joe concha. thank you. thanks, we'll be back tomorrow, 8:00 p.m., they show that thata sworn enemy of lying come up positively, smugness, and groupthink. dvr it. more than anything, watch this man who takes over from new york city. >> sean: tucker carlson, slow news night, anything happening? >> tucker: [laughs] >> sean: it is really slow. great to see you. great show. buckle up welcome to "hannity". let me give you a quick headlines and the details we will follow. nobody else will report. the mueller witch hunt is completely over. it is done. nobody listened to the attorney general, and yeah, the attorney general admitted today, everything we reported the last two years, full criminal investigations are now just beginning. imagine that, a talk show host is right and so many in the fake news industry are wrong. we will get to all of it but first, breaking moments ago, the

attorney general barr will not head back to capitol hill to be grilled by jerry nadler's lawyers because he's too weak to question him himself. tonight, of course, predictably, more breathless hysteria, selective moral outrage from the left. they are desperately trying to revive what is now a dead, fake, phony narrative. that is finished. they are wrong. they were wrong. they lied to the american people. they continue to lie to the american people. they perpetrated a hoax. they pushed conspiracy theories. they've lost and operation cross fire hurricane has now turned into operation boomerang. we will have full coverage of how barr, horowitz, john huber, about to offend the corrupt actors in the deep state, there was that abused power. they will bring equal justice and equal application of the laws to the american people. it seems, tonight, finally the constitution and rule of law

will be followed. also tonight, a major breaking news report, brand-new from john solomon surrounding bruce and nellie ohr, who may soon be in serious legal trouble. i think we predicted that too. but the mueller witch hunt is over. don't let nobody else fool you. they can talk about it till the cows come home. they can sit, go home, and their heads can spin around like linda blair in "the exorcist." they can projectile vomit the green stuff, and it will not change the truth. the second part is, what we have diligently reported, night after night after night, for two years on this program, our ensemble cast, i can't name everybody. there's not a lot of us, but talk radio, rush limbaugh, mark levin, and a few others on the channel. like laura, tucker, "fox & friends," we have all been right. so many others have gotten it dead wrong.

they missed the biggest story in their lifetime, and we can confirm tonight the criminal investigations are, in fact, underway in a major way. that is the biggest headline to come out of today and i promise you no one else will report it. but not according to the democratic and media mob, the ones that are full of rage and psychotic hatred that, you know, borders all things trump. they are obsessing about barr's contentious hearing on capitol hill which could have basically been wrapped up in about 2 minutes. after these important questions, this is the money moment, if you will, lindsey graham, it says it all. it confirms what i just told you. take a look. >> do you share my concerns about the fisa warrant process? >> yes. >> do you share my all my concerns about the counterintelligence investigation, how it was opened and wyatt was opened?

>> yes. >> do you share my concerns the professional from a lack of professionalism, the clinton email investigation, something we should look at? >> yes. >> do you expect to change your mind about the bottom-line conclusions of the mueller report? >> no. >> do you think the president's campaign in 2016 was thoroughly looked at in terms of whether or not they colluded with the russians? >> yes. and the answer is no according to bob mueller. >> that is right. >> he could not decide about obstruction but you did, is that correct? >> that is right. >> do you feel good about your decision? >> absolutely. >> sean: there you go. no collusion, no obstruction, as we said, the biggest headline no one in the media mob will ever tell you how the attorney general has confirmed today, he is investigating fisa abuse, illicit spying, clinton's rigged investigation, clinton's collusion with her dirty dossier, the dirty dossier. ukrainian collusion and so much more.

as a matter of fact, that is only beginning today. there is so much, a cascade, an avalanche of information. we will get to lindsey graham who will join us in a moment but for nearly 24 hours, the predictable media mob is totally, completely apoplectic about a new report from "the washington post" and "the new york times" ." last night, just hours prior to barr's hearing, the two far left media propaganda outlets lied again, conveniently granted access to a leaked letter from team mueller to the attorney general's office that expressed frustration over how barr initially summarized the report. "washington post" headline, "mueller complained that barr's letter did not capture the context, the entirety of the trump probe." but within their own reporting, way underneath the headlines, they actually contradicted their own headline. the actual truth emerged. according to a doj spokesperson, now confirmed by the attorney general himself, the special counsel emphasized

nothing. zero! in the attorney general attorney general's four-page march 24th letter was inaccurate or misleading. nothing! but he expressed frustration over the lack of context, oh, and the resulting media coverage regarding the analysis. he is criticizing the media too. something mueller and i have in common. this is how attorney general barr responded earlier today. let's go to the videotape. >> i said, bob, what is with the letter? you know, why don't you just pick up the phone and call me if there is an issue? and he said that they were concerned about the way that the media was playing this. and felt that it was important to get out the summaries, which they felt would put their work in proper context and avoid some

of the confusion that was emerging. and i asked him if he felt that my letter was misleading or inaccurate. and he said no. >> sean: oh, so according to mueller, it's is the attorney general's job to shape how the media reports a story? really? bob? barr followed up with a shot at mueller's band of democratic donors he appointed. even the guy that was at hillary's victory party, mueller's pitbull, andrew weissmann, , and atrocious track record, and of course that included the hillary clinton attorney as it relates to the clinton foundation. take a look. >> the letter is a bit snooty and i think it was written by one of the staff people. >> did you make a written memorandum of your conversation? did you make a memorandum or anyone else? did anyone, either you or anyone on your staff, memorialize your conversation with robert mueller? >> yes. >> who did that?

>> there were notes taken. >> may we have those notes? >> no. >> sean: no. [laughs] you have got to love that. let's take a moment to lay out the facts one more time. well, some people just need to know where this is going. we are trying to educate them. and it is hard. they are so entrenched in their own conspiracy theories, lies in their own mind, i think they actually believe their lies at this point. zero evidence that anyone in the trump campaign colluded with russia. mueller did not make a determination on obstruction. the attorney general indicated these basic findings in his letter on march 24th. the department of justice then determined, yes, no obstruction took place, and on april 18th, barr released the full report with only a few legally mandated reductions because of a well supported by democrats following the starr investigation into bill clinton. the attorney general, he had no obligation whatsoever to release

any of the mueller report. that is the truth. that is the law. these are the facts. and as senator ted cruz pointed out earlier today, the complaints from the left are totally absurd. take a look. >> so their entire argument is, general barr, you suppressed the 19 pages that are entirely public, that we have, that we can read, that they know every word of it. and their complaint is it was delayed a few weeks. and that was because of your decision not to release the report piecemeal but the 19 pages along with the entire 448 pages produced by the special counsel. >> yes. >> if that is their argument, i have to say that is an exceptionally weak argument. because if you are hiding something, i will tell you right now, general barr, you are doing

a lousy job of hiding it. >> sean: all right, the media mob, democratic mob, they don't care about facts. they are driven purely by an agenda, by the way, not serving you, we come of the people, which is why they are now sparing the attorney general, even calling for him to be impeached. it won't go anywhere, but take a look anyway. >> did the top law-enforcement official in the land mislead the congress and the american people to protect the president? >> he was being deceptive and he knew he was. >> there was an ease with which barr lied. >> there are a contradictions, there are lies. it's a mystifying performance. >> i think it is in patterns. >> the attorney general says tuesday is monday and the sun is the moon. >> pure political hackery. filled with lies and misrepresentation and now i think there are cases we can point to you that people will say are perjury. what we have now is an attorney general who has presented himself in a way that is not refutable anymore. he has fully, obviously, corrupted. >> sean: once again, the media

is merely doing the bidding of the allies in the radical socialist party more interested in grandstanding and rage hating trump than legislating on behalf of you, we, the people. take a look. >> i think history will judge you harshly. your credibility is undermined within the department and in this committee and with the american people. >> mr. barr, you seem to have learned the filibuster rules even better than the senators do. i feel your answer was purposely misleading, and i think others do, too. >> the american people know that you are no different from rudy giuliani or kellyanne conway or any of the other people who sacrificed their once decent reputation for the grifter and liar in the oval office. you have chosen to be the president's lawyer and side with him over the interest of the american people. >> sean: believe it or not the fake news "new york times"

opinion page was even more melodramatic where james comey, well, theatrically exclaiming "mr. trump, eat your soul." in small bites -- i can't say it with a straight face. the disgraced fbi director who i said, "you have the right to remain silent. i suggest you use it. you will probably regret not listening to me." inferring that the attorney general is now soulless because of president trump. perhaps it is time for mr. comey to finally wipe away his tears from getting canned and realize that, jim, the writing is on the wall. trust me. you are in serious trouble tonight, legal jeopardy. you abused your power. i know you think you are super patriot but a lot of the fbi rank and file i know are embarrassed by what you did it. he was the first fbi official to sign off on that fisa warrant to spy on the trump campaign associate carter page, oh, based

on unverified, uncorroborated, bought and paid for the clinton campaign off to research and "the new york times" is telling us may have been russian disinformation. you signed up on that. he is the one that told president-elect months later the dossier was unverified. not what he said in the fisa warrant. he said it was salacious months after used the fisa warrant. did he lie in october, did he lie in january 2017, october of '16? he met with susan rice, president obama, crazy uncle joe about the dossier after the election. he leaked government memos with president trump in order to spur special counsel investigation and that might be a crime even though he was the one that declared the president can fire an fbi director for any or no reason at all. he is the one who surrounded himself with partisan corrupt high-ranking officials who have all either resigned, been fired or demoted. and now comey is the one, along with his fellow deep state counterparts, the tables have now turned. there's a new sheriff in town. his name is bill barr. and he confirmed today the

investigation into your actions. the deep state spying and all the other shenanigans that happen, rigging hillary's investigation, trying to bludgeon a president duly elected by we, the people of the united states. we now know now know horowitz's investigation into fisa abuse, huber's investigation into leaking, more investigations into christopher steele's bought and paid for dossier paid for by hillary and democratic collusion with ukraine. they are trying to give us the evidence. rampant unmasking requests carried out by susan rice, samantha power in 2016, 350% increased criminal referrals are coming in here. the united states of america supposed to be democratic republic based on the rule of law, a constitution. it is not a bureaucratic dictatorship where power is abused and used by a select few unelected, unaccountable officials. we give you these tools because we trust you to protect this

country. not use them and turn them on the elected president of the united states or the american people. this is now time we either get this straight or say goodbye, usa. because as attorney general barr pointed out, our criminal justice system must never be used, ever used as a political weapon, ever again! right, jim? take a look. >> the report is now in the hands of the american people. everyone can decide for themselves. there is an election in 18 months. that is very democratic process. but we are out of it. we have to stop using the criminal justice process as a political weapon. to the extent there was over reach, i don't want to judge people's motives and come to conclusion on that -- but to the extent there was overreach, what we have to be concerned about is, you know, a few people at the top getting

it into their heads that they know better than the american people. >> sean: i have said it before and i will say it again, jim comey, super patriot, you have the right to remain silent and i suggest you kind of listen. maybe you should stop writing op eds and start looking in the mirror and maybe beef up your legal team, which, by the way, you cleverly did with people that might side against you. pretty clever. chairman of judiciary committee led today's hearing and did a phenomenal job. i would say on a scale of 1 to 10, you and the attorney general get a thousand. that list that you went down, that is the headline. this is over. he's not changing his mind and this is all beginning. >> tell all my friends on the other side, we gave mueller two years to do his job. he had 19 lawyers. he had $25 million and interviewed 500 people and issued 2,000 subpoenas. he had plenty of opportunity

without interference. the president gave him a million and a half documents. everybody around the president and the president's campaign testified voluntarily and here is what we know. there was no conspiracy between the trump campaign and russians at all. mueller could not decide -- chose not to press forward on obstruction. i always thought obstruction argument was absurd. it is over. the reason they are mad at barr and me is because they didn't get the outcome they want. my friends on the other side want an outcome and they don't care how they get it. >> sean: you know, senator, i've known you a long time. i want you to delve into that line of questioning that i played where you went on your list, fisa abuse, the rigged criminal investigation into hillary. it was all rigged. she did violate the espionage act, 18 usc 793.

and it was classified top secret information on the server. she had an intent by bleach bit and hammers at points and sim cards but the intent was to destroy the evidence. obstruction, which the very thing liberals are caring about, that would be a slam dunk obstruction case to me. what are your thoughts? >> what i tried to show, when it came to the trump campaign, we had bob mueller, one of the most experienced lawyers, former fbi director, take two years, $25 million, 19 lawyers. everybody in the country believed he was a fair-minded guy and he reached a conclusion that the left does not like. but the verdict is in for mueller. no collusion. no obstruction. now, what i tried to show the public that when it came to clinton, clinton's email investigation there was no bob mueller, and hated trumps guts and wanted her to win hundred million to nothing but i wanted to know if the fisa warrant

obtained against carter page based on garbage, collected by foreign agent paid for by the democratic party. it is unverified to this day. and i want to find out, did they open up a counter intelligence investigation against president trump for bad motives? we will get the answers to those questions. >> sean: you know, i think this is important as well. okay, so the issue of finding out with that they rigged the clinton investigation -- is that the same time, kind of interesting. where did this originate? was crossed hurricane? important questions. let's talk about the pfizer abuse, now "the new york times" suggesting it might have been paid for russian information? wow, that is a big deal but more importantly, do you believe as i did, that a fraud was committed on the fisa court, fisa applications. i read something, the grassley-graham memo,

the bulk of application for fisa applications was the paid for dossier that might be rushing this information? is that true, sir? >> i know that mccabe said without the dossier, that there would be no warrant. i know to this day there is no verification of the dossier, literally a bunch of garbage. people certified to the court that it was reliable. i know that james comey, the fbi director, went after president trump, gave him the same dossier and told the president we can't verify. we just want you to know about it. that doesn't add up. we will look at all of that, but here's what i do know. nobody cares when the other side, what the fbi did or didn't do when it comes to clinton. they don't care what they did or didn't do when it comes to trump. they are trying to destroy his presidency. from their point of view, the rule of law is the tool to get an outcome. from my point of view, rule of including including president trump, including republicans. >> sean: you know something, senator, one of your finest moments in the kavanaugh hearing, it was interesting a

lot of i believers on the most outrageous allegation. we have serious allegations now about the attorney, i'm sorry, the lieutenant governor of the commonwealth of virginia, rape and violent sexual assault by two women. i don't hear the i believers, and i say if donald trump cured cancer and gave every american $5 million tonight and adopted a liberal agenda, they hate him, am i wrong? >> you are right and it's sad. bipartisanship is to be nice to their people, both for their judges, sit on the sidelines when destroy a trump judge. to give mueller space to do his job is not enough. when mueller gives an answer they don't like, they will destroy bill barr. bill barr is a fine man and will sleep well tonight. his critics are the problem and not him. >> sean: all right, senator, thank you for being with us. by the way, i have no joy at all. the fbi is the premier law enforcement agency in the world, the 99.9%.

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♪ >> sean: breaking moments ago from john solomon, congress and mark meadows has now officially filed a criminal referral against nellie ohr over alleged false testimony to congress and according to a new bombshell story from solomon, we now have more evidence of a backdoor channel between fusion gps, the department of justice. according to solomon's report, during 2016 election, nellie ohr was feeding her clinton funded

op research to not only her husband, but to other prosecutors inside the department of justice, which appears to directly conflict with her house testimony last year. that would be lying to congress. here to explain it from "the hill," john solomon an investigative reporter and "the russian hoax," and donald trump. fox news investigative reporter sara carter, either way, let me say to all three of you. that what barr confirmed today, it is over. the mueller report is over. he's not changing his mind, no collusion, no obstruction, but they did talk about criminal investigations into every single thing the three of you, i added a little bit myself, just a little. we have discussed for two plus years on his program -- right now -- by the way, i'm not happy about this. this isn't good for the country.

but it is imperative for the rule of law. john solomon, let's go to ukraine issue. remember there's a "new york times" piece to protect joe biden today because he literally held hostage american tax dollars as a means of browbeating the firing of the top law enforcement official in ukraine who was investigating his own son. >> yeah, a few times, sean, you asked when will the mainstream media paying attention to this. i think we are beginning to see people pay attention to the two and a half year narrative that gregg, sara, and myself have tried to report out because it was the fact and not because of an agenda, but because facts. it's nice to see other news media paying attention to important developments in these stories. i think today nellie ohr is a big sign of what is ahead. everybody who had contact with the justice department, everybody who perpetrated

the steele dossier, everybody who signed a fisa warrant, everybody who approved tactics against the president and his campaign during this investigation are now underre scrutiny and attorney general barr made that clear today. i think there will be a lot of bad conduct unmasked in the next few months and i use the word unmasked with tongue and cheek. unmasking is one of the issues we have to get back to. everything that gregg wrote about in his book, all the stories that sara wrote about and i've been ready to write about at "the hill," they are investigating in a serious way for the american people. >> sean: i could literally ask a billion questions but gregg, you watched a lot today. and i will throw it to you because basically corroborates the title, the substance of your book in a way that we all knew was true because we actually did the reporting. we actually checked the facts. we actually know what exists. >> that is right and the most important statement by william barr today was, we have to stop using the criminal

justice system as a political weapon. and what he meant by that is all of the people at the fbi and department of justice who abused their positions of power first to clear hillary clinton and then to frame donald trump for something he didn't do. and barr today vowed in no uncertain terms that he was going to examine not just a potential corruption in theth hillary clinton email case in t clearing her, but the origins of the trump-russia investigation. there was never any credible evidence to start it and then using christopher steele and, yes, he said he will look into t hillary clinton's payments for russian information to harm her political rival. the fisa abuse, lying to a fisa court. and don't forget james comey stealing government documents and leaking them to unauthorized individuals. so i think the first thing that is going to happen in the next

45 days is the inspector general's report. and i don't think it is possible that criminal referrals will not emanate from that. so people like james comey, mccabe, peter strzok, page, don't forget brennan, clapper. i think they are all in legal jeopardy now. >> sean: we also know from peter strzok and lisa page, closed-door testimony, this walks right into the attorney general under obama, loretta lynch's office, and frankly, right into the oval office. isara, but i will let your general comments go. >> absolutely, sean, they are going to look at a very expansive investigation into this. this is not just a fraud perpetrated on the foreign intelligence surveillance court. and the fisa abuse. this is a fraud against the american people. and against their vote for a duly elected president. so what they will look at, everybody who played a role in here, all of the evidence that we, john, gregg, you have put out over the past few years, the connections with the

people come of the most senior people in the obama administration. let's bring up ben rhodes. we just saw an interview with him with nicholas where ben a rhodes said we knew nothing about what was going on. well, ben rhodes, that was his job was to know what was going on. so right off of the bat, i think there is a conflict in his own statement. he and susan rice would have certainly been aware of investigations. he will be drawn back into this. i think the american people deserve answers and mostic importantly, gregg said and john said, michael horowitz will come out with his report. there will certainly be criminal referrals. >> sean: let me ask all three of you an exit question and i applaud all of you. i know you have a lot of work -- we all have a lot of work ahead of us. this will not berk over in a da, week, a month. it will take a year but it's coming out. do you agree with my statement that the attorney general confirmed it's over? the mueller report is over and he really announced today that everything we have been

reporting for two years is now beginning. >> i 100% agree with that. act one of the russia collusion drama is over. there is a sideshow with all these hearings going on now, but the next act of this drama will be the fisa abuse and the misuse of our intelligence community and there's going to be a lot of accountability. >> sean: and hillary's big investigation? right? s do you agree? >> i totally agree. you know, barr today said he seemed appalled that trump was never given the briefing, instead but the fbi decided to spy on trump's campaign. >> great point. >> sean: sara, last point? >> absolutely, the president of the united states did not conspire with russia. that is an absolute fact, did not, and there was absolutely no obstruction. there was nothing to obstruct. now act 2 begins as john said, the investigation into the investigators. >> sean: part 2 begins and that is the story we have been on and we will continue to stay on.

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♪ >> peter strzok says, just went to a southern virginia walmart. i could smell the trump supporter's. i cannot believe that a top official of this government with a kind of power that these people have, would try to exercise their own prejudices. that is what this is. it is open, blatant prejudice. they tried to use that in order to overturn a democratic election. entered my mind, that is the real crisis here. and it is a crisis, because if there is not accountability, if this can go on in the

united states of america, my goodness, gracious, we don't have a democracy anymore. >> sean: josh hawley exposing the real corruption scandal inside sadly the highest levels of our government. joining us with more reaction to today's senate hearing, missouri senator josh hawley, karl rove, great column on this by the way, senator, sorry i called you josh, disrespectful, -- i'm a professional. >> sure, you can. >> sean: in all seriousness, i want to know if you agree with my conclusion. the attorney general's answers to lindsey graham are clear. not changing his mind on the mueller report. karl wrote about this today. and these other issues are now in full investigative mode. do you agree with that conclusion of mine? >> absolutely. that is absolutely right. the attorney general could not have been more clear. the mueller report lays this false narrative of collusion and coordination, conspiracy to rest.

there was none of that stuff, no obstruction. what we need to find out now, sean, how did we get here? how do we get to the place the fbi treating the president of the united states as a spy? the elected president? because of i will tell you why, it's because of w contempt. people like peter strzok, a top official of the fbi at the timeh had nothing but contempt and condescension for the people who voted for donald trump. they mock them, they look down c on them. f peter strzok doesn't want thepl people who voted for donald trump to actually have their votes count. that is why where we are where we are and we have to make sure this never happens again. >> sean: karl, the senator is right because of what i have been saying for a long time now that if we don't -- i love the fbi. my mom was a prison guard and my dad and all my cousins cops, two guys made it to the fbi. i don't want to talk about the few the fbi that did wrong when so many, the 99 percent, do it all right. but if we don't get to the bottom of it, we have a serious issue in terms of this country

being a country that is founded on a constitution and rule of law. >> i think inspector horwitz is looking into some of these issues and the attorney general today clearly signal that all of these will be reviewed and reviewed in detail. it would be nice if as a country we could come together and agree that some of these practices shouldn't be used, whether you are republican or democrat, byd the committee hearing today demonstrated to me there is a complete lack of self-awareness on the part of senate democrats, which makes them unlikely to come around and focus on the problems we face as our country. take senator blumenthal. he went after attorney general barr, accusing, saying you are defending the president, lying to the american people. well, wait a minute, wasn't richard blumenthal the senator who lied for years about having been a vietnam war veteran? cory booker went after the attorney general saying you are attempting to normalize a contact between americanan campaigns and russian operatives

who provide material support to that campaign. well, what did christopher steele do with the money he was paid by the democratic national committee and the hillary clinton campaign? he goes and contacts kgb and fsb agents in moscow to say, do you have anything dirty to say about donald trump? >> sean: i think the evidenceay is overwhelming. incontrovertible. hillary clinton violated espionage act. she had the intent when she deleted bleach bit, beat up devices with hammers and pulled sim cards. that was the intent for underlying crime, which was the espionage act. i believe the dossier, "new york times" might be onto something, that could be russian disinformation. that was the bulk of information for fisa applications, and one direction to spy on the trump campaign and another, stefan halper halbert approaching papadopoulos and clovis and others, and page. and that, to me, would be fraud

on the court. and then they use the same line, russian dis-information, with that unduly elected president to take him out. i mean, karl. >> and today, booker is saying and acting as if nothing ever happened with christopher steele going to moscow, calling up his pals in moscow, saying, got any dirt on trump? same with kamala harris. she just grates on me and she goes after barr and says, did you ever look at the underlying evidence? he said, no, as a matter of fact, i assumed and took as fact what bob mueller told me in his 400 page report. well, she was a chief prosecutor in san francisco. c can she lick the camera straight in the eye and say that on every decision she made to indict somebody or not indict somebody, that she looked at all the underlying evidence? or did she rely on the police? absolutely right! yet this is the kind of stuff they were doing routinely today! editor speaks to the rage and the anger and a lack of

credibility of so many of these democrats who are on that committee today, who are sitting there presuming to judge when they are saying things that just go straight back aty. them. longing dick blumenthal. >> sean: do you agree -- and then i give the last word to the senator. do you agree with me that this is political suicide, what they are doing for them? i don't want to stop them being stupid and the green deal was icing on the cake. >> well, i do think it is bad. in my column, you were kind enough to mention the "wall street journal" tomorrow. i wish they wouldn't do it and certainly not good for the democratic party. >> sean: i've already seen it, sorry. last word, senator, where do we go from here?rt do you believe hillary might have broken the law, fisa obstruction happened, in other words, fisa abuse fraud, and did they try to use hillary's bought and paid for dossier to unseat a duly elected president? do you believe all that? >> i believe that is all possible and we have to get the facts, sean. that is where we go from here. we find out what happened and what the facts really are. t

we find out how a spy investigation against a duly elected president got launched. that is what we need to do. if we need a special counsel for that, by the way, i'm all for it. the american people deserve to know or else we don't have a democracy. >> sean: well said, thank you, sorry i gave i didn't know it was tomorrow away your column. but i thought it was today. you sent it to me. anyway, andy mccarthy calling mueller's letter a neat trick. he joins us and ken starr is going explain how, and the case of the attorney general, he didn't have to release any of this because democrats wanted it that way after the starr report. straight ahead. ♪ e announcer) get great deals on great gear at bass pro shops and cabela's. like redhead men's pocket tees and henleys for under $10. and save 50% on the ascend 720 dash pack. in stores and at basspro.com and cabelas.com

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out with a new op-ed discussing last night's convenient leak to "the washington post" and mueller's letter to barr with misgivings about barr summary of the special counsel report. mccarthy's piece called it a neat trick. joining us now with reaction, fox news contributor andy mccarthy and former independent counsel ken starr. you know what is interesting, andy, because, you know, when you look at what they did, they wanted to stir the pot and they got the leak, then you have to look in the body of what it says.an barr called mueller and mueller, no, nothing inaccurate or factually wrong in what you said in your four-page letter. nothing! >> sean, here is what happened here. mueller, when he got this investigation, was teed up for n basic obstruction and by then it was clear already that there was no collusion case, especially

if you stripped the clinton-provided steele dossier. and he didn't, mueller did not resolve the obstruction charge. which is really the only thing you arguably needed a special counsel for. barr put out a letter setting forth what the conclusions of the investigation were. and that letter made it obvious mueller had abdicated on the one thing he was needed for. mueller got a lot of criticism about that. and it upset him.el so he obviously wrote a letter to barr complaining. but what he was complaining about was not barr's articulation of the findings, but the media was giving him a hard time. when you've been the subject of fawning press for a couple of years and all of a sudden you are catching darts, it is upsetting. >> sean: you know, ken starr, great to see you. correct me if my memory is wrong, maybe i'm off here, but

isn't it true that people like jerry nadler -- you worked under the old independent counsel statute. guys like jerry nadler didn't want the starr report coming out. another democrat, just recollection, maybe i'm wrong, i don't think i am. and didn't the democrats, aren't they the ones that wanted to change and get rid of the independent counsel law after the impeachment? by the way, didn't you have eleven specific crimes bill clinton committed in your report? maybe i'm wrong. that you mention specifically. and they are the ones that gave barr the authority not to release anything. o he didn't have to release one word.rm >> that is exactly -- that is exactly right. we have really gone back to the old regime of the independent counsel statute. and we had turned our back on that. right? we said, no, we don't want that anymore. that was really a bad period. 21 years under the independent

counsel statute so for 20 years, sean, we've had a reasonable set of regulations. but bill barr said something interesting today. he said, i overrode the regulations. he had the power and authority to do it, but the irony is, bill barr is being savaged even though he has erred on the sider transparency, just as -- you are absolutely right about jerry nadler.f when he was in the house of representatives, then as opposed to now, he was opposed to the release of the starr report. he was right then. why was he right? because it was highly private material but nonetheless highly relevant to the house's consideration of the articles of impeachment. >> sean: how many specific crimes -- look, i was right about nadler, i guess i got lucky.y were there specific crimes that you talked about on clinton? >> absolutely. >> sean: how many? >> we began with perjury in the

civil deposition. there were 11 counts and all. it boiled down to perjury, in two venues, obstruction of justice, and here is the key, and abuse of power, that was count 11. >> sean: wow, i cannot believe i'm right on that, wow, amazing. great work, both of you. thank you both for being with us. covington catholic student nicholas sandmann, his lawyer, friend of mine, lin wood, filed another lawsuit. we will tell you which trump hating media organization better lawyer up and better check their bank accounts because they are going to pay a fortune. straight ahead. ♪ when you rent from national... it's kind of like playing your own version of best ball. because here, you can choose any car in the aisle, even if it's a better car class than the one you reserved.

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difficult to argue that he did not develop by and now the lawyers have filed a third lawsuit. it excludes msnbc for 205 main dollars. remember what it was posted on social media showing him starin down a native american man. the immediate narrativeng sayin covington kids were wrong. but the entire two hours of video shows that the altercatio started with the students being attacked. the students were not the instigators. lawyers have already suit the washington post and cnn and the say more are yet to come.

>> get your checkbooks out. you are all going to pay. massive amounts of money and yo deserve to. we will never be that fakeer ne media mob and now and will or i that. let your heart not be troubled, she was phenomenal in her coverage tonight. youu have a law degree. you are really smart. that law degree comes in handy. you know what you are talking about. we will like us a then write the whole time and mueller is dead. that issue is over. and now what we've we been talking about now begins. >> laura: i am glad, hannity was a white collar criminal defense attorney and did some clerkships and stuff like that. this is sick stuff. you manage to educate yourself on all of this. and we are so far ahead of the curve on all of these issues.