speed to that is the story for tuesday night. you can email us your thoughts and story of foxnews.com. we will see you tomorrow night at 7:00 sharp. senator tucker carlson coming up next. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. imagine how it must feel to be to be beto o'rourke, running for president, vice president, you are running anyway. you are giving speech after speech every day. children are the future today the first day of the rest of your life. inspiring stuff like that, deep stuff like that and there is a physical component to the job too. reading your skateboard for the camera taking god knows how many cell fees first snapchat and instagram. it is not an easy gig. one moment you discover that

your one true left the american news media have called it off and left you for a younger, harder candidate. with a pack of cigarettes and never came home. split with some guy from indiana that you cannot pronounce his name. >> there he was yesterday, front and center, now third in the polls with a speech that many have said our historic. >> inspirational so far and something they want to. >> an appeal for a lot of reasons. he is a veteran, openly, he is from ghana, honest and speaks from the heart and a lot about empathy here. you are a concert pianist and speaking norwegian because you want us to read a book. >> a real renaissance man. smarter, it is so smart to try to channel obama. the second coming of obama, we will see about that. to this point, young, fresh, positive change.

>> this guy -- chicken soup for my soul. >> tucker: chicken soup for my soul. even news standard media a new level of commitment. they don't just want to vote for this guy but consume him like a hearty stew. every last drop of booted judge, they are all in. globe what is going on here exactly? who is this guy? a lot of liberals running for president. why would the 37-year-old mayor of some midwestern city, no offense but that is what it is my way with that guy stand out? why is he more impressive then come i don't know, cory booker or former governor governor hickenlooper were 11,000 progressive democrats -- democrats running for president at this moment? why is this guy better than them? that is eight tough question actually. we checked and nobody knows. booted judge himself, his

website gives a bio and tells you how young he is, and it says pretty much nothing about what policies he might support. it is -- it is not an accident but policy points we cannot talk all the time. if democrats figure out how to tell a better story about the principles. and actually that is not a crazy point. storytelling does matter. but first, you have to know what your story is. you have to know what your principles are. and suddenly neither party knows this. they are not sure what they stand for it. that is really why things seem so bizarre right now in this country politically whether so chaotic. the confusion especially on the left, we have to say because when the only principle is gaining power, while, you are out of luck. you want to live eight and people like bernie sanders who seem like they are acting on principle but just the opposite.

here is one example bernie sanders took fire from the left think tank progress. the irony and it's real, that bernie sanders became a millionaire by writing a book about how millionaires are evil. sanders didn't like that criticism. last night he delivered this response to it. listen. >> you risch -- raise the issue i'm a millionaire but we had $50 income and that's a lot of money. enough money in my case, my wife's case, a book that i wrote pretty good book. you might want to read it. [laughter] >> the bestsellers sold all over the world so if anyone thinks that i should apologize for writing a best-selling book, i'm sorry, i'm not going to do it. >> tucker: the question is not should you be allowed to write a book but the question is should you be a millionaire doing it. bernie says shall, if you want to become a millionaire write yr own best seller. so bernie's solution is what?

with me now, entrepreneurship like jack camp and ronald reagan and they were not embarrassed about it and neither were they. let's call not call it socialism, bernie may think it is but more likely he doesn't think about much about anything. he is not capable of it or doesn't care to or whatever. how else would you explain this? sanders completely baffled or think mccallum asked him a simple question the dash where should they be kept exactly? >> the overflow we have no capacity for, where do you think they should go? we need real comprehensive immigration? we don't need and let me say this clearly, we don't need to demonize immigrants. that, we don't need. >> but answer my question which is right now, if you were the president of the united states, we have overflowing facilities. they need to go somewhere because they are in asylums.

where would you put them? >> what about building proper facilities for them right now. >> where? >> on the border. >> so the people on the border should have more facilities in their states but sanctuary cities, accepting people should not? this is a political act. >> know it's not. >> tucker: it's not a real question from us as bernie sanders but keep in mind sanders the front runner in the democratic race for the nation now and impressive at least a man of principle like very smart, really. so where should they be kept? he basically said, nobody should be denied entrance at the border okay, so where should they's state. shut up that is not a real question. past immigration reform. he went immediately to talking points. it is not impressive but buffoonish. the logical incoherence is practically a campaign plank.

for example democrats telling americans spend too many people to jail and they may be right about that. we send a lot of people to jail. thousands of drug dealers out of jail even though we are in the middle of the worst drug epidemic in american history. they even got the white house to sign on to that issue, you may have noticed so it is happening that legislation passed and signed. even thousands of criminals stream out to freedom and to voting which is always the point, at least one democratic presidential candidate eric swalwell said a new class of people we need to send back to prison. mask incarceration on a scale. watch this. criminal prosecution for assault weapons, what is the punishment for people who don't hand him their guns, do they go to jail? but i also offer alternative a hunting club or shooting range. but the greatest threat to the second amendment is doing nothing. the second amendment is not an absolute right.

>> tucker: [laughter] yeah, the greatest threat to the second amendment is not sending millions of law abiding americans to prison after they have been reclassified as felons overnight. that is the real threat. so how is this going to work exactly? how does wall will plan to seize the weapons and all of those people and who will fight on his side during the civil war that will result from this, we have no idea and neither does eric swallow well, he thinks the left wants to hear. and that's what they are doing on every topic, the green new deal the most important thing, more important than the beaches of normandy and winning war or two, the man on the moon, neil armstrong. so it's in the green new deal, nobody knows they are making it up as they go along, impeach trump. it must be done. and the character taking a break from private equity or whatever

he does. and vote his wife to impeaching trump. what are the charges? they don't know. they don't have an idea and they can't tell you. democrats don't know who is leaving their party right now. alexandria ocasio-cortez says she's leaving the party, nancy pelosi scoffs passively aggressively in response to that. >> she likes to minimize the conflicts within her caucus between moderate and the progressives. who have these wings, aoc and her group on one side. >> tucker: commits like five people. and by the way the divide is not between the moderates in the progressives, there is nothing moderate about nancy pelosi. there's nothing progressive about alexandria ocasio-cortez. here is the real division. it is between equality which is the traditional legitimate -- agenda of the democratic party and the constitutional right to protect the people and the new wing of the democratic party

which nancy pelosi bigger than five people but the identity politics wing of the party. the identity politics is the opposite of -- but precludes equality. they make it impossible. identity politics, not equal. some are much better than others. some must be destroyed. that is not equality. that is permanent war. so that is what is taking the place have concerns about the individual. you can see it even in the personal behavior of the democratic candidates for president. beto o'rourke turns out one-third of 1% of his total income to charity last year. he's a a rich guy too. kamala harris, 1.4% to charity. so why are these people not being called out on this? they want to give -- run the country but they don't -- they are against white privilege so it is enough.

except it's not enough. this is not a satisfying style of politics but actually it doesn't improve anyone's life. it is not working. the democrats running for president even though standing on the sidelines no it's not working. they will lose to president trump unless they figure out a way to improve the lives of actual people. otherwise, the contradictions in the party will become unbearable. this is hedge fund managers and illegal aliens. what holds it all together? they have no idea. until they find that how come it will fall apart. nate learned executive director and help find drafts of group beto. nate thank you for coming on. there is poignant about watching yesterday's adored figure cast aside for this new character. this cad from indiana or whatever. but it does raise the bigger question which is, what is the

principal, the core principle of the democratic party right now? i think bernie sanders put its will on your network last night when he said, democratic party is about the government in the economy work for all americans not just the 1% and corporations. i think that is simple when you see it in our policies and the obama governor and the way the candidates are talking about right now. which is quite different than the trump administration is currently doing. >> tucker: it is interesting though, look, i'm for that, by the way that is a politics i agree with and any candidate on either side who puts forward policies i would before. i don't care what policy that person represents. so i'm with you on that. i just wonder how the actual policy prescriptions lineup in favor of what you just said. so obviously, in -- unrestricted immigration, doesn't help average people but the green new deal is a massive come obviously blank check to the power

company. the green power companies but still power companies and someone has to build the wind farms and the solar farms. no, i'm serious so what exactly are you talking about? the hedge fund money of the party of the people, really? >> nate: we are the party that makes college more affordable and the party that is out there fighting everyday for all americans to make union stronger and to increase wages. to make sure americans can afford to go to college and have equal access and education. >> tucker: i'm for those things but how does increasing the number of people in this country willing to work for less and emigration the democratic priority, raise american wages? how does that raise the labor unions? >> nate: we are not entirely open borders but making sure the bert -- the borders are secure and humanely treated across the border. seeking asylum legally allowed to do so through the proper

channels. >> tucker: i agree. those are things that you are for. i believe it. you can defend those things but you can't say those things raged wages because wages are down. one of the main readers -- reason stagnant for 40 years because of low immigration so hn you say you are for higher raises and then something that lowers or raises? it doesn't make sense. >> nate: we are not for minimum wage but republicans fighting for minimum wage right now. across the country, the democrats fighting nationwide state-by-state, new york we just increased minimum wage $15 an hour. the massive benefits that he white already. >> tucker: not actually going to solve the problem. one last question, a sincere one and i'm not trying to be mean, but is there a good explanation for beto o'rourke giving less than 1% of his income to charity last year. that seems pretty low. for someone who wants to remain in policy. >> nate: i will let him answer that question.

i don't claim to speak for him but if you want to talk about charity, let's talk about donald trump and his charity. >> tucker: but, hold on, are you bothered by that? >> nate: i don't have enough information. only know is that headlined that we have seen. it's still early in that but if the same time we don't measure a character by how much they give to charity. again, voters >> tucker: rich people -- much is given my chest. maybe he's not writing off his taxes. that is a real answer but if he's giving less than 1% of total income to charity is disqualified. >> nate: i think he cares about making sure ways that kids can go to school. they don't care about small things like this that the media makes a big deal about. >> tucker: it's not as small thing but a major thing. thank you very much. good to see you, thank you. senior political analyst

brit hume following the season closely as anyone and joins us tonight. >> what do you think? a sincere effort and shifts in american policy, and i'm just being honest about it they are but the democratic party does seem like a huge reorientation and i'm not really sure what it's about anymore. are you a question mark >> brit: no, i'm not and i think we will soon find out if you assume joe barton -- joe biden gets in the race, that will tell us something. it seems clear to me that bernie sanders whatever you think of him has a full toehold in the race, money a pizza support and you can tell in the audience last night's strong basis of support even in parts of trump country so those are two candidates that are not young and not new faces obviously who i think will be with us a while. what we can't tell is it beto o'rourke, pete buttigieg or

kamala harris or any of these others are going to develop any momentum or have any staying power. i think this is a field that is kind of shapeless at this stage. and in terms of understanding it's come in bad need of winning before long it will start to be. >> tucker: so you saw the speaker say, i thought, fairly and hope more than with evidence but about five people on ocasio-cortez side of the democratic party. what do you think the real number is between the young insurgent, angry left and the pelosi party? >> brit: is only five people have counting members of congress. out in the country, those three have considerable falling and they have an appeal. the thing you have to weigh against this talker, these people pretty far out there is, you know, in the end, a member of the old guard is nominated. will people stay home or vote

for trump? i doubt the people disillusioned by joe biden are going to vote for donald trump. as an example. it don't think that will happen. so they will bow and they desperately want trump out of office. they believe he is the antichrist. and may be something worse than that. so they have that powerful unifying -- unifying factor wilt the party altogether but who knows what will happen? we don't know if pete buttigieg is having a moment or proves to be a flash in the pan or seemingly thoughtful approach to things where he seems a little more substance than beto o'rourke will last a while or stay on the scene for the flavor of the month. it is hard to tell. we have all these other characters, eric swalwell, it is almost impossible to believe he would get a toe win this race but in a field this large, who can tell? >> tucker: you never know.

we can say that the eric swalwell administration and a couple of years, you never know. great to see you. >> brit: thanks, tucker. >> tucker: actress lori loughlin a new strategy to avoid jail time in the college bribery scandal. we will tell you what it is after the break but american colleges resembled the estates of fewer words, even professors are becoming served. one who works and an american college right now. about what it's like. probably not what you would expect. that after the break ♪

♪ >> tucker: there are new developments in the college admission scandal. many parents have pleaded guilty in that case, but actress lori loughlin remains defiant tonight. she and her husband pleaded not guilty to law money laundering charges and now that they are arguing currently manipulated by operatives who convinced them not breaking the law somehow. chris trace gallagher has more. >> the fashion designer now reportedly feel like they got scammed in the college scam and a source close to lori loughlin said those who orchestrated the cheating scandal misled and manipulated about the severity of her involvement. she and her has been under the

impression they were breaking rules and outlaws. the source quoting, they realize how serious the charges are but feel once the judge hears their story, he will see they had no bad intentions. let's review lori loughlin paid one half a million dollars to break their $2 -- daughters into the southern university of california at designated recruits for the teen even though they had never road before. and they said they did not believe they were money laundering. they felt the $500,000 used as a donation to benefit the school, which begs the question why didn't they donate money to the school? a legal expert telling fox news after pleading not guilty, lori loughlin have few options saying that he pays 40 years in prison, they desperately need to cut a plea deal but the best-case scenario could be maybe 21-27 months in prison although experts say the final decision

is up to a judge. loughlin's friend said and told the actress recently believed she would end up getting a slap on the risk. she does not think that anymore, tucker. >> tucker: trace gallagher there is something about that story. it is a lot of things but one thing it is amusing i have to say. thank you. every year college cost more. kids, graduate with bigger amounts of debt. so much it is just touring the u.s. economy. a lot of kids struggling to buy homes or start families well into the 30s. many living at home because of the death he pays. and yet some people commit a small group getting very rich from this set up in what is interesting that does not include a lot of people who actually do the teaching in college. whether you like them or not, many schools, many classes taught increasingly so by adjunct faculty. they perceive low pale -- pain and little to no benefits, waiters to pay the bills.

another way college administrators are the award here. the african-american studies, a frequent guest of the show and we debate politics when he's on but it seems like someone worth talking to about this because it is an interesting fact. thank you for coming on to explain this. we agree a huge amount of money, a lot of tax dollars too flowing into american universities. some kids are benefiting but a lot not crushed by student debt. >> absolutely. >> tucker: and yet the courses are not benefiting either so who is getting rich from this arrangement? >> many times the banks lend people money to go to college and often times, you know when you are looking to trace money and who's making money, usually the banks. of course, some universities it may be the football coach or the president of the university. lots of people get paid lots of

money. they do their job and do it well, hopefully, some universities, you know i don't do it so well, but either way they get paid a lot. but you have a lot of adjunct faculty, people gone to school for 8-10, 15 years in cases to get a doctorate because passionate about teaching and they are actually part of the working class and yet, some of them impoverished, sitting and driving -- driving uber or doing whatever they can to make money and this is problematic. not good for students and learning which is one of the biggest problems. >> tucker: that is a problem i have and i'm hostile to a lot but i have kids in college. most people do. when you pay $70,000 a year to send your kids off taught by someone not making enough to live and must drive uber, that tells me the college is not

putting emphasis on care, my right? >> jason: i would agree many ways. teaching is undervalued and we put a lot of value on research and in some cases research that people don't read. all of a sudden, teaching becomes a secondary aim of the university and up a lot of departments. i think that is problematic. and i also think a lot of people who are working to get a doctorate are also teaching a lot of the courses. you have a lot of young people who are being taught by people who don't have much more experience than them. and at the same time, there are people who are starting to get a doctorate sometimes don't make it through the program because they are working so much teaching the course. and something that needs to be done. a lot of people have said we need to unionize grad students, adjunct faculty so people can make a living wage off of what

they do. >> tucker: it is interesting because i think we disagree on most political questions, but this is not sustainable. it is a scam come obviously. thank you very much for coming on. >> jason: thanks a lot, tucker thanks for having me. >> tucker: one presidential candidate said it. if elected i will put law-abiding gun owners in prison. that winning message. we will tell you after the break. plus dean cain on the set in los angeles. that is ahead.

>> tucker: we've been trying to hide it but you may figure out the show was in los angeles this week. continental country and you want to see both sides, anyways we are here in l.a. we pecked in a sound and when the beach, california and the local cop cars decorated with a

local and that should not surprise us because after all this is america. even if it is westward outpost. it is america. it surprised anyone could get away with supporting america 2019. it turns out we were right to be surprised. laguna beach, under attack for using the flag. why would that be controversial? laguna beach councilman to explain the problem. >> unfortunately this evolved into a debate what the flag means what is the symbolism of the flag. there are people in laguna beach saying the flag is hostile, intimidating, threatening and that it is a symbol of racism. >> tucker: hostile, threatening, racist! who are flag, of course is none of those things. this is our projections. the left despises the american flag and they despise it because

america is a country and inhabited by americans rather than a hodgepodge of other cultures united by only economic interest. that is their vision. if americans remember it is an actual country and not just some massive private equity scheme, they might expect their politicians to focused on the best interest of america at the people who live in that country. but focusing on america would -- there could be none of this country or sovereign tree talk, the flag must go. even in laguna beach, california. welcome as we told you the top of the show the democratic presidential candidate eric swalwell an an end m president d active honesty when he talks about guns. you talk about background checks or barrel shrouds, he was blunt and said we are abandoning semiautomatic rifles if i'm president and we both take them from their owners by force and anyone who refuses to comply goes to jail. that is eric swalwell.

james, the pact, pretty familiar with democratic politics and james joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. so we've had on the show of a few times, eric swalwell but never about guns. so i want your take on this. i don't think i'm misunderstanding in fact i'm not. anybody who possesses a legal product today will be a felon when he makes it legal and without committing acts of violence, that person can be imprisoned. that sounds like mass incarceration to me. i would think it would be against debt. >> tucker, thanks for having me and obviously congressman eric swalwell did say he wants to ban military assault rifles. he also said folks who want to keep them would be able to do so at a a gun club or huntress rane or a locker. it's not taking them by force. but a buyback program.

this is his his proposal, not mine. >> tucker: i know it's not your proposal but he just said twice, and he just said it on cnn, people who don't give up their guns will go to jail. he just said this so it's not a buyback program to take it by force? speak to people who follow the law will be prosecuted. now, what the charges are -- >> tucker: the low as you can have the guns in your home. you are mischaracterizing it. i just played the clip. let's debate the proposal. why would you want to do this? >> quentin: we are not talking about what is important. and look for majority of americans know we need to fix our broken gun law system. we have a broken system here where folks are -- >> tucker: but we are talking

about specific -- i got it. but no, i just gave you. this is so frustrating. the presidential candidate it is really simple. it is the issue. here is a democratic presidential candidate who is offering a specific solution which you are ignoring because it is embarrassing. >> quentin: i'm not. >> tucker: supporting people in prison if they don't give up their guns or no, i don't support it. it is irrelevant. >> quentin: i support -- >> tucker: >> quentin: if people want to break the law whatever the punishment of the crime, yeah, they should deal with it. i do agree with that, yes. >> tucker: you guys are restless. i wouldn't give up my gun under any circumstance. i am posing no threat, i'm not giving it up and most americans wouldn't and you know that. >> this is about military style

weapons. getting them off of our streets. >> tucker: you are scaring people when you talk like this. you are scaring me. >> quentin: we want to be able to defend ourselves. the second amendment. >> tucker: you know that. >> quentin: tucker, this is about total power. >> tucker: the i am being told we are out of time. >> quentin: i would hate for them to be able to be went i would hate for them to go to prison for exercising gun rights. >> quentinplease don't try thisn america. we are out of time. thank you very much. i appreciate it. tiger woods is the champ once again anyone the masters an amazing story come up once, the country is united in joy that t. why aren't more sports stories like that. i will ask that from our guest coming up.

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i'm a nonexpert on the cult of tiger woods but i solve this and thought something great about this. why did everybody feel this way about this? >> jason: everybody loves comeback story and story that is about family and tiger woods and his dad had a special bond and that is where the tiger support started. what tiger represented in 1997 when he won his first masters an iconic hug with his father at 21. and then his dad has passed. that was a tragedy for tiger. obviously 2009 with his wife and tigers image blowing up in his face was a tragedy. then all the injuries tiger has had. he got an addiction to painkillers. tiger has become a comeback story and an underdog. tiger woods didn't think he would play at a high level and he thought he might not play again but then to see him return

to the greatest golf america has had and to win and winick against a group of young guys he created? it is the rocky story. >> tucker: so someone with sports really give us to sentence perspective. how remarkable is it as a sports achievement? >> jason: right there with a miracle on ice, hockey and the soviet union and a hockey. right there in terms of the feel-good story of mohamed oli lifted the torch in 1996 ml and a come of that was a great, wonderful story and kind of the muhammad ali of his story but this feels like tiger in competition for more major turnt is like a movie, man. >> tucker: i agree completely. here is the obvious question. if i'm looking at sports as a business and you caliber this a

lot, i want a lot more moments e this and i want a lot fewer moments about the national anthem. i want politics out of my sports. >> jason: sports traditionally come overwhelmingly have been a platform to bring us together, despite our differences. and over the last five years, we have turned sports into a platform debating our differences. that has been inappropriately and just quite frankly bad business. at the end of the day, golf, football, they are just television shows. and they are all script trying to have these political debates. this is the place where political debates. >> tucker: amen. >> jason: you are not with a golf club, football and everybody with expectations -- >> tucker: i can't throw a football which is why i'm hosting a whole show. speak to a course, that is not g

disagreement with people. we are there to watch athletes do things we can only dream of doing. we are there to be entertained we are there, you made me a right-leaning person but we both love tiger woods. football, this is -- >> tucker: i have to believe most athletes believe the same way. no matter where they are. >> jason: most, no question. >> tucker: who is pushing sports off into this territory. >> jason: i come back to the same people all the time, silicon valley, the tech company and social media. because they have hooked the athletes on social media brand. they are more called up in their social media brand then they are branded as great athletes. our brains have been hacked. in all of these athletes, many of them, not tiger woods but many of them. in football, basketball and all the sports, addicted to their cell phones and social media. they want to be popular they are and the way to be popular

theories be polarizing in devices. >> tucker: so if i was and i agree completely, the last question if you were coaching a professional sports franchise -- >> jason: it is tough. if i were running low income if i were running one it would put it in my contract that my athletes not be involved with social media and you can't come with the team will have twr feeds, instagram accounts but as an athlete we don't want you involved in that at all. >> tucker: wow. >> jason: no, no, but people, listen, i think it was last we week. spoke against silicon valley and the tech companies and people waking up. >> tucker: is destroying the country and you have been saying that for the longest time. jace whitlock, great to see you. well, they are coming after the podcast for not adequately toeing the line. i will tell you what they are saying after the break.

bernie sanders the latest democrat to endorse abortion up to birth. the great dean cain to respond to that. and the subject, straight ahead. ♪

♪ >> tucker: joe rogan is a comedian and television figure and host have a pod close to joe rogan experience. you may not know it, but it is a big deal. one of the most popular podcast in the world. suddenly angry critics in the world. a character assassination organization with posing as a nonprofit. when after rogan. their complaint he has too many men on his program. it doesn't matter that is his program and he can put as many as he wants and obviously his fans are happy with the program. joe rogan can watch anything on cnn or msnbc.

but sending a warning, joe rogan better listen to them or they will find excuses to add a boycott and take the show will way. if you ask media matters, they are upset because he doesn't care about diversity but the truth is exactly the opposite, he welcomes a diversity of opinions, left, right, everybody in between, lawn mowers, jones, he interviewed them all. rogan and his fans want to hear it. but for the lee speech on the left terrifying because they don't control it, it shouldn't exist at all. and in power instead. so stay strong, joe rogan. the town hall, bernie sanders says abortion is clear, it should be legal without any restriction at all up to birth, watch. >> do you believe that a woman should be able to terminate a pregnancy up to the moment of birth? >> look, i think that happens very, very rarely, and i think

it is being made into a political issue. i think the decision over abortion belongs to a woman and dishes soon not the federal government, not the state government. >> tucker: ten years ago that would be an extreme position but today it is the moderate position for the democratic party. some depending and fantasized flat-out. safely and rare, no, that is not the position but it should be free, frequent and horrifying. so dean cain started in a movie, and joins us tonight. thank you very much for coming on. and i think if he was having a traditional liberal view of abortion that has never been, you know advocating for the overturning of roe v. wade or anything. are you surprised how much the goalpost has moved the last couple of years? >> dean: shocking to me really. to be talking about tomorrow --

abortion on demand, how rare? how many babies that are viable should be murdered on the senator sanders come is that 100, thousand? >> tucker: if i said to you, this guy got the death penalty and executed and he would do it, it seems rare. don't politicize it. let's not politicize this. >> dean: abortion being a political hot-button issue is not new. that is not new. i don't think people have been politicizing now. it's been that way a long time. that is insane to me. >> tucker: should we allow this in our country were not? >> dean: 100% committed has been talked about forever. but so extreme and - extreme and frighten. and up to birth from abortion on demand, any time anywhere for any reason is not okay. i'm actually pro-choice and if i were to be a legislator i would be in that ballpark but for most of the states, 20 weeks, 24

weeks and extenuating circumstances okay and i wanted to be rare, personally i'm pro-life. i would want to end my life, but shocking to me someone would advocate for allowing up to, you know the moment of birth. kermit because nell did that. he had live births killed the children and very well could have given comfort care until they passed away by governor northam suggested but he actually went out and snipped spinal sports and he's in jail forever. >> tucker: how has it changed your views on the subject? >> dean: it made me out not to be a fan but excepting. i want to push against it more and more because i believe -- i've seen too many 24, 26 babies born 20 weeks and viable and live happy, wonderful lives. >> tucker: yeah, they are people. >> dean: they are people. that is the thing that gets lost. it's not about the women. the senator saying it's about a

woman in health care and her body but at a certain point when is it a life and that is the question they ask. >> tucker: i'm not even advocating for point of view but do you think actual conversations like adult conversations about this topic? >> dean: i hope and pray that we do. we need to. where it is at right now, he cannot be mainstreamed. i don't think america is ready to elect anybody abortion on demand anywhere, anyplace. i don't see it happening. >> tucker: i agree with that. people would find that repenta repentant. dean cain, one of the great pleasures to come to the west coast and seeing you in person. >> dean: thank you, sir. >> tucker: i wish we were staying but we are not. we will be back from los angeles, not to brag or anything, 8:00 p.m. tomorrow night eastern show >> "the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink." dvr it if you are capable of

doing that but otherwise just to nam. 8:00 p.m., 5:00 pacific. that is it for us but we have good news for us. following this program promptly 9:00 p.m. for certain time tonight from new york city the financial capital of this country, sean hannity will be taking over right now. >> are you really in los angeles? >> tucker: i have a dinner idea for you, have you eaten yet? with my wife. in and out for her. >> eat it with lettuce and bun and put a lot of animals. but you have to know the code. in-n-out burger. >> you know i'm actually going to try that. is that approved? just go eat it and enjoy it, tucker. >> i will text you tonight, thank you, sean. >> sean: welcome to "tucker carlson