, i think thousands of people died in that moment. and my fellow americans. i -- i just think it wasn't enough for that. i will -- >> you think it's a good reminder, though? >> you never forget. >> i think it was an attempt, again, because she's an easy target and i think -- >> legitimate rage in that cover. >> that -- that cover doesn't fit with what she said. she -- she was flip and i think she didn't speak carefully, greg, but i do think she needs

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one listening to your conversation. it turns out the tech giant's employees are listening, too. amazon reportedly has thousands of workers reviewing, transcribing, recording from its echo device. they say it's being done so alexa can better understand and respond to human speech. it's raising serious privacy concerns. employees are saying they have chat rooms where they share amusing recordings among themselves. amazon says they take customer security and privacy very seriously. you're making noises. >> i am. maybe three years ago, i got an alexa. we used it a little bit. it was kind of confusing. i'd ask the "jeopardy" question of the day, maybe a podcast. owner operated problems. we went away on that trip to

africa, we came back and it didn't work. i couldn't get it to reset. >> it died of loneliness. >> i've never plugged it back in because of this concern. remember that story we had where the -- the conversation accidentally gets uploaded to all the friends in your contact list. i don't want anything to do with that. >> the stuff you talk about with peter is disgusting. >> i thought you'd heard it. [ laughter ] >> there's nobody saying what they're doing is illegal. i think the point here is that so many of us americans -- maybe dana is in this -- we don't know what we're doing when we buy these devices. there are unintended consequences to facebook, amazon and google. they're using us. >> totally. it's one more example of a pandora's box of data and information about which we know nothing and have no control. what stuck out to me are number

one, the whole human designation of critical data. if your conversations include banking data, these guys are like, oh, we're marking that one. it reminded me of mass discovery teams deployed for big cases in law where a bunch of young attorneys are looking through documents. it's so rife with error. i just want to bring up two questions. what is the duty and what is the scope? do these people have a duty to report when they overhear a sexual assault? because from what we know thus far, when they -- >> murder. >> -- up the chain, they didn't. when law enforcement tried to subpoena evidence from alexa of certain crimes, amazon was like, no way. and so to me, i think it also -- it raises a lot of questions, certainly more than answering them. >> if it raises a lot of questions, would you put your faith in the company? >> yeah. this is what i do. since i know alexa is spying on me, i like to butter up my

eavesdroppers. i'd say something like i think jeff bezos is an incredibly innovative capitalist. since we know the chinese are listening, i'll be at mar-a-lago, over cocktails just drop this in a conversation, chairman xi is a strong leader. and we know the cia is watching and listening. i think the cia is just trying to keep us safe. the cia, alexa, chinese, all spying on us. can i use that word "spying"? is that okay? >> thank you mr. attorney general. i guess donald trump fed you that one, right? >> that's right. >> ooh. >> greg? [ laughter ] >> the problem is many companies claim that using your information helps them better target you with the ads for products you want. the problem is, you really are what you buy. >> i agree. >> if you're ever sitting in front of your computer with a friend or a spouse and an ad

pops up that is arguably targeting a personal desire or need, it can get pretty awkward. something shows up -- >> i don't understand. like -- like an ad -- like a what? >> a product you are drifting toward. >> it pulls up an ad you were targeting, like, oh. >> technology happens first, and then we're scrambling to create the boundaries. i made a list of the tech ahead of human consequences. smartphones, which have led to car accidents. social media which leads to bullying and scapegoating. computers have led to hacking and attacks on grids and viruses. alexa, google, loss of privacy. we create these things and then we're trying to get back and figure out how to put that cat back into the sack. you can't put that cat in the sack, emily. it's too late. the cat's out of the sack. the horse has left the bag.

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woman jailed for years on non-violent charges. why not? if this person can become a lawyer, and this person can become a lawyer, and this person can become a lawyer, and i say person loosely, why can't kim? she's got more sense than all of them combined. avenatti just got his $5 million jet confiscated. what does that tell you? lawyers get away with everything because they know how to get around everything. avenatti only got caught because the media's roach motel drew him out of the noox aks and crannie where he did his dirty work. we should all become lawyers. because if you look at life, it's basically a game of monopoly and lawyers are the people who write the instructions and actually take a few minutes to read them. without a law degree, we're just saps.

instead of knocking kim for bringing a little boom-boom to the courtroom, we should follow her lead and let her rest her case wherever she wants. emily, you claim to be a lawyer. i don't doubt it for one second. you talk like a lawyer. very fast. you read everything, the small print. you know what's going on in this world. i'm scared of you. >> okay. on this -- >> that wasn't a question. [ laughter ] >> i think what struck me about her reasoning for this -- and first of all, she's not going to law school. she's undertaking a four-year apprenticeship with the law firm. she takes a mini bar exam. if she passes, she's allowed to continue. her statement, if i knew more, i could do more. >> if i knew more, i could do more? that is her statement? >> i wonder however if being an attorney is that. i think somebody with millions of followers who is literally the influencer of the century for everyone else, you know, but

people at this table, then i think maybe she could do more with her attention rather -- were on the attention on her. >> but if she knew less, then she would dress less. i don't know. juan, thoughts? >> if she knew less, she would dress less? i would say she's distracting in the courtroom. i -- this to me is like amateur hour. she said she was in -- i think it was the roosevelt room at the white house with the president, boy, these people are making -- i want to know more. to me, it's very juvenile. you know what, she's going to have to stick it through. as you said, a four-year deal. you know what, let's look at the positive side. as you said, emily, she's very influential with young people who hold her up, who admire her. clearly she's morphed into somebody who says i want to do more with my life, i really want to have impact on america and

the criminal justice system. go, girl. you got it. >> when you're around a good lawyer, it's a super power. it's like they have access to stuff you don't. >> and you're going to need one. >> yes. >> you need a good lawyer in your life. law school i've heard is like taking three foreign languages at the same time. i would add one thing. >> what? >> if she knew how, she would have more wow. >> that's pretty good. jes jesse, wouldn't the solution be to teach law in grade school? >> i can't get over her statement. [ laughter ] if i knew more, i would do more? >> she's trying. you think knowing more is overrated. >> no. [ laughter ] >> my favorite is when jesse gets tears in his eyes. >> what's her hourly rate? 200, 300? >> i think 500.

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