young woman obsessed with the columbine shootings armed and dangerous on the loose they believe in the denver area. we will keep track in that story. in the meantime, most-watched, most trusted, most grateful you spend your evening with us. good night from washington, i'm shannon bream. will leave you with the empire state building. ♪ >> tucker: a good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." imagine how it must feel to be beta o'rourke right now. if you're o'rourke they're out there running for president, really hard, or at least running for vice president. you're running anyway. giving speech after speech every day. children are our future. today is the first day for theth rest of your life. inspiring stuff like that, deep stuff like that and there's at, physical component of the job too. you write on a or for the camera. it's taken god knows how many sulfates for your fans on snapchat and instagram. it's not an easy gig. then one morning you wake up and discover that your one true

love, the american news media, have called it off. they've left you for younger, hotter candidate. went out for a pack of cigarettes and just never came home. they split with some guy from indiana, you can even pronounce the guy's name. >> there he wasth yesterday, frt and center, now third in the polls with a speech that many have said or historic. >> is inspirational so far and that something that voters absolutely want. >> he has this appeal for a lot of reasons. he is a veteran, he is openly gay, he's from indiana, he's honest, a lot about empathy her here. >> you are a concert pianist. if you speak many leg which is included norwegian that you learned because he wanted to read a book during a real renaissance man. >> he's like a smarter brother a little bit. >> nt so smart to try to channel obama.el >> the second coming up out of all of obama? my prayers may have been answered if that'sbo true. >> the draw to this point is the young, fresh, positive andt, change agent. >> this guy's chicken soup for

my soul. >> tucker: chicken soup for my soul. even by the naughty standards of the news media, this is a new level of political commitment. if they don't just want to vote for the sky, they want to consume him like a hearty stew. every last drop of buttigieg, yum. they are all in. what's going on here exactly? who is this guy? there are a lot of liberals running for president right now. why would the 37-year-old mayor of some third string midwestern city, no offense, but that's what it is, why would that guy stand out? why is he more impressive then, ii don't know, senator cory booker or former governor john hickenlooper? or for that matter any of the approximately 11,000 democrats p running for president at the moment. why is - this guy better than them? that's a pretty tough question, actually. we checked, nobody knows. least of all, buttigieg himself. his website gives you his bio

and tells you how young he is, very young.ho it says pretty much nothing about what policies he might support. that's not an accident. we can't just talk policy points all the time, buttigieg said recently. as democrats we have to figure out how to tell a better story about our principles. and actually, that's not a crazy point. storytelling does matter. but first you have to know what your story is.av if you have to know what your principles are. and suddenly neither party knows this. they're not sure what they stand for. and that's really why things seem so bizarre right now in this country politically, why they are so chaotic. the confusion is, especially acute on the left, we have to say because when you're only principle is gaining power, well, you're out of luck, you wind up elevating people at bernie sanders, who seem like they're acting on principle for just the opposite. here's one exam become mike sanders recently took fire from the left-wing think tank center

for american progress. they noted the irony, and it's real, that bernie sanders become a millionaire by writing a book about how millionaires are evil. sanders didn't like that criticism. last night he delivered this response to it. listen.er >> you raise the issue i'm a millionaire. actually this year we had $500,000 income. that's a lot of money, and that money, in my case, my wife's case, it came from a book that i wrote -- pretty good book, might want to read it. it was a best seller, sold all over the world and we made money. so if anyone thinks that i should apologize for writing a best-selling book, i'm sorry, i'm not going to do it. >> tucker: so the question is not should you be allowed to write a book, the question is should you become a millionaire doing it and bernie says yeah, yeah.re if you want to become a millionaire, write your own best seller. so bernie's solution is, what? with me now, entrepreneurship.

just like jack kemp and ronald reagan, he's not embarrassed about it, neither were they. but let's not call it socialism. let's not tell the kids it's socialism.al it's not socialism. bernie may think it is. if more likely come he doesn't think that much about anything. maybe he's not capable of it or doesn't care to, or whatever. how else explain this. at last night thiss channel sanders seems completely baffled when martha maccallum asked him a very simple question. the immigrants being detained at the border, where should they be kept exactly? watch this. >> the overflow that we have no capacity for, where do you think they should go? >> we need real comprehensive immigration reform. we don't need -- let me say this re completely, we don't need to demonize immigrants. that we don't need. >> answer my question, which is right now if you are the president of the united states, we have overflowing facilities, they need to go somewhere because they're in that asylum process, where would you put

them? >> what about building proper facilities for themyo right now? could be done right on the border. >> of the people who live on the border should have more facilities in their states but century cities which have said they are open to accepting people should not take more? >> this is a political act. >> no it's not. >> tucker: it's not a real question says bernie sanders. keep in mind, sanders is the front runner in the democratic race for the nomination right now. it is considered super impressive. at least a man of principle and depth, he's an intellectual. you may not like him but he's very smart. he was just asked where should they be kept and he basically said nobody should be denied entry at the border. okay, so where are they going to stay? shut up, that's not a real question. don't demonize the immigrants, e reverts immediately to talking points. that's not impressive, it's buffoonish and it's par right now. the democratic party, logical incoherence is practically a campaign plank. for example, democrats are telling us that america sends too many people to jail and they

may be right about that. we sent a lot of people to jail. they're telling us we need to let thousands of drug dealers out of jail even though we are in the middle of the worst drug epidemic in american history. they even got the white house to sign onto that, as you may have noticed, and so is happening. if the legislation passed and was signed. and yet even as thousands of criminals stream out to freedom and to voting, which is always the point, at least one democratic presidential candidate, eric swalwell, tells us we need to send a new class of people backne to prison. mass incarceration on a huge scale, watch this. >> criminal prosecution for keeping assault weapons. what the punishment for people who don't hand in their guns? do they go to jail? >> they would, but i also offer an alternative, to keep them at a hunting club or a shooting range, but i think the greatest threat to the second amendment is doing nothing. in the second amendment is not an absolute right. >> tucker: the greatest threat to the second amendment is not

sending millions of law-abiding americans to prison after they've beenmi reclassified as felons overnight. that's the real threat. so how is this going to work exactly? how does he plan to seize alls those weapons and imprison all of those people? it was to fight on his sideig during the civil war that inevitably will result from this? we have no idea. and of course neither does eric swalwell. he's just making noises he thinks the left wants to hear. that's what they're all doing on every topic. they tell us the green new deal is the most important thing we can do. it's more important than the beaches at normandy. it's more important than winning world war ii. it's more important than putting a man on the moon. armstrong, the green new deal is in town now. okay, so what's in the green new deal? nobody knows. they're making it up as they go along. impeachedbo k from. it must be done. that character has taken a break from private equity or whatever he does to devote his life to impeaching from.

one of the charges? they don'tin know. they don't have any idea. they can't even tell you. democrats don't even know who is the party right now. alexandria ocasio-cortez says that she is leading the party. nancy pelosi scoffs passively aggressively in response to tha that. >> she likes to minimize the conflicts within her caucus between the moderates and the progressives. >> you have these wings, aoc and her group on one side. >> that's like five people. >> tucker: it's like five people, if only. by the way, the divide is not between the moderates and the progressive spirit if there's nothing moderate about nancy pelosi. there's nothing progressive about alexandria ocasio-cortez. here's the real division, it's between equality, which is the traditional agenda of the democratic party, , and agenda they carried about the individual and the constitutional that protect the individual and the new wing of the democratic party, which, new

students policy, is bigger than five people, if the identity politics wing of the party. denny politics is the opposite of equality. identity politics preclude equality. if they make it impossible. in identity politics all groups are not equal. some are much better than others. some must be destroyed. that is not equality, it's permanent war. so that's what's taken the place of concerns about the individual and you can see it even in the personal behavior of the democratic candidates for president. beto o'rourke, for example, turns out gave one-third of 1% of his total income to charity last year. one-third of 1%. he's a rich guy too. harris, also a rich person, 1.4% to charity. so why are these people not being called out on this? they want to run the country but they give nothing to charity? because they say the right things, that's why. check the little identity politics boxes. they are against white privilege, so it's enough, except it's not enough. this is not a satisfying style

of politics. it doesn't actually improve anyone's life. it's not working. and the democrats running for president, even those standing on the sidelines, no it's not working. they're going to lose to president trump unless they figure out a way to improve the lives of actual people. otherwise the internal contradictions in this party will become unbearable. this is the party of hedge fund managers and illegal aliens. what holds it altogether? they have no idea and until they find that out it's going to fall apart. nate lerner's executive director of build the wave, he helped found the group "draft beto" and we are happy to have a montagnais. thanks for coming on. there something head of poignant about watching yesterday's adored figure get cast aside for this new character. this cad from indiana or whatever. but it does raise the kind of bigger question here, which is, what is the principal -- the core principle of the democratic party right now?

>> i think bernie sanders put it very well on your network last night when he said the democratic party is about making sure that government and the economy work for all americans, not just the 1% and corporations and i think that's pretty simple and you see it in our policies. you see it in the way obama governed, the way clinton governed. and what the candidates are talking about right now, which is quite different than what the trump administration is currently doing. >> tucker: it's interesting trthough. look, i'm forin that -- by the way, that's a politics that i agree with. any candidate on either side who puts forward policieswi that achieve that, i would before, and i don't care what party that person represents. so i'm with them on that. i just wonder how the actual policy prescriptions lineup. in favor of what you just said. obviously unrestricted immigration, more low skilled immigration helps big companies, it doesn't help average people. the green new deal is a massive, obviously, blank check to the power companies.

not the green power companies, but they are still power companies. some of it got to build the wind farms. somebody stuck to build the solar farm -- i'min serious. what exactly are you talking about? the party that takes all the headphones money is a part of the people? how does this -- i mean really. >> where the party that passed the aca, the party that's working to make college more affordable. we are the party that's out there fighting every day for all americans making unionsan stronger, to increase wages, to make sure that americans can afford to go to college and have equal access to an education. >> tucker: i'm for those things, but how does increasing the number of people in his country willing to work for less through immigration, which is a democratic party, the number one priority as far as i can tell. how does that raise american wages? how does it strengthen labor unions? >> we are not for open borders. were for making sure the border is secure, making sure that immigrants, illegal immigrants are treated humanely when they cross the border. making sure those seeking asylum legally are allowed to do so and through the proper channels.ou >> tucker: i agree.

look, those are things that you're for. i believe it. and you can defend those things. you can't say those things raise wages. they make wages go down. if s that one of the main reasoe that wages at the low end have remained stagnant for 40 years, because of low-wage immigration. how can you say you're for higher wages and in support something that lowers rages. >> i don't really agree with that. we are for a minimum wage. republicans are fighting for minimum wage right now. we are seeing across the country democrats fighting nationwide, state-by-state to increase the minimum wage in their state. in new york we just increased minimum wage to $15 per hour thisge has massive benefits citywide already. >> tucker: not actually going me ask you one last question, a sincere one and i'm not trying to be mean, but is there a good explanation for beto o'rourke givingbu less than 1% of his income to charity last year? that seems pretty low for someone who wants to remain in public service. >> i will let him answer the question. i don't claim to speak for him but if you want to talk about

charity, let's talk about donald trump it has charity. >> tucker: trump bad, but hold on. are you bothered by that? >> i don't have enough information -- all we know is the headline that i we've seen. it's still very early in that but at the k same time you don't measure a person's character simply by how much they give to charity and again, voters care about actual issues right now. >> tucker: much is given, much as asked. maybe he's giving it a not writing off as taxes. that's a real answer. but if he's giving less than 1% of his total income to charity, he is disqualified from running for federal office. >> voters care about making a livable wage, making sure the kids can go to school. they don't care about small things like this that the media makes a big deal about. they care about the kitchen table issues. >> tucker: it's a major thing. >> it's pretty minor. >> tucker: thanks very much. good to see you, thank you. flexing a political analyst brit hume is been following this

season as closely as anyone and joins us tonight. what do you think -- do you think that there has been -- this is a sincere effort to try to understand the shifts in american politics. i think the republican party is at sea as well, i'm just being honest about it there but the democratic party does seem like there's been a huge reorientation, and i'm not really sure what it's about anymore. argue? >> no, i'm not, and i think we will soon find out -- if you assume joe biden gets into the race, how he fares in the early going will tell us something. it seems clear to me that bernie sanders, whatever you think of him, has a full toehold in the race. he's got money, a base of support, you could tell him that audience last night that he has a base of support, even in parts of trump country. so those are two candidates who are young and not new faces,ot obviously, who will i think be with us a while. but we can't tell is whether beto o'rourke or pete buttigieg or kamala harris or any of these

others are going to develop any momentum or have any staying power and i think this is a field that is really kind of shapeless at this stage and in terms of our understanding of it, in bad need of being winnowed, which i think before very long it will start to be. >> tucker: so you saw the speaker say, i thought and hope more than with evidence that there are about five people on ocasio-cortez's' hot side of the divide of the democratic party. what do you think the real number is between a young insurgent, angry left and the pelosi party? >> it's only five people if you're counting members of congress. out on the country i think those three have a considerable following and they have an appeal. the thing you have to weigh against all of this, when you start thinking that these people are pretty far out there, is if in the end member of the old guard is nominated, will people stay home or vote for trump? and i doubt the people who are

disillusioned by joe biden are going to vote for donald trump, just to cite an example. i don't think that's going to happen so they will probably come home and vote and they desperately want trump out of office, they believe is the antichrist and the most evil man ever to be president and maybe something worse than that.. so they have that powerful unifying factor on that side, which i think will tend to knit the party together but when all is said and done who knows what's going to happen? we don't know whether young pete buttigieg is just having a moment and will prove to be a flash in the pan or whether his seemingly thoughtful approach to things where he seems a little more substantive than beto o'rourke, for goodness sake, will last a while, or whether he will dissipate from the scene, flavor of the month. it's very hard to tell and we got all these other characters. eric swalwell. it's almost impossible for me to believe that he would get a toehold in this race but in a field this large, who can tell? >> tucker: you never know. this could be the eric swalwell administration in a couple of years. you never know.

for him, great to seee you. >> thanks. >> tucker:uc actress laura laughlin has a new strategy to avoid t jail time in the college bribery scandal. we will tell you what it is after the break. plus, american colleges increasingly resemble the states of feudal lords. even professors are becoming serfs. a really interesting conversation with someone who works in an american college right now about what it's like. probably not what you would expect. that's after the break. ♪ prob a ton of goals... but you're stuck in the vicious cycle of credit card payments. it's time to get a personal loan from sofi. borrow up to $100k to pay off your credit cards, and then pay us back with one monthly payment. and it's all with zero fees. get a personal loan, and pay no fees. ♪

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♪ >> tucker: there are new developments tonight in the college admissions scandal. many parents have already pleaded guilty in that case but actress laura laughlin remains defiant tonight. she and her husband of pleaded not guilty to fraud and money laundering charges. now that they argue -- they are arguing currently they were manipulative by unscrupulous operatives that convince them were not breaking the law somehow. trace gallagher has more ones t that. >> tonight you have lori designerenter fashioneh husband reportedly feel like they got scammed in this college scam. a source close to her is now telling entertainment tonight that those who orchestrated the cheating scandal misled and manipulated her about the severity of her involvement. and that she and her husband were under the impression they were breaking rules, not laws.

the source goes on to say, quoting here, "they realized how serious the charters are but feel like once the judge hears their story you will see they had no bad intentions. so let's review. they allegedly played one half million dollars to bribe their two daughters into the university of southern california to be designatedk as recruits for the crew team even though their had never rode before and now they say they did not believe they were money laundering. they felt the $500,000 would be used as a donation to benefit the school, which begs the question, why didn't they donate money to the school? and a legal expert is telling fox news that after pleading not guilty she and her husband have very few options saying that because they face 40 years in prison, theyay desperately needo cut a plea deal, but the best-case scenario could be maybe 21-27 months in prison, although experts also say the final decision is up to a judge. her friends reportedly say until

the actress, recently she believed she would end up getting a slap on the wrist. she does not think that anymore. >> tucker: trace gallagher. there something about that stor story. it's a lot of things, but one of them is amusing, i have to say. thank you for that. every year college costs more. you know if you have kids or grandkids going. students graduate with bigger amounts of debt. so much that it's distorting the entire u.s. economy. a lot of kids are struggling to buy homes or start families well into their 30s. many are living at home because of the debt they face. and yet some people, a small groupat are getting very rich fm this set up. what's interesting is that does not include a lot of the people who actually do the teaching and colleges. whether you like them or not. at many schools, many classes are now taught increasingly so by adjunct faculty. if they receive low pay and little to no benefits. many moonlight as drivers or waiters to pay the bills.

in other words, college administrators are the lords here in the faculty are mere serfs. jason nichols as a professor of african-american studies at the university of maryland, a frequente guest, we always debe politics but he seemed like someone who might be worth talking to about this because it's an interestingne fact. professor, thanks a lot for coming on to expand this to us. we both agreed that a huge amount of money, a lot of tax dollars too are flowing into american universities. some kids are benefiting but a lot aren't. they are being crushed by students. debt. and yet it looks like a lot of people teaching the courses aren't benefiting either, so who is getting rich from this arrangement? >> i would say in many cases if the banks that actually lend people money to go to college. oftentimes when you're looking to trace money and who's making money, it's usually the banks. and of course at some universities it may be the football coach. it may be the president of the university. there are lots of people who get paid lots of money and they do their job, they do it well,

hopefully. some universities they don't do it so well but either way they get paid a lot. but you have a lot of adjunct faculty. people who have gone to school for eight, ten, 15 years in some cases in order to get a doctorate because they are passionate about teaching, and they are actually part of the working class and some of them are even impoverished. they are sitting there just to make ends meet and doing real estate or mowing lawns or doing whatever they can to make money and this is actually really problematic and it's not good for students and learning. that's one of the biggest problems. >> tucker: that's the problem that i have and i'm pretty hostile to a lot of college professors but have kids in college, most people do, and when you pay 70 grand a year to send youreo kids off, they're k being taught by someone who's not making enough to live, that tells me that the college is not putting any kind of priority on teaching. they don't care. that's the message i'm getting.

am i right? >> i wouldld agree in many ways. i think teaching is something that is undervalued. we put a lot of value on research and in some cases research the people don't read and all of a sudden teaching becomes a secondary aim of the university and have a lot of departments and so i think that is very problematic and also a lot of the people who are working to get a doctorate are also teaching a lot of the courses and you have a lot ofet young people who are being taught by people who don't have much more experience than them and at the same time there are people who are studying to get a doctorate. sometimes don't make it through the program because they're working so much teaching the courses. so there is something that needs to be done. a lot of people have said that we need to unionize grad students. we need to unionize adjunct faculty so people can actually make a living wage off of what

they do, which is so important. >> tucker: it's interesting, i think we disagree on most political questions but are in total agreement on this. this is not sustainable. it's a scam, obviously. thank you very much for coming out tonight. >> thanks a lot, thank you for having me. >> tucker: at least one democratic president or candidate has just come out and set it. if elected i will put law-abiding gun owners in priso prison. is that a winning message? we will tell you after the break. plus, dean cain, tonight on the set in los angeles. that's ahead. ♪

>> tucker: you may have figured out the show was in los angeles this week. it's a continental country, we want to see both sides. anyway, we are here in l.a., the other day we passed through a town south of here, laguna beach california and we were surprisen that the local cop cars there were decorated with a logo that features the american flag. that should not surprise us

because this is, after all, america. even its westward outpost, it still america but it did surprise us, surprised that anyone can get away with supporting america in 2019 and it turns out we were right to be surprised. the good of each police are now under attack for using the flag. why would that be controversial? let an actual laguna beach city council minutes whensi problem. >> unfortunately this has devolved into a debate about what the flag means. what is the symbolism of the flag, and our people in laguna beach, as well as elsewhere for staying with the flag is hostile. it's intimidating, it's threatening and that it's a symbol of racism. >> tucker: hostile, threatening, racist. your flight, of course is none of those things. this is all projection. if the left that despises the american flag. they despise it because america is a country inhabited by

americans rather than a hodgepodge of other cultures united by only economic interests. that's their vision. if americans remember that it's an actual country and not just some massive private equity scheme they might expect their politicians to focus on the best interest of americans, the people who live in the country, but focusing on americans would threaten the hegemony of the democratic party, so there could be none of this country or sovereignty talk, the flag must go. even in little laguna beach california. as we told you at the top of the show, democratic presidential candidate eric swalwell committed an almost unprecedented act of honesty recently when he talked about guns. he didn't talk about background checks or barrel shrouds, he was former blonde. he said we are banning semiautomatic rifles, if i'm eresident, we are going to take them from their owners by force, and anyone who refuses to comply goes to jail. that's the program.

quinton james is cofounder of the collective pack, pretty familiar with democratic politics and joins us tonight. thanks so much for coming on. we fed them on the show a bunch of different times about russia. we've never had him on about guns, he won't come on. i'm interested in your take on this.an i don't think i misunderstanding it, in fact, i'm not. what he's saying is anybody who possesses a legal product and it will soon be a felon when he makes the product illegal and without committing any act of violence, that person can be imprisoned. that sounds like mass oucarceration to me. i would think you would be against it. >> thanks for having me. obviously again you do have it a little wrong. congressman did say he wants to ban military style assault rifles. he also said that folks want to keep them would be able to do so at a gun club or a hunters range in a locker, so it's not taking them by force. it would be a buyback program. this is his proposal, not mine.

>> tucker: i know it's not your proposal, but he just said, he said twice come he actually wrote an op-ed saying it and he just set it on cnn, people who don't give up their guns will go to jail. he just said that. so it's not a buyback program. that's a gun confiscation by force. >> people who don't follow the law will be prosecuted. what the charges are -- >> tucker: with the law is you can have the gun in your home. >> correct. >> tucker: he couldn't be clearer. we can't debate what he's saying. you're mischaracterizing it. i just played the clip. let's debate the proposal itself. >> correct, but there are pieces of it that you are not talking about that are really important. and listen, the majority of americans agree that we need to fix our broken gun law system. we have a broken system here for folks -- >> tucker: it's just banal. >> but it's about the problem

here. of gun control. what's a frustrating discussing the issue? >> tucker: it's really simple. here's a democratic presidential candidate who was offering a very specific solution, which you are ignoring because it's embarrassing. >> i'm not. i'm not. >> tucker: yes i support putting people in prison if they don't give up their guns or don't support it. >> i support an assault weapons ban. >> tucker: if they don't give up their guns. >> if people want to break the law, whatever the punishment of the crimes are, they should definitely deal with it. i do agree with that, yes. >> tucker: you guys are reckless. >> we've already had an assault weapons ban on the country for ten years. we've already done it. >> tucker: if i have a firearm in my house and i'm posing no threat of not giving up. most americans wouldn't and you that. >> keep your pistols, keepers outcomes. this is about military style weapons and getting them off of our streets.

>> tucker: you're scaring people to talk like this. you're scaring me. >> we all want to be able to defend ourselves. >> tucker: you want total power and you know that. >> this is not about total power. this is about saving people's lives. all of your viewers, i would hate for them to be able -- what i want for them is to be able to go to church -- not worry about some crazed deranged person. >> tucker: we are out of time. thank you very much. i appreciate it. tiger woods is the champ once again. he just won the masters. an amazing story, for once the country is united in joy but this guy won. why aren't more sports stories like that? we will ask that question with one of our favorite guests after the break. ♪

♪ >> tucker: pretty amazing moment in golf, and really in america the other day. a thrilling come-from-behind victory, tiger woods wins his fifth masters the other day after 11 years. everyone who saw it was excited. for a moment america seemed united in cheering on a legend. sports used to be like that all the time. now, whether it's the national anthem or the voting preferences of athletes, as if we should care, sports divide us, too often. how can we get back to where we were? jason whitlock cohosts fox sports 1 speak for yourself. it's a lot for coming on. i'm a nonexpert on this question

of golf or tiger woods or whatever but i saw this and thought there's something great about this. why did everybody feel that way about this? >> america loves a comeback story and america loves a story that's about family and tiger woods and his dad had a special bond, that that's where tiger's support started. at what tiger represented in 1997 when he won his first masters and the iconic hug with his father after winning the masters at 21, and then his dad has passed, that was a tragedy for tiger. i beasley what happened in thanksgiving 2009 with his wife and tiger's image blowing up in his face, that was a a tragedy, and then all the injuries that tiger has had. he got an addiction to painkillers. tiger has become a comeback story and an underdog. tiger woods didn't think he would ever play at a high level again. for a while he thought he might never play again and then to see him return to the greatest golf

event america has entered win into win against a group of young guys that basically he story., it's the rocky >> tucker: as someone who covers sports for living, just give us two sentences of perspective, how remarkable is it as a sports achievement? >> it's right there with the miracle on ice in terms of the hockey and us beating the soviet union in hockey and it's right there in terms of a feel-good story. when muhammad ali left the torch at thehe atlanta olympics, that was a great, wonderful story and kind of the bow on muhammad ali's career. this kind of feels like even though i'm sure tiger's going to be in competition for more major tournaments, but this kind of cofeels like the bow to tiger woods' career and it's a great -- it's like a movie. >> tucker: i agree completely. here's the obvious question. if i'm looking at sports as a business and you cover the business of sports a lot, i want a lot more moments like this and

i want a lot fewer moments about the national anthem -- i want politics out of my sports. >> sports, traditionally, overwhelmingly have been a platform that bringor us togethr despite our differences and over the last five years, we've turned sports into a platform where we are debating our differences and that's been inappropriate and quite frankly it's been bad business. because at the end of the day, all the stories from golf to football, they are just television shows and they are way off script trying to have these political debates. this is the place for political debates. you don't have a golf club, you're not throwing the football. everybody's expectations -- there's going to be a political -- there's going to be disagreement. >> tucker: i can't throw football, that's why i'm hosting a talk t show. >> when we go to a football stadium, a basketball arena, a golf course, that's not our expectation, i'm going to get in a big disagreement with people.

no, we are there to watch at least two things we can only dream of a doing. we are there to be entertained and we are there -- you may be a right wing person, this may be a left-wing person but we both love tiger woods, we both love football. this is the way we bond. >> tucker: i got to believe that most professional athletes feel the same way. they agree with you and me no matter where they are -- >> most common of question. >> tucker: so who was pushing sports off into this territory that's divisive? >> i come back to the same people of the time. it's silicon valley, it's the tech companies, its social media. they flicked all these athletes on their social media brand and they are more caught up in their social media brand than their brand as great athletes. our brains have been hacked and all these athletes, many of them, not tiger woods, but many of them. a football, basketball, other sports, they are addicted to their cell phones, they are addicted to social media, they want to be popular there and toe way to be popular there is to be

polarizing and divisive. >> tucker: i agree with it completely. last question, if you were coaching a professional sports franchise -- >> that's tough. if i were running one. if i were running one i would put inin my contract that my athletes not be involved with social media. the team will have twitter feeds. the team will have instagram accounts but as an athlete, we don't want you involved in that at all. >> tucker: wow. is anyone doing that? >> no. no. people want to. i think n it was just last week, bob iger at disney spoke against silicon valley and the tech companies. i think people are finally waking up. >> tucker: is destroying our company. you've been one of the people saying that for the longest time. jason whitlock,e great to see you. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: well, they are coming after one of the country's top podcasts for not adequately toeing a liberal line. tell you what they're saying after the break. plus bernie sanders the

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♪ uc>> tucker: joe rogan is a comedian and television figure and host of a podcast called "the drogue and experience." you may not know it but it's a big deal. one of the most dominated podcast in the world. suddenly, some big critics on the left. media matters, a character assassination on the left, went after rogan. their complaint? too many men on his program. it doesn't p matter that it's hs program, doesn't matter that has fans are happy with this program, more people listen to joe rogan then watching anything on cnn or msnbc. me. media matters is setting a

morning. joe rogan has better listen to them or they will crush them. they will take a shower away. if you ask media matters, they will say that he does not care about diversity. the truth is exactly the opposite. rogan is popular because he welcomes a diversity of opinion, left right, everyone in between, milo yiannopoulos, elon musk, alex jones, if you have something, interesting to say, rogan and his fans want to hear it. for the speech police on the left, that is terrifying because they don't control it. it shouldn't exist at all. why tolerate freedom when you could have power instead? stay strong, joe rogan. during his fox town hall last night, bernie sanders at his position on abortion is pretty clear. it should be legal without any restriction at all up until the moment of birth. >> a with regard to abortion, do you believe that a woman should be able to terminate a pregnancy up until the moment of birth? >> if that happens, very, very rarely, and i think this is being made into a political

issue. the decision over abortion belongs to a woman and a physician, not the federal government, not the state government. >> tucker: so ten years ago, that would be considered an extreme position. today, it is the moderate position in the democratic party. some are defending infanticide flat out. safe, legal, rare. that is not at all the positions today. it could be very infrequent ands horrifying. dean cain started in a movie called "god's now," president trump screened it at the white house. thank you very much for comingk on. omi think of you as having a pretty traditional liberal view of abortion, never been advocating for overturning roe vs. wade or anything. are you surprised by how much the goalposts have moved in the last couple of years? speak it was shocking. to be talking about abortions? n demand, he says it's rare, how rare?

how many babies that are viable should be murdered, senator sanders? 100? >> tucker: if i said, this guy got the death penalty, didn't do it, he was executed. i would say, don't politicize it. >> abortion being a hot-button issue is not new. it's been that way for a long time. for him to say we are politicizing it, it's insane. >> tucker: it should be political. should we allow this in our country? it's political. >> that's why it's been talked about forever. this new stance and so extreme, frightening. up to the moment of birth, and that is abortion on demand anytime anywhere for any reason. i'm a pro-choice -- if i were to be a legislator, i would legislate pro-choice, 20 weeks, 21 weeks, i do want it to be

rare. personally, i am pro-life. but it is shocking to me that someone would advocate for allowing it up until that moment of birth. kermit gosnell did that. he had live births and then he killed the children. he could have just given them comfort care until he passed away, like governor northam suggested. he actually went out and he snapped their spinal cords and that's why he's in jailct forev. >> tucker: i this change your views on the subject. >> i did. it made me less apt to be -- not that i was a fan -- but the staff to be accepting. i want to push against it more and more because i believe -- i've seen too many incidents of 24, 26 weeks babies born, and they are viable, and they live have become a wonderful lives. >> tucker: they are people. >> that's the thing that gets lost. it's not about the woman. senator sanders says it's about the woman and her health care,to but it a certain point -- at ont

allied? that is the question. >> tucker: last question, i'm not advocating for a point of view but do you think we will have actual conversations, adult conversations? >> i hope and pray that we do, and we need to, where it's atwe right now, his position, it cannot be mainstream,, cannot be -- i don't think america is ready to elect someone who is ready to say abortion on demand, any time. i don't see it happening. his fee agree with that. most people, no matter where they are, what find that repugnant. dean cain, one of the great pleasure is out to the west coast to see me in person. >> thank you, pleasure. >> tucker: wish we were staying. we'll be back tomorrow from los angeles. not to brag or anything. we'll be back at 8:00 p.m. tomorrow night eastern, this tremendous is the sworn enemy of lying come up and possibly become a smugness, and groupthink. the e.r. at if you are an advand degree in electrical engineering. you will be capable of doing that. otherwise tuning.

tomorrow night, 8:00 p.m. eastern, 5:00 p.m. pacific. but is it for us. we have good news for you. following this program promptly at 9:00 p.m. eastern time tonight from new york city, the financial capital of this country, a man called the sean hannity will be taking over. >> sean: are you really on los angeles? >> tucker: [laughs] i really am. >> sean: i have a dinner idea for you. have you eaten yet? >> tucker: no. >> sean: in-n-out burger. >> tucker: in-n-out burger? >> sean: eat it with lettuce instead of the barn and put a lot of animals. call it animal style. you have to know the code. best burger. >> tucker: i -- is the shake, is thatur approved? >> sean: just go eat it. enjoy it for you tell me tomorrow. >> tucker: [laughs] i will. i will text you tonight. thank you, sean. >> sean: welcome to "hannity." buckle up. busy night tonight by the di