>> media liberals changed her tune on impeachment. even though it will fail it is still worth doing as a way of punishing president trump with a scarlet letter. and majority the house, you can indict the sky, they have to make sure they continue to prosecute the case against donald trump all the way. the best way to do that is with impeachment. >> this is not law, this not morality, it's a man they don't like and never accepted as president. >> are hitting levels of delusion with reckless fantasies about impeachment.

>> the media wants him to impeach because if you like they have to justify the hoax that they perpetrated for two years. >> are some of the press using the mueller report to campaign for impeachment? and does the president vowed to defy this. a constitutional crisis or more partisan warfare? -- are these and other attacks going too far? anthony scaramucci joins our discussion. joe biden finally jumps into the 2020 race after weeks of skeptical courage and largely negative commentary. one thing donald trump is what about when he attacks joe biden, he is never really shown the quality of candidate may expect him to be. i think he has a difficult time. >> i do think the goodness he

brings the table, experience, network of support she has makes them formidable this time around. >> joe biden 's 2020 roll out is looking like the crash of the hindenburg.annie has not even officially announced yet. have the pundits already soured on the former vp and how much is the hurt by the media focus on anita hill? plus, c-span founder brian lamb stepping down after 40 years. >> we wanted to have television be the place the c-span network, where some a quick call and tell us off. >> and sophia stamas on political lying and today's media culture. i am howard kurtz and this is #mediabuzz. >> the president declares this week there are no grounds for impeachment. not while the economy is doing so well. he told reporters he would not comply with a flurry of demands from house democrats for documents and testimony by his current and former aides. >> the subpoena is ridiculous.

we are fighting all the subpoenas. look, these are like impartial people. the democrats are trying to end 2020. >> by defying the subpoenas, by provoking this constitutional clash, by doing the things he's doing, he's making it possible for democrats not to impeach him. >> this not about more transparency or search for the truth. this is about keeping this political narrative alive to the 2020 campaign. >> junius molly hemingway, fox news contributor and senior journals and fellow at hillsdale college. sarah fisher, media reporter for axios and jessica tarlov a fox news contributor. when they were pushing for impeachment to remove president trump from office, you could

understand the goal. now it seems to be, we cannot kick him out of office this way but we have a moral duty to punish him. >> the real problem here is that the media have no credibility to talk about this issue at all.they spent the last couple of years falling into the special conspiracy theory. there are thousands of stories, liberal commentary also participated in this delusional thinking. then it came out that the mueller report and without a single indictment for instruction, for collusion and the continuing with this narrative. so it does not make sense because there's no actual, there will be no conviction in the senate but also it is part of the bigger problem is his lack of credibility in the media and liberal commentary. >> nancy pelosi does not want impeachment. most of the 2020 candidates do not want impeachment at this point. knowing it would liberate the democrats agenda and in the end they will not convict donald trump. what does this tell us about the liberal pundits and how some of them seem to despise trump? >> i think would know for a long time that there are some members of the media and many americans as well that despise trump.if you're in the media,

your coverage should reflect the truth and facts. with the saw that emphasize less than the correspondence dinner. the mueller report give people a lot to work with. he was explicit he wasn't going to be laying out, he was making a decision and there were 10 things he was looking at that he thought amounted potentially to -- bill barr made that decision. judge napolitano, thinks it is a case. nancy pelosi wants to make sure that we fear while ill charlie 2020 can see more of a pathway toward impeachment then you could before we got the mueller report. >> for clarification, bill barr made the decision not to pursue obstruction because robert mueller decide not to make a decision either way. so they been full of arguments, just one example a columnist, there's no such thing as a failed impeachment.once a president is impeached, he is forever marked.

i call this giving him the scarlet "i". >> at the end of the members of congress want to get more facts and details for the have to protect the 2020 chances as well. the media does not 2020 chances to protect. they just had to tell the truth. we see a plethora of things come out this way you want to make sure that quite frankly are being balanced. >> essay tell the truth. columnists are entitled to give their opinion. you're right that no one in the press is running for office but maybe they want a certain outcome in 2020. >> that's right. they are entitled to give their opinion but at the new york times you're responsible for giving opinions on both sides spinning a huge story. the president is saying he will defy all the congressional subpoenas. not just saying i don't like

this one of that one. their arguments about executive privilege and so forth. the media are kind of portraying this as a major constitutional crisis. i would point out these battles are not unusual producing previous administrations but is a blanket refusal part of what is fueling this? >> to your point, he actually had in the last couple of years congress trying to get information about the department of justice as related to this russia investigation. and did nothing but obstruction and delaying the department of justice. in see the media carrying that much about it. but now that the fight is moved to donald trump now this is a constitutional crisis. i tend to think congress should have the right to see what it was to see him in article 1 -- i would say congress is actually the one that just to set this. but is not really, there are legitimate legal battles. they discovered accurately. including how much transparency there was in the mueller probe. it was such a wide far-reaching

investigation and donald trump did not assert executive privilege. he gave a million plus documents. let everyone testify. his action a lot of information people have already. congress has been running probes as well. even though the header to go for this a lot to put out there. >> right. and ththink the media is very clearly not by the even that he gave mueller documents and made this available he does need to play ball with the house which he says is being very partisan. as if republicans are never partisan. >> absolute. when the president needs to get the story straight. if atoll exoneration and they found nothing then just turn over everything. he should have nothing to hide. we have spent two years with this investigation that is completely undermined the administration of the u.s. government. the i did it just to keep going you have to be a supplicant to it is not realistic. from the media perspective. you have to portray just how complete the investigation has been and how disruptive it has been to the administration. >> i don't think there's a problem with the media embrace the fact that bob miller was

complete an investigation, it is with bill barr make the final investigation and the claims of obstruction of justice. >> robert mueller made the decision not to indict a single american. in this country when you don't indict someone enemies are not guilty of anything. >> bob mueller laid out the framework he does not feel he can make a determination and he wanted -- >> his job as a prosecutor is to make the determination. he is the one that did not make that. >> will agree to disagree. as these drag on, is the public

going to lose interest? or will be another process story about well, the president want this and so-and-so isn't going to testify. what do you think? >> i think they will lose interest. i was talking to an executive at the near times that says that this is over first because some procedures are getting so complicated people are turning their attention to other stuff. >> it's over so no circulation will go down? >> no not circulation but the fact that the increase of subscriptions. they say they saw that stop in 2018. i think people are starting to look at these instant feeling exhausted by it. >> a return to language, this is the mueller investigation. the president language and several recent appearances and on twitter and this is a brief clip. >> they are bad apples. they tried for a coup, didn't work out so well. >> the president is calling it an attempted coup. for example he was called using language used as a dictator. >> coup is a strong word. donald trump won the election fair and square. yet people actually try to push 1/25 amendment approach. we have cabinet members asked the sitting president. >> some of them if reports are correct were his own appointees. >> the point isn't about whether it's republican and democrats but the resistance in a coup like behavior.

spying on a political campaign, making criminal leaks to set a false narrative that many people in the media and other partisans fell for, these are all coup -like behaviors. understand how the strada, who was involved with it. it is serious anguish but it's a very serious thing to happen. >> obviously, little definition of a coup is a military overthrow the government. is this just president trump pushing his critics buttons by using this kind of colorful and exaggerated language? >> it is but it's also dangerous. he first said this i think when he was seated with sean hannity some nights ago. it resonated with people he wanted to resonate with.he will continue to use it. it is dangerous and inappropriate linkage. the nicest is not a country in which a coup would go on hopefully. certainly not what happened here. and if you read the mueller report if you've been following coverage as well, you see this was not a coup. many members of the trump administration were speaking to

russians and lied about it. robert mueller was clearly -- >> to bar jessica's line of thinking. if there was nothing to be afraid of and there is no coup like behavior less investigate how the strada, who was involved in if there's nothing to worry about -- [multiple speakers] >> the president is all up in arms and his president, like when john brennan uses the word treason francis. >> he was falsely accused of treason which is a capitol crime. >> the intel community, they woke up one day and said i really hate this guy so i will put someone in their campaign. >> we are running out of time. briefly, road rosenstein recently accused me of saying they make threats, spread fake tories and attacking relatives. back to that coup language. >> that's what he does best. he's an effective commuter and he takes one word that will resonate that can go viral. he will test on a show with some sort of favorable personality and if he sees is

getting a lot of pickup with his base he will use it over and over. >> all right no coup here. i'm still in charge. welcome back, joe biden finally jumped into the 2020 race. later, anthony scaramucci on the president wrapping up his rhetoric against msnbc, cnn and - in a crossfit gym, we're really engaged with

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>> on the view the former vp was asked about the eight women that accused him of unwanted touching. >> are you sorry for what you did? are you prepared to apologize to those women? >> here is the deal. i have to be much more aware of the private space of men and women. >> considering that joe biden is a pretty liberal guy, leading the democratic polls, why is the media coverage range from negative to pretty hostile? >> part of it is just that he's the front runner. he's repeatedly shown up in the polls at the top enemies you take all the incoming for the other issue though is that for the first time in a long time he's not under the protective umbrella of president obama, the media during the present obama and they would never go after anyone that might reflect poorly on president obama. now he doesn't have the protection and it's interesting that media who tend to be liberal in part of the more activist-based do not see him as woke as he used to be.

>> not just that but he is an unexciting candidate to cover as journalists see it. he's been on forever, an old-fashioned campaign up and not a social media guy and not as fun as a unorthodox beto o'rourke or mayor pete. >> it is not putting out policy will be radically different than things we've heard. your people come and submit universal basic income, the green new deal, joe biden is a reach across the aisle, dealmaker. he hasn't come out with any radically new policies with new hashtags around them making the media jump all over them. >> he has no hashtags! jessica, they say he's a paper tiger, who be the jeb bush like in 2016. to some of the liberal side not like and because i don't think he's liberal enough and not promising free college tuition, medicare fall, let's talk about reparations and sort of along the lines of others? >> albage is a what he does in

the healthcare debate. about improving obama care and medical -- medicare fall. in the 2016 coverage, even during the democratic primary, where reporters really didn't push bernie sanders as hard as they pushed hillary clinton of course. and even when he got to the general hilly got a different level of courage and donald trump did. i think reporters want to make sure they're digging as deep as possible in each of these candidates. when he is getting a lot worse than it did in 2016. if you look at the people from last week. >> barely any scrutiny 2016 because he was just seen as entertainment -- >> now it's a lot more serious. >> these are the things you hear from pundits. this is a diverse party, joe biden 76, and he's a white guy. this is been written in the new york times and elsewhere. >> the coverage shows the grips

of identity politics. i think it's important for the media to understand the way they are far more liberal than the average american therefore more able than the average democrat. and they like joe biden that he is fairly moderate, they like that he thinks he can be donald trump. some extremism is a reflection of newsrooms not representing actual readers and viewers. >> had to handle a few questions about women saying about the unwanted touching? >> i think he handled it very well. i think the anita hill conversation was little more difficult. but i want to back up with what molly was saying. it's really important, there was a great tweet after the fundraising numbers come in. he said i guess her democrats are not on twitter. we live in a bubble this way, joe biden does appeal across the out. the 6.3 million is more than any other candidate. it's a big deal. >> brookley, sarah, he seems to be a bit rusty with reporters. he has not done this for a while. >> he's been out of the game. the new some like kamala harris that not only, has she announced way earlier than him but she is talking to importers, engage in some of these news and fiery topics.

joe biden has been sort of privately preparing for this. but he is not been publicly facing cameras. so you're right he is a few months out while some of his others are a couple of months and. >> thank you so much for coming by this sunday. ahead, the president saying people the new york times will have to get on their knees and begged him for forgiveness. up next come presidential aides join the president. this is the biggest liberty i could find to hang out with.

>> president trump left the white house correspondents dinner last night for the third straight time but there was a choice. he ordered his white house staff not to attend either leaving some news outlets with

seats paid for. in the past i spoke with kellyanne conway andsarah hucka sanders, she was pretty viciously attacked last year by emma jennifer by the comedian michelle wolf. and last night -- the president of sirius xm delivered a response to trump. >> i've had death threats. including one this week.too many of us have. it shouldn't need to be said in a room full of people understand thepower of words , but fake news it enemies of the people and not pet names, punchlines or presidential. >> the president of his usual counter programming with a wisconsin rally. he didn't actually spend much time bashing the press though. there was this. >> if i'm off by little tiny bit, those people back there will be headlines. i have to be very careful. fake news. they are fake! they are fake! christ on jump did respond to the crowds chanting up against

cnn saying that their ratings quote - sock. last night fewer media hotshots showed up for the president dimmed the excitement. some big media players like vanity fair have dropped their pregame batches and glitzy after parties but i don't think it's a bad thing. the focus on who can invite the hottest celebrities got way out of control. now the dinners are turning to its roots. as another self-congratulatory industry convention. this one though it meant to raise money for journalism scholarships.this time without scaring people. and an anti-semitic cartoon in the international addition. president trump with a yarmulke leading a dog whose faces netanyahu with a star of david collar. unbelievable! the times so the image was offensive and an error of judgment to publish. no apology. a colossal error. where on gods good earth were

the editors? by the way, president trump told the ceo, jack dorsey, twitter has unfairly removed some of his followers blaming bias. dorsey explained lots of people lost followers including him as twitter purges fake accounts and bots. it's happened to me too! head on #mediabuzz much of the media scolding bernie sanders on his stance on allowing prisoners to vote. but first, anthony scaramucci. but first, anthony scaramucci. -- when we started our business we were paying an arm and a leg for postage. i remember setting up shipstation. one or two clicks and everything was up and running. i was printing out labels and saving money. shipstation saves us so much time. it makes it really easy and seamless. pick an order, print everything you need, slap the label onto the box, and it's ready to go. our costs for shipping were cut in half. just like that. shipstation. the #1 choice of online sellers. go to shipstation.com/tv and get 2 months free.

>> president trump started up a prison "fox and friends" is the best and most highly rated political morning show before unloading on its rivals. at msnbc he tweeted morning psycho, joe who helped get him elected in 2016 by having me on free all the time has nosedived, to angry, dumb and sick. a real venture with low

ratings. joe scarborough seemed to revel in the free publicity. >> talking about the poor ratings. things like the second or third year in a row that we have had record ratings. they just keep going up more and more. we thank the president for drawing everybody's attention to it. >> as for cnn donald trump says the network was a disaster and rewarded chris cuomo with a now unsuccessful prime time slot despite his massive failure in the morning. only on cnn. cuomo uses third-place ratings to make a point.>> the struggle israel. we see the need to grow and do better and we bust our bottoms to do just that. i argue the spread of the president should consider his own criticism. why? he has mired in the mud of minority approval.

>> joins not from los angeles, anthony scaramucci, former white house communication chief and informal trump advisor. welcome. this question, what does the president gain by beating up in morning psycho joe which he claims never to watch, and other than allowing scarborough and his team to kind of clap back and have fun the president's expense. >> i think you saw last night, a vivid contrast. he's got a record-breaking crowd out in green bay and then you've got a lot of people looking to fill the seats at the white house correspondents dinner. he is in a full-blown war with the media. and i think they played into his hand in many ways. i think actually president is winning the war. the mueller report, some of the stuff inside is actually sour but the top headline is very good for the president. most of the american people have moved on. him tweaking the media like that, i think it drives them into further hysteria. which he plays very well to the base. >> you say you talk to the

president. go ahead. >> no, i talked to the president on easter sunday and his thing is, he's going to move very hard on the base. and the quote - from the president was, the independents and the moderates will take care of themselves. meaning that the economy is very strong, the policies put in place are working. very good common sense policies for the american people. and so his attitude is, full of the base, he will win the reelection by galvanizing those people plus some of the moderates. the strategy does seem to be working. >> let me jump in here. when he personalizes it, morning psycho joe, going after cuomo, when he calls a new york columnist that does not like him, stupid, the guys a nobel prize winner. when he tweets this, anthony, the new york times will have to get down on their knees and beg for forgiveness. beg for forgiveness? are you suggesting that he is doing this as a political tactic because his base loves it?

>> well, i think is a combination of things. it is counterpunch in which he has done for 45 years. i think it was a successful political tactic in 2016. i think he is doubling down the strategy for 2020. i don't like elements. no question about that. when is calling people names like that, you know, he must like it. he gets sore at me for saying i don't like it publicly but i don't like it because i think at the end of the day, he has to win the suburban woman bonus. he has 52 prison the white women vote in 2016. he is got to get back to those levels again in 2020 to win. they don't like that kind of thing. they get he gets mad at people like me for calling them out on that but truth of the matter is i want to see the guy win. he's had a very successful strategy for the american people. the economy is unbelievable strong right now. and is not just corporate ceos and the stock market.

it is deep. >> i agree with that. no interest on the president. i want to play free the president's interview pretty phoned into the sean hannity show. hannity asked him whether the president believes the media owe him an apology. >> they do owe me an apology. a big one. they owe you an apology. we actually have a lot of support. i watched you and tucker and i watched laura and great guys in the morning. with steve and ainsley and brian. >> does it help or hurt fox that while the president is going after much of the media, he is praising and online promoting many of the fox conservative opinion hosts? >> i think fox executives are concerned about her because they want to make sure there is a separation obviously between the administration and frankly, fox. but i think in general does help fox because at the end of the day, his support base is galvanized around fox and you can see it in your primetime

ratings and is obviously reflected in the morning ratings. i do think from a ratings point of view it helps them but i want to go back to what were talking earlier. the personal attacks in the press. i think he could be deploying the strategy in reducing the personal tax on -- attacks on the press.he will do better with the block of people he needs to get reelection.>> on that point, i would like to quote - you on a column that he wrote on helping him anyways you say the press you say, the press is flawed, pious, self-righteous, sanctimonious. what is serving the purpose of the founders wanted. clearly you're not persuaded donald trump of this. >> no. no one will persuade them to be honest but listen, i've been roiled in the press, lit up on late night comedy. i think i have a pretty good

standing to say that the press is not the enemy of the people. if you go back to the foundation principles of the republic, the press is there to keep you know, people away from tierney. the press is there to guard us from people in power and frankly to hold them accountable. in addition to that, the free press makes our younger people very creative. if you can teach people to think freely in the second grade, they going to create freely and that is where the economic innovation comes from. a big advantage to china related to that. >> one more quote - from your piece. the president scares americans. are these people who you think could potentially get to support him next year who are outside the traditional base? >> i do not think he needs to go that far. last night, it was symbolically a great need for the present. you have the nerd to the 26th power. a lot of vacant seats, a packed house in green bay wisconsin. the president is winning. i would argue with the press, the change strategies a little bit on the president.

he will not apologize but the president is an old-fashioned guy. he feels like there's been too much bias against him. and if you toned it down a little bit i think they can bridge the impasse. i think you get them to come back to the white house correspondents dinner although he's never gone to one as president. i was there with him three or four years ago at one of the fox tables. if they calm down, they can rebuild the relationship with the president. i think will be a good thing for the presidency going to 2020. you probably disagree with all of that. >> he probably would. my concern is that both sides are so duggan and was become this war of words is difficult to change at this point. always great to hear your viewpoint. thank you. >> thanks. >> joe biden tripped up out of box and anita hill says she is not satisfied with his non-apology over her 28-year-old testimony. later, my conversation with brian lamb. 40 years after he founded

>> if yours old when he had a giant puddle. new york times interview with anita hill. those have been unhappy with him the way he presided over the hearings for clarence thomas when she came forward and accused him -- the subject

came up on the view. >> i think what she wants you to say is i'm sorry for the way i treated you. not for the way you were treated. >> if you go back to what i said and it didn't say, i don't think i treated her badly. >> john now, a culture editor. emily, anita hill did not help joe biden with the interview. you think there's too much media focus on will happen at the clarence thomas hearings? >> of course is unfair to him he's running for president, he's got a long record. i understand his frustration when he says, when you look back at what i did, because i think what we are seeing is the fruit of two decades. making anita hill seemed much more credible than -- they

believe clarence thomas over her. i think you really have to grapple with that. hbo bio pics to picture one way but she's depicted in other ways. i think this now paints him in a much more negative way. >> some in the media are saying if anita hill can forgive joe biden, then the democrats can. i think it's a good question. here's what we've got to do as a country. i think sooner rather than later. we've got to stop applying 2019 rules to 1991 problems. i think we are sinners over and over again. in the media and how they tell stories. especially in the #me too era. this happened him 1984 but this is suzanna martinez. >> do you think retroactively, they're trying to beat up on joe biden when culture has obviously changed. >> of course culture change. i think if we saw dad today she

would be traditionally because times are different. >> i think will be a defining narrative of the joe biden candidacy. he is a long record and made a lot of decisions that were mainstream democratic party line votes in the day that he will not to defend. >> are my people that have forgotten, anita hill had a male committee. joe biden under pressure from republicans and testimony from two women that would corroborate what she had to say. so she was traumatized. i'm not minimizing what happened by any means. but why is the media making this a litmus test of joe biden? you're saying because it's a way of getting at his long record. >> i think because, angie discusses earlier, he seen as very out of touch. he is any filled with a lot of fresh faces. he is an old guy out of touch with the youngblood. and i think this fits the narrative about joe biden. and so it is kind of catnip in that sense. >> i think in some sense you're

right emily, and that there is this sort of sensa they putting in old narrative on joe biden. i think molly said it first really well at the beginning of the show that for many americans, that is what they want. they want a candidate who is relatable, and who has been through some things, with experience, a candidate who has made tough decisions and can talk about them. i think what joe biden has to do now, he has to explain those, talk about them and be really honest and authentic with the american people that need hill, -- >> in the media, it's almost acute get credit for having a long record. give a series -- we relive these crimes which by the way hillary clinton supported. it was not just a joe biden thing. i wonder whether the media are penalizing the experience with the someone has very little experience, then how much of a record and they are new and fresh and exciting. >> exactly.

let me turn out to bernie sanders who has got a lot of media flock stemming from his position about people that are in prison for zero sperm should be allowed to vote. i will show the exchange. >> i think the road -- the right to vote is inherent to our democracy. even for terrible people. >> it's like your writing opposition add again super like you think the boston marathon should vote not after he pays his debt to society but while he's in jail. are you sure about that? >> bernie sanders did not back off. some praised him for sticking to his principles but others, some expulsion ammunition to his critics. >> and cuomo said that real time, your writing the opposition at. but if you look at courage, they were mainstream defense of what is very much a french position. it is not even mainstream democratic party position. there were defenses written in

nbc news, defenses written in new york magazine. my personal favorite is a new york times roster this is bernie sanders position on prisoners voting opens the conversation about the issue. and i'm thinking if the conservative ever expressed a french perspective like that it would not be -- >> will they just downplay or avoid it? >> i think every network has the responsibility to cover these type of things and i think you saw from chris cuomo in that clip, him saying, are you really saying this to the american people? >> but it was not a big story everywhere. >> i think what we saw from bernie was out of mainstream for the democratic party. i think where we sit at a party, we said if you do your crime and pay her debt to society then you can vote. >> thank you so much for coming in. still to come, brian lamb taking some parting shots at the media.

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with donations from cable companies 40 years ago to show people how the house and later the senate, actually function. >> assumes like this is old and there we real bully. j big on television. what do you think? >> i mixed feelings about it. >> is correct to the phones. with the color standing by in memphis tennessee. >> he built a marshal based on ordinary folks calling you because cbs, nbc and abc talk to annis in the public was not able to talk back. as he prepares to talk down we had a chat. >> brian lamb, welcome.

>> thank you for having me.>> you launched this franchise 40 is also people can see their elected lawmakers at work. the media culture thus become more angry and opinionated and polarized, do viewers still want to see members of congress giving speeches? >> i don't know that they ever wanted to see them giving speeches. they wanted to be in a process some way and not everybody. whenever appeal to everybody. >> but youtube and facebook and twitter and podcast. have they marginalize c-span? >> is giving people tremendous opportunities to play in the game. look how many tennis we've had for president in the last couple of elections. it rarely happened in the past because they complained the game for the asking our permission or your permission

and i think that is a positive for the country overall. >> c-span is scrupulously down the middle. nobody knows your politics. what do you think of all of the emotion and conflict that seems to be built into cable news today? >> versatile, you're the first person to ever care what had to say about that. i'm not so sure you really care because their businesses. and they've all figured out including fox, how to make lots of money. >> their businesses but also know they have some responsibility to journalism? >> it is not written anywhere. journalism is whatever you want to say this. for years and years of the people in journalism has biases. now i know what their biases are in a lot more comfortable knowing that then trying to listen to them tell me they are not on a side. >> lisa washington is sort of built on a cultural lie. >> i came in the middle of vietnam war, i sat in the pentagon as a public affairs officer in the united states navy and i was told to lie. i was given facts and fears are

not accurate. i heard a secretary defense and we can win the war when we knew we couldn't. and it just got worse and worse. >> with a president like donald trump, has c-span changed the approach at all to deal with the very unorthodox whether he conducts his presidency? >> donald trump is not terribly interested in us, we have not really gotten interviews with computer cover him like we have covered every president.we have no so probably our most active president in history was bill clinton and then george w. bush. they were the most apt to deal with us and talk to us. barack obama there has been much attention to c-span. >> you hosted for years, book notes. i was on in the early 90s for my first book, why are some conservatives that think the media is biased? >> i was stunned by first of all 60 minutes and no breaks. but you were on page 246, i don't remember whatever 246.

will you miss doing the television show? >> i will. i'm not giving up totally. i'm giving up my sunday night show. i'm going to do stuff around the edges. you miss it, this is the greatest business in the world for someone like me. >> to give up the ceo duties about seven years ago. my step down now? >> and 77 -- >> you have earned it! >> and a exorcist of done i just want to get out of anything regular.spend a little less time coming to the office, that's my favorite part of the day. i would give up sleeping if i could. i do not even like sleeping. >> or take vacations apparently. >> i've never been a big vacationer but my wife deserves me trying to go on vacation. we will give it a shot. >> at the age of 77 you can learn a new skill. thank you for joining us. >> a terrific guy! that's it for this edition of #mediabuzz. i'm howard kurtz. check out my new podcast. you can subscribe at itunes, google play or fox news podcast.com. follow my daily columns and

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