josh and bruno, you are the hands and feet. you are tonight's hands and feet, leopard. here is something you don't see everyday, jeffrey the campbell, in michigan, jeffrey took a field trip and guess what they called ahead for special permission, don't just do this if you have a camel and we will see you tomorrow for more "fox news @ night." ♪ >> shannon: come to tucker carlson tonight we keep leakers julian assange arrested in london dragged from his long-time refuge in the ecuadoran embassy there and thrown into a police van, assange arrest a remarkable newn development in a long and fascinating story one that tells you a lot about the leaders and their priorities. we will have that story in a minute but first, details on what happened to assange, chief intelligence catherine herridge. >> tucker: at this indictment i was filed march 2018 and sealed earlier today as wikileaks

founder assange arrested after ecuador with asylum and seven years in the extradition to sweden on rate allegation. the indictment alleges engaged in a bright conspiracy with chelsea manning a former intelligence analyst for the u.s. army to access classified on defense department computers but wikileaks proposed a defense and state department records. assange love your defended his client as a reporter publisher, the u.k. "the u.k. course will need to resolve what appears to be an eunprecedented effort by the united states seeking to extradite a foreign journalist to facey foreign charges. former u.s. government officials and legal experts predict a protracted legal battle for assange and the justice department for a whole host of issues. including extradition that may go well beyond the >> thanks a lot for that summation. president. if you watch the coverage of this story today on television, yout likely came away with the understanding that julian

assange's i'm kind of russian spy who is in trouble tonight t because he stole classified documents from the u.s. government. that is not true, it is factually incorrect. saying so is not a defense of assange, we are not here to promote him or excuse any number of things he said. but just so it is clear, he did not steal documents from the united states government. he did not hack the dnc servers and did not break into the john podesta email account. he's never been charged with any of that and wasn't today, no matter what they tell you. w if you are upset about the theft of classified documents from the and there isnt reason to be, we already know who did that. at 22-year-old army private named bradley manning, now named chelsea manning.ld in 2013, he got 35 years in prison. shortly after that, barack obama commuted manning's a sentence

which allowed manning to leave jail decades early, and then run for political office. so if youral real concern is america's national security, you have somebody to be angry at, barack obama. and strangely nobody is. instead they are furious at julian assange for printing the documents that other people stole. julian assange has been a wicked tool of vladimir putin and intelligent wrote ben sasse whoen also serves in the u.s. senate. he deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison. rvwicked? spend the rest of his life in prison? i mean people have never faced this kind of scorn. not even close nor for the record was he ever extradited to. he died 78 years old in his own bed leaving behind his beloved children. so what is going on here? a couple of things. first, julian assange published documents that undermined the

documents on the iraq war. in afghanistan. he got debbie wasserman schultz fired from the dnc. he humiliated hillary clinton by showing the democratic primaries were in fact raved. everyone in washington has reason to hate julian assange. but rather than admit that us look likee buffoons. so now we are sending him to prison. he said we are denouncing him as, you guessed it, a russian agent. watch senator blumenthal explain. >> justice should come to julian assange for his role in russian meddling in our election, the sooner the better. okay, once again to be totally clear, no one has ever shown that julian assange is a russian agent. the indictment against him today doesn't say that and it doesn't mention russia at all. but that doesn't stop from

repeating including that includes many republicans. robert muellernc nearly killed e russian collision hoax and julian assange is allowing them to keep it alive. you wouldd think journalist woud say something about this. assange is after all one of them. what do you call a man who publishes news for a living? he's definitely not more anti-american and his broken story is that new york times would have one pulitzers four. and yet many of his colleagues have disowned him. oh please, brought alexia campbell. assange is no journalist. we know who he works for, meaning russia. julian assange is not a journalist, without actually explaining. nbc doesn't so much cover at the security state as write memos on its behalf noted that many believe if assange was a journalist, those days ended a long time ago. at mbc many tell you they

believe something, it means they believe it. so why all the hostility to julian assange? we will let the former democratic staffer and jim explain, we will let jim pseudo-explain. he is central to central election experience, and he central also to questions about what the trump administration or trump campaign new prior to the release of those materials. he's central to questions about what the trump campaign new prior to the release of those materials and what were the communications? it is possible president trump himself not particularly excited about. >> it's remarkable to watch, it's be will be will drilling, actually. that was also when they didn't applaud the arrest of journalist publishing information. in 1971 "the washington post" and "new york times" published a trove of stolen classified documents about the vietnam war which is called the pentagon papers.

remember that? liberals loved it. books were written celebrating their bravery. as early as 2011, they said it "a convictiony. of julian assane would cause collateral damage to american media freedoms. a post op said year. it's difficult to distinguished assange or wikileaks from "the washington post," and that's true. but that was before the trump election and the total war that theowed, a war in which media had definitively chosen aside. press freedom question sure. the first amendment, that all depends on who you vote for. the guardians of speech are not the enemies of speech. the people charged with policing power hour now are be absolutely clear about who now hurts this country more. colluding with power. and it's not him. mark steyn joins us tonight. mark, thanks for coming on.

whatever you think of julian a size or the material that he published, is it a little strange to see journalists who laud "the new york times" and "the washington post" for publishing stolen classified documents during vietnam applaud his imprisonment?t? >> absolutely. i agree 100% with everything you said. but i hadn't seen that cnn clip. and i'm shocked at the idea because he thinks that somehow, julian assange know something about the trump campaign in 2016. thatat gives the u.s. government the right to demand that london extradite on the australian to washington to go to jail. eventr if you take everything tt jim pseudo-said as true, there's absolutely no basis for what the government is proposing to do to assange except that he made

everyone in washington look like chumps. >> tucker: is it odd to have a democratic official work to the obama administration to cna and with a microphone telling us that we are immoral if we don't believe the announcements of the permanent bureaucracy here in washington? does it seem like an inside game a little bit? >> i think this is all an inside game. basically it's's a duty of the government to keep it secret. and if the most lavishly funded "intelligence community" on the planet can't keep its secrets, the idea that it has the right to go to war against the people who publish those secrets which is something that you said 20, 30, 40 years ago. the press would be up in arms about. now to see the american media serving as licks battles of the deep state, it's a deeply bizarre transformation.

this has been basically the stuff that julian assange published, this indictment is extremely weak. the idea that he somehow goaded and then encouraged manning to steal this stuff, the line he used was, manning tells assange, that's all i got left to give to you, and assange said curious eyes never run dry in my experience. the idea that a corrupt federal criminal justice system could extradite on the basis of those words, actually anyone who believes in liberty. >> tucker: that's right. spent 10 minutes reading about chelsea manning and ask yourself would any competent, and no one was ever held accountable for the recklessness of allowing.

chelsea manning to steal that information and i have to say, is it weird to see republican officeholders continue with the ludicrous life that it's the greatest threat that america faces on the world stage? >> assange is some goofy australian lefty. he's got nothing to do with it. but your point is actually the critical one. if this was a real intelligence community, then chelsea manning wouldn't haven't been able to walk out with all that stuff, just download it and take it out. there were a 4 million people wh top-secret intelligence glances -- clearances in this country and that the population the size of new zealand.ze top-secret clearances to 4 million people, it's not intelligence in the intelligence community on the first place. [laughter] i don't know why i'm laughing.

so the recklessness with which they manage our country, but i don't feel safe. >> you shouldn't feel safe. i listen to blumenthal, ben sasse saying, this guy should be going to jail forever. americans, flip it around, americans should be up in arms if the government of australia demanding that london would expedite a u.s. citizen to australia for publishing australian intelligent secrets. you look at it the other way around, americans would rightly see this as a gross infringement on the freedom of american citizens.se >> shannon: exactly. i hope this english judge who has asked the americans to put up the proofs by june, i hope when he sees what they put up in june, that the english judge tosses this thing out. >> shannon: i don't think we want and washington. >> great to see you. and we will see you in just a minute on "final exam" as a

contestant. >> i've been rehearsing, i'm good luck. ready to go. [laughter] they want while the creepy lawyer could soon be the creepy prisoner, hit with yet another indictment. this one is unbelievable, the details. in this hit cnn, too. so it's got everything. it would be a shamed if you missed it. we will be right back. ♪ [ loud traffic sounds ]

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charges. he's been accused of fraud, bribery, embezzlement and one case of rubbing a paralyzed man. trace gallagher has the latest on this. >> tucker, for a guy who bills himself as a winner, he's a loser to beat the band. in those 36 accounts you mentioned, several are for wire fraud but wait until you hear what the alleged wire fraud entails. here is the california u.s. attorney. >> wire fraud. related to the theft of millions of dollars from five clients including a paraplegic man who agreed to a multimillion dollar settlement, who received only a fraction of the settlement despite the fact that he receive the full amount four years ago. >> the government actually cut off the disability payments because the former attorney what do wouldn't even file paperwork saying the man was awarded the indictment.

he also took another clients $2.5 million settlement and bought a private jet. yesterday, plane was seized. so yesterday at the man who had his eyes on the white house may have to settle for the big house. if convicted, stormy's former lawyer will look at 33 years in behavior and good behavior may be out in 100. and his response, for 20 years i have represented david versus goliath and due process of justice. along the way, they are entitled to a full presumption of innocence and i'm confident that justice will be done once all the facts are known. but don't forget, that is just his west coast david versus goliath battle. he is also facing federal charges in new york of trying to extort nike for $20 million. tucker. >> tucker: i think we have fleeced a few david's along the way. trace gallagher, great to see

you, thank you. well, it's horrifying of course in a car crash kind of way that the continuing collapse of the creepy lawyer is really a surprise to no one. actually, someone. cnn head media critic creepy lawyer and creepy prisoner was robbing the disabled and this little guy was calling him a serious presidential contender. watch. >> looking ahead to 2,020, look at the serious contender. it is because of your presence on cable news. >> i've got 20 years of experience at a high level as an attorney i understand how governmental regulations are passed and how laws are passed and how the supreme court works. i have an extreme depth of knowledge. >> tucker: [laughter] here is the best part, his show is called reliable sources. hilarious. every single house democrat except one is backing a bill that would require all high schools nationwide to let biological men compete on women sports teams. to most people that seems

insane, and two female athletes of course it is grossly unfair. but now, it's its orthodoxy. science and common sense are irrelevant. meanwhile, a taxpayer fund and study sponsored by the nih, national nih, national institutes of health is allowing sex change hormones to be given to children as young as eight years old. so what are the effects of that? do we know? dr. marc siegel is here tonight. thanks very much for coming on. so whenever you have an advancement in culture that nobody is allowed to question and then it bleeds over into science, it makes me nervous, no matter what it is, whether i like it or not. i haven't heard a single person asked the obvious question, what is the effect of giving per hormone suppressing drugs voluntarily to children? >> i think it's a long-term effect. first of all, puberty blockers, that followed by hormone therapy as they enter adolescence can

lead to neurological problems, problems with bone growth and sterility later on. so that is just the physical issue. there's also the psychological impact and the neurological impact of having transition someone who may decide later on that they want to go back the other way. of course we should support transgender children. of course we should support a child's toys and that is what the american academy of pediatrics says. but when they talk about giving these drugs, these hormones, i get very nervous. and i think to myself, who is superimposing their will, is it doctors or parents? because again, a child is someone i want to watch develop. there's no question to be questioning sexuality and toys and a 9-year-old, we have to wait and see which way it goes. >> tucker: it almost sounds like munchausen by proxy. but it doesn't seem responsible at all and it seems incredibly risky. it seems demented to be honest with you. >> 1100 adults wrote a letter

saying we don't agree with the american academy of pediatrics. and by the way, your point about munchausen by proxy is important because parents say, maybe i'm not doing enough. maybe we really aren't -- this is our culture now, we have to listen to every word. but our job as parents is to guide and support, not to be mean but support and watch develop meant in progress. i don't think we look for drugs or doctors that do our bidding for us. there is a long-term effect here. >> tucker: is so if you were to stand up at a medical conference and say what you just did which was -- it doesn't seem controversial, how would you be received? >> it depends on the conference. i have a feeling that the democratic lawmakers are trying to pander to a certain group, but i think a lot of doctors would agree with me, do no harm.

we are not dealing with the disease, we are dealing with the developing child. let them develop and support their psychological development. and by the way, to your earlier point, when we were talking about athletics, i believe it's a competitive advantage to allow someone that is born a male, and had all these years of testosterone building up muscle and bone, and then we allow them to compete with white men, that's giving them a competitive advantage and a call that juicing. well, of course it is, that is called biology but it's being denied by the house of representatives explicitly and the interest group that is pushing this. doctor, thanks very much. this democrat says his take away from the smollett case is that all the police are racist. we will explain what he means, after this. ♪

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>> they are a sworn enemy of black people. >> tucker: keep in mind that jussie smollett paid people to put a rope around his neck and f blamed entire ethnic group to do it. part of a hate crime. he's gotten away with it due to the pretty obvious corruption of prosecutor tim fox. last week police protested fox's corruption and instead of joining them, bobby rush denounced the police. the racist he said, i hate people based on their skin color. kevin graham is joining us tonight. thanks so much for coming on. so you have a sitting member of congress dismissing the entire chicago policee department as it racist.. how do you respond to that? >> first of all i guess he's unaware that the superintendent of this chicago police department is black and 25% of the chicago police department is also black. and there's about another 25% hispanic.

so i don't know where he gets the idea that chicago police are racist but i think it makes for rhetoric. and let's face it. he's a a former black panther, er has never liked the police. he has made incendiary comments in the past and, we stand against hatred. we are there to protect people andd not to incite people. so i think he is speaking you're responsibly and i hope that the members of congress take action. it's the one in chicago is a bit complicated with a lot of disorder and violence and it needs a competent police department. who wants to join the chicago policepo department when you get called a racist with no evidence by somewh buffoon in congress? >> this is a very tough job. one of the toughest jobs in the country. this city has gone through a lot of problems and we are trying to make inroads. i can tell you that the

fraternal order of police two months ago brought a plan to the superintendent, and we are linking police officers with churches and we are trying to mend fences and get out in the community to make sure there is direct community and police involvement. we are the ones that are doing that. we are trying to make sure that we have confidence in the police. d know that we are going to be there to protect them. it certainlyen doesn't help when someone makes irresponsible comments like congressman russ did. >> you don't get rich being a cop, and if in addition to those two things you have officeholders attacking or moral character, again on the basis of no evidence, why would competent good people want to become copsf at a certain point? >> youou are absolutely right. in july, we will be without a contract for two years.

these officers have not even had a raise. the city doesn't even seem to be interested in trying to settle the contract, so you are right. there will be problems with recruiting and you will end up lowering the t standards and thy will have more problems. it will be a catch-22. so the city needs to work to be sure the people of the city of chicago t are protected. and they really need to get on p board with us to make sure we can protect the people of the city. and that seems to have fallen by the wayside, certainly at operation push with congressman bobby rush. >> for example, what is the starting salary for a cop in chicago? >> it's about $40,000. >> and so you are getting lectured by people flying private planes all the time about how you are bad people. how does that make you feel? >> certainly, that they are not in touch with reality. our police officers do an amazing job every day.

they do everything they can. i will tell you this, no situation is perfect. but our officers go out with -- and i had to answer a call from another officer just the other day about the lack of equipment and one of the districts. they are doing their best with what they have and certainly, we are trying to do our best to serve the people and i don't know where they are going to get police officers who want this job. >> tucker: exactly. who would want that? the only people that wanted are the people that you don't want to be cops. this is a bad cycle that you are embarking on. kevin, thank you very much, and godspeed. >> thanks for having me in. >> tucker: last week, the ceo of facebook mark zuckerberg wrote an op-ed calling for governments worldwide to band together to regulate free speech. the fcc commissioner he has written his own op-ed responding to mark zuckerberg. thank you very much for coming

on. so the big tech companies would like free speech regulated by government. what could go wrong? >> it's pretty remarkable actually. if you think about it, facebook has been under mounting scrutiny for a number of practices, protecting your online data ensuring that data and now how it moderates online speech. o lawmakers and the public have been asking a lot of questions about what they let you say on your platform, and our response for that pushback, facebook has come up with a new idea that has been in the totally wrong direction. they want the government to step in and start policing for online speech for it. look, outsourcing government censorship, outsourcing censorship to the government isn't just a bad idea but a violation on the first amendment soju i may "know on that. >> tucker: a man, and i'm glad someone at the fcc and i know

there are others but not enough. just taking a very sensible constitutional position. but what about the original deal with theti internet, where platforms and congressman said that in their job is to just let people say what they want as long as they are not illegal. right, or guns or peddling. why don't we go back to that? >> whale want an approach that will promote a robust exchange of views. what facebook is targeting here is not targeting illegal content, what it described was harmfull content. it has invited regimes, not just the government in the u.s. but abroad, to step in and startt shutting down ideas that it doesn't like under the rubric of it being harmful speech. one examplee that mark is zuckerberg gave was a speech on he said that speech on a divisive political issue and if you are online advocating and issue position on immigration, the government should regulate

that speech. and look, mark zuckerberg has a very large, loud platform, big platform. and so to step in for everyday americans advocating for those issues online and for the government to police that, i think that's a bad idea. >> mark zuckerberg is one of the richest people in the world, and not just speak but influence our lawmakers. i wonder taking three steps back, how did we get here. zuckerberg grew up in the united states. most of these people did. the number one bill of rights and freedom of speech, they seem totally unaware of that and why? >> i've been a regular at the fcc for a number of years and i can tell you that when large corporations come in and start calling for greater government control, they are not doing it as an act of charity. facebook right now is a company that is worth a half a trillion dollars and has a leading position in the market. it didn't find religion in and regulation until established.

a dominant position.ed >> tucker: exactly. they have 30,000 people doing content and security reviews so calling for this heavy-handed government regime it will wreck an economic mode that only makes it harder forc start-ups to compete. and this is the real protectionism right there. mr thank you so much for that. good to see you. do you think america is the best country on earth, do you say so out loud? 20 years ago you might get a fist bump but now you will be called a bigot.ou plus, time for "final exam." mark steyn express, face off and whose paying closer attention to the news of the week? you will find that out after the break. ♪ (bright music)

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>> tucker: it's time now for a "final exam" where a top-flight battled news professionals see who has been paying attention to what's been happening in the country. this week's first contestantnt s the fox and friends and cohost, pete hegseth. onhe's also the host of "battlen the holy city. which you can watch on fox nation and also a friend of ou ours. his opponent is one of our favorite gas on the show, another friend, author and columnist, mark steyn. this is a pairing that i had nothing to do with. i don't know what's going to happen. >> this guy right here? the smartest man of the universe? >> it's war of 1812 around two. the president says, where are the guys who burned down the white house? >> that was their last win. >> tucker: mark steyn is aboutut the smartest person i've ever met but these questions might rattle him. >> i feel like i have a home-field advantage. >> we will see if you can press them successfully. he has on buzzers, the first

you know the rules want to buzz and gets it. to answer the question, critically you have to wait until i finish asking it to answer.in if the correct answer get you one point, best-of-five wins. make sense? question one is multiple-choice. scientists have moved beyond creating useful robots and now make machines that do useless things. a robot in japan is been trained to do something religious ports. is it had a half-court shot, ice skate, or throw a curveball? >> i thought i had it. >> ice skate. >> tucker: has the robot been trained to ice skate?uc >> you know, -- that is the old

james in the name smith. >> the traditional japanese sport of basketball. question number two, this one another multiple-choice. this week on the other celebrity quiz showed jeopardy, a contestant set a record for the most money one on a single episode. how much did he win? did he win $90,000, 100,000 or 110 grand? >> tucker: pete hegseth, we will give it to you. >> i'm being too dainty. i'm going to go with 110,000. >> tucker: is that correct? >> congratulations are in order to a jeopardy contestant who won a record amount of money on nyesterday show. watch. >> that's our new one-day record he wins another $400,000, he

could bright his kids into usc. [laughs] >> good line. all right, you've been watching game game shows to practice, smart. okay, yet another multiple-choice question. this is about a plane in spain that could not take off in the rain.ot also something like -- passengers were stuck in the tarmac because a bird was strutting down the runway. what type of bird website? pigeon, crane or flamingo? mark steyn. >> i have to go with a crane in spain. >> tucker: was at a crane in spain next to a plane? >> despite honking horns and impatient pilots, it took its sweet time cruising down the tarmac. airport crews tried to scare it off and at one point it flew away but then flew back in a matter of seconds. >> that.

and i was thinking too laterally. i should have gone with something else. >> it was good. it was with worth losing. this was today's daily double. two-point question per our judges. some fans of bernie sanders are angry at him this week because he confessed to something they considered controversial.s what did he confess to? >> being a millionaire. >> tucker: is that right? >> senator bernie sandal says he is a millionaire. for years, i wrote -- one of them was a best seller and was translated to five or six languages. i made money on that book. >> capital was great for him. did he put his pinky to his mouth when he said millionaire? >> and what languages did

bernie's book get translated? >> one language, green. final question also multiple-choice. here we go. astronomers have captured the first ever image of a black hole. some say it looks like a doughnut and others say it looks like a dragon's eye. how far away as this from? 2 million light wears away, 50 million light years away or 100 million light years away? mark steyn. >> i want to go with, 2 million. >> the most famous doughnut hole of all time. that first image of a black ho hole. >> i never believed that this black hole was as big as people said, until we saw that. >> and 87 is over 50 million light years away.

[laughter] >> the black hole of my career after this performance. >> you didn't only lose mark steyn, you lost spectacularly and congratulations.ol >> for the coveted one full mug. >> we are putting a mug in the mail.l may you treasure it and fill it with bourbon. biko this man cries at the titanic. >> every time that titanic plays, i cry. [laughter] >> tucker: that's good. it will be weeks before i can digest this segment. thank both of you. that's it for this week's final exam. pay very close attention to weird things that happen all week and come back next week to see if you can be the experts. we will be right back. ♪

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>> tucker: democratic candidate julian castro says that immigrants are neighbored into this country, they are not a luxury, they are a necessity. we have to have them, he claims, because americans aren't having their own kids. >> this is a little but politically incorrect to say to some people but we do need them. if we don't get this right, and 20 or t 30 years, the united states is going to be begging for immigrants to come and make a youthful, vibrant workforce. we need them today more than any ever before. >> tucker: that's not an original thought. we'd be surprised if healho eved one of those. instead, it's a constant refrain you here from lawmakers, journalists, college professors who tell us we need massive amounts of immigration to replace the children's americans aren't having prayed for some reason, this is taken as an imm. americans don't want to have kids or they can't have kids. more abortions to assure they don't have them. here something no one ever says but it's worth suggesting, why aren't we trying to help american citizens have kids?

it's not that they don't want them. they want them, they want to be having more than they are having. according to gallup polling, the average american wants about three kids in a family. that figure is higher than it was 30 years ago. peoplele are more pro-children then they were. the average american woman, though, is having fewer than two kids. among those whoer reach their t40s without having any children, more than half regretted and which they had at least one child. why is government -- why isn't government trying to help americans have the one thing they want? it's not impossible, there's a lot of ways they could do that.? just like the student loan bubble, give big tax cuts to bigger families of of the middle-class couples feel secure about having a third or fourth child. other countries do it. it's not crazy. is there anything morehe important? ifr so, what is it? none of this accursed anyone in washington. they look good in america where citizens are broken depressed and killing themselves at record levels and therefore failing to reproduce the species. the is the only one option, one

answer, import new children from honduras and bangladesh to fulfill the labor needs. if you disagree with that, you are immoral. [laughs] not so long ago, it was considered normal for americans to like america. why else would they be here? imagine that. thinking that gets you denounced as a bigot, xenophobe, white nationalist, whatever that is. there is a new view in washington. a simple ethos recently expressed by president obama's former attorney general eric holder. america was never a great country. >> there's a lot of talk about america being a leader as a democracy, quote unquote, in the 1800s when women and african-americans got involved. what kind of democracy is that? >> exactly. when i hear "let's make america great again," i think of myself, when was america great? it takes us back to, i think, an american past that never in fact

really existed, this notion of greatness. >> sean: the host of the white house brief will join us tonight. thank you very much for coming on. a simple question, if you don't like america, why are you running it? >> iar don't know why you are here. ouif you don't like america, you don't think america is the greatest country in the world, then you can get the hill out o, here and let me know how it is in caracas where you flip the switch at the lights don't come on. it's incredible. you said to me, 20 years ago, if you said america is great, you might get a fist bump. to give you perspective as to how fast things are tumbling out of control, i was in college not even ten years ago. you could say, i was in a very liberal school, one of the most liberal. you could still chant "usa, usa," you could fly your colors. you canrt do that anymore. you do that, they will come after you, try to hang you in the streets. >> tucker: i wonder why. america is flawed. we do shows every night at america's laws. but compared to what?

>> it's the only alternative. it's flawed. to show me a better system. show me a better country where people can do better for themselves. i think it's cynical. i was vacillating for a while as to whether they were stupid enough to believe this nonsense or whether they were just doing it to be -- because they don't have any other ideas, their tanks are empty. i came to the conclusion that it was the latter. they started calling me a white nationalist. [laughs] there are some logistical problems. >> tucker: did m n you copped to it? >> i put up a video on my youtube page that was defending against joe biden's attacks on white men and i was defending european thought, which has led to a great manifestation, america, defending western values, god forbid, defending western thought they were calling me a white supremacist admitted that the candace owens, you saw them do that this week, calling her white supremacist. stephen miller is a nazi.

>> tucker: it so absurd, it's hard to believe that people believe with that. we shouldn't. why is it that nobody ever says -- i'm pretty open minded, this system doesn't work, if there are alternative? here's another country where it's really working well. no one ever says that. >> venezuela. >> tucker: exactly. what is the impulse? who is made happy by the idea that our country is terrible? who does not excite? >> it's not meant to excite anyone. it's meant to get votes. it's really cynical because you have someone who is a trump supporter or where's that make america great again hat, she says it's a nationalist slogan. she never lies. you tell someone your neighbor is a white nationalist, that starts -- then you should say, i don't want to be around that person and that divides the country. a when you think you are living amongst white supremacists and white nationalists, it's

dangerous and is creating a lot of animosity. >> sean: >> tucker: it scares p. it bothers me intensely and i am white.-- i don't -- it is so untrue. americans are nice. there are weirdos but there aren't many. >> it's one of those things where you just wonder, is their political agenda more important to the -- >> sean: nicely put. great to see you. thank you. student loans are one of the biggest burdens holding back young people. prior generations coming in about spent money buying homes. now they are spending tens of thousands of dollars in student loan debt. colleges benefit greatly. but the loans come from the u.s. government. ten years ago, the student loan industry was nationalized under barack obama. almost all bones come from the fed. if we want to fix this problem, government action is necessary. don't get your hopes up. congresswoman maxine waters of california chairs the house

financial services committee. she's the top finance regulator in the entire u.s. house of representatives. yesterday, she revealed that she didn't know the government controls student lending. watch. >> last month this committee received testimony that last year 1 million student loan borrowers defaulted, which is on top of the 1 million borrowers who default of the year before. what are you guys doing to help us with the student loann debt? who would like to answer first? mr. monahan? >> we stopped making student loans in 2007. >> don't do it anymore. >> we did student lending in 2009. >> mr. diamond? >> the government took over student lending in 2010. >> thank you. >> tucker: [laughs] when the government took over student lending. why doesn't washington fix our problems? they don'tgo even know they are causing my problems. they don't care. we are out of time yet again. an hour. who knew he could go fast.

we'll be back tomorrow night, 8:00 p.m., the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. b but don't go away. an special surprise for you tonight. tonight at 9:00, sean hannity will host a full hour of television. it begins right now. >> sean: tucker, great show as always. our special surprise show. welcome to "hannity." the democratic party, the deep state of the media mobs ivory tower is about to come crashing down tonight. the corrupt high-ranking unelected bureaucrats that rigged hillary clinton's investigation, tried to rig the 2016 election, then tried to destroy your duly elected president, are no longer safe room facing the justice they deserve. starting tonight, i'll explain in a minute, and coming weeks and days and months, there is deep state bureaucrats along with their friends in the democratic party, the hate hatp media mob, they will face what is an avalanche of