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targeted for their faith, but will allow the authorities to come in and investigate. >> melissa: benjamin hall is live in london with more. spiegel i'm learning the identity of one of the americans who was killed yesterday. he is 40 years old from denver. he arrived at his hotel with cinnamon grand just hours before the bombing. he had been on a work trip for a publishing firm. his brother saying on social media "he would like to share our grief over the tragic incident." entry link, bombs are still being found as well as a van that you mentioned earlier that exploded when police tried to defuse a bomb inside. a huge 6-foot pipe bomb was found in an airport and a detonator at a bus station. the coordinated bombings that ripped through churches and hotels were carried out by seven suicide bombers from a little-known islamic militant group. until now they have only been known for smaller attacks

against buddhist shrines. they account for less than 10% of the population. a 20 percent are in custody, all of them sri lankan, but because of the coordinated nature of the attacks, officials believe that the group was helped or funded by and clearly inspired by an international terror network, over 30 sri lankans are known to have fought with isis in iraq and syria. there have been warnings about the islamic terrorism in southeast asia. and 30 sri lankans feared that they brought back their expertise. 14 still unaccounted for, among them several other americans as well as british, chinese, japanese, portuguese, and indian. sri lankans present and has given them sweeping wartime powers to arrest and detain suspects and a curfew is in place. intelligence now admitting that they received a tip off ten days ago warning of suicide attacks at christian places of worship. it is not known if they did not act on it, if they ignored it,

but that is the area of investigation. and trying to get help from all of the countries that they can get it from. >> melissa: we will come back to u.s. news warrants. new fallout days after the release of the redacted mueller report as democratic lawmakers appear spit on how to move forward, and just this morning, president trump filing a lawsuit to block a subpoena for information related to his businesses. revealing what is in store as democrats say that they will double down on investigations ahead of the 2020 election. this is "outnumbered," i am melissa francis here today, fox business expert anchor dagen mcdowell, fox news contributor lisa boothe, fox news contributor jessica tarlov, and joining us on the couch, former press secretary for george w. bush. ari fleischer. what a day to have you here, all about messaging in the aftereffect of mueller. every side trying to get their view out. >> ari: it is more than

messaging, this gets back to the issue of donald trump getting elected, a group of americans decided this cannot be. he is not legitimate, we need to resist and boycott his inauguration. this is what it adds up to. >> melissa: let's get into a days after the release of the mueller report, the question on impeachment is dividing the 2020 presidential field, and members of congress as well. senator and presidential candidate elizabeth warren being the first 2020 hopeful to call for impeachment proceedings to begin. tweeting "the severity of this misconduct demands that elected officials from both parties set aside political considerations and do their constitutional duty. if democrats do decide that they want to push for impeachment, it would start with the house leadership. nancy pelosi has called it a divisive issue, not worth pursuing ahead of next year's election, other top democrats state that it depends on what evidence they can produce. here's house judiciary chairman,

committee chairman larry nadler. >> stretching the justice would be impeachable. >> you will go about to see if you can improve it? spiegel we will see where the facts lead us. >> melissa: holding up the report, here is rudy giuliani. >> the president of the united states was an innocent man being charged with something that he did not do. you have to grant that now when they say no proof of underlying crime, there was no obstruction. nothing was denied, and nobody crushed cell phones like hillary data, nobody deleted 33,000 emails like hitler's people did, and nobody bleached the server like hillary did. >> melissa: democrats out this weekend, you saw jerry nadler saying that there is proof, enough proof of obstruction to warrant impeachment when he was pressed, he a grade yes, that was the case. is this a good move? >> ari: [laughs] do it, that is my message to the

democrats, if you morally and legally believed that the president obstructed justice, you have no choice but to proceed, so let them proceed and do this. this is not law, this is not morality, this is a man they do not like and they are accepting as a president, and now that it has come out and showing that there is no collusion, it does not matter, there should have been, they cannot resist, it is terrible government, but i understand left-wing politics. >> melissa: you say about morality, listen to what adam schiff had to say on "fox news sunday" about impeachment and that very thought. let's play that. >> it is a very important decision, we will have a caucus over the next couple of weeks to try to figure out what to that best course is. not for the party, but what is the best for the country? >> melissa: jessica, that feels disingenuous, because not for the party, that's not what we are worried about, we are worried about the state of the country, when you are reaching to find impeachment and you are talking about it being good for

the country, doesn't it kind of undermined the credibility? we think he is a terrible president, but to say that we are doing this for the country, i don't know if that rings true for people? >> it is not disingenuous, it's not just i don't like the guy, laying out the ten or 11 instances of obstruction of justice and made it clear that he was not going to make a decision. he did not believe that it was within the framework for him to make that kind of decision. he was explicit that if there had been no instances of obstruction of justice that he could clear the president, he would have said that. that has been the discussion or the honest discussion of the mueller report all weekend. i did not read at the same way that you did. i think adam schiff is being reasonable and saying that we know it impeachment readings look like for the history, we saw it in the late '90s with bill clinton, and possible

ramifications for both parties in the country more generally, and i need to speak to my caucus. this be a team report gave us a pathway to impeachment. there are now there absolutely correct there. >> melissa: you think you should pursue it? >> jessica: i remain divided as my caucus. i appreciated elizabeth warren making the case, and when she sent out the email, it was not a fund-raising email. she was making a point of principle less someone who has studied the law her entire life that she read the mueller report and looking at the obstruction of justice claims and what he was doing with don mcgann, jeff sessions, corey lewandowski, who did he try to get? >> lisa: elizabeth warren is seeing it lose loss, trying to get some lip with her hot air, let's be clear. >> jessica: let me -- 's before i read most of the mueller report over the weekend, number two, here's what the american people will see. you are going to pursue obstruction of justice when there was no underlying crime, that is problematic, there was a white house that was cooperating fully with the investigation more than 1 million documents,

many staffers voluntarily testifying. you have a president that if you read this volume two, he was rightfully angry, because he was being falsely accused and unable to govern. i think that you ought to be -- >> jessica: you think that is right? >> melissa: this is what the president said about the very topic. >> dagen: that is the way the american people could read it, and nancy pelosi is smart enough to know that. >> melissa: here is what the president had to stay on the very topic of impeachment just moments ago. >> are you worried that your staff is going to go over? >> nobody anticipated that. >> are you worry about impeachment, mr. president ? >> not even a little bit. >> lisa: do i have permission to talk? i don't think that mueller's intended recipient was congress, because it was supposed to go to

william barr, as the attorney general he has discussion over what he shows congress or the rest of the public, he could've left it at a summary and left it at that. i don't think the intended route to say. was congress. i also think the obstruction of justice is not good enough or democrats, they are trying to figure out how to proceed with this, because the evidence it's not strong enough. in politics, as you know, jessica, the cleanest hits are black and white. there's too much gray area with the obstruction of justice aspect, because as was pointed out, president trump can say if i wanted to fire mueller, it would have gotten done, he had no problem firing anyone, and they turned over 1.4 million, documents and the white house counsel, that was him for over 30 hours, they had on fedor aspects to people surrounded with president trump, and submit it answers, i just don't think that it is there with the boneheaded move politically. >> melissa: you can feel the passion all around on the couch.

>> dagen: i think my ire reflects the voters. >> melissa: how does that inform what both sides should do? >> ari: i had a better weekend than dagen mcdowell, i did not spend my weekend reading the report, but let me go back, the lesson to learn here is what the republicans did in 1998 with bill clinton, when the nation realized, that he lied under oath, republicans went too far. we have proof, and everybody admitted it, the white house knew that he lied under oath and admitted it, and republican should have sent to alert the president. democrats need to back off impeachment talk, if they think they should put together a sensor motion, let them try that. but it is like the last two years, it is bad for the country. if they cannot help themselves, they cannot help themselves. proceed down this lonely path and they will have few votes for it, maybe it's moral dilemma small portion of the caucus, three quarters, proceed and let's be done.

>> jessica: i do agree, but i would add to that if this is just about stormy daniels, for instance, that would be what happen with bill clinton, but there is much more to the story, i'm not in impeachment aficionado, but there is a much stronger case for that than there is in 1998. >> melissa: president trump responding to senator met romney after the former nominee criticized the president over the mueller report. senator romney writing "i am sickened at the extent and persuasiveness of dishonesty and misdirection by individuals in the highest office of the land including the president." not the only republican holding the president to account over details on the special counsel's report. senator susan collins and rob portman were also critical, president trump responding directly to senator met romney tweeting "if mitt romney spent the same energy fighting barack obama as he does

donald trump, he could have won the race, may be." and rudy giuliani also firing back, listen. >> stopped the bowl, stop this pious act that you were not trying to dig up dirt on people. >> melissa: attorney, i meant to say, i promoted him. [laughter] >> ari: my take is that the president deserves some criticism to coming close to anything that could involve obstruction, but the criticism should not be the way that mitt romney is doing it, i tweeted that there are three things to be learned here, one, russia is a problem, two, there was no collusion and that is a huge win, three, everybody needs to realize that you do not even come close to obstruction charges with the staff to live. there is room to reflect on that and say that, so people learn lessons coming forward, but mitt romney goes too far.

there was a judicious criticism of the president, they did it wisely. met romney makes me scratch my head and say why do you reserve so much of your energy to criticize their own president, he did not do that to democrats. so i do have objections to how far he goes even when he is a little bit of merit on his side. >> melissa: he is trying to be like i'm a cop on the beat, the republican side against president trump. >> dagen: the opposing peacock, not the president come you saw that in the office that he wrote in "the washington post," maybe he wants to get the boy scout award, but jim comey artie got that one, i don't know what the end game is here, he thinks he is going to push president trump out of office. >> ari: there are effective ways to criticize the president, mitt romney's way is not one of them. >> lisa: i would also say with mitt romney he wants to have president trump on his side when

it is politically advantageous, and whether he wants his endorsement when he is running for senate or he wanted to be the secretary state. so that is why i do not view met romney a positive lens anymore. and i think with the obstruction of justice aspect of it, of this, in fairness to the president will be great for the present and in its entirety, no, the bottom line is that there is no collusion from the obstructive justice aspect, that is done. but you have to take in mind the fact that president trump had a right to have the distrust with the intel committee, and looking at the mere fact that james comey had a private meeting with president trump about the dossier and then immediately leapt to cnn, gave them the hooked around the dossier. so president trump was approaching the entire investigation from a lens of distrust. and rightfully so, to be honest.

>> jessica: i don't tend to side with mitt romney on any of these things, he is trying to fill the jeff flake rule, but this is personal to him about russia, he told barack obama that russia was the number one geopolitical foe, and they wanted their foreign policy bac back. it was deeply personal. >> melissa: where you done? >> jessica: i will give everybody my time. >> dagen: i was now going to disagree with you, i was just going to say we watched rudy giuliani coming here to take a bow, because he said perjury is perjury, lying under oath is lying under oath. they are the ones that prevented the president from giving an interview to the mueller team. >> jessica: you should not be taking a bow for that performance with jake tapper, where he said taking documents from russians is fine. >> ari: rudy giuliani was great in that. >> melissa: we will disagree, apparently. the 2020, democratic presidential candidates believe that the green new deal is not enough. they are getting behind climate change policies that would help fossil full exploration

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presidency as he courts to support moderate democrats, but the former delaware senator has avoided some of the central policy issues of the primaries so far. including medicare for all, the so-called green new deal, and to the mueller report. as we said, joe biden leads the field in the real clear politics poll average at 30%. senator bernie sanders a second at 22.5%. and now former democratic pennsylvania governor ed rendell emerging as a biden backer, telling the "pittsburgh post-gazette" that i have strong belief that donald trump will not be easy to beat, and we need a moderate leftist center democrat to win back the blue-collar democrats in wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, and ohio. he has to beat all the other contenders for the nomination first. can he do it? does he have the chops? >> ari: my gut says "no" it is so early, but he reminds me of

hillary '08. he has a front runner because he is a front runner, but you do not get what you deserve, you get what you earn. and that is new to every election cycle, so i think that joe biden is going to get eclipsed by the us younger, different, more dynamic, more energetic, more today's spirit of the democratic party than the old joe biden. i just don't see it lasting. that's what having hillary, she got surpassed by a young barack obama, somebody is going to do that to joe biden, my bet is that it will be bernie sanders. >> dagen: there is a lot of love to the mayor and his spouse. major social media game with something that joe biden does not have. >> jessica: am very excited to see joe biden get into the race, and personally quite proud of him, i think that he has been great, i love that we have someone running that can say that i am an obama-biden

democrat, and he has half of the tandem that democrats are fond of, what it is important to focus on is where african-american support is. the building block that builds elections for us over and over again, black women, especially, when you look at kamala harris on saturday campaigning with a big gap for her to get bacardi sellers endorsement, and part of the concern even for her is how much black support joe biden has. he has worked with the cdc, and for decades, they are all firmly behind him from what we are hearing so far. they are candidates that you might see more popular like mayor pete, bernie sanders, they are all struggling with black voters, and you cannot win if you're struggling with black voters, that is what has happened with bernie sanders against hillary clinton. >> lisa: he has that half of the ticket that nobody cares about. he is a boring half of the ticket. people showed up for obama because he was a phenomenal candidate, i wholly disagree with basically everything he

stood for in his politics and what he did as a president, but i can give respect to the fact that he was a great politician. i also think that joe biden is more like jeb bush from my eyes, and i anything that president trump sees that by labeling him sleepily joe just like low energy jeb bush. so i think that that is the way that president trump sees it. if i was president trump, i would much rather run against joe biden, somebody who is on tested under his belt, has not run a tough race since his sena, versus bernie sanders whose building a movement, and there are people who show up at his rallies come i would much rather face joe biden. >> dagen: we have talked about this publicly and privately, a huge area for him to comment and say no medicare for all, shoring up obamacare, it is working for millions of americans. that is one of his big openings. >> melissa: that is very true, you mention the branding of sleepy joe, there were so many people that said over the weekend, was it sleepily joe or

sloppy joe? and from a very serious perspective, it is, president trump plant that seed and it does not go away. and he picks up on things that people are thinking about and he drives a deeper. i think that it is a very exciting time for democrats, because there are as of right now, 19 noteworthy candidates, hard to quantify how many there really are based on how much intention they are getting, but it is a big field, and the dynamics have changed so much. 15% of delegates are awarded out of california and texas now, and 46% of delegates will be awarded by super tuesday. that is a point for kamala harris. >> jessica: and for bernie sanders. >> melissa: interesting times for sure. >> dagen: union workers, that gets him through ohio and south carolina. in nevada, big union coalition in nevada. >> melissa: the mueller report raising new questions about the unverified steele dossier and whether it played a key role in

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clinton's campaign and the democratic national committee. in recent testimony, william barr confirmed that he was looking into the genesis of the russia probe and spying on the trump campaign. republican congressman john ratcliffe says that he hopes the attorney general can provide some answers on all of this. >> the obama justice department did not just go to the fisa court and represent that there was probable cause of collusion that we now know did not exist on a single occasion, they did so four times over a year. what assurances can he give the american people that there will be accountability for folks who made false verifications about a dossier that was unverifiable, because it was entirely untrue. >> melissa: some mainstream media outlets are open to the possibility that russia may have planted some of those claims in the dossier. this was in "the new york times," they wrote "how the dossier ended up loaded with dubious or exaggerated

details remains uncertain. a possibility, one that mr. steele has not ruled out could be russian disinformation." that is a paragraph in "the new york times" article that jumped out at me as well. it would mean that in addition to carrying out an effective attack on the clinton campaign, they hedge their bets and placed a few landmines under mr. trump's presidency as well. it is an interesting perspective, now acknowledging that the dossier -- that it was not a good lead. it was in fact a land mine, something very dangerous in saying that is this yet another way that we were duped by the russians? >> dagen: >> ari: that was why my first thoughts were that it is not legitimate, and we need to fight and unify as a nation against russia, that is t conclusion, let me go back to te origins of this time i also think about this as somebody who worked in the white house and who was aware of the awesome

powers that the government has to intrude in people's lives was surveillance through spying, through the use of confidential informants, and when you make the decision, we will go after an opposing political campaign, you better have it right. because if you have it wrong, we are now where we are today. and it needs to be investigated, because those powers were misused. they should not been applied unless they had the goods. that is the congressman's point about probable cause of collusion. we now know how wrong it was. and you have to prevent future governments from doing this. to the best way to do that is to hold the obama people under scrutiny for what they did, why they did it, and let the truth come out. >> melissa: do we have to prevent future governments from doing what happen here >> jessica: i'm not sure, the origins of the russia probe start with george papadopoulos, not with the steele dossier. >> lisa: i cannot agree about that. you go ahead, i will respond. >> jessica: it begins with george papadopoulos, not just because a bunch of people in the

intel community woke up and said i really hate donald trump time i want to make sure -- >> ari: i'm not saying it is that. >> jessica: there are number of people who say that, and the president who acts like he is a victim of the witch hunt says that they just did not want him to get elected. there are members of people on the trump campaign who had contact with russians with unsavory at best, and lied about it repeatedly to the intel community and to mueller. mueller makes the point of the report that it was hard to figure out what happened, because so many trump officials lied to him and his team about their contacts with russians. what is going on with the steele dossier, and i appreciate "the new york times" article, i read it, very interested in what they were going to say about it and their concerns, there is disinformation there, but the idea that this is how it all began as a falsehood. and that is dangerous in light of the mueller report. >> lisa: i disagree with you because of this, the fact remains that the fbi met with

christopher steele prior to the cross fire hurricane, already employed by fusion gps and started his work on the steele dossier. and i think the fbi has had an interest in downplaying the role that the dossier played in the original investigation and the entirety of the investigation. if you look at it, it is entirely possible that the russia investigation as well as the narrative around it was predicated on russian disinformation documents that were paid for by democrats. because if you look at the pervasiveness of how the dossier was used. one, i think the launch of the investigation also to obtain fisa warrants, reported on "fox news sunday" by bob ward work that it was an early draft of the intel assessment that came out in 2017. you look at the fact that i mentioned previously of james comey setting up president trump, and it leaks. the book shattered by mainstream reporters talking about the clinton campaign trying to blame the loss on russia, you go through and you look at the way,

but also look back at committee hearings and democrats referencing the dossier and the likelihood is that it was a russian disinformation document so spread wide and far and was used by the intelligence community, that is terrifying. >> dagen: we have attorney general bill barr prompting to get to the root of this all whether they spying and again, spying on an american citizen, spying on a presidential campaign, in part using a now largely discredited dossier that was paid for by hillary clinton and the dnc. was the spying predicated on anything? we have lindsey graham on the case, and we also have the inspector general report that will be out and literally a matter of weeks. we will get to the bottom of this, because it is appalling. >> melissa: the trump administration issuing a crackdown on iran in an attempt to choke off the main revenue source. but the move is sparking some

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>> up to 40% of the revenue comes from oil sales, it is the ridging's number one source of cash. the goal as then to get them to stop importing uranian oil entirely, we granted exceptions for seven countries in taiwan, today i am announcing that we will no longer grant any of exceptions, we are going to zero. we are going to zero across the board. >> lisa: mike pompeo saying that they are ending exemptions for imports of iranian oil, escalating the trump administration's maximum pressure campaign on iranian president.

and what secretary pompeo calls his outlaw regime, but this is sparking serious concerns about oil prices and the global supply, secretary pompeo and president trump are trainees those fears today. saying that the administration has taken the greatest possible care to ensure market stability. i will start with you, this comes on the heel of the trump administration designating the islamic revolutionary guard a terrorist organization, this is all part of the maximum pressure campaign, will it work? >> ari: this is designed to make terrorism go down, and everybody should celebrate that, ron is the worst nation when it comes to sponsorship of terrorism. you see it in yemen, syria, and some of the most volatile places in the middle east, this is a welcome stat to put most pressure possible to make iran choose between its own bread and butter for its people who are in support of terrorism, every dollar that they get they choose to support terrorism, take those dollars away. as for the bump up in prices, it

will be temporary, this happened six months ago when the administration asked the first oil wave, prices went up for the first day and then they came back down again. 3% up today, that is a six month high, it will come back down. >> lisa: did you agree with the assessment? >> lisa: absolutely, it is an emotional response, and a lot of that is the trade mentality let's get ahead of the tray to make a little money on the bump, the truth is that saudi arabia and the u.s. can more than make up for whatever oil comes off of the market without question, and most importantly, saudi arabia is motivated to do that. they are partners with us against iran, this is one place where we really do agree, having been to more opec meetings than i can count, they are not fond of the iranians, and they are happy to move in and help. >> lisa: what is the impact on the iranian economy, because the fund found that iran's economy shrunk 1.5% last year, what is the impact?

>> dagen: they will be able to cheat and deliver barrels of oil, but again now, this is maximum pressure in terms of the oil that they are exporting to other countries, it will hurt, period. number two, i've been saying this as long as i have worked for fox news, almost 20 years now that our safety and security is built on our ability to produce oil and our own energy independence, because we now are in a position as the united states is the number one oil producer because of the shale revolution, because we have in the administration that is getting out of the way of being able to produce more oil and natural gas in the country, we now do not have to buy oil, and we are not dependent on nations that hate us. and i think that that is a hugely positive thing. >> melissa: and it is a big change. >> dagen: we have a reserve that is full of oil, if there is

a supply problem, we can ramp up production in the united states and we can deliver barrels out of the spr. >> lisa: i want to get jessica in here as well, where democrats on the maximum pressure campaign? >> jessica: we have not heard them talking about it more specifically, but more about the iranian deal, the president pulled out and said we would have a better deal when all of the democrats are in support and the allies about it. so kamala harris, elizabeth warren have all made a central plank of their 2020 campaign that they will bring back the iranian deal, and build upon it to ensure world safety. i have yet to see comments about this this morning for instance after secretary of state mike pompeo spoke this morning, i'm sure that we will see every little bit of help, we want to see fear sanctions, but also a long-term plan to make sure that we do not have iran finding other ways to cheat or continuing to commit to

terrorism and say that the deal was what was working. >> lisa: i give this discussion and. good job. the democratic presidential candidates coming up with a new plan for climate change that goes beyond the green deal, did not know that this was possible, could this be another litmus test for 2020 democrats? that is next. stay with us. ♪ hard work leaves a mark. it shows on your clothes. they're branded by sweat, pride,

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>> jessica: the green new deal proposal is a hot and do button issue, and some candidates revealing their own climate change plan, elizabeth warren joining the so-called key been in the ground movement, calling for a moratorium on all fossil fuel exploration on public land. bernie sanders is calling for a similar ban, writing in a blog post any serious effort to address climate change must address public land, it is responsible for nearly a quarter of all greenhouse gas submissions. president trump has pushed for an expansion of coal, oil, and gas. the u.s. energy administration reported that the nation's consumption of fossil fuels such as oil, national gas, and cole grew by 4% last year. with natural gas consumption reaching a national high.

this does not surprise me, elizabeth warren has the most elaborate set of plans of any of the democratic contenders, their articles in "the new york times" full of them all the time, do you think this pushes them in any direction? >> ari: every one of the steps to the left pushes everybody to the left, because he cannot have that much room on the rights, and all of it is influential, but they need to listen to dagen mcdowell on this, she said that the national security is dramatically enhanced as becoming energy independent, the u.s. becoming number one supplier of oil and natural gas thanks to the revolution, 100% right, so why would we want to become second, third, fourth? why would we deny ourselves the resources? but it was a half measure, if you think that fossil fuel should not come from public lands, then cut them off, there is a moratorium on new development, do not lead

existing development continue, just new, it is a half measure, doesn't sound like you are virtuous, but are you letting it being developed currently? >> dagen: i was just going to say that this also means if you are -- if you want to reduce and cut off the use of fossil fuels, we have had an 80% increase in oil production from the permian basin and the deposits, so texas is permian basin, that is jobs, that is thousands upon thousands of jobs in the united states. i will add because of the conversion from coal to natural gas, we have had a missions come out of power plants fall by 30% since 2005. we are leading the world in terms of developed nations in reducing our emissions. because of natural gas in part, so again, it might sound great at a left liberal rally, but it does not resonate with people

who work in the industries and understand america's reliance on the energy business. >> jessica: say you are not at one of these lefty rallies where i spent all of my time, there are conversations when the president says i'm bringing coal back, that is not realistic or what is going on, so do you see a middle ground? how do republicans respond? >> melissa: i think they respond the way that james freeman david, when he said, if you look at the states in the industrial west that were democratic, that whimper president trump, if you wanted to make sure that those places stayed for president trump, you would create a policy that looks like the great new deal. because it blows away the livelihood of the entire carbon-based economy, who are farmers, who grow things, drive things to market, you just threatened their entire way of life and you installed them in the process and you make sure that they stay with the president and the great new dea

deal. >> lisa: i 100% agree, as melissa laid out, this will be a huge political liability in the states. it is also dumb, because you are talking about eliminating 80% of the energy consumption coming from fossil fuels. it democrats that support the deal want to move entirely to renewables. you are guiding the 80% of the energy consumption in the united states, not to mention the fact that you are getting rid those jobs. >> dagen: here is the policy, we are going to reduce electricity from all of the hot air that the politicians are blowing on the campaign trail. >> jessica: we have to go, more "outnumbered" in just a moment. ♪ ok everyone! our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy! whoo-hoo! great-tasting ensure.

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>> dagen: ari fleischer, we are back tomorrow. i was the only one hollering on the set. i apologize. >> lisa: we were having some off camera good discussions. a >> jessica: we solve the climate change problem.

>> ari: this is the politest group i've ever been with. >> lisa: except for me. >> ari: you were great and you were right. >> dagen: hello! love you all, we are back tomorrow at 12:00 eastern. right now melissa francis is in for harris. >> melissa: another bomb exploding today in sri lanka one day after the coordinated attack killed nearly 300 people including several americans on easter sunday. this is "outnumbered overtime," i am melissa francis in today for harris faulkner. sri lanka pledging to use emergency powers to find the terrorist responsible for this massacre. no one was hurt in today's explosion, but at least 290 people died, 500 were hurt when a series of bombs went off at churches and hotels yesterday. survivors describe the chaos. >> i went inside, and we just heard the explosion really loud, it was really loud, and we were scared. we did not