ed: that was the last playoff and oh, it was hard. pete: listen i survived. jedediah: [laughter] pete: you get one year. ed: come back tomorrow. jedediah: see you tomorrow, guys . neil: what is it going to be? attorney general bill barr is set to release special counsel robert mueller's report any day now maybe any minute now and finally put this collusion confusion to rest and he's already said that there was none well the reports release prove it and former white water independent counsel ken starr is on it but something on monday is tax day, 2020 democrats are out in force right now pushing to hit the rich on this set, good morning, everyone i'm neil cavuto, thank you to david asman for filling in, and now to deirdre bolton on pricey

promises from the prominent presidential candidates on the left on pushing what we speak. >> that is exactly right, neil, because elizabeth warren revealing how she plans to pay for universal programs such as health and child care and gave details this week so her premise is that corporate america can pay so her vision is to put a 7% tax on the largest most profitable companies who this is going to hit companies such as amazon about 1,200 others that she says are using loopholes and the tax code to pay zero or close to zero federal taxes. now senator warren has also suggested tax hikes on the wealthy. senator bernie sanders making headlines in a similar fashion rolling out his medicare for all plan, so economists say the expected cost would be between 25 and $35 trillion over 10 years and he says that higher payroll taxes and a 70% top income tax bracket and a 77% top

death tax can all go towards paying for the program, so let's go further south in texas, beto o'rourke wants to expand medicare, plans to make the first two years of college debt- free so he's not given great detail on how to pay for the college program but some people have hinted at hiking corporate america taxes. senator of california kamala harris wants to give teachers a pay raise and also spoken about tax relief for the middle class, and struggling renters, so she says that the government can charge fees from financial companies to come up with the money, rollback some of the gop tax cuts for the rest. new jersey senator corey booker kicking off the hometown campaign in newark today and he's talking about giving renter s relief and a lotting families with newborns and here up to $2,000 per-year, through the age of 18 so he hasn't called this universal income but it's philosophically getting close to that and he hasn't released a detailed plan on how

to pay for it but he does support the tax hikes on the richest earners and finally democratic senator amy amy klobuchar pushing for $650 billion on infrastructure spending, she is suggesting a 25 % tax rate down from the 21% or rather up excuse me from the current level of 21% and this is really lowering this corporate tax rate of course was a key part of the trump adminitration 's tax cut that went into effect, voted into effect anyway at the end of 2017 , neil? neil: deirdre don't go anywhere so tax hikes will they hit everyone, or just the elite few, we've got the research strategist lindsay bell a fox news contributor jessica tarlov and we've made it so difficult for her to climb over these steps with cameras and everything blocking her way, but jessica to you first. it seems like what is a common theme among these candidates is the rich is what it's all about.

>> definitely and donald trump was actually in on that game as well even though he is one of the mega rich when he was campaigning, we were talking about this, trump and bernie sanders use similar populous rhetoric on the 2016 campaign trail and who is explaining exactly how they pay for it elizabeth warren is by far and away winning that race and then also what's feasible concerning healthcare. neil: winning that race? >> she's explaining it. she's being the most transparent and honest whether you like it or not and a number of her proposals are well-liked. neil: well not by ceo's of the companies. >> well they're not my friends. my friends are the working people. neil: i understand. you know lindsay i'm looking at all of that i'm wondering, you know, you could argue that taxing the rich, you could get less, in other words, that it would lead them to go elsewhere, or that they might find ways around that. what do you think? >> exactly and i think that's what these presidential

candidates they really need to take into consideration, because there is a reason that president trump lowered the tax rate to 21 % from 35% because he saw a problem. companies were leaving this country, moving to other countries, and doing inversions so they could move their headquarters and lower their tax responsibility to the u.s.. neil: have they taken that money back, do you have numbers? >> yes, they brought it back i don't have the numbers off the top of my head right now a lot of it has the buybacks and a lot of the democrats will point to as the problem but now we're getting into the second year of this in 2019 you're finally starting to see wages rise you can see jobs increase, and that is definitely an effect from the tax bill that was passed last year. neil: what do you think? >> philosophically let's talk about this. all these candidates suppose that the highest and best use of our dollars is government dollars, and there's a problem with that and the reason we're seeing higher levels of economic growth since the trump adminitration is because we're pushing against that. the economy is a game of psychology. if you go out and put up the bat

signal up that hey, tax rates will go up what do you think is going to happen to economic growth rates so i think it's a terrible mistake to go ahead and go back to where we came from, and to piggyback off what lindsay said. we were having all sorts of companies leaving. they were going to ireland, they were going everywhere. our corporate tax rate is now in line with international standard s and i think it would be a mistake reverse that. neil: you know, deirdre you could use the argument and i think lindsay had touched on it, what disappoints a lot of folks is they were thinking there would be a lot of hiring and plant expansion and there was some of that and credit checks and the like, but not nearly the number they thought so they bought their own stock they're free to do with their money what they want, you could argue for pension funds public and otherwise that are invested in these companies but you didn't get the bang for the buck yet many thought they would. >> i think we'll see as you said tax day next week, so there's a lot of people who are actually going to see what they

got and i've heard mixed messages in the sense that there are some people who have gotten more money as the year has gone along, but they will get a tax bill so you don't know how voters are going to take that even if net-net they are going to end up paying fewer taxes, if they're used to getting a refund and this is just how every individual -- neil: there is that especially in the high tax states, you know , jessica one of the things i remember though i almost remember walter mondale, the last prominent democratic nominee who promised tax hikes and lost by a landslide to ronald regan, are democrats risking doing the same to a man or woman aspousing pretty much doing the same? >> i'm not sure with the current climate that it would be met with the same reaction. we have such high income and equality it had become such a current in the national discourse about what's going on in society. you have so many billionaires like warren buffett and bill gates out there talking about the fact that they aren't paying their fair share and they are

happy to pay more. neil: it's a big difference between the billionaire. >> of course well now we know that elizabeth warren and bernie sanderses are millionaires themselves. neil: the thing about bernie sanders is he's open to eating his own pudding right? he's going to screw himself by hiking taxes hick self. >> but i think that's a beautiful thing actually when people come out and say it doesn't matter if you take more of my money because i want to make sure people who are making less are taken care of and i wanted to add also john delaney running for president on the democratic side, he's advocating for 25% raise saying if we were at 35% and went down to 21 why can't we have a little wiggle room here to get back to 25, i'm in no way trying to make us un competitive but just to make sure that americal society is a little bit more fair. >> and even to your point too, and hedge fund managers are saying capitalism the current state of it is broken and also that's after he's made quite a few billion dollars.

neil: but politics with the whole capitalism thing but it obviously has helped all of these candidates who are returning and the like and they've done very very well and i take nothing against them for having that and at least in the case of bernie sanders and then you could argue elizabeth warren their plans would hit them but having said that, is anyone missing the fact that unemployment is near record lows that right now, lindsay unemployment for key demo kraft graphic constituencies also at record lows that didn't happen by accident. >> right exactly and what you're seeing is these democratic presidential candidates come out and what their goal is to unwind trump marquise tax legislation, and i think that is their primary focus right now and they're missing the fact that this economy is still booming, wages are rising, the average individual is doing better. >> the one thing i would like to add though and this is sort of agnostic if you like but since the 1970s and 1980s the

cost of healthcare is up 130% and higher education is up 125% so where we go from here obviously is a big kind of question but i also do understand the average worker who says okay, fine, finally after 10 years getting a 3% raise but the costs that are really important to me and my family i don't know how to manage them, so we can argue obviously whether government has a role in managing those, most people who have been around a while say no, no, no. neil: i do note there's a lot more creativity in terms of raising revenue, not so up m in controlling the revenue you already have and then spending it but having said that when young people are polled typically on this subject on higher taxes for the rich they're fine with it because it's not them, so i'm wondering if republicans ignore this, at their own pair ill that there is a built up pent-up demand, jessica was saying healthcare was a big issue, if someone can help them out with that that'll be a big issue. >> it is going to be popular among many young people but i

think the risk that we run is that all these promises cost too much. these numbers are just too high. there's no way to tax "our bodies, ourselves" into delivering all these promises that these politicians have laid out. let's just talk about medicare for all forget everything else right? that would be $3.3 trillion a year. our federal budget which right now we're upside down in a trillion dollar deficit in fact 1.1 trillion next year which is the highest deficit we've seen since the great recession so how are we going to go ahead and fund that never mind free college, help with housing, et cetera. i would love to see a number on the cost of this because i think really taxation, most of the numbers show that the taxation that they're promising won't pay for the programs they're promising. neil: we shall see and we'll have you back in a little bit speaking of taxation the house ways and means committee chairman is on the wires saying by april 23, he wants the president's tax returns. we'll see where that goes, i think the white house's position on that is no freaking way.

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>> i've been spying on a political campaign is a big deal , yes, i think spying did occur and i'm not suggesting it wasn't adequately predicated but i need to explore that. neil: all right, bill barr one of the more controversial statements this past week but what made it so controversial already the number two and the outgoing number two at that rod rosenstein has said he saw nothing unusual in that comment, but of course the political has already been raised former white water independent counsel ken starr on the significance of that. remember that rosenstein had also worked with ken starr on that investigation. ken good to have you with us.

the attorney general is in a pickle on this, james comey among others saying he didn't understand what he was saying maybe it was semantics and the word "spying" what do you think? >> oh, everybody is in a snit for who knows what reason, but i'll tell you bill barr, this week, neil, had perhaps the world's greatest character witness other than the pope himself. for rod rosenstein, who has been a straight shooter, would you agree or disagree with him, to say that the criticism of bill barr for his handling of the mueller situation, the mueller report, is he finds "extremely bizarre." that's a lawyer speaking. politicians, you are bizarre. you are misleading the american people. perhaps you haven't read the regulations and so forth. neil: by the way i think that rod rosenstein just to be clear when he supported the sort of

bullet points that barr released for the public when he got his hands-on that 400-plus page report, that would have been corrected if barr had released anything that was deemed incorrect, either by the mueller folks or certainly rod rosenstein, right? >> bingo. rod rosenstein is the wall street journal put it in one op-ed he's an institutional it's a fancy word that means he's a lawyer, he's a rule of law and guess what in this country, we have a rule of law, not a rule of the mob yelling, please release the report, even though you potentially would be violat ing federal law and doing that. the other thing that rod rosenstein said is that the american people should have complete confidence in this attorney general. now he's not trying to get a job he's leaving the department of justice. he's had a very long distinguished career and he's

not going to mess up his own career, but more importantly, his own reputation for integrity he's standing by some of the things he's done such as the renewal of the fisa warrant, so we can't have it both ways right we cannot say rod rosenstein, when i say we i'm really talking about they, really doesn't know what he's talking about now but by the way he was exactly right to appoint robert mueller and never interfere with his investigation and so forth, so bill barr is doing it the right way and i'm so glad that rod rosenstein spoke out as an officer of the law. neil: all right, you no one of the things that came up post that is the spying comment that the attorney general raised, well not necessarily looking at motive that he wanted to investigate what prompted the investigation. now the president kind of seized on that a little too tweeting this morning, why should radical left democrats and congress have a right to retry to examine the $35 million two years in the

making, no collusion mueller report when the crime committed was by crooked hillary, the dnc and dirty cops, attorney general barr will make the decision. now, what barr was saying hit democrats as a sign that he is doing the president's bidding. what do you say? >> i think it's just nonsense. it's political rhetoric, with all due respect to the other side. spying is spying, whether you call it court authorized surveillance, or not, it's someone is going about his or her work and guess what? everything that person does is being recorded, monitored and that is a common sense definition of spying. there was spying. now, bill barr is a very good lawyer, and he's a careful lawyer and what he also said is he's raising issues, he's raising questions. well that's what the attorney general of the united states should do especially since very strong and powerful questions have been raised about the way

all this started to begin with. helicopters just saying let's get the facts. he's not making any accusations other than to say well everyone knows there was spying. of course there was spying, but quibbling is really over the momentum what do you call it? do you call that a war or do you call it a conflict so it's a name. neil: maybe should have chose another word, like surveiling but that's what raised the eye of james comey the next day i want you to respond to this, james comey the former fbi director. >> i don't know what he meant by that term, and factually i don't know of any electronic surveillance aimed at the trump campaign. neil: well, they were surveiling or doing something with some of those people, right? >> well, perhaps like we're so behind ignorance. wouldn't it be great to know the facts? so james comey obviously knows facts but clearly there was court authorized surveillance of carter page and it wasn't

because carter page was doing business in russia. it was because of his connection s with the trump campaign so i think there's a little bit of lawyer word play going on here. neil: that's all you lawyers you all have word play you're so smart. it's confusing, ken it's good having you back. >> no, no, no. thank you. neil: i'm not throwing you in a pile there. thank you very much. >> yes, you were. neil: i guess i was ken thank you very very much meanwhile the president is taking a lot of heat foretelling sanctuary cities you want open borders, we'll take these border crossers what sean spicer thinks of that, after this.

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neil: well, he proposed it and now people are fuming over it the president considering sending migrants to sanctuary cities, as he shakes up his own homeland security leadership some are calling it a purge what's next in this border battle? ellison barber at the white house with the latest. reporter: neil, yeah yesterday in the roosevelt room president trump said he is considering moving migrants who crossed the u.s. mexico border illegally into sanctuary cities there are a lot of questions about whether or not he could even do this, but let's take a listen to the president first. president trump: we'll bring them to sanctuary cities areas and let that particular area take care of it whether it's a state or whatever it might be we can give them a lot. we can give them an unlimited supply and see if they're so happy. they say they always have open arms let's see if they have open arms. we are giving very strong consideration to having people

after a 20-day period because again you're not allowed legally to hold them for more than that. we will move them into sanctuary cities. reporter: the president does not appear to have the legal authority to do this. we know the white house already asked the department of homeland security, dhs, and i.c.e., immigration and customs enforcement if they could do it and i.c.e. told them that it would be illegal it goes against laws related to immigration enforcement authority and also restrictions on appropriations. democrats say the president is simply playing politics with people's lives. >> it's just another notion that is unworthy of the presidency of the united states and disrespectful the challenges that we face as a country, as a people, to address who we are, a nation of partnerships. >> this is a joke of a proposal what's he going to do just send people to the bay area? he's playing politics with this issue and very similar to when he announced he's sending troops to the border and i'm saying that as a vet this is a joke.

reporter: and the president also said he is planning to send more troops to the southern border. neil? neil: ellison thank you very very much. well, the shakeups had and the controversy is it helping the president? the former white house press secretary under the president senior advisor to america first action sean spicer, good to have you what do you think of all of this? >> well i think this is a topic that the president campaigned on very clearly, and i think he's continuing to show the american people what he wants to do and draw a line in the sand, make it a binary choice. either you're for open borders letting the people come in and losing the country or you stand up for border security. the democrats created a false choice, you care about people or you don't. i think every country on earth has some degree of immigration that that's what defines him as a country and they allow people to come in there lawfully and following the proper procedures. democrats have sort of, it's interesting in the current proposal they want sanctuary cities, they want open borders, and when the president calls

their bluff on it, suddenly they call it playing politics and you can't have it both ways. either you want everybody to come, you want to provide them all of these services you want them to have the rights and privileges of citizens in our country or you don't, and you want to have security and let people come in in a legal way and that's not what's in dispute the president is not talking about barring legal immigration. he's talking about making sure that we clamp down on illegal immigration. neil: well i know and then we've lost that distinction even to nancy pelosi's comment about we're a nation of immigrants we get that and illegal immigrants. >> right but neil can i make one point? neil: go ahead. >> there's a difference between being a nation of immigrants which we pride "our bodies, ourselves" on as americans from our founding that's what made us with the exception of native americans who are here, such a great country. we've become a melting pot in all of the other terms, but there's a difference between being a nation of immigrants and just a nation that anyone can come into. there's a distinction there, and the democrats and nancy pelosi

don't want to talk about that distinction, because you're not a nation of immigrants if there's no such thing as actual legal immigration. neil: and by the way on that front we have 1.25 million that come here u.s. citizens to get their green cards which was a near-record number last year. having said that i do want to switch to the skeptics in the homeland security who were concerned about this idea when it was about to allow illegals to go to these sanctuary cities that it would be an administrative nightmare if not a legal nightmare, just transporting them getting them to these sanctuary cities and they advised against it that's the president's own team saying that. >> well yeah, i mean look, from what i understand and i'm reading probably a lot of the same stories that you roanne sones that it was an idea that was floated, i.c.e. and cvp and others within the department of homeland security gave the recommendation to the white house that this wouldn't pass with the law but i tend to believe that this is probably

more of a negotiation tactic with democrats, and saying if you really believe that we don't need a border we don't need border security that we can undermine our own national security by allowing anyone to come in at any time then why don't you take them in your backyard and see what they say. their pushback on this kind of shows the hipocracy within the democratic party right now, which is they want everybody to come in, they just don't want them to come into their town. neil: but you worry, that in the process of doing that and i understand his frustration and he wants to try to think of something to move the ball forward here that he doesn't really advance the ball in any way, that he barely got the funding he wanted for the wall, that they still have these feelings at detention centers that might lead to this of people in this country trying to get here illegally and virtually every single area here, he has lost and he's not getting his way, and it is politics i

understand that, but is this going to come back to bite him? >> well there's two things to point out one you just mentioned it. as people come in once they get processed after that 20 days we cannot legally hold them any more, so they are ordered, they are given a court date in order to come back and somewhere between the high 80s and low 90s never come back meaning they just go into our country and we never see or hear from them again so it's a joke of a system because they can come in and they know if they get by that 20 day period they are in the country but more importantly and you're right there is an element of politics here but politics is about advancing policy goals and i think the president is trying to make this a binary choice heading into the next election which is here is how i want to address our national security and border security. here is what the democrats want to do and the greater light that he shines on this issue the more it becomes an issue that we can address, but right now, none of the major presidential candidates on the democratic side have actually stated a position on what they would do except for a bunch of fluffy

talking points. neil: we shall see, sean thank you good seeing you again. maxine waters is up with the big banking ceo's but did she also screw up something, big? after this. thanks to you, we will. aw, stop. this is why voya helps reach today's goals... ...all while helping you to and through retirement. um, you guys are just going for a week, right? yeah! that's right. can you help with these? oh... um, we're more of the plan, invest and protect kind of help... sorry, little paws, so. but have fun! send a postcard! voya. helping you to and through retirement.

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more? >> we actually did student lending in 2009. >> mr. dimon? >> when the government took over student lending in 2010 we stopped doing all student lending. neil: all right, that was a surprise, to maxine waters it was billed as an event she was going to grill these bank ceo's by the way she ultimately did as did the majority of the democratic panel even a couple of republicans were going after these guys but she got a key fact wrong and it does raise issues about what the tone will be going forward. democratic strategist jessica tarlov back with us, alexandria wilkes, and kat, it was a oops moment where she tried to re bound by saying well maybe you should be looking at this sort of thing but what do you think? >> it was definitely an oops moment but i don't think that many people are focusing on it and if you look at the bad guy in this situation most people are looking at the banks saying why did you give all of this money to the people who can't pay it back but i always wonder ed why there's no personal responsibility in these situations like i didn't go to

grad school because i knew i couldn't afford to go to grad school and pay back $80,000 on a journalist salary that that wasn't going to happen. neil: can you ask for a raise? >> this is my way of saying yes absolutely. >> send me to school. >> i would like to continue my education. neil: do you get it, jessica, that she's maybe not up to this she hasn't studied up on this? >> no i don't think so at all and i think that the clip of her with steve mnuchin proves the other side of that. he had i would say a bad interaction. neil: we had that, but we still have because you're raising a good point that was the other good one this is in exchange with the treasury secretary of the united states. take a look. i promise. >> i've sat here for over three hours and 15 minutes i've told you i'll come back i just don't believe we're sitting here negotiating when i come back we'll follow-up with your office , how long would you like me to come back for next time? i've told you i'll accommodate

you. >> i appreciate that, and i appreciate your reminding us of the length of time other secretaries have been here this is the new way and it's a new day and it's a new chair and i have the gavel at this point. if you wish to leave you may. what would you like to do? >> what i told you is i taught it was respectful that you'd let me leave at 5:15. >> you are free to leave any time you want. you may go. please dismiss everybody. i believe you're supposed to take the gavel and bang it. please do not instruct me as who to you i'm to conduct this committee. >> she's pretty on it there and i think it's a mistake for anyone to be telling a chair what they should do with their gavel. neil: she did in the earlier part of this. >> she camed it a gravel too. neil: and then the earlier part i control this gavel and i decide the rules and later on she says well go if you want to go. >> also i don't know what it was. i think that maxine waters came out the winner in that,

especially as steven mnuchin was talking about some more important appointment that we had at 5:15 which i've never seen anyone. neil: you can't get to the bottom of something in three hours? >> i mean how many hours have people testified before? no problem with maxine waters there. neil: do you know what the percentage is on his talking versus all of these congressman talking at him? 10:1. >> i have zero pity for steve mnuchin. neil: you have zero pity for the american taxpayer that has to endure this nonsense? >> i paid more in tax that's what i wanted to follow-up on. not happy! neil: okay i'm looking at this, and every time i see something like this, it's all for political partisanship. i get that on the left or the right here, but if you can't get to the bottom of something of whatever is pissing you off, in more than three hours, then maybe there's a problem here. >> you know these hearings have become all about the youtube moment. every congressman wants that, that viral moment where they look good to their base, and they can send it out and they

can, you know, feel good about themselves and that's sort of what maxine waters was trying to achieve here but if we take a step back and we remember before the 2018 mid-terms, you know, everyone looks sort of polite and restrained behind the podium s and seated up there, but maxine waters was unhinged before the 2018 elections in fact a lot of democrats were trying to sort of reign her in because she was making comments about attacking trump supporters in public places and so -- neil: well she's been unhinged by the alexandria ocasio-cortezs , recognize? she doesn't look extreme. >> i think that it could be extreme in this setting if they continue to go after the president and sort of these invasive ways. if it goes beyond sort of the normal checks and balances of congress on the executive branch and it goes to political witch hunts i don't think that that's

something the american people will be responsive to. >> let's be fair here if you're going to talk about these committees being politicized we can go back to the obama years and how 11 hours hillary clinton testified about benghazi and then kevin mccarthy and trey gowdy all admit the it was because of politics. neil: so mnuchin should have endured another eight hours? >> again no pity for steve mnuchin coming from me. i think that you have to be polite and understand what is within the perview of these committees, what neil did asking for trump tax returns is within his perview to do. they shall furnish them. this isn't maybe you should furnish the tax returns. neil: well now they are saying by the 23rd. >> i am waiting i will be here. neil: she's referring to richard neil. the ways and means committee. >> well i think that i kind of agree with you right? i think that when democrats attack trump and his administration it fires up the democratic base, they are cheering each other on while doing it but i think it pushes trump supporters closer to trump

because they see it as democratic bullying and that has become they've become even more with that ever since the russia investigation didn't find any evidence of collusion. i think that they're saying so if this is just more of the same it's the way trump supporters tend to view these things. neil: well we all see it one way or the other here and that's something i'll raise with my next guest, a talk about the mueller report could come out, maybe in a matter of days or minutes, maybe during this very show. doesn't that keep you watching? congressman whose watching it very closely, after this. a homewood suites for my uncle. a hampton for my sister and her kids. and the waldorf astoria beverly hills for me. can i get a..? thank you. book at hilton.com and get the hilton price match guarantee.

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he is the attorney general of the united states of america, not the attorney general of donald trump. neil: all right, all those democrats talking about the attorney general bill barr and whether he's someone who can be trusted ahead of the release of what will be somewhat redacted version of the mueller report in the coming days maybe the coming minutes, maybe on this show, with us now is the house intelligence member chris stuart congressman good to have you. >> good morning. neil: first of all do you know when this report is released to the exact minute that would help us. >> i don't to the exact minute i know about what you do but we expect it'll be some time in the next few days. i'll tell you though when i hear those clips you play it's just absurd some of the accusations, he is protecting the rule of law he's not protecting this president, and the accusations, and some of these democratic leaders have made towards mr. barr whose doing an extraordinary job most americans listen to that and think it sounds like they're political

hacks that's all. neil: and rod rosenstein the outgoing number two at the justice department indicating that barr is doing this all this by the books, found the reaction that he was getting on this matter was a little over-the-top telling the wall street journal as well, that he thinks he has been very very fair of the report and bullet points he sent out so leaving that aside i'm wondering what you make of where this will go, that when the report does come out and there are the inevitable redactions of named mentioned that were never fingered for any prosecution, i will imagine there will be a lot of people unsatisfied right? >> well i suppose some but look you ask me where it's going to go i can tell you where it will go about a year ago and that's when the republicans on the house intelligence committee released our report we saw no evidence of collusion or conspiracy and we did a very serious investigation. hundreds of witnesses and hundreds of thousands of documents so for the last year and a half other deputies and some other members of the media continued this narrative, but it just seemed extraordinarily unlikely that was going to

happen when we did such a thorough report so where it ends up is this is going to eventually die on the foundation of lies it was built upon and the mueller report is and the full release is going to reaffirm that. he has to have some redactions for grand jury testimony. it's right that he retracts things for innocent people or for ongoing investigations or for sources and methods but he's even going to color code that and it's going to be a relatively small part of the report but eventually the truth is just the truth an eventually the american people will see that and will say well what is this other nonsense how long can we ten use to make these accusations with virtually no evidence. neil: we don't know what will be in the final report to your earlier point congressman. we do know that even barr and his characterization of that report said it was open-ended no proof that would exonerate the president on obstruction of justice nothing to say the opposite now maybe people will parse through pages and glean other things, i don't know whether you are, sir, i'm not a lawyer, but that people will

interpret it or could could interpret it differently and then what? >> well there's no question that it's true and that's one of the reasons i wish mr. mueller had written a report that didn't have to be redacted because if there's a paragraph or a sentence redacted then you'll have these conspiracy theorists who are pointed at to say look there is the conspiracy and collusion just trying to hide it from us but again most reasonable people have been exhausted by this and they reached a point where they said you told us to trust mr. mueller for two years, we did trust him he's come forward with these conclusions and now you're saying it's still insufficient, and again, i just think american people are so leary of this and one other thing if i could and that is you've accused the president, his family and other people of very serious crimes. you haven't accused him of minor crimes. you've accused him of treason, of working with a foreign government to essentially over throw the results of an election these are very serious crimes and if you don't have evidence of that, it just seems

completely unfair process that you would continue to do this as if there's some reality to it when there just isn't. neil: a number of your colleague s are saying they want to see the president's tax returns, the chairman of the house ways and means committee saying by the 23rd it doesn't look lick that's going to happen what do you make of this back and forth? well i think this is stage five or six or whatever of this ongoing theme. they want to keep this president clearly through the 2020 election. neil: he is the first president, what, in half a century, to not do this, not release them. do you ever wonder why? >> well that's true, but the reality is he didn't release them during the first election the american people had a choice neil: he said he didn't do so because he was under audit smart lawyers tell me that doesn't matter but what do you think? >> again i think he told the american people that i'm not going to release him the american people made their decision and he's not required to do that. i know there's a tradition of doing it. neil: are you suspicious when he

does it? >> well, no i just think that there is this expectation of privacy. i don't think that we can mandate some individual has to release tax returns. neil: if the democratic candidate did not would you be suspicious of that candidate? >> i don't know. i guess i'd come back to this the point i was trying to make with mr. trump and that is if there's accusations of wrongdoing or evidence of wrongdoing some type of criminal activity then yes, maybe i'd be suspicious but there aren't any accusations like that regarding his taxes. neil: congressman thank you very much for taking the time. >> thank you, sir. neil: corey booker is getting ready to make it official in newark, new jersey he is a presidential candidate as you know this his way of saying yeah , i am, after this. i can't believe it. that we're playing "four on four" with a barbershop quartet? [quartet singing] bum bum bum bum... pass the ball... pass the rock.. ...we're open just pass the ball! no, i can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with geico.

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right? 18 democratic candidates all running for the presidency of the united states, and each making the argument he or she has a shot at that event including corey booker preparing for his first formal campaign event to make it official, and in newark beings new jersey trying to separate himself from those 17 others by saying i have the experience and the personal know-how, with a lot of folks, by the way if he were to make it to the white house he would be the first bachelor president since grover cleveland who got married in office 1886 that was then, will corey booker be the big talk now? he's trying to make that the case in newark, new jersey and brian? reporter: well looked to senator corey booker is kicking off his hometown kickoff launching a two week national tour of his presidential campaign in the city where he made his name, newark new jersey he was mayor here for six years before first becoming the black u.s. senator from new jersey and we're at

military park a park he helped rejuvenate as mayor and he's kicking off his tour which he called the justice for all tour at 1:00 p.m. we can expect him to talk about the real main tenants of his campaign and that is bringing equality and fairness to a system he says has been rigged against low income and minority families. we can expect him to talk big about the need to further reform the criminal justice system, legalizing marijuana, voter's and we can also expect to talk about a new bill he introduced in the senate that would start a commission to look into how to get there and neil, corey booker 's poll numbers are lagging big time his fundraising numbers are behind, and the mayor speaking tomorrow in indiana launching his candidacy so we can expect his campaign manager and corey book er regaining that momentum with his speech today neil? neil: thank you very much, in newark, new jersey, and you already heard herman cain is in

a heap of trouble as to whether he makes it to the federal reserve, the other guy just might, steve moore even though he's under fire and by the way, he's also here, after this. ...

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is what you've always wanted. no compromise. twice the results. guaranteed. miracle-gro performance organics. >> all right. a little shaky today, i apologize for that, but the president is golfing today. he's at the national-- what's it called? you know these things. that would make sense, trump with the golf club, if you're going to name a golf course after yourself, the way to do it. he's in virginia, a beautiful place, the commander-in-chief doing that. back and forth over what the commander-in-chief is saying should be going on at the border. some democrats agree that there's a crisis and that the president is saying that the immigrants should be taken to the sanctuary cities. gillian.

>> a brand new ruling yesterday from the 9th circuit court of appeals temporarily froze and injunction monday to keep the department of homeland security from turning asylum seekers back to mexico. this ruling a legal victory for president trump on the same day multiple sources accused him of encouraging his acting homeland security secretary to shut down the u.s. border and offer to pardon him if he did so. dhs spent much of the day shooting down the reports which came from multiple news outlets simultaneously. dhs says at no time has the president pressured or asked the acting secretary to do anything illegal, nor take actions in accordance with our responsibility to enforce the law. this prompted democrats to double down on their criticism of the president's immigration strategies and policies.

>> what the president is doing is, in my view, terribly wrong. what we do need to do is sit down and have comprehensive immigration reform. >> i believe there's a humanitarian crisis at the border, but one caused by president trump and his administration with their failed policies. >> in recent weeks, some democrats have moved away from accusations that the border crisis was manufactured by the trump administration. >> by anyone's definition, by any measure, right now we have a crisis at our southern border. >> that was president obama's homeland security advisor in his first interview with fox news channel about the border and as you know, neil, your interviewed sparked a whole new line of conversation, at least among some security oriented democrats about how to confront the challenges now on the ground. neil. neil: yeah, they are acknowledging, at least, it's pressure city along the border. to illustrate that just last month, 103,000 people were apprehended or turned away at the border.

that represented a better than 12-year high, this amid reports that the caravan of varying sizes, i don't know who to believe, is on its way as well. there's a concern that this is a problem that's going unaddressed. let's get right to it with our guest, alexander wilks, and we've got jessica and kat. back and forth we go, but the crisis persists. >> the saddest thing is that it's been made into almost a strictly political issue. that people discuss the things only that prop up their side, what is the crisis or not a crisis, but there clearly are problems. but a lot of democrats, they don't really want president trump, i'm not saying all, but a lot of democrats don't want president trump to get a win on something like the wall. so they're politically motivated to try to minimize any problems that do come up. >> that sounds like you, jessica. >> (laughter) >> i want to be clear, i was talking specifically about jessica. >> and only jessica. >> and only democrat in america.

you are correct though, and it has become a horribly politicized issue, framed around the wall. we have spoken less about the wall though in the past month or so, which i think is a good thing and it has maybe given democrats more of a gateway to have more conversations about the crisis at the border and jay johnson pointed out three different crisis, including the ones in central america right now and cutting aid to people in the country if you're trying to keep people there and in a better quality of life and that should be a part of it. fixing the asylum system has to happen. i liked hearing nancy pelosi bring up comprehensive immigration reform again, we haven't talked about that. >> a word of the past. >> it comes up usually around elections, but we're 100 days in now and with democrats in control can put focus on that and put the pressure on the senate to get the gang of eight together. neil: and the house democrats will do this, when in fact there's no political upside.

>> comprehensive immigration reform in the way it had had been framed in the past in the gang of six did include a pathway to citizenship or at least legal status? by the way, there are more areas of agreement on both sides than would generally-- >> and if you toss in a conversation about daca recipients, which is something that democrats care a lot about, i think that we could make headway there. neil: all right. and in talking about daca, these are the kids of illegals through no-fault of their own are in a legal limbo in this country. alexandria, one of the things is that two sides are resisting each other and you have the detention centers overflowing and prompted the president saying, all right, ship them to the sanctuary cities and states and i think there's a calculation on his part that it's going to put democrats on defense. what do you think? >> well, i thought-- when he said that i thought back to that line in the state of the union when he talked about the opponents of the wall and the opponents of his strategy on immigration all conveniently living in gated communities and

behind walls and behind barriers to protect their families. and you know, i think that this is an issue that is much more viceral and personal to people out there than democrats realize. in my home state of new jersey there's recently been a murder of a nanny in a jersey city park. bill murphy when he came in, the governor, declared new jersey a sanctuary state, a big thing that he ran on. and so, the murder was committed by an illegal immigrant, somebody who shouldn't have been here. and these kinds of stories are not uncommon. they are cropping up in these so-called sanctuary cities all across the country, and so, i think when he brings up, you know, a tactic like that, he's basically putting it in their court and saying, if you like these policies so much, you have to live with them. >> i think that's a dangerous road to go on. the statistics obviously do not bear out that this is an epidemic that illegal immigrants-- i live in a sanctuary city and i

don't have a problem with them in theory. i think it's important that people who are here illegally, the 11 million been here for years. neil: be protected. why not have more in the places so they can be similarly protected. >> i think a lot of people are going to say if you give people who cross the border illegally sanctuary, the president said that the country is full. we know that's not true. and when he takes umbrage when he says he talks about illegal immigrants as animals and-- >> he talked about ms-13 as animals. neil: and by the way, you don't have to be for or against the president and 1 and a quarter million were allowed in legally. the fact that he's shutting down the borders is wrong and an overstatement. >> that's not the point i'm making. neil: i'm saying we're not fair, on this particular policy saying that the notion that he hates all immigrants, when in fact

record numbers of legal immigrants are being entering this country the legal way. >> i think that the point is, as it relates to illegal immigrants that are crossing the southern border beginning with the campaign rhetoric, that immigrants are murders and racists and we will have a muslim ban, targeted people from the color of their skin or religi religion, and i saw the clip as well, it's about ms-13 and you shouldn't be using that-- >> and i'll dehumanize gang members all day long. if you're watching, you're bad people. i think you need to be careful when you talk about conflating illegal immigration with violent crime because they actually commit less crime-- >> but even letting more in, i'm getting a little old, i've seen it where legal immigration has

morphed into disintegration, i think that's a big and dangerous trend. >> i think you can agree though in terms. violent crimes that these situations illustrate the problem. they shine a light on people who are here who shouldn't be-- >> that this woman wouldn't be dead if it weren't for-- >> obviously against murders, i'm against that. >> all right, guys, we're out of time, but we will pick up on some other themes as the show continues. and the battle over who sits on the federal reserve. there was a time when franklin roosevelt was in a heap of trouble for trying to pack the supreme court. now charges this president, by trying to put people like that fellow, herman cain on the federal reserve is trying to do the same at the fed. steve moore, his other appointment, is next. in-store and online! like natural reflections ladies' spring valley shorts starting at under $15. and save $50 on this bass pro formula/ cabela's fish eagle

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federal reserve? increasingly now with four senate republicans saying they would not approve herman cain making it to the federal reserve it's all, but a done deal. that the federal reserve will not be a done deal for him. that leaves steve moore, the president's other choice who joined the federal reserve with us now. >> hi, neil. neil: what do you think of this, four republican senators who effectively quashed her mman cain's hopes of getting to the federal reserve. >> he's a fighter and i can't think of anybody better than herman cain. what's wrong with a real live businessman who accomplished things in his life and not sitting in an ivory tower? and the uproar myself and herman cain, people don't want people who checked off the boxes we do.

and my view, the fed has made a lot of bad decisions in recent years and maybe it's time for different viewpoints. neil: steve, nancy pelosi said that you and herman cain you're ill-suited, in fact, dangerous for the job. what did you make of that? >> look, i think that nancy pelosi is worried about me because she doesn't agree with my economic ideas, but i'm happy to defend my economic ideas in front of nancy pelosi or any of the senate members. i'm looking forward to meeting with them. you've known me for a long time, neil. i'm a supplysider. and trump shares those views and that's one of the reasons i went to work for him. and the fed, i believe they can have 4% real economic growth with no inflation and high employment. and the fed every time we get economic growth, they think oh, my god, we can't have economic growth, we've got to pull back on the money supply. that's a flawed concept.

we have rates of 6 and 7% growth under ronald reagan, and john f kid. kennedy. the and this is one of my central themes, growth does not cause inflation. neil: and you talked about ronald reagan, only when paul voelker dramatically raising interest rates and made that environment possible, right? >> well, exactly right. what happened? that's a great example of what i believe in. inflation, printing money does not create jobs. a lot of liberals believe, oh, all we have to do is rev up the printing presses and that's going to create economic growth. no, what you want with the fed and your monetary policy is a stable dollar, a dollar that remains stable in price over time and does not cause inflation or deflation, by the way. neil, i was one of the first people that cried foul loudly back in december when the fed

made a huge mistake, a catastrophic mistake. when the stock market crashed, i said this is one of the dumbest policies the fed ever put in place and i was proven right, you remember what happened after christmas and you have to admit-- >> the president says what fuels this argument, steve, i know you've heard it before, you would just be a puppet for the president and do his bidding, that you would stack the deck and change the thinking of the federal reserve and make it much more of a political institution. what do you say? >> no, no, no. that's not true. what is true was i love what this president has done on the economy and i'm proud of work, having worked on the tax plan with him and larry kudlow and proud of the fact that we've reduced regulations. neil: things pick up a lot and you start seeing signs of inflation, are you going to be one who would be open to raising rates? >> oh, absolutely. look, i want the fed -- i want the dollar to be stable. i don't want inflation or

deflation. i want the stable price. i want the dollars in your pocket, in your wallet right now to be worth two years from now, five years from now, what they're worth today. i'm for stable money, high unemployment and growth. if that's controversial, maybe i'm not going to make it on, but i don't understand why it would be controversial. can i mention one other things that caused controversy, i'm in favor of openness and transparency at the fed. when i get over there-- why should the fed act as a secret chamber. no one knows what they're doing and no one sees how they're deliberating. that's ridiculous. we've opened up the consumers to tv cameras. we've opened up congress and-- >> they're a lot more open than they used to be. and they used to be even more transparent. >> not as much as i'd like to see. i'm very much in favor of people seeing how these decisions are made and why do we have to wait, you know, six weeks from the time they make the decision until they publish their minutes? why they made the decision. i think it's bad for the

economy. by the way, nobody at the fed wants that. they don't want the openness and transparency that i do, but i'm going to be an advocate for that. neil: how do you think that jerome powell is doing, the hike in interest rates notwithstanding. >> i think he was misled by career people at the feed. neil: the president went further than that, he regrets choosing the guy. >> pardon me? >> the president went further than that, regrets choosing the guy. >> on powell, i want him to be a success. he's a success if we get to 4% growth and hold the dollar stable. when i go there, i can't wait to meet him, help him get to those kind of policies. i sure hope that herman cain is-- >> and i don't know if he would like you, you're an amiable guy, but-- . in 2020, wouldn't be the first fed chair who missed some

things, but you get the sam rap, gold standard and not, you've been over the map on a couple of issues, where do you stand on what the role of the federal reserve should be? because you've gone so far in the past to say you question why we have it, what do you think? >> i haven't been all over the map, i've been pretty consistent that i want a stable dollar. when people say the gold standard. what i want is the dollar to be as good as gold. neil: you didn't say it that like that. you said you wanted to go to that, the gold standard, not as good as gold. >> i'm in fave of -- favor of using currency or commodity standard, commodities, oil, cotton, copper, soy beans, and look what's happening to those prices and you want those level over time. i don't think that those are particularly controversial issues, but-- >> why do you think you're getting the heat you are? and we mentioned herman cain and there are those because of the heat he's getting and likely won't get and i know you say

otherwise. it might open the door to you and the senate can't get two rejections for the president, the federal reserve that you might benefit there. why do you think you get the reaction you get, the bull in the china shop reaction? >> i think because i've been, you know, in my opinion and in all humility, i've been extremely successful and right in my economic ideas over the last 35 years. as i've said, i with larry kudlow helped to put together the tax plan and liberals hated it and i don't think that anybody would say that's anything, but a huge success. you look at the economy today and there are a lot of people that hate trump and hate anybody who believes in what he's doing. and maybe that should be an indictment and if you look the a the guy's record. neil: and here is why i mentioned taxes. the house ways and means committee chief is on the wires right now. he wants to see the president's tax returns and he's got an april 23rd deadline and do you think that the president should release those returns to settle

this debate? >> that's not for me to say, but i will say that this, that the record of this president when it comes to the economy, i mean, i remember debating these people like larry summers and paul krugman. neil: i hate to be rude, that wasn't my question. do you think he should release his tax returns if for no other reason in the past 50 years all presidential candidates have? >> i think it's up to him and his campaign and i'll leave it at that, but when-- >> if you were running for president, would you release yours? >> i'm not running for president, neil. getting a little ahead of the cart, but i do -- i am running for this job on the economic records that i've helped, you know, contribute to with trump, and people are going to have to explain why it is they said that donald-- new york times yesterday said i was supremely unqualified which is pretty ironic because there's nobody more wrong on the economy in the last three or four years than the new york times. they said we are going to have a

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>> all right. happy saturday to you. for the president of the united states, a golfing saturday morning, leaving the white house earlier, he's in his golf course in northern virginia. this as polls seem to be improving for the president, particularly with the stewardship of the economy. what makes the senator unique, he's a doctor and so obviously, the back and forth on health care and having something in place matters a great deal to him. senator, good to have you. >> hey, thank you for having me, neil. >> it's interesting, senator, the health care issue was a very big issue in the 2018 midterms and apparently, a lot of it went back to the notion, this was a top concern among voters who, because of their concern about it, put democrats in charge of the house. are you of the opinion when the president raised this, we're going to come up with our own health care plan that he was deliberately putting the pressure on you guys to have one in place? because you're a long way from that. >> no, i wouldn't say we're a long way from that. i think the president is trying

to speak to what the american people actually care about, contrast that with democrats who continue to go after the mueller report. and the president knows that high drug prices, surprise medical billing are things that americans are grappling be. i'm a part of the plans and i think he's trying to highlight that and i think that's a good thing. neil: i get a different read from mitch mcconnell as the senate boss who seemed to indicate no. so you're saying that the plans would be in place and something that the voters could respond to in 2020? >> so, a couple of things. one, obviously, make it choice. medicare for all as bernie sanders has advanced, taking health care from 150 to 180 million people who like the health care they have and put them in medicaids and going bankrupt. and working on policies this congress priced transparency, for example, you know the price of an x-ray before you get it as opposed to six weeks later.

surprise medical billing, oh, i went to an in-network hospital, look what i'm getting charged. other things like that and setting the stage, if you will, for a plan i'm personally working on. i call it children health insurance plan 2.0. the chip plan 2.0 a successful bipartisan plan that we've built upon to replace the aspects of obamacare that just are not working. neil: senator, we've been keeping an eye what's going on in new jersey, cory booker, senator going to make it official, former newark mayor before he made it to the united states senate, talking about the unevenness of our economy and not everyone is benefitting and advocated higher taxes on the wealthy, the tax cut that you alluded to earlier is not doing the job. do you get a sense that this is resonating? when democrats certainly to a man or a woman running for president are making it an issue. that maybe it is. what do you think? >> yeah, let's look at the

facts, we have record low unemployment for high school drop-outs. record low unemployment for veterans, for hispanics, for african-americans, for women. the economy is humming and there's wage growth that's disproportionally among those who are lower income. so, if cory booker is saying or any other democrat is saying, we need to do better than that. i'm going to ask him what is their policy to do better than that. record low unemployment for all of these groups. with wage growth disproportionally among them. if you look at what the congress and president trump has done, we are achieving that growth, which is absent of the eight years under president obama. neil: senator, while i have you here and your post on the senate finance committee, you probably know that many of your democratic colleagues, to a man and woman, personally all of them want to see the house ways and means chief by saying by april 23rd it doesn't look like the white house will hand them over, but what do you make of

that back and forth. >> what would that achieve, to get what the american people want or address surprise billing? no, in this hyper partisan affair, it would give the democratic party that which they could now attack trump for. i've seen a commentator on msnbc and-- >> what were you watching msnbc for? >> i was in the gym and they happened off it on and they could take this and that and take it out of context and use it to attack the president. this is super partisanship, it would not advance infrastructure or balance the budget, preserving medicare and social security. they should focus on that, republicans are. and maybe that's the difference between the republicans and the parties.

>> good seeing you again, thank you very, very much. >> thank you. neil: democrats are accusing the attorney general bill barr of just doing the president's bidding, particularly when he said that he wanted to look into what prompted the investigation of everything russia related years ago. robert ray on that after this. staying at hampton for a work trip. when your flight gets in late, it's never too early for coffee. oh no no no. your new boss seems cool, but she might not be sweatpants cool. who is that ready this early? it's only 7 am. somebody help me. close call. not quite ready to face the day? that's why we're here with free hot breakfast and a warm welcome. book at hampton.com for our price match guarantee. hampton by hilton.

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and i'm not suggesting it wasn't adequately predicated, but i'd need to explore that. >> i really don't know what he's talking about when he talks about spying on the campaign. when i hear that kind of language used, it's concerning because the fbi and the department of justice conduct court ordered electronic surveillance. i have never thought of that as spying. the attorney general has come to the belief that that should be called spying, wow. that's going to require a whole lot of conversations inside the department of justice. neil: all right. back with us is former whitewater independent counsel robert ray. what he makes of the debate over spying, what it is and isn't. good morning. >> good morning. it concerns me that a former fbi director is not concerned about what i have been saying for a long time, your colleagues maria bartiromo has been saying for a long time, why wasn't there an

investigation of the initiation of the investigation and wouldn't you and shouldn't you be concerned about the fact that politics may have entereded into the decision about whether or not to seek court authorized surveillance against an opposing political campaign, presidential campaign. neil: but by the attorney general making that statement, only days after-- in fact, a day after the president was calling it a witch hunt, and justifiable from the president's eyes, made it look like he was doing the president's bidding. >> and i think the word spying, because it's a word that the president used and the attorney general explained, what he meant by-- he wasn't suggesting that anybody was doing anything illegal or wrong, he simply said it's worthy of an investigation which many people has been saying for quite some time. neil: he's careful with his

words, he doesn't blurt out anything. >> if he had said eavesdropping, he would have gotten away with it. i think it's clear what he was referring to is when we drill down and get into this thing, the steele dossier made its way to be relied upon in connection to the warrant application for the fisa court. what wasn't fully disclosed was how the fbi knew who commissioned it. and that it came from an opposing campaign, an opposing presidential campaign. why that wasn't disclosed seems to me to warrant further inquiry. that may not require an exhaustive amount of investigative attention and we'll await the inspector general michael horowitz report, which the attorney general indicated was out late may or june and if it warrants a further investigation of the leader of the justice department, the attorney general has signaled so be it. look, i think on a bipartisan

basis, all americans ought to come together and understand that that's a big deal. and the big deal is, when politics and the potential of prosecution mix, that's dangerous in a democracy. neil: jerry nadler characterized the obsession with an investigation to go into the investigation with deflection, that oh, look at this. >> i'm not interested in prolonging the agony. i don't think any right-thinking person is, but you do want to understand and get to the bottom of things. not so much because you're looking to hang scalps, but frankly because you're trying to make sure why the procedures followed? if they weren't followed, why weren't they? how can we do better in the future. if we don't have the right procedures ought we not to think whether other procedures should be put in the future? >> when comey is expressing surprise that, you know, wiretapping or eavesdropping on some prominent campaign aides was not spying, or is it just the definition we're missing

here? >> i think he's saying two things. one, they're harping on the use of the word and i think we kind of need to separate that piece out, but he's saying another thing. that he didn't see any problem with the fact that the fbi is conducting an investigation of a presidential campaign, if he thinks and the fbi thinks that wrongdoing was afoot. now, the procedures in place are, we don't just allow the fbi to wander off and conduct electronic surveillance on its own, it has to seek judicial authorization and that means it has to bring that to the department of justice to prosecutors to make a judgment call about whether to seek a wire tap application and set forth in writing the basis of probable cause, and to, we depend on them since it's an ex parte proceedings to be as forth coming as they need to be and as accurate as they should be to fully disclose to a court the types of things that a court should be considering in determining whether court authorized surveillance should be conducted and one of those things is-- the questions of bias.

it would seem to me to have been important with the benefit of hindsight for the court to have known that the origin of the information is by payments made by an opposing presidential campaign. that should raise alarm bells. it concerns me that jim comey doesn't see the problem in that and why that warrants a further look and a further investigation. >> we're going to get the mueller report out, within days or minutes, and maybe in the next 20 minutes of this show, stay tuned. [laughter] >> at least it should be probably monday or tuesday. neil: so we'll get what sense or the other, whether the obstruction of justice charge was exxonerable or-- >> be careful about that. prosecutors don't hand out exoneration cards. neil: the interpretation was that he almost got a pass on that. there was more definitiveness to it. >> i think we're going to see

the summary of findings and conclusions that attorney general barr reflect, it's a significant question, and this is quoting from the mueller report itself, it raised significant questions of law and fact and he might have also added policy. that is how did the obstruction statutes apply to the united states who does indeed have the power to fire the fbi direct for any reason or no reason at all. neil: and rod rosenstein says his characterizations and bullet points on this, he didn't have any argument with. >> right. and that's why it was important for the attorney general to involve the deputy attorney general because guess what? the deputy attorney general was there from the beginning and he supervised this investigation and indeed, hello, he's the one who called for it and appointed bob mueller. neil: and probably read the report. >> he's been involved for the past 22 months or more and that's why it was important tore him to remain until its conclusion. neil: and robert ray, former

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>> did any of you remember the movies of 2001, a space odyssey and how the super computer refused to open the pod door, it's our own technology turning against us. in my eyes, turned amazon workers have been snooping on users and taking advantage of the alexa device at home. and just randomly picking out what they were saying and doing. they say there was no ill intentions here, they were helping alexa glean what you say and understand what you say. it raises questions, what is that little device doing in your home and what is it picking up what you're saying in your home. kat is with us, confirming every suspicion you've had about this

technology. >> absolutely. as soon as this came out i thought man, it'd be nice to spend more time on my couch than i already do and just be able to say, hey alexa, do this, do that. but i don't want it listening to me and i know how humanity is and of course, they're going to be tempted to listen in on what things people are saying and doing. i might get bored if that was my job. i might want to listen to what other people were saying and doing. neil: they say there was no sinister intent. >> of course they're saying that. neil: i think much of this was generated from hearing some guy speaking in romania about what could have been a rape. >> right. neil: and i don't know how that happened, but they picked up on it, they wanted to get more finesse how alexa picks up on this and what their obligations are. what do you think? >> i'm sure that's what they say, but at the same time, i don't know need them to collect that information about me. i'd rather than have this better experience, they're saying they're trying to give you, i'd rather have the private experience. right? i don't want people who are

strangers hearing what goes on in my apartment. i don't want anyone hearing what goes on in my apparent quite frankly. sometimes i talk to my cat and i have full conversations with him and sometimes it turns into songs and i answer back. neil: whatever works. >> i guess i probably shouldn't have shared that. [laughter]. >> i might as well get the alexa. the big not quite scandalous. neil: and thousands of workers doing this. >> what blows my mind is when people don't care. people are starting to accept that their privacy is violated and using the social media sites anyway and google maps, even though they know that google maps track you. people accept that and i don't want to live in a world that privacy is the thing of the past. neil: technology proves to win. >> there's the trade-off. we talk about using facebook, instead of a photo album, they're collecting your data. you want alexa to turn off the light. everyone just do this, flip off, flip on.

my arm is not tired. it's not that hard. and to make that trade-off. that's not a trade-off that i've made yet. neil: she tells it like it is. and whether she talks to her cat or not and they usually answered me. and the worries and controversies of the world, if they're really gripping up, then, why is wall street racing to near records again after this. i can't believe it. that there's a lobster in our hot tub? lobster: oh, you guys. there's a jet! oh...i needed this. no, i can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on our car insurance with geico. we could have been doing this a long time ago. so, you guys staying at the hotel? yeah, we just got married. oh ho-ho! congratulations! thank you. yeah, i'm afraid of commitment... and being boiled alive. oh, shoot. believe it. geico could save you 15% or more on car insurance. that guy's the worst.

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did the market see something that maybe the rest of us do not. that our colleague, lindsey, to your credit, amid the craziness back in december and everything else, you side the underpinnings are fine and i like what i'm seeing out of corporate america and sure enough, that's what we've seen since. we're in the middle of earnings season and this is expected to be a contracting quarter where things shrunk from where they were before. what do you make of what we're in for? >> well, i think that if you look at the data, what the data is showing you is that gdp is coming in better than expected for the first quarter and i think earnings are going to be in positive territory for the first quarter, which is going to help boost the expectations for 2019, the consensus estimate right now 1.9% earnings growth in 2019. that's a very small number compared to 23% earnings growth in 2018. and everyone said, hey, look, we're finally cycling these, the

benefits from fiscal stimulus and the tax bill, so, there's no where to go, but down. you look around the globe and everything is slowing. it's a dire situation, we did zoo he softness in the economic data and we'll see that pick up in the fourth quarter and the fed is on the market side with the dovish tone. and they believe that a china deal will get done sooner rather than later and corporate america is feeling more optimistic than they were earlier. so i think that all that said, things are looking pretty good. that doesn't mean there won't be volatility in the market and there will be ups and downs, but i think overall, that the market is in good shape. we're not fully out of the water. there are still uncertainties like you mentioned. neil: sure. and david, more young people are optimistic about where things are going and it's not they're going to jump into the markets here, but they're feeling pretty good. and i'm wondering, you're with this, you're part of that? >> of course. neil: i'm wondering what are they saying right now? are they believers in what's happening here? because to hear all of these

candidates, you know, it's a depression. >> you know, neil, here we mix politics and economics, a lot of people don't. let's remember on main street things are pretty good, unemployment is at a record low and even if we don't count on that, we know anecdotally the labor market is much better than it used to be. young people are getting jobs and able to start their lives. millennials my age were greatly effected by the recession and millennials and gen z don't have what i encountered. neil: you act like you're old, but you're like-- >> i'm 34. neil: how is that working out for you? >> 34 is good, 35 soon. neil: you can run for president. >> yeah, if pete buttigieg, yeah, 37 years old. i think that people 22 had it easier than when i was 22. [laughter] >> they do. i hate to sound like one of those-- >> oh, back in my day, it was harder. neil: and did we loose sight.

fact-- i say the president should be up 10 points on the polls on the economy and markets. there are other factors that keep him down, personal and others, it's an argument to say-- >> no, the stock market looks good. your team is showing the graphics and we're percentage up a percentage point roughly before the dow and the s&p 500 and the nasdaq off record highs. i want to pick up an earnings point. for the year we look good and i underline the image of volatility, because for the first quarter, most people are saying net, net. the costs are difficult from the first quarter of last year. and drop, so probably did-- >> what i used to do with my parents and my report card, i'm going to get a d, i got a c, and they think i'm a genius. >> jp morgan did well, and that carried, and overall not a bad picture with hiccups on the way. >> numbers have been cut by 800 basis points.

we're looking for 500 on q-1 and now a 3% decline. we haven't seen a cut like that since q-1, 2009. >> you're referring to the earnings estimates? the earnings estimates. isn't that their way of downplaying expectations and if you beat by a little bit, you're off to the races. >> oh, yeah, we haven't missed earnings expectations in the last decade. neil: do you invest in the market? >> no, i invest in brick and mortar what i believe in. neil: when you say brick and mortar. >> real estate. i own my investment home and allocate most of my money, i'm not going to leave the money on the table, take the 401(k) and the matching. i'm not in the market, i don't really understand and the supply and demand of housing. neil: and they're a couple of percentage point of reaching all-time highs beginning last fall and you never know. in the meantime, the markets are digesting a lot of news next week, including the pressure on

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>> president trump wins a temporary victory in court. his policy of forcing migrants to stay in mexico during their asylum process remains in place. leland: this, as the president vows to explore sending thousands of migrants to so-called sanctuary cities like san francisco, home to house speaker nancy pelosi. >> new jersey senator and democrat cory booker about to launch his hometown kickoff of his 2020 presidential run. our very own bryan llenas is on the ground with more. >> president trump says senator cory booker has no chance at