this week. a big week. we'll see you back here monday and one from erica's newsroom. meanwhile, "outnumbered" start now. >> dagen: this is a fox news alert, new reaction from president trump and fallout over the release of the redacted mueller report as his legal team claims victory after the former special counsel did not find sufficient evidence to bring any charges relating to collusion between his campaign and russia. and the president telling supporters, game over. now it's back to work. this is "outnumbered," i'm kennedy. here today, fox business network anchor dagen mcdowell is here along with fox news contributor lisa boothe. fox news contributor and correspondent, kat timpf is with us. joining us on the couch, the host of "bulls and bears" on the fox business network, well represented today, it is david asman. he's "outnumbered." nice to see you. >> david: nice to be here. >> kennedy: this is a very important day as we digest the mueller report. the president today doubling down on his criticism of that

probe after yesterday declaring game over the head of the release of the report, saying there was no collusion. there was no obstruction. now the president taking a mother reports content, tweeting, "statements are made about me by certain people in the crazy mueller report, in itself written by 18 angry democrat trump haters, which are fabricated and totally untrue. watch out for people that take a so-called "notes" when the notes never existed until needed. because i never agreed to testify. it was not necessary for me to respond to statements made in the "report" about me, some of which are total b.s., and only given to make the other person look good and for me to look bad." the white house today saying that mueller's team was not able to find wrongdoing despite a massive effort. watch. >> 2,800 subpoenas, 500 witnesses, 500 500 warrants. 40 fbi agents, 19 attorneys, a

partridge and a pear tree. we now know exactly what the president has been saying was 100% true. there is no collusion, no obstruction, complete and total exoneration. and the poor american people were lied to for two plus years by the mainstream media, and someone has to answer for that. >> kennedy: and the president's attorney, rudy giuliani, saying the president was treated unfairly. >> the presumption of incidents -- it's not a joke in this case he really was innocent. he certainly should be presumed innocent. he doesn't his innocence. how can you prove a negative question we were very fortunate in the collusion situation pray that it's so crazy, so nutty, made up, and that better be investigated. this didn't come out of thin air. >> kennedy: so, depending on what side of the aisle you are on, you're going to read the report very differently. we knew that from the get-go. obviously the president and his team are focusing on the collusion aspect, and democrats are focusing on obstruction. rudy giuliani, one of the people in the president's legal team

who convinced him not to sit for an interview with special counsel -- was at the right move? >> david: of course, it was exactly the right move. rudy taking the legal side of this focuses on what andy mccarthy justifiably says, which is that this started out not as a criminal investigation. it was a counterterrorism operation originally. at operation against the russians. not necessarily -- there was no crime to begin with. therefore, it was a hunt for a crime. the president called it a witch hunt. but it certainly was a hunt for a crime and that's what the mueller report seems to document. they look for where was the crime? we are supposed to start with a crime and then find evidence that either approves or disapproves that this person was responsible for that crime. but it didn't. the president clearly is furious about having been accused of something he did not do. that is one thing that the mueller report was absolute on. there was no intentional collusion between anybody in the trump administration and the

russians. that, he was absolutely cleared of, and time after time, for two and a half years, everybody in the democrat party and 98% of the media was saying that this is -- he is furious about that and i think most americans, it does appeal to their core 11 gets angry about being unjustifiably accused of something. >> kennedy: it does appeal to that sense of justice, that longing we have. that's what the president's team would wisely focus on if they will continue focusing on this. maybe they should just move on. however, it's impossible for congress to do that because the way the report is laid out, there's 182 pages dedicated to obstruction. it seems as though special counsel abdicated their responsibility to either prosecute or decline and almost left that up to congress, sort of extending the process. was that intentional? was it cool? it certainly seems like it's nice to president trump him he's

getting the jim comey treatment. what he did to hillary clinton. ultimately, former federal prosecutors look into mccarthy saying that this is not the way it's supposed to be done. if you can't find enough evidence of a crime committed to indict, you leave it alone. he didn't. andy mccarthy q. some of a smear, even worse, flooding the constitution. this is inarguably unfair to president trump. on a legal matter, this is over for president trump on both the collusion front and the obstruction of justice front. he is obviously going to face summer attribution for democrats on these issues. he was going to anyways, even before the report came up. the oversight committee issued document requests to 81 individuals. we knew that democrats would let us go. to be honest, president trump will keep pushing this angle come too. especially the origins. what you have coming? the inspector general report coming up. fisa abuse. and attorney general barr is already looking into the origins of the investigation, spying and things of that nature.

>> kennedy: the president has said, investigating the investigators. we have had a full day to digest the report. where is the president cleared and where is he in trouble based on that digestion? >> dagen: you've already touched on volume two, the obstruction of justice. which we will get into further detail later on in the show on that. coming as someone who carries a grudge, i saw the name of a kid from second grace demott grade written all over the paper. >> lisa: i'm not crossing anyone on this couch. [laughs] >> dagen: i don't expect president trump to stop ranting and raving and wailing about this on twitter any time he's in front of a microphone. i think the anger is very clear on the volume two of the mueller report of the obstruction issue. you mentioned rudy giuliani, one of the individual to major the president didn't sit down with an interview with the meal or team. process crimes is what they get

you on her lying to federal investigators, a felony. the mueller report says the president's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the president declined it to carry out orders or seed to his request." it was don mcgahn in multiple instances, refusing to dismiss bob mueller. corey lewandowski didn't deliver the message to jeff sessions, about only investigating future election meddling. i could go on. according to the president's legal team the question now is just the president still have around him people who will protect him from himself? who will push back against his worst instincts? >> kennedy: that's with a good point. you assume that a lot of these people who are listed in this report, as pushing back against the president, you would assume a lot of them were yes men and women. but apparently that's not the case. what does that say about the

process and the system around the president, and sort of the unspoken rule that a push back and don't always give in to the crazy? >> kat: i think that's a great thing. it's very dangerous for anyone to have only yes men around them. the thing about this report is the way that the president is responding you would think that it was, you know, completely flattering. it was not. there were a lot of people in the white house doing some things they shouldn't have been doing. however, the media and democrats did trump and the white house the biggest favor they possibly could have done by the way that they covered this. do you remember, david? they were saying treason, traitor. >> david: they are still saying it. >> kat: but they made it seem so extreme that he was actually an agent of the russian government. so if you are saying that -- >> kennedy: and a month ago when he was on his book tour he said it's very possible that the president is a russian asset. >> kat: if you have the bar being set at that level, this comes out looking like the

teeniest, tiniest potatoes in the world. i'm talking very little potatoes. i think people would be more likely to be more critical of the negative things that were in the report had they not set the bar -- >> lisa: i don't think for a second that if president trump wanted to fire mueller he would have done it. that's the whole point of having council around you, and advisors, to advise you. and also appeal to your better angels. president trump has had no problem firing anyone. he legit fired james comey. >> dagen: i'm not talking about that. let me finish. don mcgahn refused to -- can i'm just please speak was not don mcgahn refused to talk about his recollection surrounding the president's direction to have a special counsel removed despite the president's multiple demands ofe juicy see. that's one of the things i was talking about. the president said, "you need to re-remember what was discussed." that didn't happen.

he was routed by people who protected him and prevented him from getting into trouble. >> lisa: and he let him sit down for 30 hours. >> david: dana perino was talking, even mild-mannered gw, bush, needed to have pushback from his staff. dennis said there was a 3-question rule. if he asks three questions, the president of the third time he would follow what he asked and follow up on it. just to your point, kat, but the obsession continuing even pass the mueller report, "the new york times" calls michelle goldberg, writing today that we continue to under react to our governments transmission in a --" >> kat: if that's an under reaction, i would hate to see what an overreaction or regular reaction is. >> kennedy: that's how the narratives is categorizing it, yet he won't called nicolas maduro dictated. he's actually loading over an actual one. he mocked ms lupe joe biden -- we are learning the former

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>> we need the entire report, unredacted, and the underlying documents, in order to make informed decisions. after we get that, then we will subpoena that entire report today. >> that is coming today? speak a little in the next couple of hours. >> including the grand jury evidence? >> yes. >> dagen: house judiciary chairman jerry nadler making good on his promises money, fighting off a subpoena a short time ago for the full mueller report. democrats say the redacted report shows evidence that the president tried to obstruct the russia investigation and they are slamming attorney general bill barr over his summary of mueller's findings. >> the attorney general did a great disservice to the country by misrepresenting significant parts of the mueller report. by attempting to put a positive spin for the president on the special counsel's findings. when the attorney general gives the perception of the president fully cooperated in the investigation when he didn't, that they provided all the information materials when they didn't. when the president in fact

deprived the special counsel of perhaps the single most important piece of evidence, that's his verbal testimony. that misleads the american people. >> dagen: meantime, know that the rejected mueller report's outcome of progressive democratic congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez says she would support a resolution to impeach president trump. house speaker nancy pelosi and majority leader steny hoyer have rejected calls to go that route. yesterday, telling cnn, "based on what we have seen today going forward on impeachment, it's not worthwhile at this point. very frankly, there is an election in 18 months and the american people will make a judgment." but how democratic congressman john byers suggesting the mueller report could reopen impeachment talks. >> you think i could reopen that possibility? >> i think so. speaker pelosi, i very much respect, says "let's not distract ourselves from the

important work, fixing health care, bringing down drug prices, cleaning up the ethical messes." i still want to do that. but there may be stuff, especially if we dig down, that makes it so compelling we don't have any choice. >> dagen: david, this is the tug-of-war that is in the democratic party. it's already front and center, whether to move ahead with impeachment or to not. i would defer to nancy pelosi, as my father would say, "she'll cut ya!" [laughs] >> david: trees the ground up in the room. i get the sense that even though, in the end, she will never go the in peach mint route , she looks have little talks about keeping it in the news to keep the anti-term, the really violently anti-trump wing of thy come alive and well. the price for hypocrisy, i think, has to go to jerry nadler come up and threw my congressman, badly. nothing personal, jerry. but in 1998, you said that the reports -- speaking about the

starr report, use of the report supporting documentation must be kept secret. he said he wanted the starr report to be kept secret. because of the fact that statements that may or may not be true by various witnesses would be unfair to release. he also favored, by the way, giving crichton donna clinton the opportunity to see the report before congress did. now he is saying the opposite about this report. why? he's got to fess up. >> kat: because a political convenience. i think a lot of people out there may have wasted their time even reading what was out there, because they already knew what they felt before they read it. if they were on the right, they were going to stick to the no collusion, no obstruction. on the left, they would try to find something to matter how small to focus on that. we already have the report. yes, it's rejected, but i don't know what some of the people on the left are expecting to see those redactions. "president trump was actually paying putin to be his campaign manager." [laughter] what are they thinking they

must? everything that's not there isn't there for a reason. i'm glad to get a seat because i'm all for transparency, but they are grasping at straws here at this point. >> dagen: some of the democrats are, with respect to pigs, like truffle-sniffing pigs when it comes to a microphone. [laughter] they have to have something to say when they get in front of a microphone prince of is it for now. >> kennedy: that is a bad and misguided way to spend their energy. there are a lot of people in this country to hunt for the economic benefit from my economy is doing very well. democrats would be much wiser to piggyback on top of this. but instead they will talk about the report as though there were obstruction charges. although there are things within it that are a road map to impeachment pair that's not necessarily so. with this president you're to be very careful. nancy pelosi and steny hoyer understand. it's not because they don't like them or that they want them to be reelected, but in impeachment and a full thrust in that direction will only help the

president and ensure his reelection. >> kat: not only is it trumped arrangement, that there was no collusion found and no obstruction and your response is, "yes, impeach him!" it's hilarious! what are you talking about customer [laughter] >> lisa: they've been around the block. they understand politics and how the game is played. they also understand that the democratic majority in the house runs through congressional districts, that lean in republican districts. democrats currently hold. they are going to be up for reelection again and she what want to force the retake that food. not only that, in light of the dead road on the conviction front in the senate because republicans hold the majority there. also, look at, the horse is officially dead. stop beating it. we've got an intel report that can run 2017, two congressional investigations, we've got a special counsel investigation, costing americans 30 something million dollars, 500 witnesses, subpoenas, the horses dead. leave it alone.

>> kat: impeachment could be good if they tried. as mentioned, it would never make it through the senate. and it would make him a more some pathetic figure. >> kennedy: you got 18 months into the election bear lets he gear up with impeachment. when that ends and the senate votes not to convict the president, that's a perfect sweet spot. >> dagen: congressman debbie dingell, or interview this morning, and even rowe, who was on the news channel earlier, they were saying let's talk abot health care and getting prescription drug prices. when you look in impeachment. even i have my own evidence of collusion shift said a field impeachment -- and this is a partial quote -- a field impeachment is not in the national interest. he's going to be on fox news sunday with chris wallace. even adam schiff is using that language. if they know they won't get that two-thirds in the senate, they

want -- >> david: we are coming up to half year of the money congress and they have zero in terms of legislation to show for it. they've got to come to the electorate with something. they lost the collusion battle so they can't lose that. they may have something else with regard to health care because they did use that to some effect in 2018. but they have to show some legislative victories and that means some kind of cooperation with the president. nancy pelosi understands that, steny hoyer, they know that when it comes time to get reelected you have to have something to show for it. by the way, redactions -- "the wall street journal" but together and show all the various pages of the mueller report. yes, there were redactions in the beginning with the collusion charge, but the second part dealing with obstruction of justice didn't have many reductions at all. >> kat: there are reasons, it isn't a mystery why they are rejected. >> dagen: what do you make the unbridled outrage toward attorney general bill barr that we certainly saw in the media

yesterday? i was talking to robert ray, who worked on the whitewater investigation after ken starr did. he said the argument that the attorney general varied from fair characterization of what bob mueller did, that notion is completely ridiculous. he knew the whole report was going to come out. he said people are going to remember that the way this man is being disparaged, because you would be disciplined if you attacked a federal judge this way. >> kennedy: this was so clearly democratic talking point, and that's why the candidates parroted it. i don't understand -- the only thing that you can say is they were looking for something very clear and demonstrative to hang their hats on in order to impeach or at least reputation of the tar the president beyond repair. when they didn't have that one big thing, the next thing was to go after the ag. by don't think that's going to stick, either.

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>> the attorney general can represent the united states or he can be donald trump's defense attorney. he can't be both. he mischaracterized the mueller report. he is seeking to help donald trump. he should resign. we need an attorney general who has credibility with the american people. more importantly, this report lays out glaring vulnerabilities in our democracy. >> kennedy: oh, to be vague and underinformed. congressman eric swalwell, one of many 2020 democratic presidential candidates, slamming the handling of the mueller report by liam barr. saying it is not what the president of the hook. senator kamala harris tweeting, "barr is acting more like a defense attorney than the attorney general. his press conference was a stunt filled with political spin and propaganda. americans deserve the unvarnished truth." we need special counsel merely to testify publicly, in congress." bernie sanders releasing a statement saying, "it is clear

that donald trump wanted nothing more to then shut down the new investigation." that's what he said in his statement. we have more detail from today's report, congress must finish its investigation into his conduct in any foreign attempt to influence our elections." this is senators worn angela brd may be 10 my petitions to release the full report. you have to stand out from the pack if you want to be president. a lot of these people would be wise to focus on something like cybersecurity and making sure the next election isn't penetrated by the russians. >> david: swalwell, i've got to point out, he's the guy who defied martha maccallum on her show to mention one thing in the trump dossier that was fake. remember that? "tell me one thing that's fake." and she couldn't believe it. she said, "are you kidding questioner" the second part that the report did was totally take the rug out from under the

credibility, in particular, the awful trump tape that we won't mention the details about. >> kat: please, no. >> david: wears his contrition? where is the contrition of all these people who set all these terrible things that turned out in the mueller report not to be true? this is the holy week where you're supposed to confess. i don't hear many confessions. >> kat: they have each other to boost each other up and they tell them what they want to hear. if there is someone hoping there was this big bombshell they were trying to make it out to be. >> kennedy: what's really funny about this and they are all saying the same thing. one who thinks they they are taking issues with as they had picked attorney general. i don't know how else people are going to pick an attorney general. it's going to be in a middle school lottery? is out of a bingo chute? how will you pick one if you don't handpick them? >> kat: rock, paper, scissors. >> kennedy: other than a wing man? >> david: or robert kennedy, the brother of the president.

>> kennedy: exactly. >> dagen: i want to point out, that bernie sanders said in the fox news ten hall that democrats woman on attacking trump. if you hear one of these democratic contenders and these individuals talking about the mueller report next week in the week after, its desperation. we know that is the world's worst clown. i will close from the movie "broadcast news, close to what albert brooks 'character. "wouldn't this be a wonderful world if that made us more attractive?" it's not. whether you are running for office or dating. >> kennedy: where do candidates go from here, how we move on from this customer to they have any desire? >> lisa: it's never ending so they won't move on. you are right in the sense that you have twentysomething candidates on the stage and they are saying different things. how do you differentiate them? they are all saying the same thing because he's a democrat

talking points they are making. one point about attorney general barr, he did not have to release a report that he did yesterday. he didn't have to release it in depth. the regulations don't force them to do that. ultimately what he could have done is just left it at that brief summary that he initially released. he didn't have a give a profit dog press conference or asking any questions. so the smearing and touring of him is utterly ridiculous. i don't think it will help them. >> david: can i just say, it was democrats who -- i audy mentioned jerry nadler -- but it was the whole democratic party that put in the regulations make for an attorney general to come out with documents. he is defining their own rules about releasing this report. >> kennedy: i want to bring up something in terms of these 2020 candidates. if there is the possibility that the deep state exists and it is so politicized, and at the president's disposal, shouldn't all of the people running for

president as democrats want an investigation? to make sure what happened in 2016 doesn't happen in 2020? >> kat: they absolutely should want that. but for many of them this is all just political. not only is it political, it's not really politically smart for them to keep talking about the mueller report. i think that most americans don't think about it as much as we do. we have to come it's our job. we have to talk about it and think about it. i don't think most markets make up of the morning saying, "gee, i wonder what bob mueller is doing today," for the past couple years. if you were, that is sad. just to let you know pre[laughter] should have other things in your life. they should focus on the economy, health care. focus on issues that do affect people in their day-to-day lives. and stop politicizing things that shouldn't be political. we should all on the integrity of our elections to be upheld and it should be about that, not about taking down a guy that you don't like for the sake of taking him down. >> dagen: every american should be breathing a sigh of relief that there was no collusion. >> kat: everyone should be celebrating that. the fact that our elections --

>> dagen: and our backsides should all be chapped by the fact that russia was allowed to try and interfere in our election. and where was the justice department under president obama? where was the fbi? where was the entire intelligence community? they were worried about the counterintelligence investigation into the term campaign. >> kennedy: and why were they not warning event-candidate trump? you have to act like russia trying to meddle in our fears in the united states is just not truthful. they are always trying to meddle. they are turning to meddle with us as a country. so the idea that they presented this as some sort new concept is intellectually dishonest. >> kennedy: it's not new, and guess what? republicans ramping up their efforts to discover the origins of the russia probe, and now that the rejected mueller report's out, they are on it. they will find out whether the investigators are out to get the president. is this a political push that could turn off voters? after the break. stay with us. >> there was no there there, but here's what's important. we have to find out -- the

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referrals related to the russia investigation, also blessing the mueller report for overlooking the way the fbi conducted increase in the president trump and his 2016 campaign. here is judiciary member doug holland on what comes next >> the mueller report now has shown there was no collusion, no objection. let's look at what comes next. for those of us who have been releasing transcripts, we look at the investigation coming forward. the horwitz inspector general report will be out in less than two months. i believe it'll show various problems with our >> david: can coordinate was abused. how they can use it to their own political gain. >> dagen: meanwhile, their fund-raising off the mueller investigation, releasing this message to supporters. ♪ >> it was a false narrative, a terrible thing.

we can never let this happen to another president again. ♪ >> dagen: lisa, you mentioned the steps that will be taken, are being taken, by the inspector general horwitz looking into the origins of this investigation in 2016. and also, what attorney general bill barr is going to be doing, looking into -- was there any basis or predicate for the spying? what say you? >> lisa: question at all. i wonder at what point he knew there was no collusion and why the investigation went past that point. i question the origins of the investigation to begin with. they say it started with papadopoulos and his conversation with alexander downer. but they met with christopher steele, and he had already been employed by fusion gps and started working on the dusty. look at the actions of one man alone. james comey, as the head of the fbi. this is a guy who met privately with president trump to brief him on the dossier.

that meeting leaked and gave cnn and buzzfeed the opportunity to run with the dossier. he also said that he leaked his own memos to spur special counsel investigation against president trump. i question all of it and i sincerely think we need to get to the bottom of it. >> dagen: will be, david? >> david: i think so. he brought up a great point, which is that it's probably one reason why they are attacking bar now, they are afraid that he might dig up as a result of investigating all this. while mueller gets a lot of credit for having led the investigation and puts people in jail, 25 fbi and doj employees were either fired, resigned, or demoted as a result of all of the stuff that went on leading up to the election. so, 25 individuals fired, resigned, or demoted. that is something that has to be looked at as well. if you're going to look at his success record, you've got to look at what has happened just

so far, even without a full-blown investigation into the fbi and doj. >> dagen: i want to quote from this op-ed really quickly today, because she has been sober i've been so aggressive in reporting this. she says, "let's note what isn't in the report. he makes only passing bland references to the genesis of so many of the accusations mr. mueller probe, including the infamous dossier produced by fusion gps, paid for by the hillary clinton campaign." she goes on and then she adds, "a tree's everything the fbi were jim comey did as legitimate. even as it treats everything the president did as suspect. >> kat: we already have evidence that there were some people who were involved in this investigation who are politically motivated. they wanted to get the president. that's not something we wander about, it's something we know. why would she want to know more, knowing that? >> kennedy: here's the thing -- you have given these people a lamborghini and now you are surprised that they've gotten some speeding tickets.

there has been so much power concentrated in the hands of so few in terms of surveillance. and the ability to gather information. and the ability to launch investigations with people like joseph misfit. what were his interactions with the cia and fbi? he was the one who planted the idea of wikileaks having a bunch of hell are clinton's emails and the head of george papadopoulos. so please don't be surprised when the surveillance -- people like devin nunes, they want to make only bigger and enrich even more, that it is somehow abused by corrupt and politicized people who were just too tempted by the amount of power at their disposal. >> david: or go to the top. go to brennan, coach of the head of syria, to clapper, the head intelligence. these people clearly they seem to be part about all this. some of the information about fusion gps was running across their desk, as well. >> kat: we need to look at surveillance programs as a whole. not just because it politically behooves us, but for --

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>> lisa: fox news alert, former vice president joe biden plans to announce his presidential run by video next wednesday. and he tops a new fox news poll showing that 70% of democratic primary voters say they would be satisfied if he wins the nomination. that's three points at a sanders sanders in 17 points ahead of the rest of the pack. the majority of those polled are also saying that they are not concerned about recent controversy over his unwanted touching. karl rove said don't count him out. >> if biden comes out and says

something like, "we're all in this together, i'm a traditional democrat but i'm going to work with republicans, i will serve one term, we will heal the country and turn the page to a new chapter for america," i would be tough. >> lisa: if you are a democrat, why joe biden? >> david: i think it depends on how much you dislike socialism. he says his campaign is going to be "the battle for the soul of america." that at some bananas campaign said. that's pretty smart. socialism is none of the soul of america, but he's also going to say that vulture capitalism is not in the soul. you will be hearing that phrase a lot. vulture capitalism. but neither is socialism. the question is whether americans will buy it from him. we will talk about his age and to allow people he is looking pretty older, but on the other hand he is going to announce it apparently they still haven't decided absolutely. but on the steps of the philadelphia art museum, where rocky was. he's going to be the iraqi comeback fighter.

>> kennedy: humming music >> lisa: on a crowded stage with a 20 something, depend on how many officially run, does he stand out? >> kennedy: is easy to discount his field runs for president but he does stand out and he was vice president for two terms. there are a lot of democrats who very much long for the obama administration. he doesn't have to go that far back to appeal to the coalition that was ripped apart during the trump ascendancy. david is absolutely right. he really just has to ride just to the left of the center line during the primaries, and then he doesn't have to triangulate much further than some of the other people do on the left when it comes to some of the issues that could be big bipartisan wins for someone like joe biden. if he is smart he will turn his age into wisdom. >> kat: experience.

plus, he is just a likable guy. he's not as likable as he thinks he is. [laughter] thinking everybody wants to get their hair sniffed by him. but that didn't bother to many people and i think he has a real shot at the nomination. however, i also think we need to be careful about making too much of an early lead. in the polls, yes, he is leading the polls, but these are mostly polls where the largest share of the ones that where there are no undecided option. the ones where there is an undecided option, he is still in the lead but not by as much as he and the polls where there is not the undecided option. some of it might have to do with name recognition at this point. >> dagen: how many moderates are there? it would be joe biden and then tim ryan, right? that's it. if you look at the actual numbers on democratic voters, have to call themselves liberal progressive but the other half consider themselves to be moderate or even conservative democrats. some people in the party will argue that it's not as far left as you might think. but i will say this, that people who fund these campaigns were

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>> kennedy: think so much to david asman. >> david: it's good friday, we started this holy week with a real miracle. a tragedy, that fire at notre dame, within 24 hours a secular country of france, a very secular country, came up with $800 million to rebuild this cathedral. it shows you the purpose of holy week, to remind us that out of

death comes life and we had a perfect example of it in france. >> kennedy: beautiful. thank you for that, david. great to be with anyone on the couch today. we are back at noon eastern on monday. right now let's check in with julie banderas who is in harris! >> julie: hey, guys prayed thinking very much paid fox's alert, new reaction as the house democrats issue subpoena for the mueller report. let's go >> kennedy: 86. i'm julie banderas in for harris faulkner today. jerry nadler now demanding the justice department turn in that unredacted mueller report. in's underlying evidence by may 1st. the attorney general william barr is scheduled to testify before congress paid the white house meantime today heading back at nadler's move saying democrats have nothing else to talk about. now that the mueller report shows president trump did nothing wrong. watch this. >> jerry nadler is irrelevant in this situation. the american people now know that regardless of what the democrats were saying about the