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i'm neil cavuto i'm very glad to have you we'll get to all that in a moment, first el eson barber with the president of the united states already on the move. reporter: president trump and japanese prime minister left the white house this morning, they are going to play a round of golf at trump national in sterling, virginia. we expect them to spend some time there this morning. you can see them getting into the motorcade there where they then made their way out to virginia. president trump spent part of the day on friday at the nra convention in indianapolis and the president encouraged the crowd there to get out and vote republican, reminding them that the election while it seems far away is really not that far off. he made a big show of pulling the u.s. out of the u.n. armed trade treaty something the nra has wanted for a very long time in front of a cheering crowd the president signed what he described as a message asking the senate to discontinue the treaty ratification process. president trump talked about the issues that appeal to his base while trying to paint democrats

as far outside of the mainstream president trump: let the boston bomber vote. he should be voting, right? i don't think so. democrats want to disarm law abiding americans while allows criminal aliens to operate with impunity. reporter: we seen the president do this at rallies in the past and he often talks about senator bernie sanders suggesting that all democrats are following sand er's lead and the democratic party is becoming a socialistic party it's something we've seen other republicans do as well and it seems to be one of his strategies heading into 2020. neil? neil: ellison thank you very very much so ellison sort of outlined what the president's approach to this might be for 2020 using some examples of some of the premier or front running democratic candidates to say, you know, i believe in just the opposite. they're focused on getting illegals here, i'm focused on protecting you at the border one of them talks about letting

convicted fell on felons vote and i think i should be looking after you for paying their tab for their keep in jail. so let's get to our panelists and see where they see this going for the 2020 campaign, we've got republican strategist evan sigfreid, and jenna ellis. is that the strategy here and did he tip his hand in speaking to the nra yesterday? >> well i think president trump has always been very open with what he thinks so that's not going to change certainly not going into 2020 and let's remember he's the incumbent here with that advantage and so with the economy being the greatest that it has been in a while and ever and also the unemployment rate being so low, if we look historically back at the incumbent presidents who haven't been re-elected most recently, bush 41 and also president ford, then that really was a part of what impacted that and so i think with president trump actually talking to policy issues and things that impact

every day americans, that's going to help the incumbent advantage where the democratic left is only focused on hating president trump, and they're talking about him as character rather than talking about him as policy issues so for him to focus on that i think that speaks to the every day americans. neil: i wonder at this stage whether you think that the democrats are just committing a bunch of unforced errors, and they're making stupid moves. i mean, whatever the wisdom of allowing prisoners to vote, including those that were behind the boston attacks, it doesn't jive with a lot of people. it's like what are you talking about? >> well they actually can vote in two states in maine and vermont. neil: but if you'll make that a signature issue or talk about the need to do that. >> it's already happening or out there so i don't even know why it's an issue they are voting epinephrine is in 12 states, felons can't vote when they come out of jail. neil: you're talking in jail. >> yeah. neil: but do you find that a

stupid thing to say? >> well we've got 18 months to go so they're not going to focus on the economy right now because if the election was today, trump would win but we have six financial quarters to go. neil: no, no, you're right about that but that says everything right there. they can't talk about the economy because with the time being whether you want to give the president credit or not but we certainly would give him the blame if it were lousy that's doing well, and he is surgically picking through these issues to say the democrats are missing that in these issues. >> well first of all should terrorists vote? the executive producer of the ellen show who is no moderate or even conservative he's very liberal said he would not vote for any candidate who believes the boston bomber should vote. neil: and bernie sanders is a no vote then. >> well and he's very in flew in flew in flew en within the hollywood left and at the same time i'm not as confident this economy is going to be able to help the president. remember we only won the white house by 77, 744 votes in

michigan, pennsylvania and wisconsin and we had the economy booming in the 2018 mid-term, and republicans won in 2014. neil: well a lot of that was the inability to explain the tax cuts in a better way and let someone else take the narrative from you, right? so how do they avoid that? >> well right now the data shows that the american people still have the same feeling they did pre-2018 mid-term election and they have it now, so we have to do a much better job explain ing it and also take out a lot more of the noise and distractions that come out there >> but then necessarily that isn't the only issue, we have on the mueller report has been totally closed a big thing in 2018 and also in 2016 not only did you know the have an incumbent but president trump didn't have a track record so you had the evangelicals. neil: but in the terms, the economy was really sizzling. right? >> well but i think that's because there were some other factors that now the democrats

won't have and they are trying to beat this. neil: but think of what what you just said. you could argue whether you agree with the economy or not but certainly an economy like this the president is up 10 points in the polls and fighting for his political life in some of the states he outlined for other reasons. we could talk about the polls all we want, but shouldn't he be doing better? just in the polls? >> i think it depends on the polls and certainly on which mainstream media outlets. neil: you just told us the greatest recovery in the history of man so if that is the case it's certainly the strongest in decades he should be putting up ronald regan numbers, he might still but he's not now. >> and i think he will and there will be the difference between 2016 and 2020 is that he has that track record, he does have the economic advantage, he has the incumbent advantage and i think you'll see so many more. neil: jimmy carter has the incumbent advantage. >> but the reality though. we've got the base of that voted for trump in 2016 shrinking due

to just natural attrition. 46% of the electorate in 216 were non-college educated white voters and they went two-thirds for president trump and they were expected to be 43% and remember it gets back to that 77, 744 votes. neil: are you sure? >> one or two, but we also have the republicans normally tommy into it with senior citizens 65- plus. they went to the republican party by 16 points in 2014. the republican party only won them by plus two so we're seeing what could be a durable shift in the electorate which has the trump campaign worried they are taking out facebook ads targeting senior citizens to try and bring them back. neil: we don't know, to all of your points but kathy one thing that amazes me thus far is that i can understand the obsession with the mueller report, a lot of you want hearings, fine, fine , but there was a poll released earlier this week about the issues most dominating americans concern.

healthcare, with immigration, we're taking turns being number one. >> right, usually. neil: but mueller wasn't in the top five, wasn't in the top 10, wasn't in the top 15. >> no, no. neil: was just below aliens from neptune coming to our country. so i'm just saying that maybe, it's democrats this time barking up the wrong tree. >> well, we don't want to focus on the mueller report. it didn't give the democrats what they wanted, so they need to look at the investigations. they need to have more of that. neil: and that's what they promised. it must be serious enough for nancy pelosi and steny hoyer steny hoyer it to say they learn from republicans. >> right you can't put all your eggs in that basket so they want to spread it around. neil: that would have been a perfect analogy last weekend. >> i'm sorry. neil: that's okay. >> i'm a little late but pelosi also said let's not focus on impeachment because they know they can't impeach him, they don't have the votes in the

senate, so pelosi is trying to say let's not focus on these things we could not win. neil: there are many on the extreme left who are very much focused on impeachment. >> but that's the problem these candidates have 20 people against trump they can't go too far left or they lose so many voters. neil: which matters more to them usually in an election you go for someone who could help you win. is it your sense when you talk to republicans and all that they hope it's joe biden because they think they have a good shot against him or they hope it's not joe biden because they think that he could be the biggest problem? >> i think that right now, republicans are just so focused on pro-trump and everything that he's done for americans, that really no democratic candidate i mean for all different reasons they don't have the cohesive platform they are basically on an apology tour and kathy conceded a really important point that the democrats didn't get the outcome they wanted, and so they're focused on all of these other issues and so right now there really is no front runner it depends on which democrat you talk to but the trump base is so supportive and he's going to get people who are so much more open.

neil: is that base enough to close the deal for him? >> absolutely i think he definitely wins in 2020 because he has the votes and much supportive base. neil: if you think he can work the same magic with the same base -- >> but -- neil: that would be a mathematical anomaly. >> but his base has increased and even people hesitant in 201w candidate have seen the track record and they are open trump supporters even some of my democrat friends frankly. neil: i don't leave you. >> kathy is my friend. neil: nor should you. both of you should ignore each other. guys i want to thank you both very very much by the way, if wall street is worried about all of this back and forth and the constitutional crisis has a funny way of showing that meanwhile the president is skipping the white house correspond entered's dinner he's not gone once since he's been president and they still carry on with the dinner and i think that it's a story that's entertaining this year, but in the meantime, the president is going to the badger state of wisconsin to sort of say look,

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neil: all right, the president is set for a big rally tonight in wisconsin. this would mark a third year of not attending the white house correspondent's dinner where journalists like myself dress up in very very tight costumes and some of the tuxes really aren't that tight but you get the point he's not doing that third year in a row he's not doing that, often said to meet with those in his base who like the job he's doing and he hopes in that crowd he addresses, this is about the dozen time he's appeared in wisconsin, and the guy who help ed him secure that state is the former governor of that state, scott walker who joins us on the phone right now. governor very good to have you. hey, neil great to be with you thanks for having me on.

neil: how do you think wisconsin looks now, governor? >> well it's going to be a tough battle just like it has been in the past not only for the president but for many state wide candidates. he won in 2016 just by a hair and it's going to be that close again but i believe he can win again in 2020 as long as he gets the message out about the positive things he's done for the state and the people across the country, and as your panel is just talking about a moment ago, and he's got to do that and the combination reminding the voters why whomever the democrat s nominate is going to be embracing that traditional democrat ideas but socialistic ideas that i don't think work in the midwest certainly not wisconsin. neil: some of the numbers look good for him, governor, some would be a little bit worrisome it's very early as you often remind me but if you think about it, those who feel that things are going well in the economy, they like him but that number has gone down oddly enough, 45%

of wisconsin voters in a marquette poll view the president favorably but 35% are getting increasingly worried. now those numbers don't necessarily jive with votes because a lot more had a negative view of then canada trump and still voted for him over hillary clinton albeit by a small margin. what are they worried about? that he's not delivering the goods or what? >> no, i think actually more than anything it's for many of the media outlets here in the state and across the country. they get this false narrative of who he is and what they should believe versus what has actually happened, and that's why i think the two key things are get to the voters, not just through the candidate himself through president trump but through the people he's going to talk to tonight in green bay, wisconsin. people across the state and across other battleground states have to go out like they've never gone out before person to person, door-to-door, neighbor to neighbor, and explain for

example, how the tax cuts in wisconsin say the typical tax paying family over $2,500, that's real money yet you listen to many in the media and expect to believe that they didn't benefit from that over 80% of americans benefited from the president's tax cuts yet most of them don't believe that. the other key part though and this is where we saw it happen in 2016, we saw it happen in other statewide elections. once it's clear, as to who the democrats are going to put up on the ballot, and we can see just how far out they are with traditional values in the state of wisconsin about people if they are able to work, being required to work about all other things part of the far far left these days i think that shifts towards the president. neil: do you know what's weird governor you and i talked about this before even though the tax cut did and i crunched the numbers eight out of 10 americans did get a tax cut, but fewer than five out of 10

believe they did, so that's an uphill message. the facts and statistics are with you we can argue about whether it was evenly distributed and don't want to go down that road but for that many to not even know or think they got a tax cut that they did gets back to what some democrats have been saying that it was so poultry that many didn't notice what do you think? >> well i wrote a piece in yesterday's washington times, i was going to say a local paper, i've written that too but yesterday in the washington times i encourage people to read because i mention that i think it was signed and then republicans stopped talking about it. i encouraged the president be it tonight or any other time he's in wisconsin or any other battleground state to bring up on the stage two or three families, just every day, all-american families and have them talk about how much because i think most of us because we don't get paychecks any more,

our paychecks get deposited directly into our bank account most people don't know how much they save from the tax cut. neil: well if there's a little bit more in that checking account, right? i guess it gets back to another general issue, governor if you'll indulge me here, the president the mueller hearings, the investigations as you know, a lot of it is former staff member, president staff members have been subpoenaed as witnesses to speak before the house judiciary and other committees. he said, quoting the president, the democrats are trying to win 2020. the only way they can maybe look out and i don't think it's going to happen is by constantly going after me on nonsense, but separate polls show americans at least want to hear some of these people out. they don't think that impeachment is the right process is he risking alienating them? >> no i think in the end when i talk to people it's one of the

nice things about being out and about these days, not being with a big team of government folks is that you talk to people and that's not what they're talking about. the people in washington are consumed with this discussion. the bottom line is people care about the economy, they care about their own economy more than anything, they care about whether they have a job or their wages are going up, they care about what their kids do and grandkids do, they care about for example, i think once people the president and others point out the ideas like bernie sanders medicare for all, could actually put medicare for senior s at risk by providing it to a larger group of voters out there. i think the more those issues are contrasted the more the people see that the promises of socialism fail. they promise prosperity, they deliver poverty, they see it realtime in places like venezuela, today when you make that contrast those are the

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neil: all right, it's a very very busy week for the russian president vladimir putin, first he was with north korea's kim jong-un in russia and then a meeting with china's president, xi-jinping in china so forget about this focus on the north korean leader what is putin up to is he just stirring the pot? let's get the read from our ambassador to germany, very good to have you thanks for coming. >> nice to see you, neil. neil: we have a slight delay

ambassador i apologize for that but it is good to have you let me ask you first about what you think putin is up to? >> well look i think he's got a lot of explaining to do. he certainly has to explain all of his actions going on in europe. here we've seen putin and the russians use chemical weapons on their opponents in the united kingdom. they've grabbed the land in ukraine right here in european soil. they're holding, they've been holding 24 ukrainian sailors for 153 days now as hostage. they shot down a passenger jet in ukraine killing 298 people. i think there's a lot of explain ing that he has to do. neil: i'm just wondering then in the case of north korea whether we can trust the north koreans right now if we see this guy hon knobbing with the leaders of china and russia. obviously he's trying to play the field here and i'm wondering

can you trust him to score a deal? >> well look the fact of the matter is you can't trust the north koreans right now, because they have sanctions against them , the international community has sanctions on them and we're trying to pressure and test to see if they can change their behavior so no, i think the answer is a bigot no." neil: let me go to another issue and given the political environment we're in, and you're openly gay, no one has a problem with that, the president clearly doesn't have a problem with that , leaders don't have a problem with that, but we've already heard from pete buttigieg who was saying that maybe vice president pence has a problem with that and maybe the religious right has a problem with that and maybe the republican party has a problem with that. you referred to it as sort of like a hate hoax. what did you mean by that? >> well look the only thing that i want to focus on is

knowing the vice president, knowing that he's a religious man. i know him personally. i can attest that i think i have some unique information when it comes to who he is and the fact of the matter is is that he doesn't hate anyone, and so what i wanted to do was step out and just give my personal assessment of someone that i know and someone that i respect as a man of god. he and his wife are both great christian people who don't have hate for anyone. let me also just say this, neil. i am leading a push, a new push, on an old u.s. policy which is to decriminalize homosexuality in the 71 countries around the world where it's criminalized, and the vice president, mike pence, supports this effort, and his office has been very helpful , and so i just wanted to step out and give my personal

viewpoint on a situation that i know and that i have a unique perspective on. neil: so the vice president has never treated you differently or looked at you differently, that you know of? >> no, no, he's a great friend of mine and we have a lot of subjects that we talk about, and we have a lot of shared values. neil: so when the wrath against republicans and obviously this is another point pete buttigieg was getting at aren't open to those who are gay you say? >> oh, look i think that that's an old question that's been answered lately. we've seen the last several years really both parties welcoming all sorts of different types of people. diversity and tolerance means that you welcome all sorts of different voices and that you don't always agree on everything but you welcome their voice and i think that's what we've seen from both parties for a long

time this is a non-issue. neil: if you'll indulge me still ambassador this was coming from franklin graham the religious pastor saying that the mayor says he's a gay christian. as a christian i believe the bible which defines homosexuality as a sin something together repented of, not flaunt ed or praised and the bible says marriage is between a man and a woman, not two men, not two women. what do you think of that? >> well look i'm a gay christian. i believe wholeheartedly in being an imperfect follower of christ. i think that has really nothing to do with the many gay christians who believe differently and i think that's what we should do is recognize that not everyone has the exact same view in these issues. neil: so i don't know the mayor 's political future but if he were the democratic nominee others hit him with there's no way this country would elect a

gay president. what do you think of that? >> i'm going to stay away from politics, neil. neil: probably a wise strategy. let me step back ambassador thank you for indulging me, it's in the news if you know. germany has come under some heat from the administration for not upping its military support to help fund nato. i had the polish prime minister here a couple of weeks ago and he was bemoaning that that it was putting a disproportion at own us on those who are meeting the 2% minimum requirement of their gdp to put toward military expenditures and the germans seem to make it clear not only are they going to stay at these levels below that figure but they won't change any time soon. what do you think of that? >> well one of the great things is we have a president whose very clear, president trump has been very clear that our nato allies should burden share, and the good news is is since 2016 we have seen $41 billion,

think about that. $41 billion more in defense spending for europe and canada because this president has made burden sharing a priority. the commitments from our european allies for 2020 is $100 billion, so this is in direct, this is a direct accomplishment of the president and the secretary of state, mike pompeo, who make this a priority , but there's no question that our allies need to commit to what they committed to nato. it's called the whales pledge in 2014 all of the nato members made this pledge, and what they said and what they promised nato is that they would deliver 2% of their gdp that they would spend on military defense. germany needs to do that. they have not done that yet. they have not made a verbal commitment that they can meet the pledge of 2% by 2024 and we will continue to pressure them

to meet the nato commitments. neil: we'll watch closely ambassador thank you for taking the time. good catching up with you. all right, in the meantime, we do have attorney general william barr whose on capitol hill next week how do you think that's going to go? [farmers bell] (driver) relax, it's just a bug. that's not a bug, that's not a bug! (burke) hit and drone. seen it, covered it. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪

neil: all right, we are getting some news out of the national rifle association, there have been a power struggle you might recall between oliver north

serving as president of the national rifle association chief , and wayne lapierre they have been going back and forth at each other and now oliver north is saying he has no mention of serving as second term as president and i believe la pierre argued there was a power struggle going on and what we do know is that oliver north has nixed a second term to be the head of that organization and the president just addressed yesterday. we'll keep you posted. meanwhile, the attorney general of the united states, william barr is expected to testify next week, but already in the warehouse democrats want to make sure that more trump officials are speaking up as the subpoena power struggle continues. as you might have heard the president is saying the subpoenas have gone out for many in his administration both past and present, to go before these various committees and he says he would a pose that, republican house judiciary committee member

debbie lesko joins us now. congresswoman can you hear me? this is one of those days where a lot of things are not going well but just to update you on that hopefully we'll connect the right wires with her. the president argued that the report is out. people have had a chance to read it, there's no point in getting various witnesses, we've talked to the robert mueller folks to then talk to those on capitol hill and these various committee representatives to explain what they said, don mcgann for example, the president's former top counsel they want to talk to him because he justified for more than 30 hours with robert mueller, and among the things he was repeating was that this off- mentioned story that the president wanted him to fire back in the days robert mueller. he said he would not do that and of course robert mueller was never fired and now the president denies he ever made that, and ever urged that.

the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein was defending the president and this investigation now back to the congresswoman on this hopefully have corrected things, congresswoman. what do you make of this back and forth over whether folks should testify? >> well, you know, the whole thing is quite frankly ridiculous. the american people want congress to get big issues done. we have social security saying they're basically going to run out of money next year and instead of working on these big issues, the democrats main focus , coordinated effort is to take out the president of the united states, to undermine him, and you can see it in every single committee including the judiciary committee which i serve on, chairman nadler doing subpoenas, the house intelligence committee, you know , putting out subpoenas maxine waters asking for banking information, i mean, this is a coordinated effort to undermine

the president of the united states, its been going on for two years ever since he's been elected, and they are obsessed they are absolutely obsessed -- neil: well you know, congresswoman they say no more obsessed than republicans were in going after hillary clinton and having her on capitol hill about e-mails, about benghazi you name it each party plays politics with it. do you think that's a fair criticism? i can't believe this we lost her again. we're go to break here guys i very much apologize for this. the president has been saying on this he is not going to budge. he's not going to give in and he doesn't see a reason to and that the american people are behind him. we shall see. we'll have more after this.

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they're on and you shut their mics down. as if. i don't even know how to put my own on but we apologize for that it has happened somewhere in the system here earlier this morning so i apologize for all of that and when it happens i know it's very very frustrating to me as well. meanwhile, the president said to meet with democratic leaders nancy pelosi and chuck schumer in the oval office, next week, and to work on something they could find a mutual agreement that is an infrastructure plan, but that might be easier said than done. what could we expect from all of this? joining me now, cpa and market analyst dan geltrude, we've also got jonas max ferris with us and michelle mckinnon. and it might be a political show , michelle but could they actually cobble together something that resembles an infrastructure plan? >> i mean it would be great news, neil because let's face it the only way we get long term economic growth is either a boom to the population and i'm childbearing years and i'm not

having kids any time soon. a lot of my millennial friends aren't having kids any time soon or we get productivity. neil: what would infrastructure have to do with whether you have kids or not? >> you get growth either population growth. neil: i've gotcha. >> or productivity. you get infrastructure and productivity you're in good shape. neil: jonas what do you think? >> a lot of kids are conceived in cars, you need roads for cars neil: i see now. >> wasn't that a parking lot? neil: we're a family show here. >> it's the charge of the car now because no electric charger is around so it'll pull over but i thought there was going to be an infrastructure plan right now because it was a, something both sides agree on it has the new deal qualities but also trump is a construction guy, so one thing he really is an employee pert on neil: expensive though. >> yeah, well i was hoping it would be some sort of plan with some private thing tolls playing for it borrowing money but the problem is there is no plan from either side people could get on

to. i think that's why it won't get done, not so much there could be agreement on it i just don't see a tangible large scale plan trump was talking about at first i think a trillion and a half dollar 10-year plan then down to a trillion. i don't think we'll get a few hundred billion and it needs to be in the teens because as you see in new york city some of these projects are tens of billions of dollars that are very small projects so for the whole country to really radically improve and get up to the standards of things going on in china and europe it would take that kind of money and there's no real tangible thing. neil: first of all i think we're in need of fixing a lot of roads and bridges and working on 5g and rolling out the network and utilities and the rest i get that but i also know just in roads and tolls we get from those we get 14.5 billion there, a highway trust fund, individual states at the federal level better than the $150 billion. i would first like to know where is that money going before we start piling more money in? >> well it's a good question neil as to where all of this money goes that we tax and it

seems to just disappear into the black hole. you know, in 2018 president trump made a suggestion and he said that let's go with a $0.25 increase in the gas tax to put towards infrastructure, specifically towards infrastructure. now, we haven't raised anything on fuel tax, federally, since 1993. federal fuel tax is only at 18.4 cents so we do -- neil: remember states should raise their own taxes but you're quite right. >> the average state is taxing fuel at $0.28 so there is some room there. now, i don't like taxes but infrastructure is critical, so we have to do something. i don't believe we're going to make cuts in other places to allocate the money, to infrastructure, so i think the best thing we may be able to do is a fuel tax. >> i disagree. i think that it needs to be more bonds. i honestly think it's financing,

we have extremely long, long term rates the 10 year is at 2.5 , the 30 year is at 3% now is the time to potentially get nor debt and finance this infrastructure. you get more infrastructure, you create more growth that's going to help pay down the debt. neil: so you argue it would pay for itself? >> yes. neil: just going ahead? >> as long as we invest in the right infrastructure. >> history has shown us that the federal government is not really too good at doing what you said. i do agree, look if you look at any business when they have capital improvement that way, they're going to look at financing, so in theory, you're right, from the standpoint of let's go about it that way but the federal government isn't fiscally responsible enough. neil: well a lot of states new jersey has the quasi public private partnerships where you raise some money and then businesses will kick in money after that, hope this brings eternal but usually doesn't deliver. >> i think that it's a myth that infrastructure pays for

itself for education spending those are all democrat myths along the line of republican saying all taxes pay for themselves. you do have to finance part of it yet there are deals that have obvious revenue source like road s, to airports. neil: people realize we have no money now right? >> i think trump would be more open to that and republicans hold him back from his plans because they don't like how he would finance them and they are always reminding them you're a republican you can't do that. neil: well they're fine with select training on that, they sent deficits soaring. >> right but as long as you're not raising taxes. neil: he signed off on it i'm not giving him a pass but i'm certainly not saying republicans are the white knights here. >> i would blame the party more than him for the deficit because they don't care what happened as long as you don't raise taxes. neil: all this happened with him controlling the white house and them controlling the house and the senate and they ran up debt at a pace so far faster than barack obama, and the democrats did. so i don't trust either party to

address it, leaving that said, this could be political cover as well, right? >> absolutely. neil: if you can say we met, we talked we discussed infrastructure, we discussed this, so that we're not all focused on mueller hearings or the wall and all of that to say that we can walk and chew gum at the same time. >> and trump did say that he wanted infrastructure, so he usually likes to say that he's good on what he says, i mean and he absolutely promised infrastructure, so -- neil: well the wall is infrastructure, right? >> i guess you could say it is but i don't think we'll be driving on the wall so i think really with our bridges and road s falling apart. neil: but make the grid more efficient all that that's part of that too right? >> sure it is look neil here is what the compromise is going to be both parties agree to spend more money and increase the national debt. that's not compromised but that's compromise in washington. neil: we shall see. all right, in the meantime, you know it is the spring so the good weather has returned right?

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neil: well i certainly hope that folks in chicago didn't put away all their winter clothes just yet. maybe even their shovels just yet, because the windy city is about to become a very snowy city. rick richmuth has been tracking all of this telling us earlier and i didn't believe him but i guess it's here now isn't it? rick: so i'm not worried about feet of snow, neil. i heard you saying it i'm not worried about feet of snow. neil: well that's good. rick: i'm trying to make it a little bit better to soft epidemic the blow. neil: inches maybe. rick: i'm go like maybe 4-6 inches so it'll be a little bit better than that but yeah you see this dividing line of

the warm and the cold. the cold is in place not that that cold just yet but it'll get a little bit colder over the next couple hours. we had a big storm move across the eastern seaboard yesterday, a lot of severe weather in the mid atlantic behind it by the way it's a beautiful day not the case across upstate new york colder air coming in we've got a little bit of snow right now but the bigger storm is just getting going here right across the central part of the country areas of iowa and minnesota where we're seeing rain convert into snow, probably not cold enough just yet on the ground for it to stick right away but it will eventually especially on the grassy surfaces roads we're not as worried about but towards this evening we've got snow falling in chicago throughout parts of michigan a little bit in detroit by tomorrow morning snow moving in places across erie, pennsylvania , much of upstate new york and then this gets out of here by sunday evening into monday. we're not talking about a wide swath that's going to see accumulating snow but you see

right here this little stripe that goes right through the chicago area and across parts of indiana and southern michigan where i think we'll see the accumulating snow so it's a small area but latter part of april you certainly don't like to see that. here is your temps today 42 you'll get to in chicago eventually cooling down a little bit but tomorrow you're back to 49 so whatever snow you had is going to quickly melt plus that very high sun angle that we have won't allow that snow to stick around for very long get towards monday up in the 50s, but yeah, neil we've got a little bit of snow to get through on a weekend maybe one last little cozy day at home watching netflix or right here, stay tuned to us. neil: fox news, more fox news, sure, sure. thank you very very much. you're the best, i think. all right in the meantime we told you a little bit earlier about colonel oliver north announcing he will not serve as second term as president of national rifle association apparently the guts of the meat of the detail saying he believes the committee should be set up to review the nra's finances and

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and receive your free information kit. so, what's your "better?" >> all right. well, the 2020 democratic candidates and that also refers to the 2020 democratic candidates there, 2020 of them running. there are not more than 2000 candidates, just you wait. they're crisscrossing the country and trying to prove they're the most fit to become the next president of the united states. ga gillian turner has been mapping it out. >> good afternoon, neil. today three of the 2020 democratic candidates, eric swalwell, tulsi gabbard and andr andrew yang are in iowa and

they're at the world reaching forum. bills itself giving rural voters the opportunity to raise the issues that matter most with the candidates directly. halfway across the country, six other dems in las vegas duking it out for rising income inequality. kamala harris, clamy klobuchar, beto o'rourke, and julian castro. it's been a challenging week in the wake of former vice-president joe biden entering the race after speculation and instantly raising a whopping 6.3 million dollars. several of the candidates sent out e-mails pleas trying to match biden's haul and president trump jumped into the fray in characteristic form. >> i feel like a young man, i'm still young. i can't believe it, i'm the youngest person--

i'm a young vibrant man. i look at joe, i don't know about him. i don't know. >> if he looks young and vibrant compared to me, i should probably go home. [laughte [laughter] >> look, everybody knows who donald trump is and the best way to judge me is to watch, see if i have the energy and the capacity. >> despite feigning indifference, president trump has privately been fretting to aides about biden's candidacy for weeks according to multiple sources. and biden didn't hold back, casting himself opposed to trump in almost every way, morals, policy and perhaps even spiritual grounds. neil: thank you very, very much. a very young gillian turner reporting. >> not as young as you, neil. neil: oh, please if that were true. >> not nearly as young as you. neil: it's a challenge, but i try to get through it, gillian. thank you very much.

let's get the read on this age issue whether it matters this time. and the 2020 advisory board member, we've got kathy back with us, and jen collins, a family physician. doctor, if i can get to you, what do you look for when a candidate's a certain age or we all do, a certain age, you know, it's always said you lose your-- maybe you forget more things and when does it kick in? please tell me it's a year older than-- >> there's no one size fits all and that's probably the best thing about it, right? is that everyone is so different. and i always say, you know, age is just a number in many ways. i literally saw a 99 and a half-year-old patient and he's mentally better than so many 60, 70 year olds. neil: and in the 50's, 60's,

most of the presidents in that age range, that it's different than mid 70's. >> there are differences and there should be. we should be different people from when we're 50 to when we're 70, but it doesn't necessarily rule in or out anything. neil: but there are rigors to this office. >> there are, but that's why people have to be judged not only on their mental capacity, but fitness. everyone's fitness level is different, it's genetically determined, and medications that they're taking, to say there's a moment or cut-off when things change, that's false. neil: my staff tells me that every day, like, nicknames like pops, mr. mcgoo, i don't need that. >> you tell them you don't need that. neil: we forget though, kathy, age is a number in this respect. sometimes we get it wrong. some we elect is young and we know in retrospect that john f.

kennedy was dealing with addison's disease and a host of illnesses in his early 40's. it can hit anyone at anytime. >> it's funny because the person who is the most hip, the hippest guy is bernie sanders. everyone feels the bern and he gets the millennials excited. he's the oldest one running. it's amazing. neil: i get that here. the hunk thing and all of that stuff. >> and everyone at fox calls you the hunk. neil: pretty much. >> that's a given. but it's a gender thing because when it came to age, hillary clinton, remember, she couldn't get out of the car, and falling over a little bit. so it was a woman thing. they're not talking about. with the men it's bernie is hip and-- >> believe me, they see the guy having trouble getting out of the car they would have seized on it. >> we heard about hillary. neil: it didn't happen. depends on the video. what do you make of this? >> i would agree with the doctor for a different reasons. constitutionally speaking, for

voters the most important criteria in evaluating a president that he is the commander-in-chief, he or she is commander-in-chief of the military and supreme court appointments. when we as voters are evaluating a candidate we shouldn't be playing identity politics that the democratic left is doing. neil: should age be a factor. >> not at all. neil: in retrospect, the final couple of years of franklin roosevelt's life, how much he was hurting and incredible, you know, intestinal fortitude. would that have changed people's mind of reelecting him for a fourth term? >> i don't think so. it depends what a president actually accomplishes. if you're looking at the age of a pilot of an airplane, age, gender shouldn't matter. if should be they're flying safely. neil: we don't have a lot of older, 70, 80-year-old pilots. >> it depends, fitness is an apt term for that. if we look at--

>> there are general rules of thumb, some industries, over 65-- >> that's why you have the voters that have the individual values. this it they want to factor that in, but i don't think a specific rule of thumb. neil: what do you look for, doctor, when you look at some-- i'm sure you decide, well, the candidate as a doctor, and making a political judgment, this one seems to forget a lot. and this one-- >> well, first of all i'd caution about that number one. i doubt that we're seeing enough with the snippets that we see on tv first to make that judgment. i think it's probably erroneous to see that we can see the bits and pieces that we do and decide exactly where really someone is. that's one thing i know about being a doctor, you can't always judge a book by its cover. let me be clear about that. the first thing and bring up the point, i know we agree on this, but the idea of ageism, that's what we're talking about ageism is discriminatory, the bottom line. the idea of judging someone's ability or discriminating against them or for them because of their age, that's something

that is ageist and-- >> should we be aware of it? and that's the most pressure cook are job in the world. >> what we should be aware of their mental capacity and physical fitness. the ability to complete the job. once again going back to my 99-year-old and not running for president, but, he has got the mind of a 60-year-old, where someone who is 65 may not. it's about the person. >> and that really hurt joe biden, he started out his campaign on apology tour, apologizing for being an older white man, ageism, sexism and-- >> why apologize? i'm not going to apologize for being a millennial. you know? any of that. neil: you should. >> but i'm not the hunk like you, so that's okay. >> and john f. kennedy, mix in, that comparison, and hurt nixon. neil: they were you feel r the same age, people forget that. >> that's funny, he didn't want to wear the makeup, he looked sick, he looked old and then

john f. kennedy, put on some powder. neil: and appearances do count for a lot, but you also start wondering as to how-- are they up to the quick decisions they have to make? does any of that go at a certain age or the response time is longer? >> you know, i would say that, as a general rule, as we get older, to forget things here and there is not more uncommon, but remember that has no necessary bearing on things like dementia and other cognitive deficits, which is really what you're talking about. neil: and you're too young, but remember, they were raising this with ronald reagan in reelection '84, he turned the tables on them by saying with walter mondale i wasn't going to hold my opponent's youth and inexperience against him and made a joke out of it. but it was raised then that maybe he was losing his attention to detail and all that. what do you look for? >> and this is where i keep going back to. sometimes there's nothing to look for. that's the point. we can't look at someone now and

say they're this age, by the time they get this age, it's going to be a problem. we cannot do that. which is the very point behind the idea that some people live to 103 with no problems, can run around this block with no problems. there are 55-year-old who couldn't do the same. it's not predictable in that way and we have to take each candidate for himself, because these are men that we're talking about. neil: and the two democratic frontrunners, joe biden and bernie sanders, combine i think about 800 years old. >> give and take. neil: and does it-- many of the base told me that worries them. forget whether they're older white males. the image it will have for voters, that this is the best the party could do. it might be perfectly sound. >> right. neil: but there are a lot of younger people in this race as well. >> right. neil: what do you make of that. >> weren't born in 1972 when biden was running. so, but the thing that's funny that bernie sanders is right next to alexandria ocasio-cortez

when it comes to views. and the ideas fresh when it comes to age. neil: and too young, people criticized john f kennedy, wait your turn, 42 years old. barack obama, you're 45 years old. >> that's inspiring. look how great it is, it tells us regardless who wins the presidency, you certainly can run. i mean, you can run. neil: it's not easy. >> and that's the greatest that the party has. it should be that the individual candidate, that that is a great american regardless of age, regardless of anything else. neil: fair enough. i notice you guys praise older people and i deeply appreciate that. >> we respect that, coming from a 29-year-old host. neil: there you go. you're so coming back. [laughter] >> we're getting more details about exactly what bernie sanders was saying when he said if you're in jail you should

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>> you have said that you believe that people with felony records should be allowed to vote while in prison. does this mean that you would support enfranchising people like the boston marathon bomber? >> i think the right to vote is inherent to our democracy. yes, even for terrible people. neil: all right. that surprised a lot of folks because it it's one thing to advocate those who served their

time to vote. but those who are still in prison, including the guy who master minded the boston attacks some years back, the former superintendent and chief of the boston police department was also the incident command are during that boston marathon bombing. daniel, what do you think of that? >> yeah, i think, you know, in 1868, the 14th amendment clearly defined you can't deny somebody or abridge somebody's right to vote unless they participate in rebellion or other crime. it's in the constitution you have a right to vote and you also have a responsibility to maintain that right. so a social contract in our society that you're going to pursue life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and do that as long as you don't negatively impact somebody else with criminal activity. very much taking somebody's liberty by itself is taking away their right to be free, but society allows that because somebody's behavior is a danger to others and needs to be

changed. that being said, our justice department seems to be both punitive in some cases and restorative in other cases, so, while i don't support voting rights for folks who are serving their sentence, it's part of the loss they gave up when they violated the social contract. i do support fully once somebody is back out and paid the debt to society they're allowed to engage in the democratic process and the community again. neil: that's what i first thought the senator was referring to, when they're out and served their time and done their time, yeah, you can have rights restored, vote again. but he was actually talking about, you know, one of the tsarnayev brothers who survived, one of the perpetratoe erors be the attack in boston, in prison right now doing that time, let him vote. >> yeah, i would disagree with a that. we have other rights that we lose due to our actions, you, i have a second amendment right, people have a second amendment right to bear arms. if you're a convicted felon we take that right away from you.

there's a right for religious freedom, however, there are times when the courts stepped in and said that particular religious freedom is not appropriate and it's unconstitutional and can be criminalized if the activity is involved in religious freedom is a criminal event. we have rights and responsibility where we have to maintain our ability to keep those rights. neil: and i apologize for throwing an open-ended question at you, but obviously, it was said to reach out to the disenfranchised and those serving time in prison, that this is a population long ignored by society, shouldn't be ignored by society. they're american citizens, for the most part, and they should be seen as such. that's, i think, what he was getting at. >> and i think, i agree that our society and our system needs to change. we have a disparate impact on the justice system on communities of color. i think it should be focused on

providing school, educational institutions, the ability for people to have jobs and have a way to prevent themselves from getting involved in the system to begin with. i think, but you know, we have to deal with the system we have, but keeping people from getting into the system is probably where i'd rather see our efforts put forward as opposed to the conversation we're having about those who are behind bars having the ability to vote. neil: you know, the mood and the attitude here is that this would be seen as rewarding bad behavior. do you worry about that? >> absolutely. you know, there has to be consequences for actions and you're also-- has to be a reward for, you know, going in, being involved in the system, getting out and coming back into society. your reward, you're restored to your level of rights, your level of abilities to completely be involved in our democratic process. neil: all right. we'll watch this closely. struck a lot of folks, even within the democratic party as

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instances in history where jail was the ultimate outcome for refusing to follow a subpoena that was lawfully given by congress. we know that congress does have the power to do so and in this instance, in the oversight committee, one of the additional steps that chairman cummings did that has not been done in the past was that subpoenas were first debated and voted on before they were actually issued. which was done in this case, with regard to mr. klein for the white house security clearance issues that were going in, as well as some of the others. neil: what of some of those who are concerned about this on your committee. let's say don mcgann, the former white house chief counsel, more than 30 hours to the mueller team, and allegedly relayed the story that the president was urging him to fire bob mueller. what if he's concerned about other details that might come

out in a public venue and i'd prefer this to be a closed session meeting. you would say what? >> sure, in the past, if you look at recent hearings we've had, especially cohen, there were areas in terms of our questioning we did not go into because we knew there were ongoing investigations. and the committee did a job of vetting the questions asked and restricting those to the areas that cannot be touched because they're ongoing investigations going on. members of congress, we have a concern that justice is done so we're going to follow those instructions and ensure that the information that comes out publicly is only the information that the public is allowed to hear. neil: do you think, congresswoman, i know, looking forward to hearing from the attorney general, bill barr, that he misrepresented the findings of the mueller report? others have said the bullet points that he did point out, but now you've got the report. >> right. neil: and rod rosenstein, the attorney general saying as much.

do you believe that? >> i was concerned, i worked at the justice department during the ashcroft administration there under george-- president george w. bush and there were no instances where attorneys would get ahead of reports in the manner in which he did. it really reeks of partisanship as well as a political ploy. that's very concern as an attorney for him to have done so. neil: i understand that, ma'am, i'm not being clear. >> others say that he did characterlize the points down to no, you know, decision one way or the other on obstruction, that is given credit for, what do you think about that. >> i think what he did, he picked and choose what he did. it was very subjective. as you can see, he took half of a statement and not the full statement. yes, he did say that there was no decision made in obstruction. and that that question is tossed to congress, but i think that the fact that, did if you look at the totality of the press

conference, it was skewed in one way which makes it problematic. neil: let me step back. we're told there's a rift among some democrats, the leadership concerned getting too involved in these hearings will make it look like republicans looked going after bill clinton and boom boomeranged on the party. >> i'm not one calling for impeachment. i'm calling for investigation and i have the same concerns and part of my concerns is relate today the media that they have not been looking at so much of the legislation that we have been picking up in this time period. now, they are not talking about the fact that we're looking at prescription drugs or health care issues or infrastructure. i just came from around the country talking about infrastructure. my own district of the virgin islands as well as puerto rico, we're really still looking in terms of recovery, and legislation related to that. so i'm hopefully that while we investigate, the media will take note of the fact that we're still legislating at the same

time. we can do both and there's so much work that the other committees are doing while we're in the majority that i'm hopeful that congress that that will be seen by our constituents as well. neil: i also know you're very busy, congressman and unable to watch my entire show or shows. we have got ten into all of those issues. >> i'm grateful for that. neil: you're right we should balance it out. let me finally get your take on the president's take on this and that roux it remains a witch hunt, that democrats didn't get what they wanted out of the report it's all about humiliate the president, humiliate the president. what do you make of that? >> in terms of the report, we haven't gotten the whole report, there are parts that are redacted. neil: you have 90%. 10% redacted. >> the second portion, the second half relate today obstruction still leaves a lot of questions open because the president never responded to the questions relate today

obstruction, he only wrote questions-- responded to the questions related to the russia portion of the investigation. as well as the questions that we still have related to the emoluments clause and campaign finance among others. neil: do you think that the president obstructed justice? >> i think there was substantial evidence that pointed to obstruction of justice, that's very concerning and because we would like to be clear in that assessment is why we're looking to continue the investigation and question those witnesses ourselves which is what the mueller asked us to do. neil: if you think that there's obstruction of justice, that's high crimes and misdemeanor, it's an impeachable offense. >> it could be an impeachable offense and as you know, high crimes and misdemeanor has never been defined in the constitution and that's something for congress to do. neil: you're right. >> that's something we're hopeful we could do. i don't think that we should go in with a fait accompli that that's the case. i think that we should look the a the bread and butter issues

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>> we did not pay money for our great otto. there was no money paid. there was a fake news report that money was paid. i haven't paid money for any hostage and i've gotten approximately, i think it's 20 or 21 out. neil: all right. so, no money paid to get the young man released. of course he later died when he was returned home. joining me now is the former special enjoy for the six party talks we had in north korea. joseph, very good to have you. >> thank you, neil. >> no money was paid. maybe the north koreans sent a bill and we didn't pay it. what did you make of that? >> as the president said, no money was paid, but if north korea did send us a bill, it goes beyond the pale even by north korea standards. totally insulting, very, very insensitive on their part. i mean, that really is beyond the pale. neil: it does say a lot to your point about the north koreans and their mindset whether you

can trust them on anything, let alone with what's happening on the new deal and whether we'd ever see one. but have you ever heard like that? i mean, money for hostages is one thing. but money for suspect medical care over the course of a few months at $2 million. that's quite another, right? >> that is another thing, neil. no question about it. look, north korea is always looking for money. we-- i was very much involved with the release of the two american journalists in 2009. certainly no money was passed to north korea in that regard. obviously when you have a delegation going in, they charge you for hotels, meals, but nothing of that type. neil: so, let's say it was paid and no one said it was, is that money for hostages in the classic sense? or is all of this just a, no pun intended, a trumped up charge? >> you know, neil, i've never seen any of that with north korea. and that's why i'm saying, it

would be totally insensitive even by their standards if they gave us a bill for the return of otto warmbier who came back in a comatose state and a few days after his return he passed away. so, i just can't-- but, again, it's -- north korea does some stupid things and it's not inconceivable that they actually did something like that. neil: you know, i'm just wondering your view on these ongoing negotiations or lack thereof, i guess. we've seen kim jong-un meeting with vladimir putin. he's got another powwow planned with the leader of china. is he just sort of hedging his bets, trying to stick it to us? how do you describe it? >> i think you captured that, neil. there's a lot of symbolism here. in seven years never met with putin and russia doesn't have that much leverage of north korea. about 1% of north korea's trade is with russia. they take some petroleum product

so this is putin trying to show he's on the stage, that he's a player and kim jong-un making it clear that he has options, obviously, with china and now russia. so a lot of symbolism here, neil. but the key is the united states. north korea needs a normal relationship with the united states that will give them everything that kim jong-un wants. i think a lot of this other, if you will, approaches to putin, et cetera, i think a lot of that is symbolism and i think an effort to pressure the united states, to show that kim jong-un has other options so therefore, we need to be more responsive to his needs and what he's dictating. i think he's going too far. his criticism of secretary of state mike pompeo or national security advisor john bolton. too far, shouldn't be going down that path. neil: you don't want to get on those guys bad saide.

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>> all right. i had this good doctor on earlier. you don't mess with her. she's back with a warning and all of your parents who don't think it's a wise idea to vaccinate your kids with the measles. we've got record cases measles breaking out and back, doctor, you're saying that's a big mistakes and yields this. >> my gosh, not getting your children vaccinated and not vaccinating yourself, we're seeing the consequences with the measles outbreak continuing on and on and on. you know, measles is a vaccine preventible disease. two vaccines of the measles shot will give you protection. why we're seeing the cases, there's lots of cases throughout

the world, okay. people will travel there, pick it up or someone from there with come here and pockets of unvaccinated people here, and spreads like wildfire. neil: if you had the vaccination would you be exposed to the new pockets of measles. >> if you have the vaccination or fully protected, no, you're safe. that's why we say it's important to get vaccinated. neil: a lot of people are worried about damaging side effects and autism. >> let's talk about it. neil: i knew you'd get-- >> i'm excited that you brought it up. mmr or measles, mumps and rubella vaccine is associated with autism-- it's one of the biggest myths, we know without a shadow of a doubt that vaccines do not cause autism. it's not valid. it's a myth and a lie that

became rampant. so the idea that vaccines are not safe or effective is not true. yes, there are-- >> there's a low percentage of people where problems crop up. >> that's like anything. there are people who have problems with acetaminophen or tylenol. nothing is 100% with medicine. there are some people who shouldn't get the vaccine and it's a live virus vaccine, may have problems or allergies, but we expect that with pretty much everything. neil: if you have the case of the measles now, will the vaccine help you? >> so if you have a case of the measles right now, first of all, you're likely going to be conifered immunity once you get over this. there are some treatments you may be able to undergo and c.d.c. has written about this and public health departments are involved with things like this. the idea we want to get the vaccine before we're exposed to measles. a lot of people who can't get the vaccines for different reasons, either they're too young and certain babies can't

get them. people with certain conditions. not getting vaccinated puts others at risk, cancer patients, with weakened immune systems. neil: i got the flu shot and i got the flu. >> that's not right. that's not right because the flu shot does not give you the flu. that's the seconds biggest vaccine myth. the first is that vaccines cause autism. neil: and i got stick later, but the shot didn't do it, but-- >> that's the key. let's talk about it then. a couple of reasons, one is what we call coincidental exposure, you got the flu shot and the virus at the same time. it takes a few days for the virus to incubate and you get sick. it takes two weeks for the flu shot to get effective. you get the flu shot today and you get sick tomorrow. it's not because the flu shot gave it to you, it takes two weeks to buildup. and it doesn't cover all strains of the influenza virus. and other bugs that feel like the flu and are actually not. in all of those situations, it's

not the shot getting you sick, it's coincidental exposure. and c.d.c. reported the flu season is still going on, we're still seeing flu cases, see how hot and bothered you got me. neil: and i may have raised the wrong subject. doctor, i didn't mean to get you all riled up. don't want to get on this woman's wrong side here. >> don't mess with me with vaccinations. neil: a lot more coming up, including the president's lecture to the federal reserve and now the guy who wants toer is of on it lectures those who don't want in. after this. walking around here in their hundreds. so how do you stay financially well for all those extra years? well, you have to start planning as early as possible. we all need to plan, for 18 years or more, of retirement. i don't have a whole lot saved up, but i'm working on it now. i will do whatever i need to do. plan your financial life with prudential.

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it shouldn't be a tough vote. neil: no one has asked you to withdraw, keep fighting. >> no, but look-- >> have you said that you would-- if i'm too much of a detriment, i'll step down now? >> sure of course, it's not worth the republicans losing two or three seats to walk the plank for me. neil: that was steve moore, the president's candidate to serve on the federal reserve, as you know. his other candidate herman cain stepped down in the growing republicans saying you're not our cup of tea. he pulled himself from consideration and steve moore still up to fight and says the administration is still up to the fight with him. michelle, and jonas max ferris, and dan what do you think about this? >> i think as long as steven moore can count he will be okay. that's all this is about. it's about will he have enough senators to get him through. and unlike herman cain who early out of the box had four senators

say it's a no-go, he was dead on arrival. neil: and all democrats would vote against him and then you can't lose more than three. >> and they will. so far no one has come out against steven moore so he's still in the game. larry kudlow says assuming he passes the fbi background check they're behind him 100%. neil: and i think there's a bigger issue here and that is putting people on the federal reserve who don't speak fed speak or typically federal reserve governor and-- >> i don't think it's typical because i actually do like the fact of having people on the federal reserve that are businessmen, that are business women, that are not ph.d.'s, i think it's important to have all sides here. i just, i hate that the fed is almost becoming politicalized because-- i just, the moment we start turning this into a game of politics, i think we're in trouble. neil: and it wasn't the rap fairly against steve moore, fairly or not, that he would do

the president's bidding and make this a political institution, a lot of people insist it is, but that he was a little too-- >> if he was doing the president's bidding, and that might set interest rates and his is to tie the interest rates to the commodities prices. and that's separate from the white house. actually his main platform is separate from the-- >> he's backtracked that talk about a gold standard and the rest. the bottom line, he's seen as a bull in the china shop. i don't know if that's right or fair, but he doesn't fit the cookie cutter mold. >> the press already hates them, but the irony hates him for his women comments and not for his strange stance on how you set interest rates, where the criticism should be. he's not up for the supreme court where your opinions on women are relevant because of things you're doing. you're setting interest rates. and as we talked about i have

problems setting interest rates based on commodities, that's a flawed system and would lead you to raise interest rates. neil: and inflation increasing, dan, would you go against the president's wishes? no president likes interest rates going up and hike rates in that environment? he said of course i would if that were the case. >> i don't know if he would or won't because he has changed positions over time, neil. the most troubling thing he have' seen him say is going back to 2008 when we were in the financial crisis, and he was-- he was saying that interest rates should be raised at that point, which ultimately, he went back and said, you know. neil: and he was against quantitative easing, which is historically unprecedented move. so he challenged things and many have said jerome powell you could say missed the impact of his own interest rate hikes and the president argues that hurt the recovery.

people could be wrong. >> people are often wrong. it's really hard to get it right and we still don't know if we've gotten it right. some analysts say we have, some say we haven't in terms of quantitative easing. i think it's helped. it's hard to predict the future. neil: the president is saying now in retrospect and a big rally in wisconsin tonight talking this up, the economy is becoming 2.3% growth and we would have had higher growth if the federal reserve was not hiking rates. his pitch is going to be, this is the wind at my back and your back. this is going on and it's a enviable economy. >> if it ain't broke, don't fix it. the fred should be sitting back and quite frankly doing nothing for interest rates. neil: if you're getting numbers like that one. >> there's no reason to move interest rates at this point in my opinion. neil: really? jonah. >> if we had slightly lower interest rates, the economy would be hotter, that's true. that doesn't mean that these are good ways to set interest rates. the federal reserve is a flawed institution that make mistakes,

these solutions are worse than what the fed does. going to a standard to set money and policy based on gold prices is back. is he getting unfairly harangued? warren buffett has a 40 years history of making sexist jokes, and they're funnier than steven moore, being a cad is not on interest rates setting. it's not a good reason of being interest rate setting-- >> what do you think of the market backdrop. we're early on in the earnings period. but most think that it's going to be a contracting quarter. looks like up quarter, not as much as previous quarters, but impressive. >> and march sales up 1.6%. the consumer is healthy, the consumer is strong and i think that's going to absolutely move this economy forward. neil: what do you think? >> i think the economy is strong. the path that we're on right now, neil, i don't see anything that's going to have any

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>> president trump is heading to wisconsin today where he will hold a make america great again rally in green bay tonight. one day after the speech to the n.r.a. and welcome to america's news headquarters from washington, i'm kristin fisher. leland: nice to be with you, nice to be with you at home. a little bit of news out of the n.r.a. speech, we'll get to that in a minute. the president is golfing with japanese prime minister shinzo abe at this hour. ellison barber live from the white house. it's so windy they had to hop in the motorcade rather than take marine one out