recovery. to everyone at the fresno fire department, you are our midnight heroes every day for what you do but for saving scrappy. most-watched, most trusted, most likely spent the evening with us. good night from washington, i'm shannon bream. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the democratic lawmaker in the city of philadelphia for rates and threatens teenage girls for praying outside of an abortion clinic. it's a remarkable story, you might not believe it actually happened had it not been caught on tape, but it was. want to be intimate with trace gallagher who has details on exactly what happened. trace. >> the entire video of pennsylvania democratic lawmaker brian sims verbally harassing a woman protesting outside of planned parenthood was live streamed for 8 minutes. we're going to show you the theme of the full 8 minutes, which is representative sims maintaining that protesters are

"racist, classist bigots, who deserve our righteous opposition" when the woman he's taping tells him to stop, he threatens to docs or, publish your private information. watch. take a hi of everyone, representative brian sims here. i'm once again out in front of planned parenthood of southeastern pennsylvania. today's protester. she is an old white lady was going to try to avoid showing you her face. an old white lady telling people what's right to do with their bodies. shame on you. shame! shame! shame on you. you can give me her address, we will protest out in front of her home. let's go protest out in front of her house. this is a racist act of judgment and you have no business being out here. this is what they deserve and this is what they need. >> and when a pro-life organization live action posted a video saying the broadcast violates the company's rules of behavior, sims responded saying

"bring it on bible bullies" and planned parenthood protesters are scum. later when he got blasted by state and national republicans, he issued a half-hearted apology, quoting again "i know that two wrongs don't make a right, especially when i'm on the front lines of this civil rights battle. i can do better and i will do better for the women of pennsylvania. but it's not two wrongs do making a right, it's three. sims also abused protesters last month. watch. >> hi of everyone. brian sims here and i am outside the planned parenthood, a bunch of pseudo-christian protesters who offend shaming young girls for being here. i've got $100 to anybody who will identify any of these three. i'm going to donate to planned parenthood. a bunch of white people standing out in front of a planned parenthood. shaming people. if there's nothing christian about what you're doing. >> some pennsylvania lawmakers are calling for a criminal investigation of his behavior.

tucker. >> tucker: trace gallagher, thanks very much for that. ashley direct is the mother you just saw in that video and she joins us tonight from philadelphia. thanks very much for coming on. you were there in the video with three girls, i think two of them are yours, how old are they? >> so my daughters are 15 and 13 and my daughter's friend who was with us is also 15. >> tucker: 15 and 13, what did they think of this? >> it was a shocking experience. what is not seen in that video was our first interaction with mr. simmons. he approached us about 20 minutes before that, came in, i would say came and hot. he came in yelling at us. and really was yelling very directly at the girls, very specifically at the girls, so i moved myself in between him and

the girls and ask him please talk to me, let's have a conversation, the two of us as to adults. but he continued to yell at the girls and then eventually he left and about 10 minutes later is when he came back, videotaping us. after our first altercation with him, i went and talked to my girls and told them i'm really sorry this happened, i'm really proud of you guys for being here. this was something that we wanted to do as a prophylactic service as we prepared for the easter treaty room, which was going to begin that night with holy thursday mass and i told him sometimes it's hard to do the right thing, but i was really proud of them. sadly, ironically, the two older girls looked at me and said mom, that was nothing compared to what people were screaming at us at the march for life in january. they went to the march for life with her high school. so i guess i was grateful that

they had had some experience before, they were prepared for it and because they were able to kind of stay calm, that helped my younger daughter stay calm. and we prayed for him then. i said we will continue to pray for him. and just try to do the right thing. so then he came back. again, videotaping us. we weren't as shocked because we had just had the interaction with him about 10 minutes prior. but it was -- my adrenaline was up as a mom. my adrenaline was running. >> tucker: he seems to threaten you. he offers money for your identities. >> yes.

we were really here just praying for these women and babies, we are not looking for an altercation. i never come to clinics looking for a fight. it's always just with people though my peaceful, prayerful and ten. i was concerned that he said multiple times that he wanted the identities of my daughters. we were at that point already done, we had finished our prayers, we were leaving, so when i realized he was not going to enter any kind of productive dialogue, i thought we will discontinue our exit and we will just leave. i didn't ever think more would really come of it. >> tucker: he a taxi for more than just your skin color. what does that mean? >> i have no idea what it means. my daughters and i are caucasian but we were there to play for all women. we certainly don't look as the

color of their skin as they come and go. my daughter's friend is not caucasian, that's very evident, in her video she said several times to him over the course of our interactions, i'm not white, sir. i noticed in the video at least once. fortunately we kind of got a laugh out of that because he was saying literally just didn't make sense. it didn't make sense. >> tucker: and it's a racist attack. it's bizarre. as the democratic party of pennsylvania or philadelphia apologize to you? >> i have not been contacted. i haven't been contacted by anyone in the democratic party about the situation at all. >> tucker: he calls you racist. as i understand that you are arguing for fewer abortions among african-american women. he's arguing for more, but you're the racist. >> yeah. >> tucker: does that make sense? >> doesn't make sense to me. you have to ask mr. sams what his logic is behind that.

>> tucker: we try. he won't come on tonight. you were gracious enough to come. we are glad that you did. thanks very much. >> thank you. >> tucker: at this point we should remind you that despite what you just saw and despite all appearances, brian sims is not a mentally ill panhandler or a vagrant with a drug problem screaming at strangers, it looks like it, but he's not. he's an elected lawmaker. he represents central philadelphia and the pennsylvania house of our present lives. he's a star, by the way in the democratic party. he's hung out with pete buttigieg. he's got a robust social media following. you can check. in 2014, the abortion clinic lobby gave him a top award. here's a picture of him with the president the leasehold. the american bar association also gave him an award for something or other. in 2013 when she became ambassador to japan, caroline kennedy asked sims to deliver the keynote at her swearing in. in other words, in the modern democratic party, brian sims is a totally and completely

mainstream figure. he's also, as you just saw, a frothing extremist who is willing to threaten teenagers and attack them for their skin color simply because they disagree with him. sims called other people racist because they want fewer black women to abort their children. the whole thing is totally deranged. but it's entirely okay with democrats. the pennsylvania democratic party has not even commented on what brian sims did. nobody at cnn is announcing stomach denouncing him. sienna's website doesn't even have a story about this as of this hour. by what it? he's the kind of politician, so it's not news. it never even happened. remember that the next time they call you immoral. it won't be long. dave rubin hosts the rubin report on youtube and he joins us now. so you almost get sick of these double standards stories were people on the left are allowed to do things that people on the right would be indicted for doing but this is so over-the-top. you have to kind of wonder, is there a limit really?

>> i truly wish at this point that there was almost anything that could shock me coming out of the progressive movement, but the answer is no. look, there was a bigot and a racist and a bully in those videos, but it was the guy that was holding the camera. this is an elected official who was trying to offer money to dox, that means release personal information about people that potentially i assume within his district. and it's beyond just what this guy is doing, the bullying that he's doing in the name of being so self-righteous. it's also the fact that, as you noted, he used a twitter video app to broadcast that video. you're not allowed to dox people according to the twitter terms of service. so it's not just that the democrats won't say anything and it's not just at cnn is not going to run the story, it's also that the tech companies, and this goes to so much of what we've been talking about over the last few months, it's that the tech companies are going to ban him.

meanwhile, they will ban conservatives -- just this afternoon david horowitz, a "new york times" best-selling author who's been on my show and probably on your show and is a good and decent guy, he was banned just this afternoon. or he was suspended just this afternoon i should say. but the point is the double standards that are dealing with not only when it comes to how the media deals with these people but also the tech companies, this is really, really becoming the issue of 2019 and i think there's almost no low enough for these guys because they never get called out on it except on some places on youtube like on my show and at some places on cable news like yours. >> tucker: but screaming at teenage girls? are attacking them for their skin color? and then calling other people racist? the whole thing is so demented that it's just hard to believe it's real. >> try to imagine -- let's just flip the script for a second. let's pretend he was a conservative or a republican, or anyone that remotely leaned

right or was anything other than a full on leftist progressive and he was doing the exact same thing. the media would be having a field day. the 20 democratic candidates would be claiming this is proof that america is an evil white racist patriarchal country. we played -- where are all the people who are blaming all of the covington kids? where is the outrage when it is right in your face and it's done by an elected official? but they unfortunately, they know they will not be called out in any mainstream outlet in the disconnect here. this is my real fear, is that all of us are going to start living in his little siphon places where we are just going to figure out what our reality is and it won't have a bearing on what real reality is. but this is where, where others would come up democrats? where the real liberals will just step up and say you know what? we will not tolerate this, that was absolutely wrong, and just say we are not going to do this anymore. but they won't do it because for whatever reason, i have some theories on this, they are

consistently led by their worst actors, because they think it gives them the moral high ground and that's a really depressing race to the bottom. >> tucker: it's a very deep point that you may, they are led by their worst actors. they are not all bad but they are too afraid to stand up for people who are. that cowardice will get you to where we are today. thank you, very smart, as always. >> thanks. >> tucker: for two years president trump was ridiculed for pointing out that maybe the obama administration spied on him. turns out the obama administration did spy on him. that's not speculation, that's fact. the people who claimed it was a lie ready to apologize? that's next. and breaking news involving trump's tax returns. the story has just broken, seconds ago. we will have more on what we know and what it means, straight ahead. ♪

>> tucker: we've got a fox news alert for you. if "the new york times" has released new information on teno years of the president's tax returns, 1985-1994. these aren't the actual returns, they are xeroxed copies of tax information. they say they got it legally. it's not clear where they got it. some special action that it came from the president's expression to my personal attorney michael cohen. we don't know that. apparently the information shows the president was reporting millions of dollars of losses some years in the '80s and 90s and that he may have taken those losses to avoid paying as much in taxes at times. he's not suggesting that crimes were committed here, which is interesting, because the application always was the tax returns would reveal some kind of felony. if they do, the times is not reporting it. by the way, there was clearly some kind of collusion between

"new york times" and cnn, which broke the story just moments ago,o, the second the times released it. we will have much more. but first, early in his presidency, donald trump made the surprising claim the obama administration spied on him during a 2016 race. that produced aned immediate backlash for the president did not back off and said he repeated the allegation. in fact, to us, including to us right here on the show. >> on march 4th, 6:30 five in the morning, you're down in florida and you tweet the former administration wiretapped me, surveilled me at trump tower during the last election. how did you find out? you said i just found out. >> i've been reading about things. i read and i think it was january 20th, "the new york times" article where they were talking about wiretapping. there was an article. i think they use that exact term. if you take a look at some of the things written about wiretapping and eavesdropping and don't forget when i say wiretapping, those words were,"

that really covers because wiretapping is pretty old-fashioned stuff but that covers surveillance and many other things. >> tucker: surveillance and many other things. thet next day the political duct director over at cnn march the president for saying this and called him a liar. watch this. >> he can no longer justify not retracting those tweets, apologizing for accusing barack obama of a crime without any evidence whatsoever. i just think the white house isn't such a pickle on this, they've been twisting themselves in a pretzel. the president looked like a third-grader in in that interview yesterday trying to squirm out.ak it's just not okay for the president of the united states to make this kind of completely unsubstantiated claim. >> tucker: it's just not okay for them to criticize barack obama. siena political director. he wasn't the only one, by the way. the senate intel committee released a statement suggesting trump was lying too. keep in mind the chairman is a

republican from north carolina and then every bland clueless person in washington and consensus here in d.c. lined up to denounce the big orangede li. watch. >> president trump has a new favorite word and every time he uses it he is lying. that is the word spy. >> these baseless claims of spies. >> this is the president of the united states telling people don't believe what this federal government is doing, and that has very dangerous consequences. >> the notion that somehow the fbi implanted, planted, someone inside the campaign to spy on the campaign is just not true. >> there's absolutely no evidence there was a spy. he wants her to believe that his thcampaign was spied on and if e of the worst things that we've ever seen from government. >> tucker: one of the worst things we've everhe seen. not the spying! people talking about the spying. okay. once again it turned out that trump was absolutely right and

the people were flexing were calling him liar were h totally wrong and dumb about it and self-righteous, as they always are. the fbi did spy on trump campaign. he sent an undercover operative to speak with george papadopoulos under false pretenses. that is called spying. do we expect an apology from any of these people soon? will and will lose the job for pushing bogus information aspect? no. instead, they're just going to redefine what spying means. if they've already redefined what sex means, what it means to be a man and woman, so not a big deal to redefine something as filing or surveilling or monitoring or whatever. very frustrating to watch, but what happens next is the question. well, for that we could to a former assistant director of intelligence for the fbi. he predicts that jim comey could be in trouble for the way he handled the 2016 trump investigation. if he joins us tonight. thanks very much.h. >> my pleasure, thanks for having me on. >> tucker: when you say the former fbi director could face consequences, what do you mean?

>> would get kind of hung up on this term of spying. my concern is to the fbi break rules under james comey and andrew mccabe as they were leaving a counterintelligence investigation out of the seventh floor of the director's office of the fbi headquarters? unprecedented. these investigations are normally carried out by veteran counterintelligence agents out on the field. o but here they created a bubble or a cadre of investigators to investigate whether or not there is some collusion between the russians and the trump campaign. and they started running source sources, confidential sources against members of the campaign. and we know now that they approached the court and he got electronic surveillance warrant to surveilled carter page. surveillance is much more powerful than using a euphemism like spying. >> tucker: of course. >> i refer to it as a nuclear option of intelligence collection. it is highly invasive. it is more than wiretapping somebody were listening to their

phone conversations the court order you to monitor everything about that person. to plant microphones, cameras, whatever it takes to capture conversations. >> tucker: here's the part of never understood that no one haf ever explained, if they really worried that people connected to the campaign were colluding with russia, why wouldn't they have told donald trump? the candidate about a? >> that is a key, key question because veteran counterintelligence agents are puzzled about this as well. if there is no doubt that the fbi should and could investigate russian activities in this country targeting our citizens and targeting our government. but normally when russia intersects with a u.s. person or a u.s. citizen, the fbi goes to that person and warns them about what russia is up to and ask for their cooperation so that we can obtain more intelligence about what the russians are up to.

>> tucker: pringle. >> so why they decided from the outset to make members of the trump campaign a target of a counterintelligencen investigation is stillzz a puzze because the predication to do so is literally not there according to the mueller report. >> tucker: just very quickly, having done this or her life, you think that's very odd, to be clear about it. >> it's extremely odd. it's the not the normal way a counterintelligence investigation is pursued. so that then begs the question that i think william barr is getting at, that is let's go back to the beginning andnd find out how this all got started. >> tucker: nicely put. thank you very much for that. reallyt. interesting. maybe even more spying we don't know about. this morning george papadopoulos tweeted he may has been monitored as early as the end of 2015. he has a new book about his experience titled "deep state target." george papadopoulos joins us tonight. thanks a lot for coming on. thanks for having me.

>> tucker: you said this morning that you believe you are being monitored even before you connected formally with the trump campaign. is that right? >> absolutely. so i, in november of 2015, it was the same month that i was joining the ben carson campaign because people forget that i was on his campaign before i joined trump's campaign. i was livingon i in london and d been approached by high-level state department officials and even the cia in london and they invited me to the u.s. embassy to meet with me and to basically probe me and to get to know why i'm joining the ben carson campaign and what the ben carson campaign was really all about and the man who invited me was daily coverage who still works at the u.s. embassy in london and i think is directing energy department over there. so clearly by november 2015, i don't think that trump's campaign was the only one that was under surveillance, quite refrankly. i think many of the republican candidates probably had some

sort of illicit surveillance upon their own campaigns because it wasn't just donald trump who was running for the presidency against clinton and vying to overthrow that. >> tucker: i know it's a long story, but as to simply as you can, why in the world what our intelligence agencies have an interest in which campaign you are joining? >> i think bob mueller might have dropped a really important piece o of information that many reporters overlooked, and that was that they stated that there were wiretaps and surveillance warrants issued on me for my ties to the israeli government. everybody watching this program, israel is america's top ally in the world. and bob mueller stated in his reports that there were wiretaps psand likely possibly i've been told a fisa warrant issued on me for my connection, legitimate connections to the israeli government. so i think that what this whole story about myself and others --

nothing to do with russia. it probably hass something to do with my ties to other governments and they basically threw me in the middle of this russia c conspiracy to cover tht up. if there is no otheruc explanation. >> tucker: by other governments, just to be clear, you mean israel. >> i mean israel and i'm just quoting bob mueller himself and it wasan very strange that he admitted that. i even tweeted that just today and the language is all there. when i was being approached by these assets, u.s. intelligence, british intelligence and australian intelligence from 2015 through 2016, there were always asking me to disparaging questions, one, for your personal contacts, and to go, what trump is up to with russia. there was clearly monitoring and i think that's what william barr is going to get to the bottom of, why these assets were targeting me and others. >> tucker: looking glass world are right in the middle of it. george papadopoulos, thank you for that. >> it's incredible. thank you. >> tucker: it is a credible.

facebook is one of the world's most powerful companies. now it's using its power to police what you would die and the rest of us say online. how should we respond to that? that's next. also we have no information about nearly a decade of donald trump's tax transcripts. if we are assessing that and we will have more for you after the break. ♪

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♪ >> tucker: this is a fox news alert. as we just told you, t >> tucker: this is a fox news alert. as we just told you "the new york times" released new information on a decade of the president's taxes. trace gallagher has been taking a close look at what they putk out there and joins us with an update on it. trace. >> we are scanning the article. it's important to note off the top the tax records do not include information or taxes at the center of the president's escalating battle with a congre. there are no allegations of crimes or financial misdeeds. instead, the records go back to the late '80s, early part of the 90s, here's the presidents have already admitted were at the very least tumultuous. for example, the times ist

reporting that by the time donald trump's art of the deal booked hit shelves in 1987 he was already in deep financial distress, meaning tens of millions in debt and during the decade from 1985 to 1994, the times says trump's losses totaled just over $1.1 billion. remember, this is investors and loan money primarily. a few points there. during that time, mr. trump bought eastern airlines shuttle for 365 million. it never turned a profit and he was spending upwards of $7 million a month to keep it off and flying. and his taj mahal hotelah and casino, it opened in 1990 with more than 800 million in debt and to keep it floating, his business is pulled from other casinos, placing them in the right as well. the times is reporting because of all the losses that trump paid no federal taxes in eight of the ten years. charles jay harter, a lawyer for the president told the times on saturday that the information

was demonstrably false and the y statements about the tax returns 30 years ago are highly inaccurate saying, and i'm quoting here, "irs transcripts, particularly before the days of electronic filing, are notoriously inaccurate and would not be able to provide a reasonable picture of any taxpayers returns. we should also point out the times did not obtain the actual tax returns. they got the information from someone who was unidentified who had access to the tax information. we are still scanning for more stuff. and we will bring it to you. we will wait until they get yours and mine. trace gallagher, good to see you. >> thanks. >> tucker: would put off a lot of trust -- we put complete trust really what the tech companies. there is very little evidence that they deserve that trust. just today a tech company founders told the senate that silicon valley is deceiving

americans cannot possibly protect their data. fox news headlines 24/7 anchor brett larson joins us with more that story. >> it does seem like every day we are getting little gems of information about what exactly technology companies know about us but for the most part we continue to be in the i dark abt what we know about them when it comes to our privacy. we are not quite ready to wave the white flight but in a senate banking committee hearing today you might be tempted. pin board founder started with an analogy to the implications of another big scientificc breakthrough. >> i worry that we are in the same position as the nuclearst industry was in the early '50s. we have an amazing new technology with real potential, but we are not being honest about the risks and our incapacity to store a wasteful and harmful byproducts. >> in this case it's not radioactive waste coming out of the south end of silicon valley, it's your personal data and a

lot of it. >> the pattern that i've seen in my industry is one of deceit. if we are not honest about what we collect. >> were ski notes aren't any rules for all of this and those user license agreements we mindlessly click through, they do that for a reason, because they are comp on purpose, as noted by louisiana senator kennedy. >> the problem of one seems t to me is the user agreement. why don't we just require social media companies to write user agreements in plain english? what that help with the problem? >> i think that user agreement would just say we are taking aln your data, yes or no. >> this is always the pivot point when we have these discussions about our data, it's in the user agreement. whatat we do. we've explained us, we get it, where the product when we use these free services but why not do what the us other companies do when there's a free level of

service? tell users what you're tracking to provide thehedo service. don't likeke it? upgrade to their next tear and pay the money to be not tracked. >> tucker: i don't think that's an option next.il >> no. still not an option. you still can't log into facebook and say stop tracking me. >> tucker: brett larson, great to see you tonight, thank you for that. we wound up in a place with the biggest tech companies in this country have virtually unlimited power to silence or amplify what is set online and net now, lepper facebook, they are using metric at all the political conversation. if they are not support banning individuals and groups it says are dangerous, they are also prohibiting users from holding certain opinions. facebook says you can share, for example, info wars videos, but only if you condemn them. if you hold a different opinion they will censor you. former president of the aclu, one of the t really champions of silvered stomach civil liberties left on the left so we are glad to have her on. thank you very much for coming on. >> my pleasure, tucker.

>> tucker: uni who are older grew up in a world where we really believe the government was the preeminent threat to speech. and all of a sudden we wake up in a world where s big companies seem to have more power than the federal government and they really are in control of the publicco conversation. it was reaction tohi this? >> this is a very concerning problem,uc tucker, because the social media companies, as the supreme court itself said in a unanimous decision, have more power to control public discussion. not only conversations among our friends in a personal sense, but conversations about public policy issues. conversations with political candidates and we the people, who have sovereign power under our constitution, can't responsibly exercise it if we are subject to arbitrary and discriminatory censorship by the

powerful social media companies. the so-called standard of dangerous speech is so inherently subjective there is essentially unfettered discretion on the part of these companies to pick and choose which ideas they agree with and think are not dangerous versus the ones they disagree with and think are dangerous. regardless of your ideological views, you should be very alarmed about that much power residing in these private companies. as a civil libertarian, i tend to be skeptical about government power but at least government has some accountability. >> tucker: exactly! speak of the people. whereas these private sector companies are interested in and legally they have a responsibility to their shareholders, to their business interests. their corporate bottom line. if so like the worst of both worlds. they have all the power that traditionally belonged only to

government and yet they are not subject to the limits that are on government, including the constitution itself. many people do not understand that the first amendment free speech guarantee only applies to the government. we literally have no constitutional free-speech rights, with respect to facebook or other powerful social media companies. >> tucker: i don't think anybody could have put it as crisply and as well as you just did and i hope that you are heard by people you agree with, by the way as well as people i agree with on the right. >> and we have to point that out. today's company might consider d people on the far right to be dangerous, but the next company might come along and think thit planned parenthood or the aclu is dangerous. >> tucker: exactly. on the show, i'm not bragging, we will defend their rights to say things we disagree with because we mean it. >> as i have defended your rights. >> tucker: and i appreciate that. thank you so much. moments, mayor pete

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♪ >> tucker: for weeks the media have been reporting a new religious movement, the cult of the buttigieg. he's aul different kind of democrat, they told us. he's nicer, moderate, more open to cover my spirit even a little traditional. he's religious, though not in a way anyone can explain or that actually means anything. he's perfect. fortunately being likable is no longer an asset in the democraticn party, certainly not in the primary. two years from now a nice candidate will be remembered as a nice loser, the guy who topped out at 10%. he doesn't want that.

he wants to win, so now st. pete of south bend is turning to the dark side. it all began when he denounced the vice president for the crime of one, saying nice things about him. buttigieg said that he needed to revalued his relationship with god. he's a theologian now. this morning on "the today show" buttigieg explained that god is definitely against his political enemies. >> it's also important that we stopse seeing religion used as a kind of cultural, as if god belonged to a political party, and if he did, i can't imagine it would be the one that sent the current president into the white house. >> tucker: [laughs] so religion should notot be used as a political cultural, and by the way, god hates republicans. he told me that! unbelievable. how about america? america is not even much betters buttigieg says. he says the country that gave him limitless opportunities, made him a rhodes scholar is never actually a great place.

>> communities like the one where i grew up, which is an industrial and western city that isur exactly the kind of place that our current president targeted with a message saying that we could find greatness by just stopping the clock and turning it back. in making america great again. when that past that he is promising to return us to was never as great as advertised. >> tucker: 's coffee consultant tie on. it's all pretty dark really, so is the press reconsidering his love affair with him now that he's no longer a sunny optimist? no. not at all. they love him more than ever. over on msnbc a guy called donnie deutsch somehow got his own show on the weekends. this saturday he was the first episode of his show to suck up to st. pete in a way that is frankly almost pornographic. you have to ask yourself how little self-respect you would haveab to have two gravel like

before politician. watch. >> your resume comment and resume is not a brand, it's attributes but a harvard grad that traditional in an untraditional way religious, rhodes scholar, you bring out hope in the better interest in all of us. when i read about you i'm like, i'm not doing so bit in my life, i can do better. >> tucker: when i look at you, i hate myself. we could go on, but it feels too dirty. instead we are joined by u.s. journalist chad with more was going to assess that a little more coolly than we can. can you imagine. i don't care who it is pretty can you imagine looking at a politician and sucking up like that? wouldn't you hate yourself? >> you must hate yourself. you havee to. they have to really cover for the fact that if there were no identity politics involved, no one would know who this guy is, nor should they know who this guy is! all you have to do -- suppose that during a time in south bend

he had really made an effort to fix the massive poverty problem, the huge crime epidemic, and the plummeting housing costs, especially in the west side of town, which is traditionally a black neighborhood. it's a horriblee place. if he had fixed those things, that would have been remarkable. of course that wouldn't have made him a democrat because that's not how democrats run cities, but that would be something to talk about. so they have to run with this -- they're trying to create all of these things out of nowhere. i seem to recall another aloof intellectual young midwestern democrat politician describing a magic wand and things of that nature. i believe he was president for a while and things didn't go so well. mayor pete -- east 37 years old, became of an age after nafta. they came of age after free-trade carpet bombed the region he's from. baylor pharmaceuticals.

just finally closed their final factory there. hemorrhagingta jobs, thousands f jobs since nafta since 1994. this is what people mean when they say make america great again. it's mainly an economic argument, but these elite far less, these out of touch liberals and journalists want to pretend that it's some kind of a race cry when it couldn't be further from the truth. >> tucker: so smart. you're absolutely right. it is in fact an argument primarily about economics, about trade and immigration and the effect of immigration onn wages in the merely turned it into the dumbest, shallowest kind of like skin color questions, why? >> what else do they have? they have nothing else because the people who can't make america great again arein the people whose lives they ruined, whose communities they run, that's the democrats and republicans, the establishment. they went all in for nafta, the media went all in for nafta. this of the people -- pete's

constituents, his neighbors. people from the area where he is from and he has been protected his whole life being a wealthy privileged son of a communist professor that he doesn't understand this. that's very surprising. and they have no other argument because otherwise they would have to acknowledge the fact of how they completely ruined so many communities in this country. >> tucker: that is so smart. when you said that clearly it becomes really obvious. thank you for that. >> thanks, always a pleasure. >> tucker: censorship is not simpler problem online, it's everywhere. an art gallery is censoring part of its collection following complaints from visitors. that'slo next. ♪ so... you're driven, and you have a ton of goals... but you're stuck in the vicious cycle of credit card payments. it's time to get a personal loan from sofi. borrow up to $100k to pay off your credit cards, and then pay us back with one monthly payment. and it's all with zero fees. get a personal loan, and pay no fees.

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why should visual art be spared from the mob? it's not. in the u.k. and our gallery was displaying work that mixes an image of a naked woman with the islamic declaration of faith. visitors complained in the gallery has cover that work with a sheet. andrew doyle created to tanya mental graph twitter account, wrote the book, probably the best book of the last decade and he joins us tonight we are proud to say. thank you very much for coming on today.on >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: when you see this happening in an art museum and the facts are out why it happened, but the idea of a museum covering up a work of art, what's your reaction? >> i find it very depressing. i think anybody was in the creative industry will find that a depressing thing. the art gallery are claiming they are not censoring. if this is not censorship, they're just covering it up so no one can see it. what strikes me is not much of a difference, to be honest. >> tucker: they're really saying that? >> they are. this came about because the

artist himself made the claim that this would be a respectful solution to the complaints. use the actual phrase a perespectful solution but theres no problem here. people are going to get offended by all sorts of things. it's really about we shouldn't be compared to relating to people. i think it's perfectly possible that the artist is actually done this is a kind of publicity stunt and if so, well done, because we are talking it but the very fact that he can do that would suggest we are living in this culture were people know that if they complain about something, if they take that moral high ground, people will appease them and they will censor things and they will shut people down and that's these problem, which got a culture of events are. we got to deal with that. i don't think any belief, whether it's political, religious, whatever should be -- no one likes to be offended, no one o likes to get upset or to e mocked, but that the price you pray for living in a free society. >> tucker: and that is in fact the price you pay for art and science and any kind of advancement in the human condition. very quickly, where the artist? wired artists raising their voices against this moment of

censorship? >> this iss a real issue, actually. the big problem with artist and art generally is not censorship as such, it's not the galleries or the states were censoring their work, it's self-censorship. something about the climate that we have created, which means that artists are now worrying and second-guessingg everything they do, everything they produce. they're starting to think with his damage my career? will this cost protest? particularly in the age of social media, will there be a twitter mob on my front step? that's the issue now. this is really damaging for art generally because no great advancements have been made in the artistic world felt risk-taking and artists and comedians and performers andd musicians, whatever, have to be free to feel that they can take risks, even to get it wrong, because otherwise nothing good will come of that. i think it will be created. >> tucker: this is a dark age andd you are one of the few bright spots i would say it was dark age. thank you very much. >> thanks a lot. >> tucker: good to see her tonight. we will be backa w tomorrow, te show that is the sworn enemy of

lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. dvr it if you know what how that works. in the meantime, good night from washington. taking up the baton from new york city, sean hannity. >> sean: i loved her laugh on the donny deutsch tape. >> tucker: so ridiculous. >> sean: you can't make this up. it writes itself every night. great stuff. that was a good laugh. welcome to "hannity," buckle up in subpoenas, threats of contempt, calls for impeachment of pretty much everyone and oh, yeah, obsessive hysteria over decades old tax documents that reveal nothing new and absolutely nothing illegal in the media is going nuts again. that's right, because mueller didn't come out the way they want to, let's move onto the next conspiracy theories and speaking of which, maybe hillary clinton colluded with china to release them, because she said china, i hope you're listening, release the tax returns, and are they are in