♪ >> tucker: good evening, welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." beto o'rourke has changed, he is not not though boyish carefree road trip with the wheat hook up that you might remember from just a few months ago. that to beto is gone, maybe forever. at the new beto is far more serious. even angry. what is the new beto mad about? climate change, obviously. border walls, and bigotry and uptight old people that do not understand that skateboarding is not a crime. also that buzz kill pete buttigieg who stole his spot in the presidential ranking, that was annoying as hell. but mostly what beto is mad at

his beto. he has had some time since being unemployed. he came to the conclusion that actually he is a pretty mediocre person. not a good guy at all. pretty much in and thoughtful human being. most people would keep that knowledge to themselves. not beto, he went on "the view" today to tell everyone. >> you and answer campaign and said that you were "born to be in it." he went across the country on a road trip after you lost your election and you said "sometimes helped raise your kids." these are things that a female candidate would not be able to get away with. do you think you can get away with more because you are a man? and do you have any regrets of launching on the cover of "vanity fair"? >> you are right, they are things that i've been privileged to do in my life that others cannot. >> tucker: you're right said beto. male privilege is real.

i should know, all of the cool fun things i did in my life, i have only done because i am a man. and i feel bad about that. so bad that i've had media consultants write moral culpability that i will read to you with feigned sincerity hoping that it is atonement for my sins. here we go. speak of the systematic foundational discrimination that we have in this country and in every aspect of life is something that i have not experienced in my lifetime. and i have had advantages that other cannot enjoy. >> tucker: that clears that up. in case you thought beto might be suffering from systematic foundational discrimination in every aspect of his life, now you know the truth, he is not. and he is deeply ashamed of that. because it is morally superior to be discriminated against as the rich and pampered ladies of "love you" who are somewhat victims will tell you. but people do not hate him for who he is, that is the downside of privilege, people like you

too much. all beto can do is try harder to be despised as much as he despises himself. which he has pledged to do. >> i have my work cut out for me to be a better person and ensure that i am more mindful to the experiences that others have had different than the experiences that i have had. >> are those mistakes? are those mistakes being on the cover of "vanity fair"? it looks elitist? >> yes, it reinforces that perception of privilege, and that headline that said i was born to be in this in the article is attempting to say that i felt that my calling was in public service, no one is born to be president of the united states of america. least of all me. >> what about the fourth time thing? you got some flack for that one. >> yes, absolutely and i deserve it. >> tucker: the lady who makes williams talking about herself on a tv show disapproves of beto

appearing on a magazine cover bt is elitist. and beto agrees with her. of course he does. there is no criticism of beto that beto does not agree with. back in march he apologized profusely for saying that his wife have raised their three kids. did you know how patriarchal that sounds. beto does? and he is truly sincerely sorry he said it. >> not only will i not say that -- [laughter] >> but i will be much more thoughtful going forward in ways that i talk about our marriage, and also the way that i acknowledge the truth of the criticism that i have enjoyed white privilege. >> tucker: i have enjoyed white privilege. there you go. he acknowledged it. thank you, mr. o'rourke for your candor, but the real question is how much did you enjoy white privilege? we will get to those details in our next round of questioning. in the meantime we don't want to give you the impression that beto is the only one groveling here.

far from it. they all are. for democrats in 2019 to run is to grovel. here is mayor pete of south bend remembering what sadness and four years ago when he suggested that all human life had value. how could he have been so stupid and cruel? >> 2016 you said that all lives matter when you spoke about two police controversies that were happening in south bend. was that a mistake? >> what i did not understand at that time was that that phrase just early into the mid-2015 was coming to be viewed as sort of a counter slogan to black lives matter. and so the statement that seems very anodyne and something that nobody could be against actually wound up being used to devalue what to the black lives matter movement was telling us. since learning about how that phrase is being used to push that on that activist, i have stopped using it in that context. >> tucker: how could i have been so stupid? and here is kirsten gillibrand

of new york calling in on tillery on her own position after an nbc researcher discovered that she had one supd border. seriously. >> you said that you were embarrassed about your previous position on immigration, tell me about that. >> it was not driven from my heart. i was calloused of the suffering of families who want to be with their loved ones. people who want to be reunited with their family is, and i recognize as we all do that immigration and diversity is our strength as a country. i really regretted that i did not look beyond my district and talk about why this is an important part of the united states story. >> tucker: i was calloused. i was heartless. don't hate me. i hate myself enough. well, thank you for sharing, good luck with your self-esteem issues. joe biden is a good quarter century older than senator gillibrand who herself is older than a lot of the democratic candidates. he would think that joe biden will be old enough to earn the right not to say that he is sorry. but think again. age it self is something to apologize for.

and joe biden did. he grew up in a time before human war was reclassified as a human act. and he is very, very sorry for that. >> social wars have began to change and have shifted. and the boundary of protecting personal space has been reset. and i get it. i get it. i hear what they are saying. i will be more mindful and respectful of people's personal space. >> tucker: we could go on with the orgie of apology, kamala harris apologizing. bernie sanders apologizing for how women were treated on his last campaign. amy klobuchar apologizing for one swimming pizza in school cafeterias. in a world about forgiveness this is a cycle that continues, no cycle is enough prey to the left is a rolling inquisition with a bottomless appetite for ritual punishment and --

tell us you have been naughty, thank you, sir. can i have another. these people are sick. they have no dignity or self-respect. there is nothing they will not say or admit to whether it is true or not. they despise themselves. be careful of people like that. they will feel the same way about you. tammy bruce, radio host, she joins us tonight. for an analysis. what exactly is going on here? i don't remember this from four or eight, or 12 or 16 years ago, democratic candidates making a ritual apology every time they get to the snow and do an interview, what has changed? >> it is one thing to apologize if you hurt someone's feelings, but we have now been watching these individuals debase themselves for being themselves, they are begging for forgiveness for existing. and this is a side aspect of the entire democratic foundation.

and policy ideas. which are based in this notion that humanity itself is a problem. and you can go back to climate change. that the climate is being destroyed because of our activity. you can look at the nature of the obama-terms. bowing. apologizing for america around the world that we were the source of all of the problems. and that we were effectively the main issue in the main problem. so you have this history of the last decade or so, and we saw hints of it like with political correctness, the inference they are is that even what we think or what we might naturally want to say is automatically racist, sexist, and homophobic. so the general premise for the democrats and everything that they are doing, democratic leadership in what they tell the american people is that americans, in particular, are a problem. humanity is awful. we are the cause for everything wrong on earth and in our personal lives. how could it have not then moved into what we have seen the left

do before? the cultural revolution in china where people experience that same kind of attack. the nature of having to condemn yourself. i cannot wait for the democratic debates, tucker, maybe they will all be in stockades. and maybe they will be talking with her head in the clapper thing. >> tucker: it is a kind of weird sadomasochism. being blunt about it. it is. it's creepy as hell. i wonder, do voters want this from a leader? do you want a leader who hates themselves, who bases themselves, has no dignity or self-respect? who wants that? >> this is what i was thinking when i was watching the clip of mr. o'rourke on "the view." leadership takes confidence. we see this in donald trump all the time. that's why he is so off-putting to so many people. you need confidence. you have to exude confidence. when world leaders and tyrants see a man who is bowing to them or a person who arrives saying please, mommy, do not hurt me, they are going to think that

they have the upper hand. and they probably do. so the american people look at this and have the same reaction we do, which is what is wrong with that individual? why is this happening? that is repulsive. and it it's certainly not to leadership. and this is why the american people must see this unfolding, because it is not just these individuals. it is what the democratic party has delivered and now it is a monster they thought they were going to give to the people. the monster has arrived home. and is unloading on the monster creators. >> tucker: you are right, they are all of mike to caucus now pray to tammy bruce, great to see you. thank you. if you are doing well in the democratic presidential race you need to apologize for your privilege, obviously. if you are doing badly, you must still apologize but you can make excuses why you are the victim here. nobody has played this role more precisely than senator kirsten gillibrand when she launched her campaign, or victim card was that she was a "young mom." watch. >> i'm going to run for

president of the united states because as a young mom, i'm going to fight for other people's kids as hard as i would fight for my own. >> tucker: [laughs] it did not work, gillibrand is pulling lower than anybody running for any office in america. so naturally she just whined to cnn that voters are bigoted against "young women." not to be mean, but gillibrand is older than i am. she is 52 years old. barack obama was younger than she was. the night that he beat mitt romney, does not matter. victimhood stems from everything away from fact. mollie hemingway knows that well. the senior editor of "the federalists" and she joins us tonight. thank you a lot for coming on. is there any market on the democratic side for someone who says i am who i am, and if you don't like it, there is nothing i can do about it and straightforwardly presents the program without whining, without apologizing or being a victim? >> can i just burst say what you

just showed is amazing and it shows what the problem is that the media are so much in alliance with the democratic party that sometimes people are not told what makes them seem ridiculous. somebody needs to sit gam gam down and let her know that she lost the 2016 election fair and square to donald trump. somebody needs to state to stacey abrams that she is now the governor of georgia, and some of you should kirsten gillibrand that there is nothing wrong with being 52 at all. i hope i have a good time when i am 52. that is not young. and it does not make you a young mother. and somebody just needs to say this. >> tucker: as nobody who is turning 50 in two days. it is not even middle-aged. it is post-middle-age. unless you plan to live on to 104. >> there might be technological advances that have people living longer. but it is not young. >> tucker: are not being mean, i respect all people. she does not seem old to me. but you wonder if there was a meeting where she said, i'm going to go with the young mom thing, and nobody said, it does not apply to you? >> you are either going to run

on identity politics or you are not. it sounds like joe biden is taking the lane that is not based on identity politics. and if you are doing the identity politics lane, she has a difficult one. she is not the only woman. not the only white woman. she is not the youngest person. pete buttigieg is doing much better 15 years younger than she is. if you do identity politics, she needs to come up with a better gimmick than being young and a woman. >> tucker: why would you do -- identity politics is obviously the first choice for dumb people who don't have anything to sell other than their innate qualities. but it does not work that well. >> i think it does work pretty well in the democratic primary, but when there are so many candidates it is not sufficient. she needs to build a coalition and not blame other people. the fact that being a woman is a problem in the democratic party is unfair to the democratic party. they nominated a woman a few years ago to be president. that is not a legitimate excuse.

and people are more upset with her for how she got al franken to lead the senate or other things that make people feel like she is not a good team player or democratic party leader. >> tucker: she is a transparent phony. she is a transparent figure. >> she speaks her mind a lot. >> tucker: if you're not going to be president, why debase yourself, why degrade yourself? i'm not her adviser. molly, it is great to see a. >> great to see you. >> tucker: the attorney general has presented a prosecutor using russia to spy on a presidential campaign, which they did. which we know about the prosecutor? someone who knows him joins us after the break. ♪ moving is hard.

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♪ >> tucker: well, for two years of the russia hoax dominated washington. everything in american politics and american government was subservient to that. we may finally find out how the hoax began and how it so easily escalated to spying on the fbi's political enemies. the attorney general william barr invested in john durham to look into the investigations of the russia probe. he knows john durham, and joins us for some perspective on him. thank you for coming on. how would you assess his temperament, his skills as he demands for this job? >> talk to some of the people that work with him today, and everyone is very happy with this assignment. he was brought into boston about 20 years ago to handle two

generations of endemic corruption in the boston fbi office. and there was a particularly terrible case where the fbi in the '60s frame four guys for a murder they did not commit and everybody knew that they were innocent. and the two u.s. attorneys at the time that did not do anything to get these guys out of prison even though everybody knew that they were not guilty where robert mueller and william weld, who is now running for president. he actually sent a letter to the state saying that they should be kept in prison even though again, it was well known that they were innocent. well, john durham comes to town, and the case starts unraveling. he is the one who after 30 plus years had been imprisoned. a couple on death row, he brought it to to the judge andt in motion the exoneration of them. and lead to $102 million civil lawsuit of a victory for them against the feds. he did a great job.

and he understands the corruption in the fbi. and he is also working for two democrat attorneys on special cases like this and two republican attorneys generals. in one case was the case in boston with the fbi corruption. and two other cases involving the cia. it is pretty clear to most people that this hoax, as he put it has its genesis in the fbi most likely the cia. so i think he is a really good guy for the job. he understands what he is up against. when he came to boston he saw how corrupt and sorted the entire situation was. so he moved his entire base of operations to west or 30 or 40 miles away just to keep a hands off attitude towards the city. he is a very smart guy. >> tucker: if you were a corrupt fbi official, he is the last guy you would want to looking into you, it sounds like. >> if i were a corrupt fbi or

cia official i might be pressing apartments at the ecuadorian embassy in london right now. >> tucker: one at that be nice to see, howie carr, thank you for that. that is interesting as hell. thank you. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: some exclusive details tonight related to the russia probe in a letter obtained by the show, the attorney roger stone has asked the white house to declassify any materials that would reveal whether stone was spied upon by the fbi. there is some evidence that he was. and if he indeed was, he would join carter page and paul manafort as individuals connected to the trump campaign who were spied on without their knowledge. so far the white house has not commented on that letter. a former campaign adviser joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. this is a straightforward request. an interesting request. is there any reason that the white house would not help the rest of us know whether stone

was spied on. >> first i want to make sure that it is understood that i am not in contact with roger stone pretty is my best friend, but the court will not allow me to speak to them. i have not spoken to him or contacted him in anyway since the day he was arrested. >> tucker: we have a first amendment still in this country. i don't know if the judge acknowledges that. why in the world could a judge tell you who you can talk to as an adult taxpayer in this country? >> right, and of course, they did not ever send me to the grand jury, the mueller team. i'm not on a witness list, but for some reason it is vindictive that we are not allowed to speak to each other prayed roger and i have known each other for 30 plus years, sometimes we talk 30 plus times a day. i talked him off at the ceiling in stressful times. but i have not spoken to him since he was arrested. i'm still shocked about that. but i really believe that what the attorney for roger stone requested should be granted. in my opinion, it is not just roger stone, it is carter page

who surveillance documents need to be revealed. roger and me not to -- by the time this investigation the department of justice is over when we might see this material at the earliest, roger stone's trial may already be over. in fact, it probably will be. so on redacting them and releasing them at that point does not help roger stone at all. it does not reveal all of the chicanery and probably lawbreaking that went into surveilling roger stone. but it is the same with carter page. and by the way, general flynn in some way, shape, or form as well. there was a lot of surveillance going on and we need to know what it is. and we need to know now. >> tucker: why when it's the white house help us know? that's what i do not understand. and you are correct. at the trump campaign was spied upon by the obama administration paid we know this, so why don't we have the right to know the details of it? >> a lot of this i do not

understand. about three or four months ago the president said he was all set to declassify fisa documents and demand email or text messages between all of the different fbi agents who were plotting this whole hoax. and we never saw that stuff. and a lot of the stuff i do not understand. but i'm sure that the president has a plan. i just visited the president in the oval office recently. without -- we did not talk about roger stone. we were careful not to pray to the president knows that he is my best friend. and i met the president through roger stone in 1988. we were careful not to even mention his name, but he is paying very close attention to this in the letter from the lawyer, i think that he might heed it. let me tell you something, he and the first lady new chapter and first of what my family went through, and i know that the president is paying attention to far more people than just us. >> tucker: will be nice to see some pardons, a partner and of roger stone prayed >> i am

really worried about don jr. with the senate committee. >> tucker: the whole thing is insane. it rolls on. a zombie investigation. great to see you, thank you. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: bill de blasio jumps up and down about how much he loves the environment, but the city he provides under is sitting on a mountain of garbage he cares nothing about. where is this concern for the environment? details on that. plus part two of the homeless in america series, we will explore how the epidemic is taking out one of new york's poorest cities. that's after the break. ♪ my reputation was trashed online,

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in the biggest city in the country. >> our planet not your profit. >> our planet, not your profit. >> tucker: bill de blasio cares about the planet, but that's what he says. but if you have been to new york you know that his own city is drowning in garbage. it is filthy and it stinks. a new video shows the disgusting state of the city's subways once clean. mayor de blasio's management, this is what they look like. >> the trains are looking like this in the morning. this is how the trains be looking in the morning. this belief is crazy. this belief is stupid. they want us to pay more money? look at this, this is crazy. >> tucker: it is crazy, bill de blasio says that he loves the environment and really cares. he doesn't. like everyone in his position he cares about the environment to the extent that it gives him

more power when it is about fighting global warming or some other excuse to have more control over your life. but when it comes to keeping parks clean or protecting people from living in filth or picking up garbage off of the sidewalk, he does not care. it does not give them power. that's why he does not do it. ♪ california has more homeless than any other state. about 130,000 people are homeless every night in california. that is about a quarter of the national total. you would think that the leaders of the state of california will be obsessed with fixing the horrifying problem, but they aren't. they do not care. to the state does not come close to having enough homeless shelters. so more than two-thirds of the homeless have nowhere to go on the given night. it is district building codes and environmental regulations that block the shelter. without enough shelters, other problems like trash filled

homeless encampments in needles are impossible to stop. a ninth circuit court ruling blocks cops from prosecuting homeless people unless adequate shelter space is available. so you can see that there is a gridlock going on. and it is not just a problem in the city of san francisco's. most of the homeless live outside of san francisco or l.a. in the homeless of america, we look at how the crisis has become in the forgotten california cities. this neighborhood in east palo alto, california, is so close to facebook's global headquarters that mark zuckerberg could ride his bike to it. sir jay brennan, tim cook live within 10 miles. but the people that live on bay road in east palo alto are not quite as fortunate as their silicon valley neighbors. no better place in america that shows the massive inequality by a booming tech sector. on any given night, more than 100,000 people are homeless in the state of california, nearly 8 of 10 of them live on the

streets. one common explanation for rising homelessness' housing crisis as rents go up, people are forced onto the street. but there are homeless and poor areas as well. consider stockton, a city in california's central valley. the housing downturn hits it so hard that the city filed for a municipal bankruptcy in 2012. current rental prices in some neighborhoods are as low as $680 a month. and yet, our investigation found homeless people all over stocked in overpasses next to highways along rivers and canals coming near downtown on the outskirts. 50 miles north, the state capital, things are just as bad, may be worse. every public place we visited in sacramento had homeless people. a bike path all along the river downtown lined with tents. in one neighborhood just north of the city center, homeless californians camped near soup kitchens. in cabinets on north b street go on for a mile.

what strikes about the homeless in sacramento is how prominent it is. it would be impossible to visit the city and not see it. if there were people living in the sievers shad sheds -- pause right in the heart of downtown. this shows a multi-encampment at city hall. to the public library functions as a day shelter. it is filled with homeless people charging their phones and using computers, bathing in the bathroom. people were even living on the grounds of the state capitol building when we visited. one issue is that the city does not have enough shelter space, local officials are doing a terrible job of finding places to put people. the last city run homeless shelter close in april. now the shelter is going to be used as a marijuana cultivation and distribution center. of course. california tent cities should humiliate the state to leaders. they do not seem humiliated. california governor gavin newsom seems uninterested in his state's tent-city boom. as his own constituents slept on the ground of the capital, he

went on a fact-finding trip, he wanted to figure out what he could do to alleviate poverty in el salvador. here's something we learned after filming that package paid in sacramento, homeless encampments have gotten so out of hand that they are threatening the structural integrity of the city's anti-flood levies. but america's homeless crisis goes far beyond california. sadly, we will explore the rest of the west coast as our homeless in america series continues. well, the polls and all of the cool kids on tv say that joe biden is a democratic favorite. don't believe it. you can't win. we'll tell you why after the break. plus washington is gearing up for a war against iran. how would that help america? will try to find the answers in just a minute. ♪

♪ >> tucker: if you can remember back to may 4 years ago right around this time. everybody in washington assume jeb bush was going to be the republican nominee. the most experienced candidate in the race. he was up in the polls coming he had the highest name i.d., raise the most money, blah, blah, blah. it all sounds absurd, but at the time people believed it. and then the mirage of evaporated and it became really obvious and impossible to deny that he was doomed. he was not going to be resident. it was not just simply wrong, but really stupid. something very much like that just happen with joe biden. as of today pretty much everybody paid the prognostic on television by the front runner in the race. he checks every box, therefore he must get the nomination. that's how they think, because they are done. what they are leaving out of the equation is joe biden himself. watch this video and ask yourself, is joe biden going to

be the democratic nominee much less president of the united states? shot yesterday and new hampshire. we have not altered it anyway. this is entirely real. >> do you have a comment on the tiniest tariffs? speak of the answer is yes, i d do. the president has done nothing but increase the tariffs, the debt. in the trade deficit. the way we have to proceed us have our allies with us. it is not just us. we have to keep the rest of the world together. second labor should be at the table as well as our lay allies, because that's the only thing that we should do is focus on nothing that we talk about for a long time. china's greatest violation is the way that they steal our property. we should make it quid pro quo as i have said when i was talking. it should be simple. you say that anything has to be

owned, 50 percent by chinese to invest in china, guess what, america is the same thing. the idea of dealing with the only people who are paying the price our farmers and working people, right now. he is going about it all the wrong way. all vibrato, no action. >> tucker: but wait a second, you are saying to yourself, that did not make any sense. not a single phrase in a full minute of talking conveyed and intelligible idea. not one. that was not even word salad. it was a verbal jackson pollock painting. nouns, verbs, adjectives spilled like cans of paint bleeding into each other. a sticky postmodern mass. at one point biden jumped from .2 directly to .4. just to let you know that your old-fashioned sequencing is no good here, that is yesterday's mathematics. it was in a word, bizarre. here here's a real headline, ignore what they are telling on television. joe biden will not be president.

he will probably not be the democratic nominee. he is not capable of it. there is no reason to be cruel and get more specific than that. just watch biden and ask yourself, really? anyone who says that a guy, that guy is going to win a presidential election at the age of nearly 78 is either lying or deluded. sorry. more than anything in the world, national security advisor john bolton would love to have a war with iran. it will be like christmas, things giving him his birthday wrapped in one. mercifully john bolton does not control the military. president trump does. the question is how influential is bolton in the white house? last week he announced a carrier strike force is being sent to the persian gulf to check iran. now the president has been presented with a plan to deploy 120,000 american troops to the middle east. the president says that report is untrue. >> what about 120,000 american

troops to the middle ace? >> i think it is fake news. what i do that? absolutely, but we have not plans for that. hopefully we do not have to plan for that. if we did that, we would send a lot of the dash a hell of a lot more troops than that. >> tucker: obviously this is fluid, but the larger question is on answered. how was the war with iran in america's interest in any way? it is time to start answering that question. author of the tremendous book. he joins us on the show tonight. colonel, thank you for joining on -- coming on. what does it mean to have a carrier group in the persian gulf? >> we have a manufactured crisis. there is nothing new in this intelligence. we have been operating in the area for several years, the iranians and we were interested into destroying the same target, isis. and we knew that we had hostility there, avoiding any

problems. the iranians have avoided any problems. it is hard to buy the notion that we have to have a carrier battle group in the persian gulf along with hundreds of aircraft flying in from all over the world in order to deter iran from attacking us. there is no evidence that iran wants to attack us. quite the contrary. i think that they would like to avoid any conflict with us under any and all circumstances. >> tucker: why are we doing this? what are the potential consequences? speak of the people that were behind this that persuaded the president to take these actions are hoping, frankly that if you put large numbers of forces from the united states in close proximity to iran in a small area like the persian gulf, it is only 220 miles wide that something will happen. that something will go wrong. it looks like a gulf of tonkin incident with missiles in the making. or do we benefit. it is hard to see how, the first question you should always ask before any action is taken measure what you might gain by

what you might lose. what do we gain? is this supposed to persuade the iranians that they should not keep some additional enriched uranium? is this designed to make them capitulate to the series of demands that mr. pompeo put in front of them? if so, i think that is ludicrous. i do not see any evidence of that happening. is this designed to derive an edge between russia and china? on the opposite i think you will force cohesion on all of the great continental powers against us. they are going to look at any action we might take against iran as a precursor to future action we may take against them. i do not see the president gaining from this. i see that he loses. i don't see how he gets reelected. i do not see how he achieves anything in the gulf that is positive for the united states and the american people. >> tucker: in the foreign policy establishment there is a large group of people who are intent on a war with iran. >> in the case of

general mckenzie who spoke not long ago in front of the foundation for the defense of democracy as he described himself as a man with a bias reaction. i would much rather have a four star with a bias for thinking pretty to be very concerned about the second secondary effects of anything we do in the gulf. they are not idle. if we get into a killing spree with the iranians, they will come in. and we will find ourselves without a back door to get out easily. the chinese will also shape what they can. and by the way, the turks, who have no love for the iranians may view this as something positive that they should participate in. this is not a good thing for the united states. >> tucker: the people agitating for it right now, msnbc, cnn, max booth, the usual suspects. none of whom have the country's interest at heart. it is chilling. colonel, thank you very much. great to see you. the left used to care about the

poor, now thanks to toxic rhetoric on privilege, they only care about the poor if they have the right skin color. there are signs to prove that after the break. ♪

>> tucker: from the first roosevelt administration during the depression and half a century later, democrats were the party of the poor and the working class. that's completely changed. instead of caring about class, the chief concern is skin color. some are good, some are bad. a new study in the journal of experimental psychology, liberals feel less sympathy for poor white people. they're more to blame the poor for their problems. probably not an accident. you know what the result of this kind of thinking has been. a huge chunk of middle america

dying. j.d. vance is author of "hillbilly elology." thanks for coming on, j.d. >> thank you. >> tucker: i've heard you say before, the saddest change of the democratic party is the abandonment of class policy for identity politics. >> that's right. you look at the study you cited. one of the crazy things, talking about white privilege does not increase sympathy for poor black people. it does it for white people. it has a divisive effect on politics. it destroys the national solidarity you need to solve the bigger problems and doesn't help the people it purporting to help. it's like pure division, no solution and everybody loses. >> tucker: i would argonaut everybody loses. it lets off the hook a ruined

class. they failed fellow americans. they're in charge but they don't have to feel guilty about it. the middle class deserves it. >> i find it healthy to think about the real problems and who might benefit from a solution, a very real problem right now, if you're a black business owner, it's hard to get access to capital. whose fault is that? notice the distraction, this white privilege discourse infects in politics. puts the focus on people that are suffering from a simpler problem and at the end of the day, nobody benefits. the people that benefit are the people at the top of the system. if you want to help the broad middle, you don't talk like that. you solve the problems of everyone. >> tucker: and hides all kind of bad effects that their policies

have brought to our middle and working classes. so if you're working class black person, immigration doesn't help you in any sense. it helps rich people, a ruling class makes a conversation about race. so you have to be in favor of this because there's solidarity, which is false. >> one of the consistent findings, the biggest problem with low wage, low skill immigration, it has a competitive effect for black americans on the lower end of the income scale. that's the group of people that low wage, low scale immigration is worse for. it's good for people employing the low skill workers so if you distract from the people benefitting from the problem and put the onus on people also suffering from low-wage low skill competition, you manage to build up the elites and you don't solve any of the real problems. >> tucker: but you insulate the people telling the lies from the blame. which is why they're so wedded

to their stupid identity politics because it shields them from any kind of real scrutiny. do you see anybody on the democratic side that is breaking free of this? >> unfortunately i don't. i think joe biden is not occupied with identity politics like kamala harris or elizabeth warren might be. so no, unfortunately i don't. the person that is probably least interested in identity politics is biden. maybe it's bernie sanders. at the end of the day, there's this weird way in which the left wing commentary and on twitter that is obsessed with identity politics has forced the democratic political elite to divorce itself from who their voters are. if you're a middle class black democrat from charleston, south carolina, you do not care about shouting white privilege at everybody. the polls show that. polls show that middle class black voters are less radical on racial issues than the elites of democratic party. >> tucker: less radical on every

issue. the most conservative sector is black voters, period. >> the most port sector of the democratic vote. and the democratic elites have allowed them to get divorced from that base in the same way as their own base. the question is can you build a coalition of the broad middle. my own i have is to make that works, tucker, you need what i'd call class traders. you need people from democratic elite or republican elite to say enough of this. we're not going to talk about these issues in the way the elites do. >> tucker: those people are always welcome on this show. always. you're first on that list. j.d. vance, thank you. >> thanks. >> tucker: we'll be back tomorrow. out of time. you can count on 8:00 p.m. wednesday night. the show that is the sworn enemy

of smugness and group think: good news for you. standing by in new york city to take over the 9:00 p.m. hour, not for one night only, sean hanni hannity, ladies and gentlemen. >> sean: it's a hannity invasion. welcome to "hannity." busy news night. we're tracking multiple breaking major news stories as we begin. tonight, the deep state is in even more deep trouble. no pun intended. u.s. attorney gen durham has been appointed to investigate the origins of the russia probe. this is huge news. this is the boomerang we've been telling you about. a massive step forward. durham is a nonpartisan career u.s. attorney. he specializes in uncovering