period especially in the setting we love. >> sandra: bill calls this the shoe box. we will be back in our studio. don't ask me 25 starts >> melissa: fox news alert, new action to former vice president joe biden making it official. announcing his third bid for the white house, and right off the bat going directly at president trump. now the president responding. oh, boy. this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here today, host of "kennedy" on the fox business network, miss kennedy herself. town hall at her and fox news contributor, katie pavlich. syndicated radio host and fox news contributor, leslie marshall. and it joining us on the couch today, chris bedford, editor and chief of "the daily color" news foundation. we have a lot of news today. >> chris: old-fashioned political news. >> melissa: we will get into that. [laughter] no doubt about it. the meantime, former

vice president joe biden making his announcement in an online video focusing almost exclusively on president trump's response to the white's premises rallies and counter protests in charlottesville, virginia. which turned deadly back in august of 2016. here is some of that video. >> we are in the battle for the soul of this nation. i believe history will look back on for years of this president and all he embraces as an abhorrent moment in time. but if we give donald trump eight years in the white house, he will forever and fundamentally alter the character of this nation. who we are. and i cannot stand by and watch that happen. >> melissa: and just last hour, biden arrived at the train station en route to philadelphia with this unwise former boss president obama is not making a primary endorsement. >> i asked him not to endorse, and he doesn't want to --

whoever wins this nomination should win on merit. welcome to delaware. >> melissa: biden entering the crowded democratic field as the front runner, but his candidacy faces questions over whether or not his brand of politics is out of step with too many others in his own party. the committee credited with court needing congress omit alexandria because you cortez 's election, released a statement blasting biden. it reads in part, "we need democrats will fight racism and inequality with solutions that match the skill the crisis we are facing. not piecemeal compromises with corporate america and the party with donald trump." president trump issuing his own response to the campaign announcement, tweeting, "welcome to the race, sleepy joe. i only hope you have the intelligence, long in doubt, to wage a successful primary campaign. it will be nasty. you will be dealing with people

who truly have some very sick and demented ideas, but if you make it, i will see you at the starting gate!" chris, i think that's a long form of "good luck." [laughter] >> chris: that sounds like it. "welcome in, sleepy joe." the myth of joe biden collided with the reality of joe biden. america went to sleep, in this moderate version of him. and woke up to a campaign announcement that we are all nazis. it's a weird way to launch a campaign. he was born in '42, lived through the kennedy and the king assassinations and the rights. he says donald trump is our biggest threat we've ever faced. it's a difficult way, i think, to start off this campaign. then to see, like you said, the progressive democrats saying the vice president to the first black president doesn't have the credentials. that someone who is leading in the polls right now, because he spent eight years on the national stage, he is leading in the polls because of racism baked into america's founding

grade that's what he's up for. >> melissa: i don't know if that is quite what the other side of the democrats were saying, leslie. it seems like they were saying he has not bold enough. that he's maybe sleepy joe. which so the present certain he said. he would be the oldest person ever elected president, look at the list of facts here. he would be 78 on inauguration day in 2021. but this ain't even madder at point? >> leslie: i live in l.a. where 70 is the new 40. [laughter] >> melissa: or 20 is the new 40! that's more out l.a. works. >> leslie: working longer, retiring later, living longer. what i think the left of the left is concerned about is not just -- age, obviously. they want more youth in the party. both democrats and republicans need more youth infused into their parties, into the base. but another white guy. they want more diversity. certainly there are many on the left -- myself included, would

like to see a female president. the reality is that democrats, first and foremost -- whether they agree on certain issues like the green new deal or not -- they want donald trump to be a one-term president. if joe biden's on that platform, this segment of the democratic population better be able to accept that despite their gripes with him right now. >> melissa: kennedy, biden leads the democratic field with 29.3% of the vote right now. he is, as we said, the 20th person to announce. do you think money could be a problem? he's having a big fund-raiser tonight in philadelphia. they are predicting he will raise half a million dollars. >> kennedy: we were talking to juan williams last night about this. we both agreed that joe biden is late to the game and he is also using a very old-fashioned model of raising money. he has got people in the race -- i mean, bernie sanders has essentially been running for this spot since 2015. that's quite a head start. he also gets to take some of the

money that he didn't spend from his 2016 presidential run and use -- >> melissa: i hate to put you on the spot. >> kennedy: i think he has raised $26 million so far. remember, those are small-donor, small-daily donations. he has also admitted that he is a tough time with social media. that's we get the advantage. that's where you learn how to target voters. not just for fund-raising but for messaging. that's not necessarily the most natural place for joe biden. also, to kris' point, when just democracy talking about him, he's talking about the policies helped craft that decimated communities of color and put generations of young men in prison for decades. because of some of the legislation that he coauthored, especially in the 90s. >> katie: to that point, you could say he's one of the architects of the war on drugs. the justice democrats this morning are hitting him on things like nafta, the patriot

act, they are also talking about how he was wrong on criminal justice in the 1990s. he will have to answer questions about that. but in terms of his messaging on the charlottesville thing, i would say that president trump was partially elected because of after eight years of obama half the country got tired of being accused of racism for simply imposing policies like obamacare, like big government, like more taxes. for joe biden to take this message and turn it around again, and use that as a virtue-signaling, i'm not sure that will work even among the moderate democrats. he also looks like he's trying too hard. some of the comments that he's made, he's been very disciplined number of issues. looking at who he's going to have to get back into the democrats corner, i was looking at a map this morning of the 100 counties that president trump took back from president obama. many of them are in iowa. it would be interesting to watch that in the primary process. the majority are in wisconsin and michigan, places like pennsylvania even.

those of the people that joe biden meets it to be talking to. i'm not sure that blue-collar white workers want to be told they are equivalent to white nationalists who have this awful situation in charlottesville. >> leslie: let me take the opposite side of their grant for the sake of argument only. we have people on who have said that he offers a race that would be a referendum on trump. i think juan williams was saying this yesterday. that then it would be -- it's not about him necessarily, it's about whether you want this guy around for four more years. he was saying he thought of you that would be compelling for a lot of disaffected democrats who voted for trump. what you think of that argument? >> chris: yes, he has offered himself up that way. saying he is so concerned about the country but implying that bringing him into the white house the next four years would make this an aberration of history. we are seeing a little bit of an old joe biden who ran against mitt romney, saying he wants to be back in chains. he's ramping it up. one of the democratic party's as he relies on is the unions.

after the decision, they lost 280,000 numbers in the last year. they are or to guys in power inn the middle-of-the-road democratic working-class organizing power. that may have declined fairly directly since the last election. >> kennedy: he's running an old-fashioned campaign. he's running a very ' 80s and '90s-style campaign and so much has shifted. used to be able to go to these big groups and donors and take everything you need, but now it is because of social media, it is so much surgical and precise. >> chris: ask jeb bush. >> katie: unions are holding onto a lot of powers in ways because they're able to find the money. they can't funnel it to democratic campaigns. joe biden again is going to be having trouble there, not only with voting power but with money power on something that used to be reliable for democrats in terms of fund-raising. >> leslie: i don't agree with the money power, and i will tell

you why. elizabeth warren says, "i won't take anything from anybody except you who is watching this video on twitter." there are people saying they won't take money from corporations. joe biden hasn't said he won't take money from anybody. [laughter] he can take money from anybody. >> melissa: the one who is hosting his reception tonight in philadelphia, he's a local constituent. to have his name right there on the invitation, so to speak. it says a lot. it's interesting though, because you talk about how democrats feel about the fact that it's two old white guys right now leading the field. when you look at bernie sanders, he is being supported by a lot of little money. so obviously the democrats that are out there voting early with their dollars are not concerned about having someone out there who's a woman and a person of color. right? >> leslie: a poll yesterday came out and surprised me, that the diversity -- whether it's gender, race, and ethnicity, the

majority don't care. i think because democrats want the president to be one term, they want to win, and whoever's on that platform hopefully as a democrat speaking, hopefully they learned from 2016. what katie said about wisconsin, patient, pennsylvania, and michigan -- that's an area where joe biden is very strong. not just with union workers, he does well with white blue-collar voters. speedy women who have turned away from president trump. he has to knit together a very different coalition than obama-biden did in '08 and '12. i don't know if he realizes that. all of this, all of these wins in the rust belt, i don't think they are foregone conclusions for joe biden at this point. >> katie: before we have to go, to the bernie sanders and joe biden rivalry. already there is news about bernie sanders' former press

secretary jumping ship. her name is simone sanders. she works for him in 2015 she's now working for joe biden. she's african-american. we will see where that goes. they are approaching each other's staff already. >> melissa: hillary clinton weighing in on the best way forward for democrats after the mueller report, which he says is about impeachment. and how dems should respond paid plus the white house digging in against democrat subpoenas now blocking top eight stephen miller from testifying. what's next in this battle, and whether they are displaying politics ahead of 2020. we will debate that all next. ♪ alright, i brought in

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push to investigate his administration, and his personal businesses. the white house counsel and i declining an invitation from the house oversight committee to interview white house eight stephen miller. in a letter, white house counsel pat cipollone he siding a long-standing precedent to deny offers for staff to testify capitol hill. now house democrats holding them in contempt of congress if they don't comply with those requests. at the top of the democrats witnesses list, a former white house chief counsel don mcgahn. mcginn was interviewed for over 30 hours by special counsel robert mueller's investigators, and trump critics claim that mcgahn is central to an obstruction of justice case against the president. the president treating today about mcgahn, saying, "i never told then-white house counsel don mcgahn to fire robert mueller. even though i have the legal right to do so. they wanted to fire him, i didn't need mcgahn to do it. i could have done it myself." mueller was not fired and was respectfully allowed to finish

his work." >> melissa: i don't know about respectfully. [laughter] >> kennedy: that's not enough some democrats like corbis and dan kildee. watch. >> on the specific question the president race, we have to get an answer to that question. if, in fact, he directed mcgahn to fire the special counsel, that is a substantial question. what we do with that information, i don't think any of us are really yet prepared to make that determination. but i think the american public and of course congress with its oversight responsibilities, we have an obligation to find out if, in fact, that is the case. >> kennedy: melissa, are democrats pretending the mueller report didn't happen at all? [laughter] >> melissa: it's a challenge, because they cried wolf for so long that president trump was the manchurian candidate, that he was the russian spy. and that completely fell apart. it wasn't even close. so now, as they prepare a t-shirt-canon full of investigations that they are just going to spray everywhere,

i wonder if it just becomes white noise. for everyone out there in the electorate who is doing things like packing lunches, paying bills, driving -- >> kennedy: is that it, with the confetti canon? they hope it leads to the one-piece information? i think a lot of independent voters want to know what is the big thing. >> melissa: they want him to go away, the president. >> chris: orange man bad! [laughter] >> kennedy: that's right. that's a talking point and that's the memo. let's discuss a little bit of these subpoenas. if people ignore them, the contempt of congress citation. what does that do? >> chris: nothing. john banner windows, republicans learned this under center president barack obama. with eric holder. people are still waiting for the papers regarding fast and furious. it's rare that the present -- i think it's very rare for the president to ever say, "i'm just not good i do this." as opposed to dragging their

feet like most presidents do. >> kennedy: and pretending they are going to do stuff. >> chris: it's almost like he has entered jackson's portrait hanging in the oval office. >> kennedy: old agri? >> chris: he's the guy who would say, let me see it, enforce it. this will go to the courts. they will likely side with him. any time in the next four, five, six, seven years. he is easily pushing this behind the election, his reelection. at least the reelection campaign. the democrats are going to run up against a brick wall. >> kennedy: democratic congressman ro khanna is like, "we have to go to the courts!" "let's use the slowest method possible! this needs to be on the east coast overnight! let's slow-rocket!" >> chris: it's even spoiled by injunctions. they have helped them very quickly with these injunctions, but this won't be an injunction. >> kennedy: if you are ahead of the democratic party -- leslie marshall, you are now the empress of the party.

what you tell the flock? >> leslie: this is actually a tough one. because on the one hand you have some people who actually were elected to impeach the president before the mueller report came out. but there are so many redactions in the report, and as a congressional body -- i don't care if you are democrat or republican -- you have a responsibility view of the the united states to do your due diligence in determining. the democrats cannot make a decision whether they are going to impeach the president or not, until they have all the information. i'm sorry, but i don't figure mueller report -- >> kennedy: how much more information do they need? >> leslie: what they are requesting. i don't think it's wrong of him to ask don mcgahn for the president said is true. if it is, check. that's one question answered. >> kennedy: do you think the investigators were incompetent? b5 they can't see everything of the investigators found. that's why some of the missing information to fill in the blanks, they are putting forth

these subpoenas. two days ago charlie carrick sat here and he was talking about the constitution, he was talking about crimes and misdemeanors. went to break and i didn't get to say this. if you look at, legally, crimes and misdemeanors and what they are, it does include tax evasion. it does include abuse of power. >> kennedy: when we get tired of any president, from either party, we should just throw them out of office. elections should be essentially meaningless. >> leslie: in california they did that with the governor. >> kennedy: gray davis, and that's how you got arnold schwarzenegger. good job. [laughter] >> katie: it's interesting that they want to pull down mcgahn, for 30 hours count to talk about what he said. he was under oath for 30 hours when he talked to mueller. to your point about checking the box, what he said to the new investigation, is that true customer obviously that is, he was under oath. that's what he said. he said that's what it was true

in the report. even if the president is disputing it publicly. with this comes down to now is this is all about politics. democrats want to haul a bunch of white house staffers, former and possibly current -- as stephen miller has been asked to come -- to embarrass the white house and have political ammunition for 2020 candidates and voters to look at to try and muddy the waters when it comes to president trump's reelection. trump and the trump team are also being political here, and quite savvy, actually. by pushing it to the courts and saying, "sure, we will have this fight. i'm not exuding executive privilege, and being very transparent about this. we will see where it goes from there." for democrats to act like they look will get anymore information than what we have. if the report was 500 pages instead of 400, with the be satisfied? >> kennedy: you know when you squeeze lemon with a squeezy thing in the limit has been squeezed? and they still expect a nice full glass of lemon juice from a squeezed lemon rind. as you wear, chris.

absolutely. >> chris: i think it is political and optical. it's for the elections. i'm wondering why. a member that two beak. after trump was elected, there was a lot of self reflection? "maybe we didn't talk about jobs." some of that. "maybe we forgot pennsylvania. maybe we skipped too many states, maybe we didn't talk about drugs, it may be health care took too much of a backseat." and quickly became -- just look at the last week. the mueller report, the unending investigations. none of those are a positive agenda and none of them are following the typical democratic model to winning that barack obama followed. clinton followed, kennedy followed, to left of the nation and be a vessel for their dreams. that we can go beyond this. >> katie: even democratic primary voters say the russia investigation is the bottom of the list when it comes to priorities, and yet congress is still very focused on it. >> kennedy: yeah, they want health care and the economy -- >> leslie: when they go low, we go hide.

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>> for black women, we will be an integral part of what arbitration is about. okay? >> hold on. were you finished? okay. >> katie: the event also highlighted frustrations among some democratic voters that white men like bernie sanders and joe biden are leaving early polls despite the record diverse field of candidates. a former dnc officials who helped organize the event told politico, "with all due respect to the vice president, he hasn't even announced yet, but he's a front runner? racism and sexism are part of the fabric in the fiber and the founding of our country." and then she went on to say that we may not be passed that. over to you. >> chris: it was a pretty impressive quote. >> melissa: you will go to the white man first? >> chris: i'm sorry, excuse me. [laughter] >> katie: he's a minority here, he's "outnumbered." [laughs] >> chris: bernie sanders is particularly bad about talking

about this. i don't think it's natural to him. when he first ran for president and was building up all this steam, he came across with a classic marxist approach. not breaking it down to different subgroups. it's oppressed and oppressors. that was all of his early campaign speech, when he was running against hillary clinton in the primary. it was only later when he started to catch on and say, "oh, these different special-interest groups." he has lived his whole life with this old-fashioned democratic socialist ideology, and breaking it down into the new school of women of color and trans women of color -- there's a million different across the spectrum. he can't navigate it will end its showing. >> katie: we had a poll yesterday on the show that showed 77% of democratic primary voters don't necessarily care about a woman or someone of color being the nominee. they just want someone to beat donald trump. so which is it? is the party diverse enough? are they still playing in the path of the alleged racism that the country is founded on by

promoting joe biden and bernie sanders? or is this really about beating president trump? >> leslie: it should be about beating president trump. that's a political game. having a politician, your party in the lead. i think the poll speaks to that among democratic voters. but there are some issues here, specifically to your point on senator sanders. he is, in a sense, and has since 2016, proclaimed himself to be king of the oppressed. interestingly enough, that resonates with millennials, who are not oppressed. [laughter] but his numbers of people who have continued to be oppressed, whether it's women or african-americans, hispanics, and other ethnic groups, he's not doing well with those numbers. i don't feel that his answer helps himself yesterday. we saw cory booker and eric swalwell say, "hey, i won't speak to an area i don't know." but i want to say as a white person that if he gets important for democrats who are white to admit. beto o'rourke has done this. that there is white privilege and that you can only speak so

much to the plight of an african-american or to a woman if you are not one. if you're a man. and that's why i think it was excellent that booker and swalwell said -- >> katie: we actually have them talking about that. making this admission. let's listen to and we will get reaction. >> do you want a woman running mate? >> i will have a woman running mate. it's really clear that we do that. >> i pledge that i would ask a woman to serve as vice president. i would put forward a diverse candidate and policies that would make sure that inherent bias that exist or discoloration that exists in communities would be eliminated. >> katie: why are there men running at all if this is the case? >> kennedy: they seem like apologists. you can look at the data, and at the effect of some of these tough on crime policies. nc how it has affected black and

latino communities disproportionately. you look at sentencing laws. if you want to talk to people whose sons and brothers and husbands have been put away for long period of time, you say we have to do better job on criminal justice reform. those policies and changing those structural malformed leads in our criminal justice system will come a long way. not just women of color, but to all individuals. that is critical that we have an equal application of the law in this country, which we don't right now. that is what has done such a great disservice. but it is a four-letter word to talk about freedom or individualism with any of these people, and it's a shame they are just focusing on apologizing for everything. because that takes everyone to be divided and negative place. >> katie: and it cheapens the issue. instead of addressing real issues as you are talking about, we'll just plug a woman into the vice presidency. >> kennedy: and she will make great decisions for everyone is a woman. i think the abstract, voters need to sit around thinking

about whether the candy would of their interest. then when it gets closer to time to actually vote, they listen to the candidates and you pick the person that you like, that you connect with. and it goes beyond that very simple thing of race and gender. so i think that's kind of why when you ask people they are like, "i want to see a minority, i want to see a woman." but as they watch them go to speak they gravitate toward someone for all of the of the reasons why you like someone. >> chris: i remember during the democratic primary between barack obama and hillary clinton, three doing interviews on the cover of "the washington post." "i want to vote for barack obama because i'm black, but i want to vote for hillary clinton because i'm a woman." i thought, can't you look at what they stand for? they're different policies and different ideas for the future of the country. that's been completely pushed aside for this identity politics which is ruling the roost. >> leslie: i don't think that's fair, i'm sorry. i'm a woman and i voted for hitler clinton. i didn't vote for her because she is a woman. when i voted for her -- and melissa remembers this, i

think -- i put my daughter's hand and put it on top of mind. for over 200 years, this country has been run by men and we want a return. women want our return. we feel that we deserve that in the majority of the population. >> kennedy: i want to push back on that a little bit. it's so incredibly impressive for people to say, "you have to vote a certain way. you have to, stay in this basket. you belong with them. you can't think for yourself, you're not an individual. for part of a group." that's absolutely the subtext when people talk simply about race and gender. it's offensive. because you're looking at people based on their race and based on their gender, saying, "you don't have the rational capacity to make your own decision." >> leslie: i don't agree. >> kennedy: that is dog crap. >> leslie: its asking, what are you going to do for us customer specifically african-american woman.

>> katie: a question about hillary -- she famously, infamously, said that it was her turn. it's her turn, that's why the dnc worked so hard to get it done mike bernie sanders out of the race. they make the system against him. that's why the pretty supporters are out for blood now. that's why love them didn't vote trailer clinton. so is it a mistake for democrats again to go down this pathway of entitlement -based on gender? >> leslie: i don't think it's entitlement based on gender. >> melissa: can i come to her defense for one second? were you saying that you're going to vote for who he clinton, it was icing on the cake? >> leslie: i wanted her when she was against barack obama, when she ran against her. i voted for her then. >> melissa: but not the determining factor. >> leslie: absolutely. if you want to take the analogy somewhere else, if you want a green house and he want to live in this certain neighborhood, it doesn't mean you're just going to buy a greenhouse in any neighborhood and he might end up buying the brown house in that

neighborhood. there's a lot of different ingredients that go into this. >> melissa: i think icing on the cake at -- >> kennedy: i'm a libertarian, there is no icing and no cake. [laughter] >> katie: if you're going to admit you are voting based on gender or race -- anyway, moving along. president trump continues to criticize the mueller investigation even though it cleared his campaign of conspiracy with russia. some say he should just let it go, but is there actually strategy behind this? if so, is it a good one? we will talk about it up next. >> i know all about the system, because i had the system rigged on me. i think you know what i'm talking about. [applause] ♪ there's little rest for a single dad,

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talking about. [applause] unfortunately that will be your sound bites. >> melissa: yep. president trump yesterday speaking at an event touting his administration's against opioid addiction. going a little bit off topic there, peering to reference the russia. politico pointing out the president could have simply declared victory and moved on. after the mueller report's release. also noting a possible strategy behind all the tweets and comments, keeping attention away from issues like health care and infrastructure that help dems in the midterm. "infrastructure doesn't drive new cycles, but one term treat on mueller can blot out the sun for an entire news cycle." a lot of people discount this president is undisciplined and nonsavvy, that is giving him way too little credit." "the washington post" white house reporter, ashley parker, tweeting, "trump, after saying something buzzy at today's heroin for them, i know all about rigging the system because i have the system rigged on me, demonstrates his tv

producer kenny instincts." what do you think? undisciplined? or clever? >> chris: he shouldn't take advice from playbook. i know a lot of people, few people in the party, like mitt romney, who want to move on from the mueller report right now. after two years of being sabotaged by the outgoing and administration that came before him, of his campaign being -- i guess it's not spied on, being observed by intelligent services. [laughter] >> kennedy: that's a fun one. >> chris: including foreign governments. after what has actually turned out to be a broadly unsubstantiated witch hunt, he has every right to talk about it and not the democrats dominate and talk about whatever they want to. but amazingly, surprisingly, democrats still seem to want to talk with the mueller report come too paid which has been surprising to me. >> kennedy: if you want bipartisanship, there you have it! democrats and the president still want to talk about the

mueller report for whatever reason. democrats think that this is going to be there tool for upending this administration through impeachment or 2020 victory. and the president knows and costley reminds people who voted for him that they were in the right and he was targeted unfairly by a deep state operation, crooked individuals at the top did whatever they could to usurp his duly elected power. >> melissa: so you vote for clever, you vote for cover. clever or at -- >> katie: they may be looking at some polling data. i was looking up a story from the bbc when the mueller report came out. a woman was interviewing voters in florida who were disenfranchised republicans who didn't vote for trump in 2016, who are saying that as a result of the mueller report they are angrier than ever but this took place and that they are going to vote for president trump in 2020 as a result of this big government taxpayer-funded investigation that came up with nothing. if you like they've been lied to for two years by the media and

democrats. if you look at the polling going into -- just before the mueller report was released, robert mueller's credibility was way down. the majority of voters actually think it was witch hunt, in the exact terms that president trump said. they may be look at the dead and going, "it's not a bad thing for us to continue to talk about it." because democrats will continue to talk about it, they can't see the ground to them and allow them to continue their campaign. i think it's actually smart. if we continue to issue subpoenas and talk about on capitol hill and go on other networks and continued to allege collusion and the evidence hiding in plain sight despite a 400 page report, than the white house is going to have to respond to that. we won leslie come it seems like with a hot-button issue is on both sides -- and i'm just asking a question -- that people feel like their vote is going to get undermined or was undermined. people who voted for president trump and feel like these other people are trying to kick him out of office even though he won, and people on the left who feel like the russians

interfered in the election and so their candidate lost directly as a result. that on both sides you have people who are, like, "wait a second, everybody is trying to subvert democracy." >> leslie: that's a good point. but if you're going to look at the data, it's not politically going to help either side. i think trump was just being trump. he was being himself prayed i thought it was funny. that appeals to his base. but the majority of voters, they don't care about this. they did it before the midterm. they still don't, the data shows. in addition to that, i really feel it can hurt democrats if they don't go forth with the agenda they were also elected to put forth and to pass. i think americans left and right know that even if the house votes to impeach the president the senate is not going to. impeachment is not going to rule -- >> kennedy: what happens to the "walk and chew gum" narrative?

we are seeing a lot of gum chewing on, slapping but not a lot of walking. if democrats have something of the democrats have done something that is truly illegal and impeachable, figure out what that one thing is and go after that. but they are all over the map in terms of what they are trying to target the president with. if that is the case, it's a waste of time and energy and they are not focusing on the ideas that are really going to sway of them. >> chris: #resistance is not a governing principle. they were elected on that, a lot of them. >> melissa: hillary clinton warning democrats not to rush into impeachment, but recommending an approach that echoes watergate. whether that's good advice. ♪ i'd like to take a moment to address my fellow veterans, because i know there are so many of you who have served our country honorably. whether it's two years, four years or thirty-two years like myself. one of the benefits we as a country give our veterans is eligibility for a va loan for up to 100% of your home's value. so if you need money for your family, call newday usa.

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the folks. he is having a fund-raiser where he expects to raise about half a million dollars. there he goes, just a regular joe. what do you think? >> kennedy: that's right. he went inside, i'm sure he got a slice and ate it with his hands like a real american. [laughter] b when did he fold or not fold customer chiesa depends how thick the pizza was. >> kennedy: he knows what to do with a piece of pizza. he's not john kasich. [laughter] he's pointing at people very aggressively. high-fiving, rather. >> melissa: into the front seat of the car. >> kennedy: he's not miss daisy. >> katie: he was on the train earlier. >> kennedy: amtrak job. >> katie: talking to a bunch of workers outside the station. interesting picture of the way it's going to work. >> melissa: let's listen to what he is saying, if we can. >> the fund-raiser you are doing tonight with major executives and contacts?

>> why not public events first before a fund-raiser, mr. vice president? >> nice to talk to you guys. [laughter] >> how was the pizza? >> that's why i got it to go. we are going to take the pizza home. >> can you guys get out of the street so you don't get set? sorry, thank you. can you get out of the street please? >> you can hear the story now. "biden runs over press" or something. >> i'm trying, sir. i'm trying. >> thank you! >> melissa: okay. not commenting on the pizza they are a very safe. saying he was taking it home with him. but he did get one sort of testy question about the fund-raiser that he's doing tonight. that is with the ceo of comcast, saying that he is doing -- sorr sorry? yeah. we want to tell you right here what's on the screen. it's for moments ago. you saw him speed away, so we react to the tape so you can see from the very beginning what happen here. as he came back and was crowded around by a fleet of reporters trying to grab him, one asking, "why aren't you doing any public

events for the big fund-raiser tonight?" and another making a point that it's a fund-raiser, with a giant corporate support of paid the of comcast. three to $2800 a plate, melissa. there's a special $250 bonus for young executives pay that's all they have to pay to get in. that's a lot of scratch. >> melissa: they must be very nice play, if they cost that much. >> katie: a plate bernie sanders can afford, actually. >> melissa: he received biden greeting people and shaking hands. this is the third time that he has run for president, at the age of 76. he is the 20th candidate to jump into the race in 2020. perhaps he feels like 20 is his lucky number. he has said earlier that he wanted to be the last one in, feeling like that would have a good impact. but we will see if that means there's a lot of money left on the table. already, with 19 other candidates out there, vacuuming up the dollars that will be out

there, he wrote an op-ed a short time ago talking about, "we are in the battle for the soul of the nation." that was a lot of what what's message was about when he releases video message. he put the window down, but he said that he was afraid the headline was going to be "joe biden comes out and runs down a group of reporters." [laughter] >> katie: he's getting some criticism for the way that he has a slow-ruled out the campaign over the past couple weeks. this week, with the video announcement, without the big event, and no public events over the weekend. announcing a big fund-raiser that is not for public access, with high-$ donors buying very expensive plates and not having some big public event over the weekend. people are saying that might slow some of the momentum he's been having. >> kennedy: the joe-mentum. [laughter] hillary clinton wrote an op-ed talking about all the ways the president could be impeached while not saying he should be.

you have to wonder what she is thinking as she sees bernie sanders, joe biden, elizabeth warren, kamala harris, pete buttigieg, and all of these other high-profile democrats in this race, they are locked in for the long haul for a very big fight. and she is sidelined, still trying to get in there. >> melissa: and maintain a relevance. >> kennedy: once joe biden got in there, she would not be able to contain herself. >> katie: another issue going forward with joe biden, we have president barack obama saying he's not going to endorse any primary candidates, or biden saying he asked the president not to endorse him. but the problem with hillary is that she didn't have the obama apparatus to support her. and joe biden will not have the and a very difficult primary with many candidates, in terms of fund-raising or with clout with voters. b6 this biden rollout is another myth of him running into the reality. where he has lost national races before. he doesn't have president barack obama to hold them down this time. and they kind of bungled this. they had weeks leading up to this, they slow-rolled edge.

just a fund-raiser. cancel videos. it's not a strong start, but at least he didn't eat in front of them. >> leslie: kamala harris had a strong start and she is not top three. to be up to that fear with income he has no place to go but down from here, unfortunately. >> melissa: real clear politics average, he is leaving the field, cement and, with 29.3% of the vote. 2008, very different situation. he only earned 1% of the iowa caucus. so obviously he's way ahead of last time around. we will see what more the future holds for joe biden in 2020. more "outnumbered" in just a moment

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question at >> chris: i take it home for me. you can learn too much about an animal by watching it each. [laughter] >> kennedy: this has been a great day. we are back in eastern right here on our couch. right now, here's melissa francis in for harris. >> melissa: fox news alert, joe biden taking him at president trump as he announces the 202020 round, saying the soul of the nation is at stake. the president firing right back. let's go "outnumbered overtime" great i'm melissa francis in today for harris faulkner. you are looking at a great video of joe biden at a pizzeria and met with dominic wilmington, delaware moments ago after making it official this morning. the 67 term u.s. senator and former vice president making the announcement in an online video using scenes from the white supremacist marches in charlottesville to slam president trump's response to the deadly confrontation. calling the next election a "battle for the soul of this nation."