mark is up next. see you next sunday on the next revolution. it will be televised. hello america, i mark live in. this is life, liberty and levin. attorney general ken, it's good to be with you. >> you are attorney general of virginia. you had a big landmark case you are well known, not just in conservative circles and legal circles, you had a great

week and i thought it was very important have you here. >> there's a lot going on. we need to work our way through this. let's go back to the report. this report that came out, the mueller report, two sections, one section was legal, no collusion, that's two words last time i checked and it goes on and on and it reads completely differently and that's the so-called obstruction section. couple questions on this issue, one of the individuals who was involved in running this report was the number two guy. he was involved in the prosecution of arthur anderson. as a result he went out of business, 80000 people lost their jobs.

and that was focused on obstruction of justice and expanded definition. the statute is the supreme court told us has two elements. you need to know what you're doing. it's a specific crime. you need to have knowledge. so you need to have knowledge that you have a criminal motive, a corrupt purpose. and so they were reversed, but arthur anderson already went out of business, it was a 920 decision, it was 12 pages long. he's expanding his views of

obstruction. if you are a prosecutor and mueller believes even though the department of justice was that you can't indict a sitting president, he told attorney general bar, he didn't have an obstruction case because i didn't hold him back, did it. they focused on language that talks about the department of justice, bipartisan and they focus on that and he also said on that volume two that that didn't hold them back, that what they were saying was without regard to that policy, they didn't have a case to make. that's what a prosecutor does. they decide to prosecute or not. here they went beyond that but

clearly on that question, they knew they didn't have a prosecution to go forward with. >> when we hear hillary clinton, we hear these titles that they get, they don't know the law, do they. >> is very true. if mueller wanted to bring a case, he said he could've brought a case but if he had brought the case he would've lost and lost badly. >> that's why he didn't bring the case. >> volume two goes beyond the legal analysis. that is not what i read there. i read a lot more political results into what the writing. you could say he's writing for congress, beating congress

into maybe impeachment proceedings, but with so many facts laid out, because it is long being almost 450 pages, we know a lot now and there just isn't anything there that comes anything close to a criminal standard. so if congress wants to proceed, they have to do it on the clinical basis that mueller put in the second part of the report, and it is political, just like you said. >> it's interesting, the attorney general, and the deputy attorney general and the office of legal counsel which is still a civil servant and other legal offices at the department of justice looked at the information and they said there's no case here. based on what the supreme court had said, based on law and they were said to basically have been sellouts. we move into the political,

line two is written for the political. but see if you agree with me. what does the prosecutor's office know when they were writing volume two. they knew democrats could take the house of representatives. what else did they know. they knew bar had told the senate judiciary committee that i'm in a try and release as much of this is like can. i'll hold back. he wasn't required to turn over anything but he said but, emily tried eternal rest much as i can. the prosecutor's office knew that democrats control the house and the reports can be released. find two has very little redacted information, almost none. so who are they writing it for? they weren't writing it for the department of justice, the writing it for the media the chairman of these committees and their running wild,

politically. that's what i want to get to with you. you have all lease subpoenas being thrown out. nadler pushed out how many, premolar report he puts out 81 with no explanation for what they're for. family members, business associates, homeless people, i don't know, he puts all kinds of documents he wants, then we have elijah cummings with the house oversight and reform committee. he's gone jan going after the president's taxes, his accountant, and not just that, they want all notes and medications and everything between the president when he was a private citizen, his family members and another committee headed by maxine waters at financial services or whatever, they want all the bank account information so they're sitting there, coordinating. >> to do what.

>> personal distraction, destruction. >> under our constitution, article one, is that a legitimate role for the united states congress? >> of course not. they can issue for legislative purposes and oversight purposes. nadler started this whole ball rolling with his 81 subpoenas. none of the folks who got those subpoenas were given either of those reasons. they were very generic and people have already started saying i'm not turning anything over to you. i'm not coming. very they are refusing, and on the record so far, they would win those contests. there is no basis for congress to issue these yet. nadler isn't willing to say you are pursuing impeachment or considering impeachment, he's not saying that. that is quite a redline to step over. even pelosi, their majority

leader has been trying to talk their people down from. they are unwilling to absorb the political cross of crossing that line. if you are in the president's team, one of the things that gun very low coverage, they didn't claim executive privilege one single time. your member the clinton impeachment process, setting politics aside, they used executive privilege all the time. >> that's exactly right. they were creating brand-new fres fresh ones and they didn't refuse, providing any witnesses, the president didn't sit down to be interviewed, he did answer written questions and read very straightforward and honestly and therefore they've got no coverage because they

don't give anybody anything to scope fires with. they've been incredibly open with mueller during the investigation. we know how he feels about this investigation. now we know even more, not just that it was a witchhunt but that it undermined the would intimacy of his presidency and yet they turned over a million dock documents, they made everyone a available and so now you've got congress coming in and the president is saying no, no, we cooperated one 100% more than anybody else in our lifetime. nixon didn't cooperate. [inaudible] but here's the thing, the president dealing with his own

administration, now you have a separation of powers issue, now is the time where you can assert privilege. nadler says too late, you didn't assert it during the other investigation. is he constitutionally illiterate? now are talking about separation of powers. doesn't the president have an obligation. the president doesn't report to the house of representatives. he represents the american people. >> and that's an excellent point. everybody personalizes, it's human nature, they personalize the presidency. that's donald trump right now. before it was barack obama. the presidency is its own office, it has its own article in the constitution and in addition to protecting himself

, the president also has an obligation to protect the presidency and establishing precedents of feeding ground to the article one branch is something that all of his successors would have to live with. >> if congress gets away with this, what's to stop them from subpoenaing the chief justices bank records. >> nothing. >> or anybody that don't like or any citizen there focused on and trying to harass. their bank accounts, their tax returns, whatever, i have to believe if this ever gets to the supreme court, those gentlemen and ladies should be thinking about it because there are some congresses that are hostile about it. before we do, ladies and jelena, don't forget you can join me on levintv almost every weeknight go to blaze tv.com/mark to sign up, or give us a call, 844 levintv

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it's pretty obvious mueller new relatively early on in his investigation there was no collusion, no collaboration so why did he tell the american

people. >> well, perhaps the most political aspect of this report is that it didn't come seven months earlier. if it had come seven months earlier, a different party might still be in control of the house of representatives. let's be clear about that. they were more or less done with their information gathering that early. it was a question of wrapping it up. like you said, there was no evidence of collusion. really, at any point. we sought information come out slowly in indictments and witnesses would talk and so forth, and there was never anything as someone who managed a team of prosecutors, there was never anything that pointed to actual intentional operation, knowing cooperation between any american. we've all focused on the trump campaign, but this report noted that no american that they identified cooperated,

you're sitting here and watching this history hysterical media about collusion, collusion, tearing down the presidency, burdening the president, and they wanted to interview him knowing full well there was no collusion and the conclusion that i come up with. it's a game of gotcha. i do agree. i thought it was was smart for him not to sit down with this investigation and i pointed out how they cooperated in every way. they gave him documents, everybody in the white house was available but the

president didn't sit down and wasn't directly interviewed, nor should he have been under these circumstances. >> and the reason they should issue a subpoena, you need some kind of predicate but there is no collusion. >> no, of course they included the written answers the president gave to the questions which has gotten zero coverage because they were so straightforward and frankly, logical to anybody who goes through and read them all, there's nothing to punch holes in. they said in the introduction, we wanted to sit down with him, we tried for a year to get an interview but really we gathered all of our other information we didn't feel like we needed to do that anymore and it wasn't worth the hassle. so they more or less conceded that they could come, they had more than enough information to draw what conclusions they did draw and if you're the president, there's nowhere to go but down with that interview. why do it.

>> if you're the prosecutor you would lose if you press the case. president allows him to testify to the prosecutors, not in front of the grand jury by the way but that means the white house knew that none of this would be redacted. 30 hours, that's a lot of time. >> it is a lot of time. >> how much in the report. >> less than a page for what happened almost 30 hours. >> apparently nothing very interesting. >> isn't that interesting. >> is easy to throw these numbers out for people who aren't lawyers, who don't do depositions, and eight hour deposition is a marathon. and when you have a point at the heart of why you are interviewing this deponent,

you come out it 20 different ways in eight hours and they were with him for 30 hours and all we see is the exchange about the president wanted to fire the special counsel, don mcgann didn't want the special counsel fired, and that's pretty much it. the president didn't fire him so we know how that argument turned out. >> let's break this out. this is very important. in a report that is really not legal, volume two, no grand jury and there they only give us a couple, your aggressive prosecutors, you have the president's counsel they asked

mcgann to fire mueller. the president said i never said that. i bet they videotaped this. i would love to see the rest of this interview. i think it can only help the president of the united states. they took what they thought was the best they could cherry pick and put it in volume two. what about the other 29 hours and 59 minutes. what else took place. number two, the president could have fired mueller anytime he wanted to. there's nothing that says he has to ask his counsel. >> the council is not in the chain of command. it's an advisor to the presidency. that's it. and the president never made any attempt to actually fire the special counsel. they obviously argued about it

, assuming there's some accuracy in there they argued about it but good lawyers don't tell clients what they want to hear, they evaluate and say here are your options and here's what i suggest you do. they can argue about it. in some of those they've taken my advice, others they haven't, some regretted not taking my advice, but the president, lawyers advised, clients decide. the president clearly by not doing it decided not to fire mueller because as you said there is never any impediment to him doing that. this idea back mcgann saved the president, that's just another phony pseudo- marketing. we'll be right back.he $409 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.

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what they're basically saying is we want you to give us the weapons by which we can destroy you and if you don't allow us to destroy you, we will destroy you anyway for that. have you ever seen anything like this. >> now. we've never seen anything like this. even in the clinton impeachment which politically was a mistake. >> lying under oath, on video, et cetera and while president. >> in front of a federal judge. >> that's true. all those things correct and yet you didn't have this kind of orchestrated broad scale, they're turning over three committees to this effort basically, and i've just never seen anything like it. also it's in the first term of the president and that's an important distinction that

even steny hoyer made in the case of bill clinton they were in the second term. there was no accountability. this couldn't be tried in public. there running for reelecte reelection. i think he's perfectly happy to do battle. what is not going to concede to do as he is already set in demonstrated is he's not going to play their game their way in the house of representatives. they don't have the authority because of the separation of powers to compel him to do that. so why should he? we will see this played out over the next year end a half, but my view of the media perspective on this is that you've got the so-called core door of people who get all worked up into a lather about a lot of the stuff that ordinary americans don't care a lick about. there is no collusion, there's

no obstruction, let's move on to make this country even better than it is. why are you people wasting your time with all that. i think that's the average american's view, it's by and large my view, particularly when you had as much cooperation by the president with the mueller investigation which they thought very ill of in the first place. >> me try this on you. the chairman of this house oversight and reform committee, elijah cummings is from baltimore. heavy blue, heavy democrat, no republican could ever win that. now th nadler, new york city, another one. waters, l.a., same thing. pelosi, san francisco, same thing. we have a handful of democrat who run the house of representatives a handful that have the iron fist. they come out of these very

specific areas of the country, it basically represents 90 miles on one end of the country, maybe hundred 20 miles on the other end of the country with the big country in between. all those red places and purple places even a handful of members of house of representatives were trying to take down the president of the united states because he's of a different party and philosophy. let me suggest this. if they succeed, it's the greatest act of voter suppression in american history, over 63 million people voted for this president and what this handful of radical democrats are saying is too bad, it's also the greatest disenfranchisement in the history of the country, over 63 million people are being

told that vote you took in 2016, that doesn't matter. what you think about. >> i think a lot of those 63 million people are pretty ticked off about this attempt because that is what they're trying to do. it's interesting that this past week tillery clinton resurfaced with an op-ed. i do agree with one thing she said. she said i may not be the best messenger to talk about the subject and it's sour grapes. i lost election for governor, here in virginia and while i engaged on fourth amendment issues, i never directly engaged with terry mccullough which is the guy who won that race because they think, frankly as presidents who have gone have behaved similarly in that kind of personal

engagement, doing battle like she did this week, it lowers your credibility, you sound like a sore loser because frankly you are a sore loser, and she is and it demonstrates the desperation of even what she's arguing for. all she did was try to lay out a slow walk to impeachment. that's all. what i thought was most interesting when i got to the end of it was that there was no statement, nobody's above the law. we'll be right back. -keep it down there. i have a system.

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the entire senior level in the fbi are either under criminal investigation or inspector general investigation. they were leakers chemical looters. they go to russians to get dirt on their opponent but apparently it's a problem when the other side tries to get dirt on their opponent from the same people two yeah but we didn't pay people to do it. here's the thing. mueller did the tax fraud, mail fraud, he was looking at prostitutes in manhattan, he was doing all kinds of somethings, but he never asked to look into the russians. the hillary campaign. the dnc, the corrupt

activities, why is that. >> that's a very good question. >> if we give him the benefit of the doubt, i think the best answer, and we won't know for a few months is that the inspector general is already looking at some of that. >> the inspector general cannot only look at the department of justice and can't look at the connections in the campaign world. >> and then we have susan rice who is the advisor to the president and the head of it comes through and says hey the russians are trying to tap into our system this is near the end of their administration and she tells him to stand down, don't write anything, we don't want any paper on this, we have unprecedented unmasking of american citizens going on by those saying it wasn't me and

they're using her name among them is michael flynn who is encouraged to do an interview without lawyers present, first time the fbi says no problem, second time stroke sets him up and he's fighting for his life. we have the deputy attorney general, sally yates who undertakes an investigation of them under the logan act which nobody has come about like the jaywalking act and they use that. we have all this going on, is mr. nadler interested in any of this. >> of course not. is maxine waters interested, is nancy pelosi interested, how about 98% of the media. are they interested in any of this. >> not the least bit. it doesn't fit the narrative and it doesn't hurt the president who one. all these activities that are going on, do you think, apart from the base on either side

politically, the american people watching us, those who are paying attention which is not most of us, what you think they make of this. >> basie washington behaving in a way that's ill relevant to their life and spinning their wheels in the mud, and i picked mud intentionally just practicing the politics of personal distraction. they voted and i think the america average american view is get on with it, it being the business of government. we look at what's going on with the border, there's a desperate need for congressional action. they acknowledge it and yet do nothing. they send out subpoenas without a basis to fight wars with the president that have already been investigated by mueller and nothing gets done. no progress is made. >> that's what i'm worried

about. they refused to secure the border and now these so-called manufactured crisis, everybody knows it wasn't manufactured and it's a five alarm fire. action begins with the house of representatives. they're doing absolutely nothing. red china is on the move. their massively increasing their military, their naval power is incredible right now, their missile technology is incredible right now, they sent into space to kill our satellites, our militaries ability, they are getting strongholds in north africa, rushes on the move, same thing , we have a problem with iran, that's an understatement, we've got all these problems going on and the democrats of the house of representatives act like there's nothing wrong. we just got a report that social security is going under in 18 years and medicare in 18 years. is there a single proposal coming out of the house. >> they want to blowed up faster with medicare for all.

mathematics is not a prerequisite to be in congress. >> what about the media. they are the clean occasions arm for the democrats in the house. the house democrats are louder, we hear more from them but before the election we heard as much from chuck schumer and his crowd but they're not in the majority so it's really turning the democrats into the house. we will hear more from those candidates in 2020 and it will be interesting to see just how crazy extreme they are willing to go to try to pick up votes. >> it sounds like there already there. >> we think they are, but they will come out and surprise even you and me. you heard it here, they will have a contested presidential convention.

they don't have winner take all states and they have too many candidates, no one is going to go to their convention and it's going to be a dog fight for delegates. now, that's about 2500 people, roughly where do you think they fall, that's who's going to decide their nominee. working to be hearing a lot more about all the crazy stuff including but not well base conclusions coming out of the mueller report from their presidential candidates. >> don't forget you can watch levintv on blaze tv.com, that's our wonderful conservative network over there or give us a call at 844 levintv. we'll be right back

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the presidents have a lot of opponent. he has rippe the democrats, the house of representatives, the media and the court. you have federal district judges, about 900 of them give or take, a lot of them appointed by obama, the chief justice is wrong. we don't believe that should

matter, but apparently it does. they are cherry picked and there's court picking going on , trying to undermine every step of the way his immigration. >> absolutely and there being very aggressive about it, and frankly, it doesn't make us happy but there being successful at it. they are slowing down this president, and really all of these challenges, we get to the supreme court, the president is winning these things. so what the lower courts are doing is just slowing things down, hoping this president loses in 2020 so that he ends up between a slow approval of his nominees and the slow down by the judiciary, essentially denying him years of governance, time of actual governing. now he gets reelected in 2020,

the courts are to be in a very difficult place because as you and i know, those cases, many of them working their way up to the courts or going to start getting decided much more quickly simply because they've gone to the process of the supreme court and the president will be left actually able to implement the agenda he's campaigned on, with or without congress participating. it's really a combination. donald trump comes into the office, he's not a traditional conservative, he's not a philosophical conservative, he's definitely an outsider, he gets elected despite all these forces against him, the media, the money people come the democrats, his only party and their furious and trying to reverse the course of the election, trying to stop his agenda, and from what i've noticed, i'll be curious what you think, he's getting more conservative and he understands these forces better than almost anyone since reagan because he's having to fight with them

every single day just to do what he campaigned on. >> i definitely think, he never sold himself as a traditional conservative. he sold himself as a practical list. he told us what is trade policy was. he told us what his immigration policy was. he told us he wasn't in a come here and get along with people who are already here. he succeeded mightily in that. and look at his deregulatory agenda. he's done not only what he said he was going to do but i can tell you they have blown doors off the deregulatory goals they set for themselves and that is a huge part of why economic opportunity and freedom is growing in this country, you reduce government power, you increase citizen liberty and you create opportunity. the judges that he's nominating, when they get

through the senate have been spectacular and highly qualified and he ran very specifically on those and he's keeping those promises. he is fighting hard on immigration despite having his hands tied as bestie can in an inactive congress, whether democrat or republican. >> we'll be right back hmm. exactly. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. nice. but, uh... what's up with your... partner? not again. limu that's your reflection. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪

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where do you see this country in five, ten or 15 years two i think it depends heavily on 2020. as we talked about, you've got courts in the congress that are trying to impede the agenda of a president who ran very clearly on certain goals and is trying to achieve them. they're trying to wear him down in the hope that he doesn't get reelected. if he does get reelected, then a lot of his agenda is going to break through the dam, especially on immigration which has been, where the

other side has been most successful in stymieing this president. >> let me ask you this, we don't have a lot of time. is our republic slipping away? apart from these elections, courts out-of-control, bureaucracies out-of-control just depending on what's going on, the american people are almost observers rather than participants, is the republic slipping away? >> we are definitely for some people in a post- constitutional period. you and i both know there are plenty of people in this country on the left who think the constitution is a tremendous inconvenience just as ruth bader ginsburg famously doing interviews about how mediocre our constitution is relative to others in the world. i think if this president hadn't one in 2016 and we ended up with a genuinely

liberal anti- constitutional majority on the supreme court, then i think we would be slipping away. we do not have a conservative court. we do not have a conservative court. therefore liberals, three conservatives into roberts. roberts and kavanaugh. nonetheless, that doesn't, that's a firewall when sliding down. >> have you looked at the way were talking, supreme court, it's supposed to be the weakest branch what's supposed to be the strongest branch just sits on their hand and does nothing on area of national responsibility and first responsibility of congress. >> except try to take out another branch of government. it's been a great pleasure having you. i think were in for some very tough times and it's good to have people like you out there

explaining to the american people what the law actually is to make you do a great job that yourself. thank you. >> alright folks, see you next week on life, liberty and levin.