>> bill: got 13 seconds story out of florida russia hacking no data manipulated by the russians. election results not compromised happened in two counties gained access to spear fishing email which we had heard before. >> sandra: outnumbered starts now. >> harris: we begin with a fox news alert. new reaction from the president moments ago to attorney general william barr appointing a u.s. attorney to investigate the ohr gins of the russia probe. and the new prosecutor has been on the case, we have now learned, for weeks. this is outnumbered. i'm harris faulkner. here today co-host of "the five" juan williams. great to have you. >> great to be here this rainy day. >> too much rain. >> juan: yeah. sit back and groove own a

rainy day. >> exactly. >> harris: u.s. attorney in connecticut john durham tapped to look into the intelligence gathering operation trump campaign in 2016 and beyond. he is to determine whether it was, quote: lawful and appropriate end quote. we are getting new reaction to this big development. former director of national intelligence james clapper served in the obama administration at the time of the russia probe. and he is suggesting this is all unnecessary. and he says the focus should be on russia's medaling not the decisions of the justice department. watch. >> you are going to have to stand in line and take a number to do investigation of the investigators. there is already one substantial investigation, which, as i understand is nearing completion being conducted led by the department of justice inspector general. we're kind of losing sight of what was the cause of all of this, the predicate for all of this was the russians. the message i almost take away from all of this well we should have ignored that.

well, that was a profound threat and still is. >> harris: moments ago at the white house live on fox news president trump saying he was not aware of the new investigation but expressed his support for it. >> i didn't know it. i didn't know it. but i think it's a great thing that he did it. i saw it last night. and they want to look at how that whole hoax got started. it was a hoax. it was the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the people of this country. and you know what? i am so proud of our attorney general that he is looking into it. i think it's great. i did not know about it, no. >> harris: the new probe comes alongside two others. a review by the doj inspector general michael horowitz with results expected as early as this month. and one by the u.s. attorney john huber who was appointed by former attorney general jeff sessions. a lot of investigations and now one looking into the

origins of the russia probe. juan? >> juan: i'm surprised in the sense that michael horowitz the inspector general was already doing an investigation, i thought, of the origins of the probe, looking at what the fbi had done and whether it was appropriate. but this has become so political now it looks like you are simply having people shooting -- one side shooting at the other. last week james baker, who was the former lawyer for the fbi came out and said he is just tired of all of this. he said there was no spying. he said the russians were trying to influence and interfere with the election and we now know that's right. and we had to look into it. i buy that. i understand now that president trump and, i'm surprised that the attorney general bill barr. >> harris: this is what he said he would do. >> juan: why? is it all politics? >> melissa: you said the inspector general was already looking into it and made clear that the inspector general isn't able to look into everyone already left office no jurisdiction over those people in the government any longer. the reason they would have to do this because if folks

dni clapper or folks who don't work there anymore the ig has no jurisdiction over those people at all. >> juan: the point of the inquiry, melissa, is how did this happen? was it a case that the investigators, in fact, were prejudiced against. >> melissa: right. they don't work there anymore. >> juan: it doesn't matter, jim comey, andrew mccabe were players in that decision. i would like to know what happened. >> melissa: yeah. >> juan: i thought horowitz. >> melissa: he can't investigate the very people you mentioned because he doesn't have jurisdiction over them. >> harris: subpoena that's what i thought. >> melissa: he can't do anything to them. he has no jurisdiction. >> harris: so if there was a crime or something that they have done wrong and that can be adjudicated and looked into outside of his purview, he can compel them by subpoena or they can volunteer. >> melissa: can't do anything to them is my point. there is nothing he can do to them. >> lisa: additionally, too,

the inspector general feels like the inspector general's investigation too limited in scope and needs to go beyond that if you are interested in getting at the bottom you need to look at the does yea. very clear it was a pile of lies. you have the "new york times" admitting it was also possibly russian disinformation. so you would think if you were actually interested in russian interference you you would want to get to the bottom of you who that democrat opposition piece of research was used by the federal government. we know that the fbi used the dossier to obtain fisa warrants to spy on the trump administration. or surveil or trump campaign or surveil, depending on whatever words, semantics you want to use. point being they used to to obtain a fisa warrant. we know they withheld that critical information about the fact it was paid by the democratic party from the court. so, at the very least, you would think if you were interested and potential russian interference or abuse by the government, you would want to look at that.

>> dagen: melissa is right. the inspector general does not have subpoena power. they do not use the grand jury. and they -- michael horowitz has no power to question anybody who no longer works for the fbi. they can just refuse. they can say we're not coming. we're not showing up. same goes tort intelligence community. and apparently, the inspector general is honing in on the fisa abuse. that seems to be a real critical focus why these -- this warrant, this surveillance warrant was renewed time and again when clearly, you mentioned this last week on the sofa, that christopher steele the man who assembled this now debunk dossier had his credibility had been called into question. and that they everywhere were ug over and over again in renewals this yahoo news article as evidence of steele's credibility but he planted that article, essentially. it's all out there. >> melissa: they had to sign off and testify to the fact that their informant, there

was nothing outstanding against the informant that he was totally credible and that no one had, you know, raised any knocks against him and they continued to sign that even after he had been fired for lying go ahead, sorry. >> harris: melissa, you were definitely right about the subpoena. the fbi portion of this is more than what the ig can do, too. we are just learning that william barr is working with the fbi and has been. attorney general barr is working collaboratively with fbi director chris wray, cia director gina haspel, director of national intelligence dan coats in an effort to look into the origins of the russia probe according to a source familiar with the process. u.s. attorney john durham, who we are talking about today, who has been appointed to do this was asked actually weeks ago to help the attorney general ensure the intelligence collection activities by out u.s. government related to the trump 2016 presidential campaign were lawful and appropriate. that gives us a wider scope look at what william barr is

able to do and what he is interested in doing. >> juan: i'm a little confused. what is the wider scope. what everybody says is we are looking for the origin. we know the origin. >> harris: the fact that he is working collaboratively with the leaders of all the other agencies. >> juan: i would expect -- i think we were discussing whether or not people who are still in the employment of either fbi, justice or not hairs -- if they are not there. let me finish this point. the origins are starkly clear to everybody. >> lisa: no they are not. >> harris: what are they? >> juan: not only was there an australian diplomat told by george papadopoulos about the russian interference, then you have british intelligence also telling people something's going on with the russians. >> harris: juan, let me ask it this way, if you know all of that to come the case, can you also then tell us about the intelligence-gathering and whether or not it was lawful and appropriate? i don't think you can because that's why they are investigating to see if it

was. you can't do that because you haven't sat with gina haspel. >> juan: christopher wray just said last week there was no spying that he knows about. >> lisa: the people that have also been telling us about how the russia investigation started are also the people that have lied before congress and not exactly been truthful about all of this. we also know that the fbi met with christopher steele prior to launching operation crossfire hurricane and we know that christopher steele had already started working on the dossier and had been hired by fusion gps. so we don't actually know exactly how the fbi investigation started. additionally, i would love to know about what the obama administration knew about this. hold on i'm not finished yet. they met with christopher steele. >> juan: no. >> lisa: yes they did, juan. it's fact. go look it up. i would love to know about the obama administration's duration in it because we know trump officials were unmasked with michael flynn and that information was leaked that information with

kislyak. we know the obama administration changed the way intel could be shared on his way out so it could be more easily disseminated and we know susan rice had sent that email to herself on inauguration day memorialize ago prior meeting happened obama wanted everything by the book. >> i want to answer juan's question more specifically in the idea that we had -- you pointed out these folks reaching out from russia trying to interfere. and one big question is why didn't no one go and tell trump that they thought that people on his campaign were working with russia as they did with dianne feinstein? and the answer we always gout to that was that they thought he might be involved. and well, what makes you think he might be involved? we were going to eventually see the evidence that he personally was colluding with the russians. so when there was none of that evidence, we're back to that question of you went to dianne feinstein and you said to her have you been paying an employee, a chinese spy for so long oh

my goodness, why wasn't he given that same thing? why didn't they go talk to him? >> dagen: not only wasn't the trump administration given defensive briefing by the fbi what was going on which would have been common practice according to andy mccarthy who worked in justice. why wasn't jim comey giving briefings to the gang of 8 which i raised on the sofa before. nobody knew. they are hiding it for a reason. >> juan: i don't think so. >> harris: rod rosenstein, do we have a moment? he speaks on the former director of the fbi saying calling him a partisan pundit. this is james comey and earning speaking fees while speculating about the strength of my character and fate of my immorality soul. this is speculating about soul is not police and prosecutors we testimony on eyewitness testimony. rod rosenstein commencement speech at the university of baltimore. >> lisa: to dagen's point

not only giving a briefing. met with president trump on the dossier that meeting leaked and gave cnn and hook to publish. not only did he not get the same sort of briefing that dianne feinstein gout, but, it seems like james comey set him up. >> juan: i think comey did such a favor to donald trump. he never said a word about there being a counterintelligence probe conducted by the fbi into russian interference but he came out and he absolutely. >> lisa: he told congress. >> juan: eviscerated hillary clinton and says we are not indicting her. talk about a violation. >> melissa: he certainly got the president back after that. didn't he? he certainly got him back. >> juan: as we sit here early this afternoon we are all thinking about well, did they do this wrong? did they do that wrong? >> melissa: they did lots of things wrong. >> juan: former fbi director and current fbi director saying they did nothing wrong. they are focused on russian

interference. >> dagen: jim comey has done no one a favor except himself. >> juan: everybody has trouble with jim comey. >> dagen: he thinks is he bigger than peanut butter. >> melissa: the 2020 field keeps growing while senator bernie sanders and elizabeth warren jockeying for the support of congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez and her 4 million twitter followers. i wonder if they sloot. vote? one candidate who may not get a shoutout joe biden. the issue that has ocasio-cortez saying the former vice president would be a step in the wrong direction. >> i will be damned if the same politician who refused to act then are going to try to come back today and say we need a middle of the road approach to save our lives. that is too much for me.

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>> dagen: huge 2020 democratic field growing yet again. see what i did there? montana government steve bullock becoming the 22nd white house hopeful touting his ability to advance a progressive agenda an in a conservative state. this as two liberal fire brands senator bernie sanders and elizabeth warren reportedly battle for a key prize the endorsement of congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. the freshman from new york has said she would back the eventual democratic party nominee but issued this warning to fellow democrats who don't support her green new deal. >> i am not here to tell you -- i am not here to tell you that all democrats are good and all republicans are

bad and that if you simply elect someone with a d next to their name that our problems will be solved. i have been told from people on both sides of the aisle that we need to frac more and we need to build more pipeline. both sides of the aisle. >> dagen: that seems to echo her apparent shot friday at moderate democrats like 2020 frontrunner joe biden former vice president after reports he would offer a middle ground proposal on climate change to appeal to blue collar voters. she tweeted this: this is a deal breaker. there is no middle ground with climate denial and delay blaming blue collar americans is the main opponents to bold climate policy is gas lobbyist 101. we are not going to solve the climate crisis with this lack of leadership. our kids' lives are at stake. juan, first up, does her endorsement matter if you are trying to win the white house? she is a close from new york city. she photographs well and she speaks with her hands but

beyond that does she matter? >> juan: yeah. she matters. i will tell you why she matters. we are in a social media age and i think that her account, her twitter account is second tonal president trump's in terms of political figures in the country. she appeals to a lot of young people. we are talking about her here on the couch today. she drives a lot of media attention. so just the news of her endorsement would be like wow, why did she do that? and what does it matter? it matters because all of her followers, no doubt will take a look. >> i wonder how that translates why is joe biden so far ahead? do they not, when they are doing the polling to see how everyone is going to vote. do they not talk to people who are on twitter? >> juan: oh, sure. >> melissa: why is joe biden so far ahead? why is he pulling out so far ahead of sanders who is she is sitting down with and who she is tweeting with if she has so much influence because i was starting to believe that narrative that the media is driving the attention on her as opposed

to it being sincere might be true just based on the early polling. >> juan: i think people overestimate how leftist the democratic party is and especially at this moment when the number one agenda for most democrats is defeating donald trump. and if that's the case, then you look at electability is absolutely essential and key. i that i joe biden has made a strong case because biden has come out of the box not saying hey, i'm competing with these other 20-plus people including bullock today. is he saying i'm competing with donald trump. >> harris: he has had his platform usurped by many in the democratic party. he was so far left of everybody else. and now i mean it's interesting to hear them all take pieces of his platform and run with him. i would ask though about aoc in terms of -- because she is so new still. we don't know what her power will be. but she certainly has a wave galvanizing people around issues. for instance, you are seeing entire interviews and town halls dedicated to the green new deal. i mean, she didn't do it

alone. mark heed did it. do you under estimate her if you don't take her seriously at this point. nancy pelosi takes her seriously. >> juan: if anybody comes on the scene allah donal ala donalp gal von nice voter's attention it's not that she came out of nowhere. she absolutely beat joe crowley who was an established politician. >> lisa: i want to turn it on its head is aoc toxic to a democratic candidate who really wants to win and beat donald trump because she is proposing essentially sending your gas prices up $5 a gallon that would be the ultimate result of her green new deal. and it would literally put millions of people working the energy industry out of work. remember what hillary clinton said about coal to the coal miners. i will put you out of work and find you another job. she could be, again, she

could a liability to somebody. his list i think that kind of rhetoric from hillary clinton and president obama's assault on co-workers is part of the reason why there was such a disconnect with working class voters rural voters and why president trump won in 2016 or at least a factor of that regarding joe biden, yes, he is up in polling right now. there is a lot of time between now and when we start hitting into early primary contests and what really matters is these state-to-state contest. because the vote is so flipped there is an opportunity for someone like bernie sanders or someone like that to emerge particularly as we head into the debate. i wouldn't be too hard of a sell on joe biden right now. and what's interesting is just democrats tied alexandria ocasio-cortez they have already taken aim at joe biden. they said in a statement that he is completely out of touch with the center of energy in the democratic party. i think it was a mistake for democrats to give her a leading role in the green new deal rollout. remember that. >> harris: did they give her

the role? >> lisa: she did a press conference with senator berkeley and of course that was sort of a collaborative effort with him. >> harris: they wrote it together. >> lisa: exactly. i think that was embarrassing for them that frequently asked question document she put out by giving economic security to people unwilling to work cows farting and all these embarrassing things she is certainly not ready for prime time. the green new deal will hurt the democratic party in the general election. >> harris: the democratic party made her somewhat of a lock style. joe biden has 100 percent name recognition he was the vice president. >> lisa: he has been around for a billion dollars he is so old. >> harris: age, regardless. >> lisa: old. >> harris: same boat. >> juan: one lucky guy. >> lisa: you don't feel lucky? >> juan: how old is joe biden. >> lisa: you look so young. you look great. >> juan: i will say this.

>> harris: he has been around forever. people know who he is and what he is. >> juan: also that's why it might be hard for him to win in the democratic primary. >> harris: where is barack obama on all of this though? remember what he told hillary clinton the nation needs a new car smell. those are his words. >> dagen: president obama does not need to come out. joe biden is running away with this right now all on his own and president obama doesn't need to come out and say hey, i like joe. he was his vice president for 8 years. >> harris: exactly. >> dagen: by the way that was one of the things that hurt hrc was the lack of black voter turnout and joe biden has it. >> juan: he really does. that's one of the things that's pushing right now on aoc very quickly the idea that we are all talking about the green new deal, environmenta there. >> dagen: laughing stock. >> dagen: beauty fades.

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>> harris: we have been telling you today that the secretary of state is in russia. he is in sochi, actually, to be specific. holding a news conference earlier with the russian foreign minister. and so we're getting some notes out of that because we promised to be monitoring that for news. so now we know that ourselves has just said to the russian foreign minister that interference, talking about interference in the american elections let's watch. >> i made clear to -- for mr. lavrov as we have made clear for the past month that interference in american elections is unacceptable if the russians were to engage in that in 2000 20 it would put our philip a worse place than it has been and encouraged them not to do that. >> harris: so now pompeo is expected to meet with the russian president putin later today and, as you know, president trump and putin are set to meet ahead of the g 20eu 0 summit in

owe socca, japan in late june. we are monitoring the news coming out of russia. and when ourselves meets with president putin we will bring you the news from tha that. >> we are the piggy bank that everybody likes to take advantage of or take from and we can't let that happen anymore. the relationship i have with president xi is extraordinary. it's really very good but he is for china and i'm for the u.s.a. and it's very simple. we are, again, in a very, very strong position. they want to make a deal. it could absolutely happen. >> melissa: trump touting his relationship with chinese president xi ongoing trade war with beijing. this as the markets look to rebound after the worst trading day since january 3rd. taking a look at the big board now we are up 272 points on the day. but we had been down more than 700 yesterday. closing down better than 600.

so we have a long way to go. earlier today white house minority whip steve scheez scale trade war is nothing new only difference is the president is taking action. >> we have always been in a trade war with china. i think president trump is really the first one to finally acknowledge it and confront it. i would like to see it addressed quickly. we all would. having a trade deal that actually not only puts rules of the game in place that can be enforced but threaten to have an enforcement mechanism. it's critical for our economy. >> melissa: in the meantime democratic senator chris coons blasting president trump's tariffs on chinese goods and republican support for them. listen. >> let's be blunt, it's a tax on the american consumer and the american manufacturer. and he is getting very tough with the american consumer and manufacturer who is paying about 1.4 billion a month in new tariffs. it's not a position that the republican party has embraced in many decades. and it's striking to watch my colleagues in the senate

line up to support it. >> melissa: so, dagen, the piggy bank analogy is not the right one but, basically four years. i think this is the argument that he is making, we have taken cheap goods, happily and looked the other way in exchange for them stealing our intellectual property and we have sort of made that trade. now that we are saying you can't steal our ip and can't demand ownership of the businesses and all the other things that frankly we covered for years that have made it tough and specific texpensivewith the chinese now s saying we are going to stop that and it's painful like any time you stop doing something easy and not good for you. >> also, the president clearly has a problem with our trade deficit with china. it's not just the intellectual profit theft. it's not just the forced surrender of technology. it's the fact that businesses here in the u.s., that was their low cost center of manufacturing in another country.

and that's why he got elected president trump. all of these. my hometown textile jobs gone. furniture manufacturing gone. any kind of manufacturing gone. it's a, pardon me, waste land. those people voted for trump and they expect him to bring those jobs back. my issue is are tariffs the best way to do it because tariffs aren't just a tax on consumers. also, this could disrupt business decision-making. >> melissa: it has already. why is that not for the better? why is that not for the better? if you have people moving factories like go pro-to other countries. >> that's not going to happen. they will wait to see if trump gets reelected in a year and a half. >> melissa: they are not. >> harris: they have gone to i believe guadalajara. >> dagen: attacks on americans and really harmful to businesses that currently

import intermedial goods. any manufacture in the u.s. but parts come from china. >> harris: couldn't you make an argument in the long run if we do a deal with china it would open up our market and theirs for the kind of business relationships that the world would thirst for? i don't think that in the short-term and i have advocated for the president to say something about this. look, the soybean farmers in the center part of this country, there are a whole lot of people feeling a lot of pain. and the president has to make the determination, if he wants to tell the american people to fill in the gap, is it worth the pain in the short-term? i mean, we saw the stocks yesterday shed a trillion dollars. >> juan: what is the president's overall strategy is the problem? he goes in as the great disrupter. he says the chinese and i agree with him, the chinese are a bunch of cheats. it's not just intellectual property they subsidize businesses that compete with us in the global economy. that's a government

operation. >> harris: that's why it helps to hear from him on this. >> juan: when he goes in and doesn't have a plan to say i'm going to sock the chinese. >> harris: how do you know that. >> juan: it's very obvious. >> harris: you don't know that. >> juan: i would love to know the plan. >> dagen: only problem is xi jinping is elected for life. president trump has to get reelected in a year and a half. >> harris: isn't this the kind of economy you would want to press china during? [inaudible] this morning. >> lisa: clearly looks like battle of wills. mnuchin saying final lap of this thing in regard to reaching a we will go and china completely reneges on the commitments they had made legal commitments they had made in changes. i don't know, i agree with dagen that we are a little bit limited in terms of the 2020 election coming up. but, you know. >> melissa: you don't have to buy stuff from china if you don't want. to say.

>> dagen: trump looks weak because he kept talking about the federal reserve. >> melissa: we don't know that amid a new controversy congresswoman arcongress rashed. whether you the democratic leadership needs to reign her in or whether they. >> many have died and given up. dignity to provide a safe haven for jews in our world. ♪ ♪ employees need more than just a paycheck. you definitely want to take advantage of all the benefits you can get. 2/3 of employees said that the workplace is an important source for personal savings and protection solutions. the workplace should be a source of financial security. keeping your people happy is what keeps your people. that's financial wellness. put your employees on a path to financial wellness with prudential.

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learning a little bit about what he had been suffering with, a brain ailment. normal pressure, hydrocephalus. and it's reported that he had no signs of dementia or anything like that. but it's pressure on the brain. and he was married for 35 years to his wife. they had one stepdaughter and six other children together. two grand daughters. and they are asking people instead of sending flowers or gifts. the family really wants donations to be made to the lowe rugo brain center in cleveland at the cleveland clinic i should say in las vegas, nevada. tim conway, a legend in comedy could make you smile just with his facial expression. an amazing, amazing talent. we lost him today. he was 85. ♪ ♪ >> harris: michigan democratic congresswoman rasheda tlaib is standing by

comments made last week claiming palestinians gave jews a quote safe haven in the middle east after the holocaust. last night the congresswoman responded to her critics this way. >> there is something like in many ways beautiful about that my ancestors, many had died or had to give up their livelihood their human dignity to provide a safe haven for jews in our world. that is something that i wanted to recognize and kind of honor in some sort of way. i got a text message from a friend who is like hey next time really clarify. maybe talk like a fourth grader because maybe the racist idiots would understand you better. >> harris: wow. congresswoman tlaib's original comments drew anger from republicans including president trump with many calling on congressional leadership to take action. top democrats like house speaker pelosi and majority leader steny hoyer say republicans have mischaracterized tlaib's comments and should apologize to her. you know, sometimes when you continue talking and you continue making mistakes and

you don't acknowledge that maybe you could have done something differently, it causes to you make more. >> juan: right. i don't think she made a mistake. i think she is being smeared in a political fight largely over the jewish voter. if you look at the statement that she made it's pretty clear. >> melissa: she is historically incorrect. let me tell you. >> juan: she has made a anti-semitic statement. >> melissa: she said her ancestors takes comfort in the fact that they made room for israel and for those people in fact, you know, as if it was a generous thing. >> juan: they said they were forced. >> melissa: right. because they sided with hitler. the palestinian leader at the time was an ally of hitler and they are photographed together. she doubled down when she went back on last night she doubled down on the idea of comparing what happened to her ancestors to what happened to the jews. and, in fact, other people that allied with hitler were

put to death. >> juan: again, what she is saying is there is a common experience here in terms of the palestinian people were forced off land, people who felt that they were being oppressed but they made room and jews went through what she described. >> harris: hold on so we are not talking past each other and over each other. juan, what you are say something true and what melissa is saying is true. it's possible and probable and in this case actually true that they can exist at the same time. >> melissa: wait, wait. i disagree with that hang on because i just want to be clear. there is no common experience between what happened to the palestinian i can't believe all the jews were marched into an oven. >> juan: i didn't say that. >> harris: what juan is talking band i want to make sure we get this right. you are saying rasheda tlaib was saying look, how she felt about her own ancestors was the word calming that should have gone there. >> juan: correct.

>> harris: if she wanted to say that she should have said it correctly the first time and said it correctly the second time. >> melissa: i wasn't talking about that at all i was talking about her rewriting of history. his even cnn called her out on her rewriting history. it's rhetoric for rasheda tlaib because you have her support of the boycott divestment and sanctions movement which even members of her own party have called out that support basically saying that movement just wants the elimination of israel. you have jerry nadler and bradley schneider who have signed on to a measure calling out members of their own party for support of that movement. it's deeper than some of the effort we have seen for rasheda tlaib and members of her own party calling out anti-israel. >> harris: i want to make sure we get day began in here. is this in any way harming the democratic party as we go forward? is she doing any dismage. >> dagen: the anti-semitic rhetoric we have heard from some should harm the party because to marginalize this hatred is to normalize it. this being about 75 years

since 6 million jews were murdered just for being jewish. and i think that the democrats need to take a little field trip over the holocaust memorial museum and maybe they wouldn't make historical mistakes that are repugnant. >> harris: all right. we will modify on. she said it 2020 hopeful kirsten gillibrand, citing gender bias for her low poll numbers. whether she has a point or is just playing the gender blame game. stay with us. ♪ ♪

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>> you don't particularly feel like you have an extra hurdle to go through by being a woman in the race. >> at the end of the day i have to overcome it anyway, so if it exist cysts it exists but it's about spending time with voters and meeting them where they are, lifting up their voices making sure they are being heard. >> lisa: that's 2020 candidate kirsten gillibrand pressed on whether her gender is a hurdle. the new york democrat was more direct when it came to low poll numbers saying quote i think it's just gender bias. women are bias

bias.the two term senator has yet to crack the threshold to get into the first and second debate lesser known candidates have met. have you someone like marianne williamson spiritual guru never heard of her before able to crack 65,000 number comparatively speaking for bernie sanders for six weeks over 500,000 individual donors. why is kirsten gillibrand having so much trouble there? >> juan: well, i mean i think the fact that you asked that question is an indication she has not created a niche for herself in this broad field. it's just like the kentucky derby we had. you have to find a lane and hopefully spearhead something. joe biden electability. elizabeth warren i have got policy solutions. kamala harris i can really be a prosecutor. i go after people in these hearings. pete buttigieg i'm new i'm different. but i don't know what it. >> lisa: that was good maybe she should hire you.

what would you say about kirsten gillibrand? we don't know. >> dagen: you are comparing female candidates to horses. i'm getting up. >> juan: oh, here we go again. >> dagen: here is gillibrand's problem she is borrowing things from hillary clinton's playbook that didn't work. she is using her gender as a crutch to lean on and then when you turn around she is going to smack you in the back of the head with it. >> juan: oh, really? >> dagen: remember, she threw al franken under the bus first senator to call for his resignation despite being his squash partner. bill clinton should have resigned over the monica lewenski scandal. this is all she has got failing her. >> melissa: her problem she is inauthentic. that's the big thing whether they are television viewers or voters. they wanting to feel like the person in front of them is being real. for better or for worse that's why a lot of people liked president trump. you know, joe biden, too you get that sense when he says he goes back and forth on his policy but when he sits

there and talks to the common guy people buy that and feel like it's real. with her she was all up in the clinton's business loving them forever and then the minute they were out of fashion, she chucked them under the bus and right there you kind of see what her true stripes are. >> lisa: juan, do you think that is part of it is just people viewing her as inauthentic remember when she ran for congress she was pro-gun anti-immigrant and now changed running for senate and now for president. is that her problem. >> juan: i don't know people all remember that president trump was pro-choice at one point. i don't know, to me her point is her problem break out women get criticize their voice and everything else. >> i don't think that's the reason she is not breaking through. >> lisa: we will leave it there. more outnumbered in just a moment. stay with us. alright, i brought in ensure max protein...

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it is the "the five" a lot of fun. nothing compared to the outnumbered crew. >> lisa: you saved yourself. >> melissa: kind of. not necessarily a compliment. here is harris. [laughter] >> harris: fox news alert. a man known as a bulldog of a prosecutor has been tapped to investigate the origins of the russia probe. you are watching outnumbered overtime i'm harris faulkner. attorney general william barr has appointed john durham the u.s. attorney for connecticut to investigate how the russia investigation got started. fox news confirms durham who is known as a hard charging bulldog that's in quotes has been working on the investigation for weeks. the move comes as president trump has pushed for answers why the feds president obama conducted surveillance on his campaign and whether democrats were the ones who improperly included with foreign actors.